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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 17:38:40 GMT -5
For me, I have been running my high gold tier bots for about 98% of my matches Since the new rating and MM have come online. My battles have lately seemed to be fairly evenly matched. This has been after roughly 300 plus battles. My stats seem to have been holding steady. Back to 52% wins. Some matches my stats are better than my averages, sometimes they are lower, sometimes I'm at the top, sometimes the middle, sometimes the bottom of the team stats at the end of the battle. All of this is how it was before the "Big Change".
I see a lot of the same names on each side for each battle depending on what time of the day they play the game. Being retired and old I get to play at all times of the day and night( if I can't sleep) unless the wife is after me to take her on errands or do something from the honey do list.(happy wife, happy life).
So as fluid gameplay is with always having to adjust my strategies and future plans for bot lineups, it seems to be back to normal for me. I do sincerely hope everyone else eventually finds this balance also.
Yes I still see a lower level player get thrown in and be at a tremendous disadvantage. I believe this is happening because he just hasn't played enough matches yet to settle in where he belongs.
And I have seen the quitters. One especially for the clan WAR on iOS, I wish I could remember his full I'd, but it escapes me right at the the moment, it did start with two (2) capital b's then a space then the rest of the name. Running lvl 11 bots and weapons he has dropped to 0.2 kill a little over 30k damage and 8% win rate.
What he is doing by this or trying I can't comprehend at the moment. And I really don't care because we still won without him. So there (phhhtttt!!!).
Good battles to all.
Old man rambles again.
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Post by mechtout on Jan 21, 2017 17:52:11 GMT -5
think tmwil was being sarcastic. joking that the new clubber clan is the 12/12 maxed players unintentionally beating lower players due to the new mm
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 21, 2017 17:57:21 GMT -5
think tmwil was being sarcastic. joking that the new clubber clan is the 12/12 maxed players unintentionally beating lower players due to the new mm Whoops...misread his post. I deleted mine after I reread it again....agree with what he is saying. Unintended consequences of being a 12/12 clan is now they unfortunately get matched up with lower powered players. No fun for anyone. Thanks for pointing that I got his post wrong.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 21, 2017 18:11:14 GMT -5
That's the real problem with the new MM system: It punishes good piloting instead of rewarding it. Maybe swarming "stationary red bots with 30k hp by the force of level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely gepards" isn't actually "good" piloting? I mean it's not "bad" piloting either. It's just bad sportsmanship. I can already hear the "this is a game" BS. Well then you will have to deal with it and adapt, my friend. You have helpless stationary newbies in Silver tier? If you have lights with maxed weapons, you're in a tier where mediums can have much better weapons up to level 9. Not helpless. The people talking about 'clubbers with maxed weapons in Bronze', are they dishonest or ignorant?
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Post by hizzie on Jan 21, 2017 18:19:07 GMT -5
My strongest boy is a 7/8 Boa. Still getting crushed with repeated meetings of 12/12 heavies. When does the game get fun again???
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 18:24:46 GMT -5
My strongest boy is a 7/8 Boa. Still getting crushed with repeated meetings of 12/12 heavies. When does the game get fun again??? A couple of days. It'll get better day by day, if you back and read my post from like an hour ago in this thread I explain how guys like you take a brunt of the pain of the system sorting. It's already starting to get much better up by high ahold and it'll work its way down to you.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 21, 2017 18:34:41 GMT -5
okay, so, firstly, the entire point of the game is to progress up into bots like Lancelot, furies, galahads Etc., so if you don't enjoy that, you might as well quit now. Stated as though fact? Where on the Pixonic website or T&C's did it say that? It's a game, people will play it whichever way they enjoy it. You sound like you like it competitive and play it a lot. I don't think I will ever play enough to get mechs or weaps to 12 or any of the gold mechs/weaps? Based on your fallacious logic, I should have quit before I started because I have no actual intention to maximise my hangar? Ah, no. Thanks for your advice, but I think I will play a game for as long as I enjoy it and leave it when I don't. thirdly, did you actually understand most of my comment? Clubbing IS a preference, if you prefer to stay in lower tiers, it's to pummel noobs. This may not be what you mean, but you still ARE pummeling noobs, regardless of your excuses Overly simplistic argument. There are points where you get out of "noobs" and into casual but decent players. Playing with the newbies is frustrating as they lack even the basic awareness of the impact of beacons, so I have no desire to play in the really low tiers because it is frustrating. Think what you will, there is nothing wrong with playing here. You seem to be here just to denigrate others who don't share your limited view of the world. You've had your fun and mocked posters who have put forward cogent posts, so why don't you head back to the game and leave the forum to the adults. Hmm...bit rude...but meh, I'll take it. okay, so firstly, I started the game a week or two ago, and a don't have much time to play it thanks to having to work, so no, I don't play it a lot. And where does it say you have to progress in war robots? That's a joke, right..? Right?! Are you saying, that your preference in video games is to never progress, and just stay in Lvl 1 whatever's, forever? Okay, secondly, what's wrong with simplistic arguments? Do you not want everyone to understand what I'm saying? You may not if realised mate, but not everyone here has a degree in rocket science, so you can shove your condescendence up your arse. Further more, you might as well of just agreed with me. You said that you didn't like facing noobs, but, the thing is, you still ARE ruining the game for noobs who don't have a chance against experienced players, so don't sit there and say "oh, I don't LIKE fighting newbies, I just do" and whatever, because like I said in my last, overly simple comment, you don't need geps to pummel noobs (even though you DO have one). And, to your last snarky, condescending Etc. Comment, firstly, I don't appreciate being thought of as a child, and secondly, I'm Auzzie, so get 「fluffernutter」in used to it, I'm not here to denigrate anyone, I'm just trying to get the fact the the new MM is fine through your thick skulls, so y'all will stop complaining to the admins and whatnot like it will change anything. As everyone has said so many times, let the MM flatten out, try a different hangar, b flattered that the MM thinks your as skilled as maxed players.
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Post by hizzie on Jan 21, 2017 18:43:01 GMT -5
My strongest boy is a 7/8 Boa. Still getting crushed with repeated meetings of 12/12 heavies. When does the game get fun again??? A couple of days. It'll get better day by day, if you back and read my post from like an hour ago in this thread I explain how guys like you take a brunt of the pain of the system sorting. It's already starting to get much better up by high ahold and it'll work its way down to you. I hope so. Once I run out of silver for upgrades if this is still going on I'll be done. At this point I'm only netting 40-60k after repairs.
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Post by maracas on Jan 21, 2017 18:43:13 GMT -5
so how does it works? higher winning rate higher the enemy's hangar lvl?
if i have theorically a 90% WN i will be facing 12/12 hangar opponents?
interesting, if we take in consideration that leaving a battle doesnt count as a loss battle...
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 21, 2017 18:47:23 GMT -5
Maybe swarming "stationary red bots with 30k hp by the force of level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely gepards" isn't actually "good" piloting? I mean it's not "bad" piloting either. It's just bad sportsmanship. I can already hear the "this is a game" BS. Well then you will have to deal with it and adapt, my friend. You have helpless stationary newbies in Silver tier? If you have lights with maxed weapons, you're in a tier where mediums can have much better weapons up to level 9. Not helpless. The people talking about 'clubbers with maxed weapons in Bronze', are they dishonest or ignorant? Not sure if that last comment is aimed at me, but I'll answer it anyway. Tbh, the most ignorant person here was you. I didn't even mention max level weapons, actually, I didn't mention weapons at all.
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Post by 6pack on Jan 21, 2017 19:40:42 GMT -5
You sir, are a clubber. Just looking at your hangar and games stats makes that clear. Lets look together. Your opponent: 2579 Victories with an 88% win rate means he as played about 2930 games. His max winning series is 29 games. He is level 30 and has many WSP weapons and full upgrades. Seems he put his work in. You: 2637 Victories with a 60% win rate means you have played about 4395 games. Your max winning series is 45 (well done). You are also level 30 however your best hangar that your playing is primarily gold purchased items at mid level. The amount of WSP points you have spent can be earned by someone casually doing WSP dailies in 2 levels. So the new MM system has dropped and your 1/8 or 4/12 geps cant club anymore but you want to pretend that your being abused by the new system. That may be true, but you have been abusing others for awhile I think. Of course, I could be wrong. If so I sincerely apologize.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 21, 2017 19:45:37 GMT -5
You have helpless stationary newbies in Silver tier? If you have lights with maxed weapons, you're in a tier where mediums can have much better weapons up to level 9. Not helpless. The people talking about 'clubbers with maxed weapons in Bronze', are they dishonest or ignorant? Not sure if that last comment is aimed at me, but I'll answer it anyway. Tbh, the most ignorant person here was you. I didn't even mention max level weapons, actually, I didn't mention weapons at all. I'll talk slowly, and use small words. Look at the post I quoted. Do you know how forums work? Quoted text? Shows who you replied to, and what the person you're replying to said. If you're still confused, I'll help. User 'carvr' specifically mentioned maxed aphids and mags.
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Post by odin63 on Jan 21, 2017 20:10:33 GMT -5
Maybe swarming "stationary red bots with 30k hp by the force of level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely gepards" isn't actually "good" piloting? I mean it's not "bad" piloting either. It's just bad sportsmanship. I can already hear the "this is a game" BS. Well then you will have to deal with it and adapt, my friend. You have helpless stationary newbies in Silver tier? If you have lights with maxed weapons, you're in a tier where mediums can have much better weapons up to level 9. Not helpless. The people talking about 'clubbers with maxed weapons in Bronze', are they dishonest or ignorant? Before the recent MM fiasco I was running 4 geps at 4/12, and swapping and experimenting with different bots in my 5th slot. I like fast play and the heavies are soooo terminally slow. I was always in silver tier games with plenty of mediums and heavies (rhinos, fujins, raijins, and lots of leos, among others,) who could blow me out of the water if I were incompetent enough to go toe to toe. I couldn't just run straight at them pushing the big red button and maintain any sort of win ratio. If I did that, I would be out of bots in about a minute and a half with no gold or silver to show for it, resulting in no upgrades. I also played exclusively as a random until just last week. All of my upgrades have come from gold that was won, not bought, which also forced me to become a much more solid player. I have never understood why others continue to call anyone with a gep hangar a "clubber." I have never been matched up against a group of novices, and any I played against were matched buy an equal (or superior,) number of them on my own team. Now that I'm forced to run against 12/12 heavies I can't compete to earn enough gold to upgrade or buy my own slow hangar. Even if I was still able to upgrade my heavies from wins, I just don't like that style of play. I won't spend a cent on this game, and if things don't change, I won't spend any more time on it either. For all of those who believe that by virtue of having a 4/12 gep hangar you're a clubber, they really don't know what they're talking about.
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Post by mechtout on Jan 21, 2017 20:24:35 GMT -5
Here is an example of every other match, whole team got worked within a few minutes, and i spent most of my bots defending one blue beacon against this maxed player. I have level 6 bots with level 8 weapons. So much fun..... You sir, are a clubber. Just looking at your hangar and games stats makes that clear. Lets look together. Your opponent: 2579 Victories with an 88% win rate means he as played about 2930 games. His max winning series is 29 games. He is level 30 and has many WSP weapons and full upgrades. Seems he put his work in. You: 2637 Victories with a 60% win rate means you have played about 4395 games. Your max winning series is 45 (well done). You are also level 30 however your best hangar that your playing is primarily gold purchased items at mid level. The amount of WSP points you have spent can be earned by someone casually doing WSP dailies in 2 levels. So the new MM system has dropped and your 1/8 or 4/12 geps cant club anymore but you want to pretend that your being abused by the new system. That may be true, but you have been abusing others for awhile I think. Of course, I could be wrong. If so I sincerely apologize. wow okay, whatever you want to believe man. first off, the win percentage is based on the past 50 games, so not sure how you're calculating the total number of matches. Secondly, i own three geps and if i had level 12 weapons (4/12 geps) dont you think i would have them on my bots right now?? If playing with 4/6 boas is clubbing, or playing with a 6/8 heavy hangar is clubbing, then i guess im a clubber. but i consider it a silver tier player since i'm taking the time to level all my weapons evenly. i have level 8 in just about all the weapons as im trying different configurations at each level before moving up to the next tier.....make sense?
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 21, 2017 20:30:36 GMT -5
You sir, are a clubber. Just looking at your hangar and games stats makes that clear. Lets look together. Your opponent: 2579 Victories with an 88% win rate means he as played about 2930 games. His max winning series is 29 games. He is level 30 and has many WSP weapons and full upgrades. Seems he put his work in. You: 2637 Victories with a 60% win rate means you have played about 4395 games. Your max winning series is 45 (well done). You are also level 30 however your best hangar that your playing is primarily gold purchased items at mid level. The amount of WSP points you have spent can be earned by someone casually doing WSP dailies in 2 levels. So the new MM system has dropped and your 1/8 or 4/12 geps cant club anymore but you want to pretend that your being abused by the new system. That may be true, but you have been abusing others for awhile I think. Of course, I could be wrong. If so I sincerely apologize. Novel approach. May be the first time I've ever seen someone with a 60% win rate playing in HS/LG a clubber. Apparently because he hasn't spent enough. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? BTW, you know that the number of victories is over all time since Pix started keeping track, but the other stats (kills, dam, win %) are a rolling average over your previous 50 matches only. So you have no idea how much, exactly, he's played. And any self respecting clubber (even good Thunder Schutze farmers if they play at the right times of day) would have a *much* longer max win streak than that.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Jan 21, 2017 20:33:10 GMT -5
I hope they don't implement New MM right at 27 jan in android?
I hope I'm not giving them ideas...
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Post by 6pack on Jan 21, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
You sir, are a clubber. Just looking at your hangar and games stats makes that clear. Lets look together. Your opponent: 2579 Victories with an 88% win rate means he as played about 2930 games. His max winning series is 29 games. He is level 30 and has many WSP weapons and full upgrades. Seems he put his work in. You: 2637 Victories with a 60% win rate means you have played about 4395 games. Your max winning series is 45 (well done). You are also level 30 however your best hangar that your playing is primarily gold purchased items at mid level. The amount of WSP points you have spent can be earned by someone casually doing WSP dailies in 2 levels. So the new MM system has dropped and your 1/8 or 4/12 geps cant club anymore but you want to pretend that your being abused by the new system. That may be true, but you have been abusing others for awhile I think. Of course, I could be wrong. If so I sincerely apologize. Novel approach. May be the first time I've ever seen someone with a 60% win rate playing in HS/LG a clubber. Apparently because he hasn't spent enough. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? BTW, you know that the number of victories is over all time since Pix started keeping track, but the other stats (kills, dam, win %) are a rolling average over your previous 50 matches only. So you have no idea how much, exactly, he's played. And any self respecting clubber (even good Thunder Schutze farmers if they play at the right times of day) would have a *much* longer max win streak than that. Thats pretty much my point. He appears to have just PURCHASED this nice little hanger. The level 8 Mags, Level 7/8 Aphids, level 8 Pins, all could have been installed on level 1-3 geps. The WSP items were probably purchased and upgraded over time but probably didn't like not getting much gold when playing in the higher tiers. Also, I said nothing about Kills or Dmg. I did use the Win % but since that is the only avg it appeared the better metric. But if it makes it easier, drop it. He still has more victories over the level 30 who was able to put together a hanger with mostly 12/12 WSP items. As for being a 'Self Respectingâ farmer, please show me stats that support your point. I stand by mine that someone with a 45 game win streak and mid level hangar was probably a clubber based on the time played and level. And I never said 'Exactly' in my post did I? I said 'About'.
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Post by kchan4487 on Jan 21, 2017 21:26:21 GMT -5
Novel approach. May be the first time I've ever seen someone with a 60% win rate playing in HS/LG a clubber. Apparently because he hasn't spent enough. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? BTW, you know that the number of victories is over all time since Pix started keeping track, but the other stats (kills, dam, win %) are a rolling average over your previous 50 matches only. So you have no idea how much, exactly, he's played. And any self respecting clubber (even good Thunder Schutze farmers if they play at the right times of day) would have a *much* longer max win streak than that. Thats pretty much my point. He appears to have just PURCHASED this nice little hanger. The level 8 Mags, Level 7/8 Aphids, level 8 Pins, all could have been installed on level 1-3 geps. The WSP items were probably purchased and upgraded over time but probably didn't like not getting much gold when playing in the higher tiers. Also, I said nothing about Kills or Dmg. I did use the Win % but since that is the only avg it appeared the better metric. But if it makes it easier, drop it. He still has more victories over the level 30 who was able to put together a hanger with mostly 12/12 WSP items. As for being a 'Self Respectingâ farmer, please show me stats that support your point. I stand by mine that someone with a 45 game win streak and mid level hangar was probably a clubber based on the time played and level. And I never said 'Exactly' in my post did I? I said 'About'. Maybe let's just drop it. Clubber or not, no one is going to admit to clubbing nowadays because most people won't bother listening. They just say, s*ck it clubber. The only thing you guys can do now is either keep playing so you get sorted out faster, or wait a couple of weeks until the other guys are sorted out, so when you start from 0 points ELO, you go up against noobs and work your way upwards to better competition without having to have the frequent meetings with TT guys who are also working they're way up, since they've already done that the week prior.
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Post by kchan4487 on Jan 21, 2017 21:51:16 GMT -5
O dang. 42 page thread. Who did the we all start from zero ELO score theory again? Lol. Need to give credits. Lol.
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Post by mechtout on Jan 21, 2017 21:53:32 GMT -5
Novel approach. May be the first time I've ever seen someone with a 60% win rate playing in HS/LG a clubber. Apparently because he hasn't spent enough. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? BTW, you know that the number of victories is over all time since Pix started keeping track, but the other stats (kills, dam, win %) are a rolling average over your previous 50 matches only. So you have no idea how much, exactly, he's played. And any self respecting clubber (even good Thunder Schutze farmers if they play at the right times of day) would have a *much* longer max win streak than that. Thats pretty much my point. He appears to have just PURCHASED this nice little hanger. The level 8 Mags, Level 7/8 Aphids, level 8 Pins, all could have been installed on level 1-3 geps. The WSP items were probably purchased and upgraded over time but probably didn't like not getting much gold when playing in the higher tiers. Also, I said nothing about Kills or Dmg. I did use the Win % but since that is the only avg it appeared the better metric. But if it makes it easier, drop it. He still has more victories over the level 30 who was able to put together a hanger with mostly 12/12 WSP items. As for being a 'Self Respectingâ farmer, please show me stats that support your point. I stand by mine that someone with a 45 game win streak and mid level hangar was probably a clubber based on the time played and level. And I never said 'Exactly' in my post did I? I said 'About'. Sometime's it feels like clubbing. Taken pre-mm update. And also note that whatever silver tier I was in, I was facing the same bot line ups, so I'm nothing unique.
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Post by poisonelf on Jan 21, 2017 22:25:32 GMT -5
Not sure if that last comment is aimed at me, but I'll answer it anyway. Tbh, the most ignorant person here was you. I didn't even mention max level weapons, actually, I didn't mention weapons at all. I'll talk slowly, and use small words. Look at the post I quoted. Do you know how forums work? Quoted text? Shows who you replied to, and what the person you're replying to said. If you're still confused, I'll help. User 'carvr' specifically mentioned maxed aphids and mags.
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Post by poisonelf on Jan 21, 2017 22:29:13 GMT -5
You sir, are a clubber. Just looking at your hangar and games stats makes that clear. Lets look together. Your opponent: 2579 Victories with an 88% win rate means he as played about 2930 games. His max winning series is 29 games. He is level 30 and has many WSP weapons and full upgrades. Seems he put his work in. You: 2637 Victories with a 60% win rate means you have played about 4395 games. Your max winning series is 45 (well done). You are also level 30 however your best hangar that your playing is primarily gold purchased items at mid level. The amount of WSP points you have spent can be earned by someone casually doing WSP dailies in 2 levels. So the new MM system has dropped and your 1/8 or 4/12 geps cant club anymore but you want to pretend that your being abused by the new system. That may be true, but you have been abusing others for awhile I think. Of course, I could be wrong. If so I sincerely apologize.
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Post by poisonelf on Jan 21, 2017 22:37:05 GMT -5
mechtout is trying to explain how the mm is such a mess, i sure don't see him in anyway a clubber based on what is here. I have a gep hanger, and many different set ups, I have about 5000 wins, a more than a year. I do not have a bought max hanger, nor a max hanger worked up in this amount of time. The mm giving players that have 1.6 million damage with their bought hangers, and victories at 88 percent low matches and people defending it is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 22:40:00 GMT -5
O dang. 42 page thread. Who did the we all start from zero ELO score theory again? Lol. Need to give credits. Lol. That'd be me. And it isn't necessarily 0 Elo, but it is the default Elo which is low enough that when it is added to a higher strength Hanger it matches up with low to moderate strength hangers with an established Elo. This means that the TT guys rise to the top and the MM stabilizes from the top down. Guys with weak hangers who play a lot are the aorters and really get the shaft in the transition. But, it'll auiet down. Already has in what used to be High Gold and above. People think it's based off win rate, it's not, anything outside of hanger strength and probabaly level means. Thing on the new MM. It has to sort everybody from scratch, and it does that by working people up, those stuck in the middle and bottom face the most turmoil the longest.
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Post by kchan4487 on Jan 21, 2017 22:59:10 GMT -5
O dang. 42 page thread. Who did the we all start from zero ELO score theory again? Lol. Need to give credits. Lol. That'd be me. And it isn't necessarily 0 Elo, but it is the default Elo which is low enough that when it is added to a higher strength Hanger it matches up with low to moderate strength hangers with an established Elo. This means that the TT guys rise to the top and the MM stabilizes from the top down. Guys with weak hangers who play a lot are the aorters and really get the shaft in the transition. But, it'll auiet down. Already has in what used to be High Gold and above. People think it's based off win rate, it's not, anything outside of hanger strength and probabaly level means. Thing on the new MM. It has to sort everybody from scratch, and it does that by working people up, those stuck in the middle and bottom face the most turmoil the longest. Yeah great theory. After reading about Elo, i posted this on the War Robots Community page: Not sure if that is in line with your original theory but it does fit.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 21, 2017 23:24:20 GMT -5
I understand emotions are running high, but please refrain from mud slinging, flaming and personal attacks.
You guys know who you are. Anymore personal attacks and flamings or calling other people 「kitty cats」 will result in bans.
Keep it civil please.
And do note, buying stuff with cash is a player's right. Be it a fury or a Gepard. I do not disparage either. However, the one who uses cash to purchase Geps generally have the intention of camping in a tier. A fury alone does not a hangar make, especially in gold.
But ONE gep outfitted well can crush nearly everyone in bronze. And two can sometimes be enough in low silver. So there ARE differences.
Nonetheless, keep it civil and don't make it personal please
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 23:29:07 GMT -5
That'd be me. And it isn't necessarily 0 Elo, but it is the default Elo which is low enough that when it is added to a higher strength Hanger it matches up with low to moderate strength hangers with an established Elo. This means that the TT guys rise to the top and the MM stabilizes from the top down. Guys with weak hangers who play a lot are the aorters and really get the shaft in the transition. But, it'll auiet down. Already has in what used to be High Gold and above. People think it's based off win rate, it's not, anything outside of hanger strength and probabaly level means. Thing on the new MM. It has to sort everybody from scratch, and it does that by working people up, those stuck in the middle and bottom face the most turmoil the longest. Yeah great theory. After reading about Elo, i posted this on the War Robots Community page: Not sure if that is in line with your original theory but it does fit. It is close, and a similar line of thinking. We don't know exactly what kind of Elo system they are using. I proposed one that fits with what we've been told and what we're seeing, which is more like Hanger+Elo in roughly equal measure. Also, if the system is using an uncertainty mechanic for Elo it can be very sporadic tossing you up and down to lower the uncertainty. Either way it'll take some time for the MM to quiet down, and till stabilize from the top down. Here is an example, if both Hanger and Elo can be numbers from 1-1000, for a total of 2-2000. Say, you have a weak high Bronze Hanger, a 300 Hanger strength, but have played and established your good Elo as 700. You are ranked 1000. Now, a 12/12 guy with a fresh elo of 0 is also a 1000. The Mm would see you two as a perfect match. But after a number of games that TT guy's Elo increases too, maybe he is an equal player and has an Elo of 700, we'll now he is at 1700 and will never encounter your 1000 again. Now, if an uncertainty mechanic is in play your Elo could be +/- 200, add in so many people on each side and the losses that shouldn't be losses, people chronically dropping, etc and the nature of calculating skill of individuals from a team and it takes quite a lot of sorting with tons of noise in the middle. But, it'll settle from the top down and once the majority of the player base had logged a few dozen games we should be much much more stable. I also believe that when calculating hanger strength the MM is weighting weapons levels that are higher than Bot levels more than it was previously, so lots of people who are running Weapons higher than Bot level could have a higher hanger strength than they had under the old MM. May not be as big of a penalty or any for Meds and Heavies or Au/WP items now. Well smaller for Meds and Heavies, and gone for Au/WP. Thanks for the credit, but the hypothesis you've listed can easily be credited to lots of others who have been discussing the Elo Mm changes. In fact their minimizing hanger strength doesn't explain what we are seeing as well as mine where Low Hanger + Established Elo = High Hanger + Unestablished Elo. The real answer may be some kind of combination of the two of them.
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Post by odin63 on Jan 21, 2017 23:31:35 GMT -5
I'm wondering if this whole thing is a plan to run off those playing for free, and to encourage those willing to pay to pay more. If so, it's a pretty dumb strategy. Word of mouth about a great game will naturally generate more eventual capital than a game that shakes willing spenders down to get more cash while discouraging anyone else.
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Post by kchan4487 on Jan 21, 2017 23:44:03 GMT -5
zman will refrain from quoting since it's long lol. That's why I'm leaning that hangar score isn't directly scored, or could be part of the aggregate for the ELO. Also if ELO takes average damage as scoring, changing your hangar won't mean anything, or playing 10 games might not tank your average damage low enough to register, hence the ineffectiveness of changing hangars to try outsmarting the matchups.
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Post by carvr on Jan 22, 2017 1:30:10 GMT -5
I'm wondering if this whole thing is a plan to run off those playing for free, and to encourage those willing to pay to pay more. If so, it's a pretty dumb strategy. Word of mouth about a great game will naturally generate more eventual capital than a game that shakes willing spenders down to get more cash while discouraging anyone else. This game rewards it's premium currency when we are successful in it. We can get 13 gold in 1 battle (5 beacons + 5 damage + 3 squad) and 60-80 from easy daily tasks which is not a small number at all. This leads me to think that War Robots is a game that does not want to run off those who don't pay. Encouraging investment of real money is what they must do as a company and frankly I hope they do. By definition of law, companies are founded to make profit. Otherwise we won't be playing such a brilliant mobile game in time. There is always a huge amount of players that think these great games are created only for our f2p pleasure and that is far away from how our world and reality works. Admittedly success in top brackets relies on our bots as much as our skill and those bots aren't really cheap to get but then again, hoarding 2500 gold + 1 taran + 2 magnums takes roughly 2-3 weeks for an active player which gets us a flexible and strong bot, Galahad.
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