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Post by blastronaut on Jan 30, 2017 14:03:34 GMT -5
Seems like every time i log on the MM has moved and I spend a few battles either way too difficult or way too easy.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Jan 31, 2017 3:52:43 GMT -5
Actually, it looks like something changed yesterday around 18 UCT, at least for me. All of a sudden I went from balanced games to slaughter by maxed hangars and full clan squads. let see what today brings.
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Post by K A Z on Jan 31, 2017 4:15:04 GMT -5
Actually, it looks like something changed yesterday around 18 UCT, at least for me. All of a sudden I went from balanced games to slaughter by maxed hangars and full clan squads. let see what today brings. Same here - my (L3/9 & 4/7) Last Stand hangar against TT fury, Lance, Glahads, etc all L8/10-L9/11. A complete BS; I guess Pix has some lunar phase issue lol
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Post by K A Z on Jan 31, 2017 4:30:32 GMT -5
MM is self sadjusting always adjusting to endsure you get slaughtered by a higher lvl player ALWAYS.. Sigh. No, it's not. You can check my thread on a medium hangar and see for yourself. I started facing 12/12 heavies and by the 20th game the enemy was around my hangar strenght (slightly lower level heavies o slightly higher level mediums as top bot). Err...I guess the new MM is "a bit" on garbage side - as stated above, after few dozen games, it's getting just worse. I'm facing bots +1 or 2 in class (Light/medium vs mostly heavy and some mediums), +4..5 upgrade levels in mech and +2...3 in weapons. That's not a mathematical model behind MM adjusting - that is a complete coding fail. I went all the way up to 96% wins (still climbing up early into the new MM), all done without clubbing, but a mixed, balanced hangar. 80-90% of time I was on top of the list. Now the stats are plummeting, win rate at 60% and dropping. I hate to see some clumsy Griff, TT fury or Lance players (sometimes almost funny, crappy moves, no use of map features, sense of timing etc, getting beaten in a silly way eventually) win just because they paid for gold to upg and now seem to be favorably matched as described above (I'm not suggesting the gold-MM connection here though). In short - no skills, low dmg at the end but eventually win by combination of sheer hangar power and silly MM to put them against lower "tier" pilots. All in all I cannot exactly rain on ppl who drew back their payments; again when you pay for a car and all the sudden manufacturer comes to you and takes thewheels away from the car, I would say the reimbursement is justified even if you drove the car for some time. It's not whining, it's observation of a frustrating combination of facts.
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Post by anindyameister on Jan 31, 2017 14:35:35 GMT -5
It's been a week since I've been getting pulverized. I'm still facing 9/11 heavies with my 6/8 hanger. In most of my matches, Ancilots charge head on, while we get pounded by aphids and Tridents. It's not even funny anymore. More and more I'm believing the real motivation behind the new mm was cash grab.
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Post by anindyameister on Jan 31, 2017 14:37:17 GMT -5
And for someone like me who mostly plays random matches, everytime I log in, I invariable face 11/12 guys, and it takes 3-4 losses before I manage to get a win.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Jan 31, 2017 19:05:40 GMT -5
Sigh. No, it's not. You can check my thread on a medium hangar and see for yourself. I started facing 12/12 heavies and by the 20th game the enemy was around my hangar strenght (slightly lower level heavies o slightly higher level mediums as top bot). Err...I guess the new MM is "a bit" on garbage side - as stated above, after few dozen games, it's getting just worse. I'm facing bots +1 or 2 in class (Light/medium vs mostly heavy and some mediums), +4..5 upgrade levels in mech and +2...3 in weapons. That's not a mathematical model behind MM adjusting - that is a complete coding fail. I went all the way up to 96% wins (still climbing up early into the new MM), all done without clubbing, but a mixed, balanced hangar. 80-90% of time I was on top of the list. Now the stats are plummeting, win rate at 60% and dropping. I hate to see some clumsy Griff, TT fury or Lance players (sometimes almost funny, crappy moves, no use of map features, sense of timing etc, getting beaten in a silly way eventually) win just because they paid for gold to upg and now seem to be favorably matched as described above (I'm not suggesting the gold-MM connection here though). In short - no skills, low dmg at the end but eventually win by combination of sheer hangar power and silly MM to put them against lower "tier" pilots. All in all I cannot exactly rain on ppl who drew back their payments; again when you pay for a car and all the sudden manufacturer comes to you and takes thewheels away from the car, I would say the reimbursement is justified even if you drove the car for some time. It's not whining, it's observation of a frustrating combination of facts. I just say this. My cups ave right now are 973, I have over 3000 victories. My win rate went from 76% to 42%, ave dam 470-490 to 350-370. My 6/8.5 hanger is consistently against 10-12 bots with similar weps. I have been trying to play through but no change during many battles 75+. My battles 1/22 - 1/28, went from typical to AWESOME 27-28. Matches lasted longer and had better balance. I was planning to finish upgrade to level 9 weps then the bots. Now I think I will just upgrade bots to level 9. During this time I plan to leave the game, I have beed reduced to TARGET PRACTICE for the TT player that 2-shot my level 6 bots. I have 315 million silver, so I have some time. I dont know the time it takes to go from 6-9 on 7 bots, we'll see. Maybe I am biased, but I dont think level 6 bots should be on the battlefield with level 10-12 with similar weps. The imbalance is to severe.
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 1, 2017 1:01:00 GMT -5
Im still using lvl 3 and 4 gepards with lvl 9 and 10 weapons. Had to adjust playstyle to a more boring one but more viable. Skip battlefields you dont think are right for you. And if all else fails go in game take a couple shots then leave this will lower your wp and dam score. It sucks we have to play and think this way but when pix gives you lemons make lemonade. Its a shame they had to punish all gepard players when all they had to do is change gepards to silver
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Post by K A Z on Feb 1, 2017 3:53:32 GMT -5
Im still using lvl 3 and 4 gepards with lvl 9 and 10 weapons. Had to adjust playstyle to a more boring one but more viable. Skip battlefields you dont think are right for you. And if all else fails go in game take a couple shots then leave this will lower your wp and dam score. It sucks we have to play and think this way but when pix gives you lemons make lemonade. Its a shame they had to punish all gepard players when all they had to do is change gepards to silver I have a feeling that current MM actually promotes clubbing. I guess Aphid Geps (low bot / high weapon upg) could give you better results where L6 Medium are simply to slow and get easily busted by L8...9 heavy.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 1, 2017 7:40:06 GMT -5
Im still using lvl 3 and 4 gepards with lvl 9 and 10 weapons. Had to adjust playstyle to a more boring one but more viable. Skip battlefields you dont think are right for you. And if all else fails go in game take a couple shots then leave this will lower your wp and dam score. It sucks we have to play and think this way but when pix gives you lemons make lemonade. Its a shame they had to punish all gepard players when all they had to do is change gepards to silver I have a feeling that current MM actually promotes clubbing. I guess Aphid Geps (low bot / high weapon upg) could give you better results where L6 Medium are simply to slow and get easily busted by L8...9 heavy. On dead city, yes. On yamata....no.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 1, 2017 7:47:52 GMT -5
I have a feeling that current MM actually promotes clubbing. I guess Aphid Geps (low bot / high weapon upg) could give you better results where L6 Medium are simply to slow and get easily busted by L8...9 heavy. On dead city, yes. On yamata....no. Well, I don't skip matches - I play every map I'm landing on...problem persists on all maps except yama, even canyon / springfield give good chances to clubbers
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 1, 2017 8:37:40 GMT -5
Rejoice, if they face stronger bots, they aren't clubbers anymore
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 1, 2017 8:38:39 GMT -5
Rejoice, if they face stronger bots, they aren't clubbers anymore halauya
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 1, 2017 9:23:37 GMT -5
Rejoice, if they face stronger bots, they aren't clubbers anymore halauya Was facing stronger botz b4 mm change was fighting mid to high silver b4 with same botz. Problem was people not informed proper of how to build and balance a hanger more than anything else. I agree gepards b4 should have been silver tier min.
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Post by Divine Thunder on Feb 1, 2017 10:16:19 GMT -5
Yesterday, fought a good 30 matches and earned a grand total of 17 activity points. Fortunately. Clan activity points appear to count both loses answer wins
However. I knew I was in for a beating since the server crash over the weekend allowed my win rate to climb. But I did not balance out at 50%. By this morning I was at 32%.
At 32%, I started to see something of what could be fight able matched. BUT the opposition and the Allied team are still more powerful and earning simply scrape.
Those who say wait it will get better a, are really telling us, it will get better once you have abandoned what you have built and followed our "gospel". Or you follow our way and do what we say as though they have the only truth concerning this gsme.
Mm is not intended to allow casual play. It is intended to get you to spend money to improve your hanger and then to move the rug so you have to spend more money. It is a money pit where you are not intended to catch up because as soon as you do they will "change the rules" again.
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odin63
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Post by odin63 on Feb 6, 2017 16:09:27 GMT -5
Err...I guess the new MM is "a bit" on garbage side - as stated above, after few dozen games, it's getting just worse. I'm facing bots +1 or 2 in class (Light/medium vs mostly heavy and some mediums), +4..5 upgrade levels in mech and +2...3 in weapons. That's not a mathematical model behind MM adjusting - that is a complete coding fail. I went all the way up to 96% wins (still climbing up early into the new MM), all done without clubbing, but a mixed, balanced hangar. 80-90% of time I was on top of the list. Now the stats are plummeting, win rate at 60% and dropping. I hate to see some clumsy Griff, TT fury or Lance players (sometimes almost funny, crappy moves, no use of map features, sense of timing etc, getting beaten in a silly way eventually) win just because they paid for gold to upg and now seem to be favorably matched as described above (I'm not suggesting the gold-MM connection here though). In short - no skills, low dmg at the end but eventually win by combination of sheer hangar power and silly MM to put them against lower "tier" pilots. All in all I cannot exactly rain on ppl who drew back their payments; again when you pay for a car and all the sudden manufacturer comes to you and takes thewheels away from the car, I would say the reimbursement is justified even if you drove the car for some time. It's not whining, it's observation of a frustrating combination of facts. I just say this. My cups ave right now are 973, I have over 3000 victories. My win rate went from 76% to 42%, ave dam 470-490 to 350-370. My 6/8.5 hanger is consistently against 10-12 bots with similar weps. I have been trying to play through but no change during many battles 75+. My battles 1/22 - 1/28, went from typical to AWESOME 27-28. Matches lasted longer and had better balance. I was planning to finish upgrade to level 9 weps then the bots. Now I think I will just upgrade bots to level 9. During this time I plan to leave the game, I have beed reduced to TARGET PRACTICE for the TT player that 2-shot my level 6 bots. I have 315 million silver, so I have some time. I dont know the time it takes to go from 6-9 on 7 bots, we'll see. Maybe I am biased, but I dont think level 6 bots should be on the battlefield with level 10-12 with similar weps. The imbalance is to severe. I have been facing the exact same conditions, and it has definitely gotten worse over the last several days. I can't even find cover from my spawn on open maps before I'm blown away by just one salvo. The splash from these weps destroy or thoroughly deplete me despite obvious misses. I was killed on springfield in a gareth with full health, shield up, and entirely behind a wall by "splash." The game isn't even fun anymore because I feel that I have no legitimate chance at winning most of my matches. I don't like losing to those who simply have superior equipment. I wouldn't go into battle against longswords, lances, and longbows with a broom stick and cardboard, and there's no way on Earth that anyone is going to convince me that it's a fair fight. I certainly don't understand why it continues to get worse...and being told by others to "relax," "play smarter," and "adapt" while you're beaten to death by the new mm is more than a little frustrating and condescending.
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Post by karljackson on Feb 6, 2017 19:12:52 GMT -5
war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/1700/new-mm-on-iosit seems on android it was rolled out at different times for different people. I suspect, it depends on which server your client connects to (Europe-USA-Asia, maybe? Not sure how servers are distributed worldwide). For me (Europe), I noticed the difference 36-48 hours ago and I saw my European clanmates wondering what the hell was going on while the Americans one going "what are you talking about?".. then I went to battle and I was steamrolled. Yeah, American Android server still sucks.. LOL I always knew there was a difference between OS. But I never thought about regional servers. That explains a few things...
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 6, 2017 21:10:22 GMT -5
I have been facing the exact same conditions, and it has definitely gotten worse over the last several days. I can't even find cover from my spawn on open maps before I'm blown away by just one salvo. The splash from these weps destroy or thoroughly deplete me despite obvious misses. I was killed on springfield in a gareth with full health, shield up, and entirely behind a wall by "splash." The game isn't even fun anymore because I feel that I have no legitimate chance at winning most of my matches. I don't like losing to those who simply have superior equipment. I wouldn't go into battle against longswords, lances, and longbows with a broom stick and cardboard, and there's no way on Earth that anyone is going to convince me that it's a fair fight. I certainly don't understand why it continues to get worse...and being told by others to "relax," "play smarter," and "adapt" while you're beaten to death by the new mm is more than a little frustrating and condescending. odin63, My War Robots now fluctuates from a NEW low of 28%!!! - 46% my HIGHest since the change. I have changed alot of bots, reconfigured to my highest level heavys. I dropped my 5k Au on the Lancelot, which is fun, but so slowwww!! I played alot over past few days to increase my silver to 340 M, with the free 3day premium. I now have full lvl 7 hanger and no perceptable change in the others hangers. My play will scale back considerably. I never spent this kind of time on a mobile game and did really enjoy it. But what this game has turned has made me reevaluate this game entirely. In its current form, it is now a P2P for those that want to move up past a certain point. *That IS where we are right now. I dont mind stiff competition, when I get nothing for losing I get it, wins will be few. When I dont get ANYTHING for winning, what is the point. My goal is to move up, and that is taken away, unless I pay - no thanks. Because their are winners, those that have already made it. When I am partnered with TT blues they end up taking the cake and I occasionally get some crumbs - no thanks. It will be interesting to see how the player base is effected, does it continue to grow over the coming months or decline. I dont mind supporting a game to help, but handicapping me to a frustrating and disappointing playing experience is something else entirely. I want to pay to support a game to show appreciation. I will not be forced to pay to be able to compete effectively. My .02
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