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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 24, 2017 4:16:14 GMT -5
Ok, first of all, I'm going to repeat something I've said on the rant board: Seeing all the "I've so carefully built (more like, bought) a 5 gep hangar to slaughter newbies and now I'm getting slaughtered" cries here and in other venues is such a balm for my player's soul
Second of all: for those "You changed the rules, I want my money back": you spent your money fully knowing anything in the came could and would and will be changed. Also, did those people who bought aphids back then when they were silver weapons had to pay when they were turned gold? Those who bought any of the Bunch bots paid more when they were buffed? So, please, stop.
Third of all: you of the "The new MM benefits only the paying people": a) they paying people are complaining so, there must be something wrong and b) paying people essentially pay for time, nothing else. There is nothing that a free player can't get that a gold player cn. Slog it off long enough and you will end up in exactly the same position. Nothing stops you form earning a minimum of 1800 to 2400 gold a month by completing the daily missions, plus another 270 a month if you squad with your clan. Plus the gold that you will undoubtly keep winning, even if possibly at a slower rate than when you could club the newbies all day long. Plus that that you will get from the ever more common contests (Lunar new year? seriously?). Get a grip.
With that said:
Relax.
A) The MM is self adjusting and, in fact, it is already adjusting. I've moved from losing 10 games in a row to being back to about the same win % as before (mid gold hangar). The same is reported from most of the people in the forum that have had the patience of actually completing games, even if evidently on the losing side, rather than rage quitting because their clubbing hangar is being wasted by players of the same level playing with their everyday, heavier, hangar.
B) Yeah, your gepard hangars will probably be slightly less effective. Why? Because if it's true that there is an ELO rating and that the MM is skewed on that, all those 90% win rates will probably all go down to about 60% at first and then they will pobably develop the same ranking (as they have the same playing behaviour) end up matched against each other. What we will probably see is games with full swarms of gepards rather than the single gepard hangar massacring everyone else. That, it seems to me, is already happening: I've been back to bronze (well, what used to be bronze... nyway, with lighter bots which I suppose played on the hangar weight part of the equation) as I got one of those beacon missions and what I saw is that, if before the change I got the lonely seal clubbr every 5 games, this time I got 4 games out of 10 where there were 3 or 4 gepard hangars in play. It was actually kind of fun to see them circling each other while I was jumping around with my cossack.
C) You want to have fun? Then squad. I've been in two games with squads made of only gepards (from clan currently number 22 and 30something). They basically played raptor pack tactics and they were devastating, including taking down trident and zeus furies (when three ghepards run at you, one might fall, but the ther two will reach the target). Yes, that means you will not be the one getting 10 gold 95% of the times in less than 5 minutes as you will have to share with your teammates... and you know what? Tough. Lonely clubbers are (maybe, I hope, but I don't fully believe it unfortunately) a thing of the past, but raptor packs are probably seeing their new dawn in silver and gold (assuming those tiers and the classification they come from will have any meaning a month from now).
D) In any case, there's no need to panic, I'm sure you will find a new way of hijacking the MM to your best advantage in no time. In the meanwhile, try to look less girlish and whiney.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 24, 2017 4:46:07 GMT -5
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Tarastir
Destrier
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Post by Tarastir on Jan 24, 2017 5:01:22 GMT -5
You play on Android? I thought that the MM is on iOS only.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 24, 2017 5:08:37 GMT -5
war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/1700/new-mm-on-iosit seems on android it was rolled out at different times for different people. I suspect, it depends on which server your client connects to (Europe-USA-Asia, maybe? Not sure how servers are distributed worldwide). For me (Europe), I noticed the difference 36-48 hours ago and I saw my European clanmates wondering what the hell was going on while the Americans one going "what are you talking about?".. then I went to battle and I was steamrolled.
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Post by [AURA] Pîśtäçhįø on Jan 24, 2017 5:59:04 GMT -5
Not sure about the MM, might be on ios my boa thunder punisher griffin mag punisher and gepard pinata puts me bronze still ( med to high etc )
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Post by milestones on Jan 24, 2017 6:18:42 GMT -5
Personally I really like the new MM system I used to be pair with teams that only have 3hangar slots and/or AFK campers which caused me to lose at least 60% of the time. But now I'm seeing far less awful players. In fact my win rate has gone ip from 56% to 72%
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 24, 2017 6:52:42 GMT -5
Android got the new MM yesterday it seems. I admit that the developers messed one thing up, badly: It appears that everybody starts with the same Elo score. It would have made a lot of sense to give an initial Elo score based on hangar strength and win rate. Getting clobbered by 10/11 heavies with a 4/7 medium hangar isn't fun, even if we know it won't last. My win rate went down from 80-ish% to about 50% - which means I must have had a win rate of 20% if I ran 25-30 battles... Let's see how this balances out in time. I used to switch robots between low silver/high bronze to high silver depending on who I would squad with in my clan, and I'm afraid that a player that usually runs a high silver or gold hangar will have a high Elo and draw good opponents even if he switches to a lower hangar. Yesterday we got matched up against 10/12 heavies with our low silver hangars - funny thing, I think all of us reported that the opponents were much fairer if they played solo. I guess it would make sense to introduce an "official" hangar score and combine it with a (visible) player rating. A sensible hangar score would be a level-dependant score that depends on the robot class, something like this: Hangar score for a single robot is a combined score for robot class and level, plus weapon slots, plus ability - 100 points for light, 140 for medium and 180 for large robots, and 6% extra for each level, corresponding to the 6% HP increase. (Do a speed bonus to finetune the system.)
- 20%-50% extra for each robot ability - Galahad is certainly better than Vityaz+20%, not all abilities should give the same bonus.
- 30 points for each small , 45 for each medium and 60 for each large weapon, 10% extra for each level
Then the Hangar score is simply the sum of the scores of all robots. The hangar score is then multiplied by the Elo score to give the player score. This allows to freely switch hangars, and even a gold player could go down to 3/7 Taran Cossacks, Thunder Schützes and Magnum Destriers and have fun.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 25, 2017 2:57:01 GMT -5
Then the Hangar score is simply the sum of the scores of all robots. The hangar score is then multiplied by the Elo score to give the player score. This allows to freely switch hangars, and even a gold player could go down to 3/7 Taran Cossacks, Thunder Schützes and Magnum Destriers and have fun. I'd agree on something like that. A public player score would be nice, would add transparency and would indeed allow players to fiddle around with hangars and have an idea if it's something even vaguely viable or not. Or, at least, it would be nice to have a public ELO score... bragging (or self-pity) aside, one would have an idea of where he stands. Alas, I don't think either will ever be implemented.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Jan 25, 2017 8:26:41 GMT -5
I guess it would make sense to introduce an "official" hangar score and combine it with a (visible) player rating. A sensible hangar score would be a level-dependant score that depends on the robot class, something like this: Hangar score for a single robot is a combined score for robot class and level, plus weapon slots, plus ability Adding to this, Pixonic should apply a constantly updating global "Elo-like" rating for every bot and every weapon, using data from all matches, multiplied (or otherwise modified) by each player's "Elo-like" rating. This would keep balanced gameplay even as players adapt to the meta and/or as nerfs and buffs are introduced for other reasons.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 25, 2017 8:46:32 GMT -5
Personally I really like the new MM system I used to be pair with teams that only have 3hangar slots and/or AFK campers which caused me to lose at least 60% of the time. But now I'm seeing far less awful players. In fact my win rate has gone ip from 56% to 72% My hope is the new mm has more to do with skill, at least for me ive been facing less idiotic zenit noricom natashas. it has helped me, instead of hurt.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 25, 2017 8:56:51 GMT -5
Personally I really like the new MM system I used to be pair with teams that only have 3hangar slots and/or AFK campers which caused me to lose at least 60% of the time. But now I'm seeing far less awful players. In fact my win rate has gone ip from 56% to 72% My hope is the new mm has more to do with skill, at least for me ive been facing less idiotic zenit noricom natashas. it has helped me, instead of hurt. You Know what? Now that you made me think about it, you are right. I haven't seen a single Zenit or Noricum in two days. NOT ONE! Thanks Pix!!!
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Post by SATmaster728 on Jan 25, 2017 11:11:30 GMT -5
You Know what? Now that you made me think about it, you are right. I haven't seen a single Zenit or Noricum in two days. NOT ONE! Thanks Pix!!! I think the old mm's issue has not putting enough emphasis on win rate. people with Zenit norticm setups (or any setup that doesn't work well) will find themselves lower regardless of weapon level. I hope this separates the good players from the idiots.
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 25, 2017 12:56:50 GMT -5
Your right I should relax. I mean the new MM obviously has its stuff together. Just to be clear I bought 4 drexlers (think that's what the piece of junk you start with is called) didn't touch them, just filled my hanger the way they came. If you will notice there is a stalker and a 4x pinta Patton standing in frame the guy just around the corner to the right moved but he was in a Griffin. Yup seems like a fair fight to me.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 25, 2017 13:04:28 GMT -5
Your right I should relax. I mean the new MM obviously has its stuff together. Just to be clear I bought 4 drexlers (think that's what the piece of junk you start with is called) didn't touch them, just filled my hanger the way they came. If you will notice there is a stalker and a 4x pinta Patton standing in frame the guy just around the corner to the right moved but he was in a Griffin. Yup seems like a fair fight to me. I'm sorry but I have to call bull「dookie」 on your statement. We've been telling people for days now that rapid hanger changes have little to no impact on what opponents you face, especially within just a few matches. You caused your own issue there, and sadly I think you are well aware of it and just creating red herrings in a sad attempt at trolling. Next.
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Post by amoebastudios on Jan 25, 2017 14:00:33 GMT -5
Relax, it's been a week and MM is still the same punishing you for winning games is fine. Just fine.
Relax, having your 8/8 setup going up against 11/12s and clans when your win rate is 48% is fine. Just fine.
Relax, you'll win some games once in a while. Even though the bigger bots on your side gets all the gold when you win it's fine. Just fine.
Relax, playing one and half hours to earn 6 gold is fine. Just fine.
It's fine. Everything is fine.
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FunkenA
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 25, 2017 14:04:56 GMT -5
If they implement a transparent league system where farming to a lesser extent can still happen, then I'm happy
but without farming I will be playing about 50 games less a day and eventually none. I get all my joy from gold rewards. If I'm on a team and we win but I get no gold.. I feel like I lost.. Only time I feel ok about no gold win is when squadding with clan mates
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 25, 2017 14:15:52 GMT -5
Your right I should relax. I mean the new MM obviously has its stuff together. Just to be clear I bought 4 drexlers (think that's what the piece of junk you start with is called) didn't touch them, just filled my hanger the way they came. If you will notice there is a stalker and a 4x pinta Patton standing in frame the guy just around the corner to the right moved but he was in a Griffin. Yup seems like a fair fight to me. You clearly don't understand how the new MM works and if you still don't after the deluge of posts about it... well...
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 25, 2017 14:19:22 GMT -5
If they implement a transparent league system where farming to a lesser extent can still happen, then I'm happy but without farming I will be playing about 50 games less a day and eventually none. I get all my joy from gold rewards. If I'm on a team and we win but I get no gold.. I feel like I lost.. Only time I feel ok about no gold win is when squadding with clan mates You will be playing 50 games less a day. 50 less. A day. With an average of, say, 5 minutes a game, you are planning to play 4 hours, 10 minutes less per day out of... exactly how many hours do you play this game? There are specialist for helping ludopathic people, you know? Perhaps Pixonic actually did you a favor, there's a world out...
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 25, 2017 14:20:08 GMT -5
You Know what? Now that you made me think about it, you are right. I haven't seen a single Zenit or Noricum in two days. NOT ONE! Thanks Pix!!! I've just been taking a few days off. I'm getting my arty nat and marshmallow Patton clan members ready to head back out to the battlefield! ANNOYANCE FROM ABOVE! We've been resting in anticipation of the buff and have now upgraded everything to lvl 2 so watch out! actually had an arty nat in a match this morning on Canyon as he just kept my TT fury in his sights for 5 minutes. Sure, he cut my health in half but I wiped out a lot of his teammates...and a hellfire rhino finally cut me down after I moved in to recap center beacon (I like capping beacons in my fury because no one expects it). But you are right, not many arty bots in my games anymore. I kinda miss them since they were such a liability for the red team.
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Post by amoebastudios on Jan 25, 2017 14:23:08 GMT -5
If they implement a transparent league system where farming to a lesser extent can still happen, then I'm happy but without farming I will be playing about 50 games less a day and eventually none. I get all my joy from gold rewards. If I'm on a team and we win but I get no gold.. I feel like I lost.. Only time I feel ok about no gold win is when squadding with clan mates I totally agree. Winning a game without getting gold is worse than losing a game. When you lose a game at least you drop down and possibly face easier opponents. When you win and don't get gold you simply fight harder battles with nothing to show for your efforts. Right now my games are like this: 50% of time are losses 40% of the time I win without earning anything 10% of the time I luck out and win 1-3 gold. That's 90% failure rate. Ouch.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 25, 2017 14:34:24 GMT -5
Wow, I'm getting so old and crotchety. Why, back in my day we compared the size of our e-peens by virtue of Kill/Death ratios, Maximum Damage, and Win Percentage. If I used the amount of premium currency awarded as the inflationary device for my e-peen, I'd need tweezers to find the poor thing, and I certainly wouldn't show it off to anybody else. Lucky for me I've found plenty of keepy-uppy for my e-peen by stroking my ego with delusions of usefulness, like earning the reputation for being one of the best beacon cappers in both of my clans, and always being invited to the clan parties in spite of being outclassed by the bigger boys in the clan. They like it when somebody can swing their e-peen around for the good of the team instead of just themselves.
Have I said e-peen often enough? Do you understand the passive-aggressiveness here? I thought you might, and you know who you are.
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Post by amoebastudios on Jan 25, 2017 14:52:43 GMT -5
I guess you're referring to me. Still not sure so you may have to say e-peen a few more times :)
I don't use gold as a measure of success. I'm trying to progress my hangar, nothing more nothing less. To that end I want my time spent to be productive.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 25, 2017 14:54:43 GMT -5
Well, the new match making system has finally arrived on android. Yesterday, we squadded. Five robot platoon. All high silver, maybe trash gold. Mostly, we were, yeah, ahem, well, ahh, outmatched. We scored good. We outplayed them.. We are a fine bunch of good players. To sum it up: We lost. Could happen. I think, the new MM needs data. Real data! We managed to win a game with at least two maxed hangars beeing our opponents!
When the newMM takes its place, Im ready! With skill, I developed. Here...
Sorry, I like it.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jan 25, 2017 15:17:47 GMT -5
Your right I should relax. I mean the new MM obviously has its stuff together. Just to be clear I bought 4 drexlers (think that's what the piece of junk you start with is called) didn't touch them, just filled my hanger the way they came. If you will notice there is a stalker and a 4x pinta Patton standing in frame the guy just around the corner to the right moved but he was in a Griffin. Yup seems like a fair fight to me. You and everyone else sees defeat in that picture...I see Blaze of Glory with Jon Bonjovi singing it total power ballad mode!!!
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 25, 2017 15:26:38 GMT -5
I guess you're referring to me. Still not sure so you may have to say e-peen a few more times I don't use gold as a measure of success. I'm trying to progress my hangar, nothing more nothing less. To that end I want my time spent to be productive. You earned silver, which is FAR more important than gold to progress your hangar.
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Post by blastronaut on Jan 25, 2017 15:34:47 GMT -5
If they implement a transparent league system where farming to a lesser extent can still happen, then I'm happy but without farming I will be playing about 50 games less a day and eventually none. I get all my joy from gold rewards. If I'm on a team and we win but I get no gold.. I feel like I lost.. Only time I feel ok about no gold win is when squadding with clan mates I totally agree. Winning a game without getting gold is worse than losing a game. When you lose a game at least you drop down and possibly face easier opponents. When you win and don't get gold you simply fight harder battles with nothing to show for your efforts. Right now my games are like this: 50% of time are losses 40% of the time I win without earning anything 10% of the time I luck out and win 1-3 gold. That's 90% failure rate. Ouch. That's funny because: 66% of matches i eject early 33% of matches i win 10 gold That's 100% success rate. Yay.
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
Aurora Clan Moderator
Posts: 729
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Platform: Android
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Favorite robot: Bishop from Aliens, although WALL-E is a close second
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 25, 2017 15:44:47 GMT -5
66% of matches i eject early 33% of matches i win 10 gold That's 100% success rate. Yay. Um... seeing that my job (the one I'm supposed to be doing right now) is catching math errors, I can't... resist... pointing out... That it's actually 99%. Sorry, I tried to stop myself. No, I really did.
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Post by amoebastudios on Jan 25, 2017 15:49:42 GMT -5
I guess you're referring to me. Still not sure so you may have to say e-peen a few more times :) I don't use gold as a measure of success. I'm trying to progress my hangar, nothing more nothing less. To that end I want my time spent to be productive. You earned silver, which is FAR more important than gold to progress your hangar. Hmmm. I think you're right I've been looking at this wrong. Thanks I feel much better now.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 25, 2017 15:52:59 GMT -5
66% of matches i eject early 33% of matches i win 10 gold That's 100% success rate. Yay. Um... seeing that my job (the one I'm supposed to be doing right now) is catching math errors, I can't... resist... pointing out... That it's actually 99%. Sorry, I tried to stop myself. No, I really did. No, it is an alternative fact. 66+33 =100....although in his alternative universe of only counting gold winning matches as success, I can see why he says 100%. Just like his IQ in his mind might be 175 based on putting the square block through the square hole once, but it could be In reality south of 50. You are clearly biased against blastronaut because he is a match premature ejector. He can't help that he has no staying power, and his willpower is as flaccid and limp as his math skills.
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
Aurora Clan Moderator
Posts: 729
Karma: 556
Platform: Android
Clan: leader of Aurora Nova [AurN]
League: Gold
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Bishop from Aliens, although WALL-E is a close second
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 25, 2017 16:11:34 GMT -5
Um... seeing that my job (the one I'm supposed to be doing right now) is catching math errors, I can't... resist... pointing out... That it's actually 99%. Sorry, I tried to stop myself. No, I really did. No, it is an alternative fact. 66+33 =100....although in his alternative universe of only counting gold winning matches as success, I can see why he says 100%. Just like his IQ in his mind might be 175 based on putting the square block through the square hole once, but it could be In reality south of 50. You are clearly biased against blastronaut because he is a match premature ejector. He can't help that he has no staying power, and his willpower is as flaccid and limp as his math skills. Sorry, but this is totally and outright incorrect. You have it completely backwards. Clearly, I am biased against blastronaut only because of his math skills. Also, please don't make fun of inability to sticking blocks through holes. My one-year-old is still trying to stick that triangle shape through the star hole, and part of me really wants to cheer on that effort, hoping that he will succeed. And whoa. Hey! I'm now a bot I actually play!
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