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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 14:26:52 GMT -5
Tween is not an insult but a statement of age. The idea that you have no obligation to anyone other than your own selfish interests is an attitude often associated with the young and self absorbed. My age and occupation were only mentioned as I believe it colors my ethical views. Believe me I don't particularly care for or about you either nor your opinion of me. What I do care about is that you are contributing to an ongoing problem which is vastly upsetting not only myself but many others. You have every right to be a d*ck and continue that practice until it is stopped. I and the others also have every right to speak out and call attention to it and demand it be stopped by the game's developers. Tween is directly associated with a specific behavior which you think I am exhibiting; this is offensive to me but I believe I don't need to lower my standards to reply in a manner most fitting for this kind of insult. As far as calling me a d**** is concerned, I would never call someone a d*** over something I don't agree with. That is where real ethics and morality come into picture which most people I think lack. Again I am not stepping on your right to express your views. Heck I am not even blaming the game developers now; those poor souls only do what they are told to do. To clarify I meant person in their late teens or early twentys. As to the self absorbed part, well you stated you have no obligation to anyone other than your own selfish interests; your words not mine. Secondly I did not call you a d*ck, I said you had the right to be one. As I mentioned I and the others will continue to call attention to those tanking games and calling for punitive action. If this offends or annoys you I really don't care.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 14:29:45 GMT -5
My entire argument is that Pixonic is at fault and should be "called out" instead of players. Pixonic introduced the new MM to make money by encouraging player progression, but that same MM rewards players for ejecting or not contributing at all.
You can hypothesize that the majority of players dislike tanking. That may even be true on this forum. But you don't know how ALL players feel on this issue and there is literally know way for you to obtain an answer.
I assert that the general playerbase has no problem with tanking, because so many of them are actively doing it. The general attitude towards tanking in this forum is the exception, not the rule.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 14:38:58 GMT -5
Guys, you are on your 6th or 7th dead horse...I am tired of watching you kick .
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 14:46:52 GMT -5
My entire argument is that Pixonic is at fault and should be "called out" instead of players. Pixonic introduced the new MM to make money by encouraging player progression, but that same MM rewards players for ejecting or not contributing at all. You can hypothesize that the majority of players dislike tanking. That may even be true on this forum. But you don't know how ALL players feel on this issue and there is literally know way for you to obtain an answer. I assert that the general playerbase has no problem with tanking, because so many of them are actively doing it. The general attitude towards tanking in this forum is the exception, not the rule. If you and 5 others all decide to squad and tank together it doesn't bother me that much. The manipulation of your elo score is something for the developers to be concerned about not me. What bothers most of us on this forum is that people tanking negatively impacts the people on the squad actually trying to win. I like many others have been matched up against ridiculously high level opponents and lost many games where my machines were out classed. Losing matches we could have actually had a chance in if we had a fully contributing team but instead had people tanking is upsetting. Pixonic claims it will balance the MM. This may or may not be true. The tanking players on the other hand are claiming they will continue this behavior until stopped. Hence the effort to call attention to them and have them stopped.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 15:01:23 GMT -5
My entire argument is that Pixonic is at fault and should be "called out" instead of players. Pixonic introduced the new MM to make money by encouraging player progression, but that same MM rewards players for ejecting or not contributing at all. You can hypothesize that the majority of players dislike tanking. That may even be true on this forum. But you don't know how ALL players feel on this issue and there is literally know way for you to obtain an answer. I assert that the general playerbase has no problem with tanking, because so many of them are actively doing it. The general attitude towards tanking in this forum is the exception, not the rule. If you and 5 others all decide to squad and tank together it doesn't bother me that much. The manipulation of your elo score is something for the developers to be concerned about not me. What bothers most of us on this forum is that people tanking negatively impacts the people on the squad actually trying to win. I like many others have been matched up against ridiculously high level opponents and lost many games where my machines were out classed. Losing matches we could have actually had a chance in if we had a fully contributing team but instead had people tanking is upsetting. Pixonic claims it will balance the MM. This may or may not be true. The tanking players on the other hand are claiming they will continue this behavior until stopped. Hence the effort to call attention to them and have them stopped. It's just more crying from the same people who brought you the term "seal clubbers". "Calling out tankers" is trying to shame players into changing their behavior which will never work. This whole thread is misdirected. Y'all should be mad at Pixonic. Not the players. I'm just defending the choice of tankers to play the game the way they enjoy playing it. You are also assuming that I tank matches. I don't, I have the most fun running a hangar of all beacon cappers with the new MM in place, and I try to win every match. You should try tanking, you would probably enjoy it more than slogging through hopeless matches.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 4, 2017 15:09:42 GMT -5
blastronaut: Wow, you really are stuck on blaming the tool and the tool makers, aren't you? I fail to see how anybody can enjoy staring at their screen for 1.5 minutes watching their team lose because of said watcher's lack of action, much less repeating doing so for the dozens of matches over the course of hours that it takes to "tank" your performance rating. I do see, however, the appeal of roflstomping your enemies as you 'club' your way back to your proper performance rating. It's just not for me, and what I consider a malicious act for which there is no excuse and no redeemable qualities.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 15:14:18 GMT -5
blastronaut : Wow, you really are stuck on blaming the tool and the tool makers, aren't you? I fail to see how anybody can enjoy staring at their screen for 1.5 minutes watching their team lose because of said watcher's lack of action, much less repeating doing so for the dozens of matches over the course of hours that it takes to "tank" your performance rating. I do see, however, the appeal of roflstomping your enemies as you 'club' your way back to your proper performance rating. It's just not for me, and what I consider a malicious act for which there is no excuse and no redeemable qualities. Tool vs Toolmakers is not a great analogy to be honest. Pixonic can literally change the "tool" at any time to achieve their desired outcome.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 4, 2017 15:16:59 GMT -5
Tool vs Toolmakers is not a great analogy to be honest. Pixonic can literally change the "tool" at any time to achieve their desired outcome. I said "and" not "versus." Please don't make me quote myself. They have succeeded in ending the old ways of clubbing, but now Pixonic is facing a new technical issue with smurfing exploits, and we are all waiting for them to create new ethical standards (literally writing new programmatic codes into the game) that line up with the moral judgement of the community.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Feb 4, 2017 15:39:04 GMT -5
Both the players exploiting a loophole and the company that allowed the exploit are at fault. The players are the ones that are here.
I've already contacted Pixonic on this, and my critically worded review of this game in the Play Store still stands at 2 stars.
But when someone skirts a badly written rule to do something most players think should have been illegal, I think the bulk of the blame goes to the player. The spirit of the rule is typically pretty obvious.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 16:08:50 GMT -5
Okay so about tanking; if I constantly face 12/12 hangers every once in a while then everyone and their daddys and pixonic devs and accountants and managers be damn sure that I am going to tank my win and kill rate to a point that I face fair competition. I was never a seal clubber and I never tried to game the system but if my 2 Lances are going to look like pieces of garbage in most of my matches then you be damn sure that I am going to tank my win rate. And you know what, I am actually doing a favor to everyone by tanking; they will lose much quickly and their time will be saved. When I see random player names getting Lances and Furies and some 3000 gold and all I am getting every single time is junk in a stupid lottery then I will do everything to game the system. If you are on android playing in lower gold then I might have made possible so many wins for you in the past but if my skills are going to be worth s.h.i.t in this new elo mm system then I will be damned if not gaming the system to my advantage. Oh and someone mentioned player 'code'; what the hell dude there is no code there is either win or lose;there is either satisfaction or humiliation. You may have been farmed in your growing days but its your fault that you kept playing instead of quitting from those games. This was stated perfectly and I couldn't agree more. However don't expect to convince any of these wikitrolls who can't think critically, and can only repeat the phrase "clubbing is bad". They think "everyone" agrees with them because they all shout the same thing back and forth on this forum. Everyone who tanks is actually doing the game a service by pressuring Pixonic to fix the MM more quickly. Even though Pix won't because they don't care about fairness anymore just money. Obvious cash grab is obvious. Hey, buddy, I'm still waiting for a reply to those other two posts of mine, so instead of agreeing with someone else and insulting me, go attempt an answer. Also, it would prolly be best if you stopped with all the assumptions. Seriously, 99% of your arguments are pure assumptions. Stop it, get some help
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 16:13:16 GMT -5
Why are you accusing me of clubbing? I was fighting op hangers b4 mm changed and I still am. I don't win every game down here either since alot of gold league players for some reason are down here to. I fail to see your reasoning? Would you prefer me to play 60 plus games to get down here? I was at 98% b4 mm change. Think the real question should be do I wanna rip the band aid off fast or slow. I see you prefer slow. Idc what my % win rate or damage is never have. I simply play for fun. It seems you don't since you take it too serious. Have fun pulling your band aid slowly. School is my top priority right now, and I am in no way 'serious' about this game, and I never had a band aid in the first place. why I am accusing you of clubbing is that you 1. Own 5 geps and 2. Had a 98% percent win rate (some OP hangars you must have been fighting, huh?) I kinda got lost after the whole band aid metaphor and whatnot, you Aren't very easy to understand. But I think you said something about playing with gold tier players? After amassing enough AU for five Gepards (and 15 aphids), you could easily be in gold tier if you weren't focused on clubbing Here, I'll quote them for you
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 16:16:21 GMT -5
Yeah well I don't need to touch fire to know it's hot either. If you can't see this is a money grab by pix by now I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you. I did look at the pixonic FB didn't see anything about penalties. I did see a video made for them about how they are going to cater to whales and their strategies on how they will work over players to get more money from them. Honestly some of you guys seem so brainwashed. Lol join the pixonic you will be assimilated Into the TT collective. I love playing the small botz, I love playing competitive. Sorry u don't feel that way or you wouldn't want lvl 3 gepards with lvl 9 weapons playing with your 12/12 What happened, my argument directed at you was to hard to make a come back, so you went to one I said to someone else? and I never said it wasn't a ploy to gain money. Everything the devs do with War Robots is to gain money. Are they not aloud to profit? Do you think the magic game development fairies pay them for making the game? I very rarely spend money on the game, and am no where near a TT hangar. Speaking of whales, are you saying you earnt 17, 250 gold to buy 5 geps+15 aphids without spending money? and I don't get how the MM was a money grab. All it has done is given (from my personal experience, and quite a few others) better, more challenging, match ups. Though any match where you can't just charge into enemies and hold the red button and win isn't fair by your standards, huh? funny how the people who spend the money for 5 geps and don't win complain about how the new MM is P2W. I mean, if it was, your gep hangars would be fine
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 16:17:42 GMT -5
Did Pixonic take the moral high ground when they nerfed items players paid actual money for? So, balancing the game out so it's fair for everyone is wrong? Not every item will be in the Meta all the time, nerfs and buffs come and go. Why play the game if you've just bought a lance and it's the best bot in the game forever? What's the point in saving gold when you wreck everyone with the stuff you have? Just because your 5 gep hangar got a nerd, doesn't mean they aren't usable anymore, it just means they aren't OP and un-beatable anymore By stating that something which is not illegal to be "deplorable and wrong" you are only projecting your beliefs onto others. Some religions think that drinking alcohol is deplorable and wrong, but murdering your child because she "brought shame to the family" is perfectly acceptable. But, isn't saying "tanking is fine because the system allows it(for now)" the same thing? And you can't live in someone else's house and make the rules. Regardless of what a religion says, if pix says they are penalizing players because its tanking is wrong, it's wrong. If they think clubbing is wrong and they don't want it on there game, it's as good as gone. Just because a religion says one thing, doesn't mean it over-rules the law. I don't have any issue with War Robots players using methods that are allowed by the game to find matches they enjoy. You shouldn't either. what was that? Just because you think something, it means I have to aswell? Hasn't this been the base of 90% percent of your agrument? No one cares that you don't have an issue with it. I don't have an issue with necrophilia, ?grape?, murder etc. so that means that they are fine, right? I'm literally just repeating myself. Oh crap, there were three ._.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 16:22:20 GMT -5
If you and 5 others all decide to squad and tank together it doesn't bother me that much. The manipulation of your elo score is something for the developers to be concerned about not me. What bothers most of us on this forum is that people tanking negatively impacts the people on the squad actually trying to win. I like many others have been matched up against ridiculously high level opponents and lost many games where my machines were out classed. Losing matches we could have actually had a chance in if we had a fully contributing team but instead had people tanking is upsetting. Pixonic claims it will balance the MM. This may or may not be true. The tanking players on the other hand are claiming they will continue this behavior until stopped. Hence the effort to call attention to them and have them stopped. It's just more crying from the same people who brought you the term "seal clubbers". "Calling out tankers" is trying to shame players into changing their behavior which will never work. This whole thread is misdirected. Y'all should be mad at Pixonic. Not the players. I'm just defending the choice of tankers to play the game the way they enjoy playing it. You are also assuming that I tank matches. I don't, I have the most fun running a hangar of all beacon cappers with the new MM in place, and I try to win every match. You should try tanking, you would probably enjoy it more than slogging through hopeless matches. Wait wait wait, hold that right there! So your saying, you'd love trying to win in your cappers when 5 of your teammates left the mstch? Every match? So you could never win or progress?and be stuck in a humiliating ground-hog-day situation? Are you ?firetruck?ing serious? and something is fishy here... You say you are just defending players writes, but you are literally advertising it XP that's just sad, ur like a War Robots drug dealer. But seriously, who says they like to try and win every match (P.S when he says beacon cappers, it's his former gep clubbing hangar, and all it is good for now is chipping away at heavies with aphids and capping) and then tells someone to try tanking. I think I smell a liar
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 4, 2017 17:23:24 GMT -5
Busted. I hope this is a sign that Pixo is working on de-incentivizing quitters and smurfs. Last place on the losing team, no rewards. [Edit]The irony of the clan name is killing me...[/]
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 17:24:33 GMT -5
But when someone skirts a badly written rule to do something most players think should have been illegal,... Stop projecting your bias onto others. You have no clue what "most" think.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 17:30:13 GMT -5
It's just more crying from the same people who brought you the term "seal clubbers". "Calling out tankers" is trying to shame players into changing their behavior which will never work. This whole thread is misdirected. Y'all should be mad at Pixonic. Not the players. I'm just defending the choice of tankers to play the game the way they enjoy playing it. You are also assuming that I tank matches. I don't, I have the most fun running a hangar of all beacon cappers with the new MM in place, and I try to win every match. You should try tanking, you would probably enjoy it more than slogging through hopeless matches. Wait wait wait, hold that right there! So your saying, you'd love trying to win in your cappers when 5 of your teammates left the mstch? Every match? So you could never win or progress?and be stuck in a humiliating ground-hog-day situation? Are you ?firetruck?ing serious? and something is fishy here... You say you are just defending players writes, but you are literally advertising it XP that's just sad, ur like a War Robots drug dealer. But seriously, who says they like to try and win every match (P.S when he says beacon cappers, it's his former gep clubbing hangar, and all it is good for now is chipping away at heavies with aphids and capping) and then tells someone to try tanking. I think I smell a liar That's a fun and ultra realistic situation you described that I have never seen once after playing thousands of matches. I never had a gep clubbing hangar so.... nice assumption.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 17:38:53 GMT -5
Wait wait wait, hold that right there! So your saying, you'd love trying to win in your cappers when 5 of your teammates left the mstch? Every match? So you could never win or progress?and be stuck in a humiliating ground-hog-day situation? Are you ?firetruck?ing serious? and something is fishy here... You say you are just defending players writes, but you are literally advertising it XP that's just sad, ur like a War Robots drug dealer. But seriously, who says they like to try and win every match (P.S when he says beacon cappers, it's his former gep clubbing hangar, and all it is good for now is chipping away at heavies with aphids and capping) and then tells someone to try tanking. I think I smell a liar That's a fun and ultra realistic situation you described that I have never seen once after playing thousands of matches. I never had a gep clubbing hangar so.... nice assumption. So the 5 geps and 15 aphids you own are just for show? And you, again, have only replied to half the post. and yet again, you misunderstand the point of my post you actually answered. I never said that could happen, or would happen, I was asking if you would like that to happen, because you support it. and, since the "majority" of the player base tanks (another one of your many assumptions) doesn't that mean that us very, very few people who don't tank have a high chance of being on an all tanker team?
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 4, 2017 17:44:37 GMT -5
But when someone skirts a badly written rule to do something most players think should have been illegal,... Stop projecting your bias onto others. You have no clue what "most" think. ....have you read any of your own posts?....heck, the hypocrisy is killing me, can someone tell me how to quote multiple posts and highlight words? Because you've said the exact same thing a few times, and I'd like to point that out to you, because it seems you haven't noticed
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 17:46:48 GMT -5
My view on tanking.... (any Meatloaf fans should find this amusing)
I'll cap a beacon, I'll fight close in.
I'll rush the point where the reds spawn in.
I will do anything to win, but I won't do that.
Ooh no I won't do that.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 17:51:56 GMT -5
Always check the last two places ... a 5 bot hanger of 9/11's playing only 1 bot and only getting 100 k in damage or less is always suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 18:07:08 GMT -5
In 13 hours since I last posted in this thread ( a funny I hope, about something I noticed in a previous post and sidetracked with it), you all have generated over 3 more pages of this thread.
Debating your positions, expressing strong feelings, sometimes going past the boundaries of what would be considered civil commentary. Passion from both sides, sometimes not very convincing arguments from either.
Sit back, take a deep breath and think for a moment. What has been accomplished with this thread.
Some think tanking is bad and just plain wrong, some think it is ok, right and within the rules.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 4, 2017 19:09:06 GMT -5
Lol I am not saying its you but a 7 year old with pea-sized brain wouldn't understand it. Wait did I just did a personal attack, please mods tell me if I did and I will change the language to suit this forum's decorum but at the same time still insulting this kid. Hello, I would rather that you refrain from attempting to bypass the profanity filter. And I would also ask that you refrain from personally insulting people.
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Post by BooBooKitty on Feb 4, 2017 20:14:16 GMT -5
I am not looking to join in this argument, I just wanted to say that I have seen very few instances of actual purposeful tanking since the new MM, even less so in recent days as more and more players readapt their hangers. I think it's very possible many are overestimating the number of people intentionally trying to lower their league score vs. low stats being caused by disconnections, idlers, irl issues, phone calls, etc. One reason many of you may be seeing more of this is because the new MM is bumping up many casual players to your tier whom you would rarely be matched with previously. And the more casual players players probably don't think twice about quitting a battle halfway in or idling to go take care of something else and etc.
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Post by nocluevok on Feb 4, 2017 20:43:41 GMT -5
Busted. I hope this is a sign that Pixo is working on de-incentivizing quitters and smurfs. Last place on the losing team, no rewards. [Edit]The irony of the clan name is killing me...[/] Yep. Posted about this at the beginning of the lunar event. -- -- -- -- is an intentional tank 00 00 00 00 is a dropped connection
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 20:50:45 GMT -5
TankyMcTankAlots , thank god. For a minute there I thought you we serious. Good one !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:54:24 GMT -5
I just had a moment of clarity realising that I wasted ten minutes reading this...
If your intent is to not play the game, uninstall it.
If your intent is to win all of the time, play a single player game.
If your intent is to play "fair" matches:
There are two people standing behind a wooden fence,one tall, one short,both trying to see over it to watch a game. Both are standing on the ground, only the tall one can see. They are at equal standings, but ultimately the situation is inequitable.
The shorter person grabs a stool to stand on, so that they may see. They are no longer at equal standings, as one is using a tool, but the situation is equitable.
Which is fair?
Play the game, or dont play the game. No matter how it's sliced:
If you don't intend on contributing, for any reason, there are better options for you elsewhere.
If what you want isnt here, leave, permanently.
If what you want is here, SHUT UP, GIT GUD AND PLAY.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 4, 2017 22:11:10 GMT -5
Just wanna chip in that, two wrongs aren't supposed to make a right, however if you drive in New Jersey, three rights are almost always needed to make a left...
Badoom....psssshhhhhh!!
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 4, 2017 23:16:11 GMT -5
I am not looking to join in this argument, I just wanted to say that I have seen very few instances of actual purposeful tanking since the new MM, even less so in recent days as more and more players readapt their hangers. I think it's very possible many are overestimating the number of people intentionally trying to lower their league score vs. low stats being caused by disconnections, idlers, irl issues, phone calls, etc. One reason many of you may be seeing more of this is because the new MM is bumping up many casual players to your tier whom you would rarely be matched with previously. And the more casual players players probably don't think twice about quitting a battle halfway in or idling to go take care of something else and etc. This is good insight. I'm not saying this explains the whole story, but one thing I've come to appreciate about this poster is that he presents a different side of the argument that is worth considering. As a data guy, I appreciate alternative conclusions.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 5, 2017 1:06:38 GMT -5
So I read some more replies and it seems that most people here are too rigid in their play style.
I too don't like sooo many things that people do that negatively impacts my gameplay like:
1) People intentionally blocking my way to cap beacons. 2) Bots pushing me for some reason that I am not aware of and I am not even a spawn camper. 3) People forgetting to cap beacons to get the glory of fighting. 4) People quitting or sitting to tank the scores. 5) Entire clans joining with a cossack and quitting. 6) Those frequent Stalkers out-running you to cap a beacon which you are about to reach by travelling long distances. 7) People leaving a battle if the opposition is too stiff...like one time there was an Iron Smiles clan in the reds and three guys bailed out mid game. 8) Those potatoes who won't leave the cozy spawn area.
You want to know what I do? I move on. I don't 「female dog」 about those players. I have had too many glorious victories to think about these nuisances. If someone quits then great I play the rest of the game and kick a**.
Now coming back to tanking: I listed out specific reasons due to which I tank upto a certain point. No tactics work when your bots are outclassed. When a 12/12 Rogatka kills my average Lance in one salvo thats when I decide to tank. When a Zeus Carnage burns half health of my Griffin in 10 secs thats when I decide to tank.
I also don't just quit, I throw in my bots without any tactics and then quit because that is much more fun then just sitting idle. And that is a good learning experience when you disrupt the enemy lines with aggressive maneuvers.
Most of you are dead set in looking at one side of the picture. It is not good to have a skewed mentality because the other side may have valid reasons to do it. You talk about losses and blame it on quitting players but in reality you could have tried harder to win.
Sorry for the long post folks and thanks for reading this.
To The Mod who called me out: My apologies for bypassing the profanity filter. Now I would like to direct your attention to people who replied to me using the f*** word and a gentleman who referred to me as a d***.
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