|
Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 21, 2017 8:09:30 GMT -5
Oh jeez, someone call the wa-bulance. Like, seriously, please just stop with the emo 「dookie」. No one pities you. NO ONE. So stop posting like you'll get some form of sympathy. If you were regularly fighting geps, that means you were regularly farming in lower tiers (*Cough*Clubbing*Cough*) so you are in no place to complain.
|
|
|
Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 21, 2017 8:11:10 GMT -5
So, like I said just then, if you were regularly seeing gep clubbers in the old MM, you were most likely clubbing. That is why you were penalised. Use the new MM as an opportunity to test out a new hangar and see how it works out
|
|
|
Post by SuperHero on Jan 21, 2017 8:11:14 GMT -5
actually, I have a question for all here. Is the upsetness due to actually losing (i know so,e are being harsher and I feel for you guys) or is it because you are no longer in the top 3 when you win? I really don't know the answer and am just trying to answer, not condemn Super-Hero, I play a 9.5/11.5 hangar, so what we used to call high gold often against maxed squads, rarely against lower than 8/10. Most (90%+) of my games unsquadded. Of course, running into a 5 man VØX-squad, Team-Blue would be in for a beating, but I felt most games were reasonably equal. 55-65% win-rate.
I've played around 50 games after the update. Win rate is down an all time low of 32%. Avg damage about 625k.
Main problem is that the matches have far less balance than before. I run into 6/6 hangars, Noricum-pattons, mixed-range setups and all kinds of weird. Far more players that have no idea what they're doing. Both on blue and red team. The range of player skill in a match is much larger now. Now I'm not a fantastic player and I don't feel "entitled" to to win 80, 70 or even 60% of the games, but I do feel that I am continously being set up into a losing team. I know this sounds like I've been reading too many conspiracy theories and I should put on my tinfoil hat, but it *feels* like MM is out to get me.
The really strange part is that my secondary account (also on iOS, 7/8 mediums, HS tier) continues to do well. Win % is slightly down (to 80-86%) and opposition is a bit tougher but hasn't changed very much.
I don't mind losing games. Honestly, I find the close games that go down to the last minute the most fun and thrilling. Win or lose, these games are the reason I play.
Hey Nix, on the contrary, having played with you, I find you a superb pilot. Anyway, as petevb has said on our LINE chat, he suspects you are stuck in your rut partially because you continue to post fantastic dmg numbers despite losing.
|
|
|
Post by ivx on Jan 21, 2017 8:12:26 GMT -5
Okay, seriously. The majority of you are pretty much the biggest 「kitty cats」 I've ever seen. Who cares that you are getting obliterated, almost everyone is(including me!). Let the MM find the right place for you, it takes a lot of time. If you are willing to quit the game just because you are getting tickled by a couple high level bots, I don't think there is any point in having you here. Stop ?female dog?ing and complaining, and go enjoy the game. If you truly loved the game, you would give it a chance and keep going. (P.s if you deliberatly stay in lower tiers (E.g Bronze and low silver) For extended period of time, you are a clubber. Don't bother sugar coating it. Even if you don't own a gep (though they are the main offenders) and your in lower tiers to exploit noobs (and saying that you don't like heavies isn't an excuse) you are a clubber. Period) Some of what you wrote here is highly opinionated utter nonsense. I'm saying nonsense because it's an opinion presented as hard cold fact that goes against common sense. Like for example Silver MUST equal clubbing, as if you've freaking personally mathematically proven it without a shadow of doubt. "Period". Seriously, smh, like it's a universal constant. It isn't and anyone claiming it is isn't looking at the normal human possibilities for different preferences. "If this then that" works in IT, but not as a summary of thirty million players of this game. Or any number of people doing anything else for that matter. Silver was a preference for some - I won't express a grand certainty like you that for others it wasn't just high powered clubbing. But for some it was a play style preference, and not "ermagherd clubber, eat Piñata!". A 「overlarge heinie」 Lancelot like the one I'm just playing on the Test Server is a boring, sluggish, minute-to-get-there mountain of a bot. And Fury? Jeez, I quit the Test Server after an hour of shooting things with Tridents on it. Fun? I may as well play a turn based strategy then and there are far better ones out there than this one. I paid as much and probably far more than most next few guys to play this game. I could have bought Lances and Furies, I still can. But those terms were medium bots (yes. Imagine how much I clubbed with my 4/6 Rogatka and Galahad!) and relatively interesting games which would occasionally drag on for 6+ minutes. And I won't shut up because people like you have strong opinions about my play style and the majority of the player base which currently DOESN'T consider this bull「dookie」 MM a grand improvement Pixonic should be lauded for. "Go enjoy the game"? Sure, why not, I've been enjoying getting smashed to shreds in two seconds by Griffins and Lancelots with weapons 6 levels higher than mine. Thanks Pix, I'll go and enjoy my game now.
|
|
|
Post by SuperHero on Jan 21, 2017 8:19:33 GMT -5
The irony is that most of the people with those mag geps are in this situation because they focused on camping in a tier where they could bully others. Gold, silver and time that could have been spent on improving hangars was instead sharpening their clubbing hangars. When you have 5 Gepard, that gold and silver spent easily constitutes resources enough to have a decent low to mid gold hangar. Many wouldn't have to man up if they hadn't tier camped to bully in the first place. There are also *plenty* of people who get trashed now who don't even own a Gepard - just read some of the replies here and on FB. I owned 1 until the X-mas event and didn't even want another but got it from the normal spins. So I added it to my Silver lineup at that time, but with Pinatas because using two identical bots is boring (seal clubbers have incredible patience for repetitive tasks, I don't). I was one of the people who used a Gep to help me out, but nowhere nearly win a game on its own or heaven forbid club others with it. I still got clubbed by 5-Gep hangars occasionally but most of the time I could outplay them because those guys moved like trains, no dodging, no moving around, just press and shoot and run straight. So 1 of mine was good enough for at least 2 of theirs and by the time I bought a Galahad 5 Gep hangars were just feed for the plasma in my lineup. I didn't "camp in tiers to bully", nor did I club others; what I did do was enjoy gameplay with fast light and medium bots at 4 with level 6 weapons. I play a few heavies on the Test Server and I don't enjoy it nearly as much as Silver. Too slow, too sluggish, too many campers. So the assumption that "they could have made Gold hangars by now" doesn't hold true for everyone - not everyone wanted a Gold hangar to begin with. I play in mid gold and have found the MM very fair, even when I have been squadding with our newer players with 6/7-7/9 hangars. We have beaten all comers save the elite clans and dmg is spread in a way that makes sense. And this is the interesting part - a lot of people on here and FB who are at least mid-gold or higher do enjoy the game more now. Those below do not and your newer player teammates are most likely feeling outmatched and useless being matched with you and enemies of your level or higher. I know that I for one don't feel useful in a fight where most of my teammates and enemies are your level. And neither do the 12/12 TTs who are bored out of their minds shooting at lights. It's one thing to say "take that seal clubbers, grow up" and another to screw over the majority of the player base who a) don't own a 5 Gep hangar, b) haven't played the game for as long as some to have at least Gold level bots upgraded and c) just want to play fair matches. There's a ton of people over on FB saying it was better getting clubbed by Gepards because those they could at least kill. The heavies they can't. actually, I have a question for all here. Is the upsetness due to actually losing (i know so,e are being harsher and I feel for you guys) or is it because you are no longer in the top 3 when you win? I really don't know the answer and am just trying to answer, not condemn I'll answer for myself - it's because if my win rate rises, it's for one of two reasons. One, I get matched evenly or below my level and I win. Mostly below my level in the 1 out of 10 games now that I can actually contribute to meaningfully. Two, because the game matches me with massively more powerful team mates and they carry me. The end result of both is that I get to play versus people with superior equipment who I can no longer compete with based on skill and end up being carried in even more matches subsequently. In other words - I'm about as useful as I'd be if I was just camped in the deployment zone lobbing Noricums at them. Because I could be as skilled as anyone but all that skill is going to do exactly nothing when it takes a second for the enemy to vaporise you. I seriously feel your pain. And please don't think I am accusing you of being a clubber. I do agree level 30s who didn't club have also gotten a bit of the short end of the stick if you just happened to be good. And this is where I am hoping that the MM algorithm quickly balances it out for all concerned. we actually have a lot of players in our wiki feeder clan in the same situation and strangely some are facing the same struggle as you while some are enjoying the game more now that the 4/12 low silver clubbers are gone. And the weird part is that some have exactly the same stats but are having vastly different experiences. So while I know it sucks, I encourage you to hang in there until this MM sorts itself out or Pix tweaks or fixes things. But in the mean time, if you ever need help or a clan with low to high silver players to squad up with, let me know. We have a feeder clan with folks like you who would be happy to squad with another member of the forum. ?
|
|
|
Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 21, 2017 8:23:24 GMT -5
Okay, seriously. The majority of you are pretty much the biggest 「kitty cats」 I've ever seen. Who cares that you are getting obliterated, almost everyone is(including me!). Let the MM find the right place for you, it takes a lot of time. If you are willing to quit the game just because you are getting tickled by a couple high level bots, I don't think there is any point in having you here. Stop ?female dog?ing and complaining, and go enjoy the game. If you truly loved the game, you would give it a chance and keep going. (P.s if you deliberatly stay in lower tiers (E.g Bronze and low silver) For extended period of time, you are a clubber. Don't bother sugar coating it. Even if you don't own a gep (though they are the main offenders) and your in lower tiers to exploit noobs (and saying that you don't like heavies isn't an excuse) you are a clubber. Period) Some of what you wrote here is highly opinionated utter nonsense. I'm saying nonsense because it's an opinion presented as hard cold fact that goes against common sense. Like for example Silver MUST equal clubbing, as if you've freaking personally mathematically proven it without a shadow of doubt. "Period". Seriously, smh, like it's a universal constant. It isn't and anyone claiming it is isn't looking at the normal human possibilities for different preferences. "If this then that" works in IT, but not as a summary of thirty million players of this game. Or any number of people doing anything else for that matter. Silver was a preference for some - I won't express a grand certainty like you that for others it wasn't just high powered clubbing. But for some it was a play style preference, and not "ermagherd clubber, eat Piñata!". A 「overlarge heinie」 Lancelot like the one I'm just playing on the Test Server is a boring, sluggish, minute-to-get-there mountain of a bot. And Fury? Jeez, I quit the Test Server after an hour of shooting things with Tridents on it. Fun? I may as well play a turn based strategy then and there are far better ones out there than this one. I paid as much and probably far more than most next few guys to play this game. I could have bought Lances and Furies, I still can. But those terms were medium bots (yes. Imagine how much I clubbed with my 4/6 Rogatka and Galahad!) and relatively interesting games which would occasionally drag on for 6+ minutes. And I won't shut up because people like you have strong opinions about my play style and the majority of the player base which currently DOESN'T consider this bull?poo-poo? MM a grand improvement Pixonic should be lauded for. "Go enjoy the game"? Sure, why not, I've been enjoying getting smashed to shreds in two seconds by Griffins and Lancelots with weapons 6 levels higher than mine. Thanks Pix, I'll go and enjoy my game now. Aw, jeez, can you make your comments shorter next time? I don't have time to read this all. okay, so, firstly, the entire point of the game is to progress up into bots like Lancelot, furies, galahads Etc., so if you don't enjoy that, you might as well quit now. secondly, I said low sliver, not the entire silver tier, and this is mainly because high bronze players used to usually get bumped up into low silver, hence my comment and, thirdly, did you actually understand most of my comment? Clubbing IS a preference, if you prefer to stay in lower tiers, it's to pummel noobs. This may not be what you mean, but you still ARE pummeling noobs, regardless of your excuses
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 8:41:45 GMT -5
Oh jeez, someone call the wa-bulance. Like, seriously, please just stop with the emo ?poo-poo?. No one pities you. NO ONE. So stop posting like you'll get some form of sympathy. If you were regularly fighting geps, that means you were regularly farming in lower tiers (*Cough*Clubbing*Cough*) so you are in no place to complain. How would I know if I was clubbing? There's nothing in game that assists with where to go or what to do. As to clubbing, been reading on here since ... yesterday, that geps were the clubbers. I'm not lvl 30, only own 1 gep. I do have 3 mags.. 6/7/9 respectively. So take a nice big dose of go f..k yourself. The present system is crap. period. "Blah Blah, 50 - 90 games Blah Blah." Pretty sure I've got that covered already. So how the flying f..k am I still walking into 12/12 Fury/Trident players. Are these players that bad at the game? All they have to do is stand still and click a button once they see someone. No matter what I field, I'm far from the best on the team, others basically carry me to wins. I've used Griffins (6) to get some measly gold from capping..griffins... not exactly sprightly. Other than power levelling myself down to incredibly low elo, there's little else to do. Make a cheerleader robot perhaps. "Go Team!"
|
|
|
Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 21, 2017 8:49:12 GMT -5
Look what's become of this game now The game ended in less than 3 minutes... GG Piconix. Really 「fluffernutter」ing gg
|
|
|
Post by boomsplat on Jan 21, 2017 8:57:29 GMT -5
we actually have a lot of players in our wiki feeder clan in the same situation and strangely some are facing the same struggle as you while some are enjoying the game more now that the 4/12 low silver clubbers are gone. And the weird part is that some have exactly the same stats but are having vastly different experiences. That is the part that is quite confusing about the new MM - the vastly different experiences some are having despite having pretty comparable stats, including number of games played in the new MM. It is almost analogous to the old gold bug where some players who ran gold tier line ups had to lose for weeks with 1/1 line ups just to get the MM to recognize a different tier....others were able to switch around with impunity. Made it hard to understand why and frustrating for those who experienced it. Other than encouraging them to hang in there despite the endless games of getting thrashed or not being able to compete, I'm at a loss of what to recommend they do as approaches some are using to see better matches with the new MM are just not working for others....and I am seeing some good pilots leaving the game.
|
|
|
Post by kchan4487 on Jan 21, 2017 8:58:17 GMT -5
So is it live for Android now? I just got into a game where I faced 6/7 Rhinos again, and I'm running 4/7 mediums and a 5/9 Cossack.
The worst part of this was those freaking Rhinos were utter noobs. I was 2nd in score, doing much better than the opposing top scorer, and there was someone doing better than me, and we lost because those freaking 6/7 rhinos, leos and fujins of my teammates were overran. The top scorer of the opposing team was a 3 slot guy running a stalker, a golem, and a griffin for crying out loud. These guys are running wsp heavies and don't even know how to cap/protect beacons!
I don't know what's worse. Losing because you got matched up against better bots, or losing because your teammates with better bots are freaking scrubs.
|
|
|
Post by Battlemasters rule! on Jan 21, 2017 9:02:00 GMT -5
okay, so, firstly, the entire point of the game is to progress up into bots like Lancelot, furies, galahads Etc., so if you don't enjoy that, you might as well quit now. Stated as though fact? Where on the Pixonic website or T&C's did it say that? It's a game, people will play it whichever way they enjoy it. You sound like you like it competitive and play it a lot. I don't think I will ever play enough to get mechs or weaps to 12 or any of the gold mechs/weaps? Based on your fallacious logic, I should have quit before I started because I have no actual intention to maximise my hangar? Ah, no. Thanks for your advice, but I think I will play a game for as long as I enjoy it and leave it when I don't. thirdly, did you actually understand most of my comment? Clubbing IS a preference, if you prefer to stay in lower tiers, it's to pummel noobs. This may not be what you mean, but you still ARE pummeling noobs, regardless of your excuses Overly simplistic argument. There are points where you get out of "noobs" and into casual but decent players. Playing with the newbies is frustrating as they lack even the basic awareness of the impact of beacons, so I have no desire to play in the really low tiers because it is frustrating. Think what you will, there is nothing wrong with playing here. You seem to be here just to denigrate others who don't share your limited view of the world. You've had your fun and mocked posters who have put forward cogent posts, so why don't you head back to the game and leave the forum to the adults.
|
|
|
Post by ivx on Jan 21, 2017 9:09:14 GMT -5
Aw, jeez, can you make your comments shorter next time? I don't have time to read this all. Can you make your comments less generalised, less opinionated and pathetically snarky like the above? And besides, why? So you can come on here and conclude things about the majority of the player base in two minutes and not have to read dissenting opinions? No one's forcing you to read anything. It's a forum - it's purpose is discussion for some. Apparently profiling a whole bunch of players 「kitty cats」 for others. Like that guy with a low level Vityaz in the other thread who plays it with his kid - yeah I mean, what a 「meow」. Why can't he just man up and play a Lance instead of slogging around in the lower tiers and being happy with his win rate (according to you, not having a Gepard is also no excuse). okay, so, firstly, the entire point of the game is to progress up into bots like Lancelot, furies, galahads Etc., so if you don't enjoy that, you might as well quit now. This is true, of course. I enjoyed it mostly because I was allowed to tailor my hangar to my play style in the past and take my time with progression. When I got bored of shooting at Cossacks and Destriers, I bought a Galahad and shot at other stuff. The idea was to buy the faster mediums after that and then faster heavies after a while. But if there's only one viable hangar from now on which will allow players to actually play skill (and not equipment like now) decided games, then yes, I'll quit. and, thirdly, did you actually understand most of my comment? Clubbing IS a preference, if you prefer to stay in lower tiers, it's to pummel noobs. This may not be what you mean, but you still ARE pummeling noobs, regardless of your excuses Clubbing IS a preference, yes, but staying in the lower tiers does not EQUAL pummelling noobs. Unless you only consider Bronze and Low-silver low tiers, which I assume the majority of people don't (I'd consider everything below ex-High Silver a low tier in a game which has a fairly large population of high tier players).
|
|
|
Post by ivx on Jan 21, 2017 9:15:48 GMT -5
I seriously feel your pain. And please don't think I am accusing you of being a clubber. I do agree level 30s who didn't club have also gotten a bit of the short end of the stick if you just happened to be good. And this is where I am hoping that the MM algorithm quickly balances it out for all concerned. we actually have a lot of players in our wiki feeder clan in the same situation and strangely some are facing the same struggle as you while some are enjoying the game more now that the 4/12 low silver clubbers are gone. And the weird part is that some have exactly the same stats but are having vastly different experiences. So while I know it sucks, I encourage you to hang in there until this MM sorts itself out or Pix tweaks or fixes things. But in the mean time, if you ever need help or a clan with low to high silver players to squad up with, let me know. We have a feeder clan with folks like you who would be happy to squad with another member of the forum. ? Thanks for the offer. I mostly go at it alone (or with the GF) so far, generally prefer to play games that way. As for the game, I'm sticking with it. Limited to completing daily quests right now, but sticking with it nonetheless until we know and hear more from Pixonic on what's going to happen. Probably sometime next week, since they're not in the office over the weekend. Fingers crossed for the best (and by that I don't necessarily mean a rollback with a penalised Gepard on top - if they can find a way to make the new MM work for all of us, all the better).
|
|
|
Post by lilryry on Jan 21, 2017 9:43:01 GMT -5
Oh jeez, someone call the wa-bulance. Like, seriously, please just stop with the emo ?poo-poo?. No one pities you. NO ONE. So stop posting like you'll get some form of sympathy. If you were regularly fighting geps, that means you were regularly farming in lower tiers (*Cough*Clubbing*Cough*) so you are in no place to complain. How would I know if I was clubbing? There's nothing in game that assists with where to go or what to do. As to clubbing, been reading on here since ... yesterday, that geps were the clubbers. I'm not lvl 30, only own 1 gep. I do have 3 mags.. 6/7/9 respectively. So take a nice big dose of go f..k yourself. The present system is crap. period. "Blah Blah, 50 - 90 games Blah Blah." Pretty sure I've got that covered already. So how the flying f..k am I still walking into 12/12 Fury/Trident players. Are these players that bad at the game? All they have to do is stand still and click a button once they see someone. No matter what I field, I'm far from the best on the team, others basically carry me to wins. I've used Griffins (6) to get some measly gold from capping..griffins... not exactly sprightly. Other than power levelling myself down to incredibly low elo, there's little else to do. Make a cheerleader robot perhaps. "Go Team!" I think the bold is the problem, the changes essentially are giving bad players with high level bots the ability to win now,"o you're bad at the game and can't fight your own level, that's ok, here's some low level bots for you to fight so you can feel better about yourself"
|
|
|
Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 21, 2017 10:09:50 GMT -5
Look what's become of this game now The game ended in less than 3 minutes... GG Piconix. Really ?firetruck?ing gg This looks less like a MM problem and more like a quitter problem and a lack of teamwork problem.
|
|
|
Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 21, 2017 10:27:42 GMT -5
Look what's become of this game now The game ended in less than 3 minutes... GG Piconix. Really ?firetruck?ing gg This looks less like a MM problem and more like a quitter problem and a lack of teamwork problem. No, because both of these particular players joined and after a few seconds of walking their robots off the base(one of them took a beacon yay!), both just vanished from the game and we were left to lose what was until then a rather even game(2 to 3 beacons). I guess this would be the very deffinition of attempted drop% so that they can face easier opponents. At least the quitters before the new MM weren't deliberate...
|
|
haumiblau
Destrier
Posts: 33
Karma: 15
Platform: iOS
|
Post by haumiblau on Jan 21, 2017 15:24:52 GMT -5
|
|
WorstAimEver
GI. Patton
Posts: 134
Karma: 74
Platform: iOS
Clan: Ancient Warriors
League: Champion
Favorite robot: Bulgasari
|
Post by WorstAimEver on Jan 21, 2017 15:44:05 GMT -5
That's the real problem with the new MM system: It punishes good piloting instead of rewarding it. Maybe swarming "stationary red bots with 30k hp by the force of level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely gepards" isn't actually "good" piloting? I mean it's not "bad" piloting either. It's just bad sportsmanship. I can already hear the "this is a game" BS. Well then you will have to deal with it and adapt, my friend. But at least there was a good chance of killing some of those bots. But now instead of seeing level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely level 4 Gepards, you now run into level 12 aphids and magnums held by 5 lovely level 12 Gepards. You call that a solution? Plus if you compare the clan ranking leaderboard between iOS and Android, you'll notice a significant discrepancy in the numbers, and we're only a few days into the MM "fix" on iOS -- it's going to get even more disparit as time goes on. This strongly suggests that people just aren't playing as much under the new MM system, whereas previously the leaderboard numbers were fairly equal (within 1 or 2K of each other between platforms).
|
|
|
Post by mechtout on Jan 21, 2017 15:53:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by WE034 on Jan 21, 2017 15:57:39 GMT -5
when the mm update should avoid clubbing, my question is what is this? It is like in the real world, give them which still have everything! Wow... just wow.. thats seal nuking right there, no club needed.
|
|
|
Post by ivx on Jan 21, 2017 16:09:07 GMT -5
Here is an example of every other match, whole team got worked within a few minutes, and i spent most of my bots defending one blue beacon against this maxed player. I have level 6 bots with level 8 weapons. So much fun..... Hey, at least you're 6/8. A lot of us are lower than that in mediums and lights and still get hulksmashed by heavies from 8/8 to 12/12. Every. Single. Match. I guess we'll see how it goes in another week or two.
|
|
|
Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 21, 2017 16:14:34 GMT -5
This looks less like a MM problem and more like a quitter problem and a lack of teamwork problem. No, because both of these particular players joined and after a few seconds of walking their robots off the base(one of them took a beacon yay!), both just vanished from the game and we were left to lose what was until then a rather even game(2 to 3 beacons). I guess this would be the very deffinition of attempted drop% so that they can face easier opponents. At least the quitters before the new MM weren't deliberate... We are agreeing here. This is a quitter problem. You lost in 3 minutes because you had quitters. You said it was close up to that point... Which means the MM system worked. It was the crappy teammates that was the problem.
|
|
|
Post by mechtout on Jan 21, 2017 16:22:50 GMT -5
Here is an example of every other match, whole team got worked within a few minutes, and i spent most of my bots defending one blue beacon against this maxed player. I have level 6 bots with level 8 weapons. So much fun..... Hey, at least you're 6/8. A lot of us are lower than that in mediums and lights and still get hulksmashed by heavies from 8/8 to 12/12. Every. Single. Match. I guess we'll see how it goes in another week or two. Brutal, I cant imagine how anyone catches up with these maxed players earning no gold, minimal silver, and the length of time it takes to upgrade weapons and bots. It'll take forever to be competitive.
|
|
|
Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 21, 2017 16:34:16 GMT -5
No, because both of these particular players joined and after a few seconds of walking their robots off the base(one of them took a beacon yay!), both just vanished from the game and we were left to lose what was until then a rather even game(2 to 3 beacons). I guess this would be the very deffinition of attempted drop% so that they can face easier opponents. At least the quitters before the new MM weren't deliberate... We are agreeing here. This is a quitter problem. You lost in 3 minutes because you had quitters. You said it was close up to that point... Which means the MM system worked. It was the crappy teammates that was the problem. Sorry to dissapoint you but we're not agreeing. This quittting problem is DIRECTLY CAUSED by the new MM and it's fault by allowing players to be placed with easier opponents when they reach a certain amount negative win% ... So yeah my point here is fairly clear; with the old MM at least you didn't have to porposely lose to get easier matches even though it's a weak move from the ones who're exploiting this right now. But I can't really blame them with the current way this MM works... Being outclassed in nearly every match isn't that fun now is it?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Karma:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 16:41:43 GMT -5
It would seem like rubbing salt in the wounds if the neo-clubbers ruin your matches by intentionally dropping out of games on the way down, then ruin matches by smashing you in the face with a 12/12 brick on the way back up again..
|
|
|
Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Jan 21, 2017 16:55:52 GMT -5
I just experienced a new low with this MM. Tells you much about how we are being placed... After getting wrecked by the new clubbers of this game known also as top tier players, I thought I finally got a good balanced game and I did pretty good, or so I thought... Only after finishing the game I found out that my part in this win wasn't that great(even though 400k damage is a pretty good score for my 6/9 hangar). I was last place took very little silver with me and no gold(last place duh) and felt very dissapointed even though I won. It has become normal for me when I rarely win that I get carried by the "big boys" while I feel no value at all in my "contribution" to the win. P.s. Well over 100 games since the new MM and I still get matched with lvl 12ers...
|
|
|
Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 17:04:16 GMT -5
Ok, let's say this again....
New to MM players gets default Elo.
Default Elo is low.
Playing raises and establishes your Elo over time.
Medium/Low Hanger + Established Elo = Strong Hanger + Default/Unestablished Elo
This results into a bad match, but is part of the sorting process. Elstablished Elo players with Medium to Low hangers are the proverbial whipping boy until the system sorts the strong hangers out by establishing their Elos.
At High Gold 9/9.5 this was routinely happening to me, seeing lots of 12/12 players mixed with all kings. As my Elo got established I was seeing less and less of the weak hangers, but still lots to TT, then less and less of the Mediums, then less and less of anything 8/8 or less. Now I'm seeing less and less of the 12/12s.
A system like this sorts from the top down. Basically TT guys rise higher and and they separate off by establishing a high Elo in addition to their strong Hanger. Then the sorting moves lower through the Elo score and sorts more and more. Basically it settles from the top down, while the bottom and middle stay turbulent for a long time and it doesn't matter how established and fine tuned your Elo is, your weak Hanger is keeping you in the turbulence.
For me it looks like most of the TT guys I was facing have established their Elo and are now above me. Sure, I'll see the occasional guy establishing his Elo, but that is getting rarer. It is. Is settling down to High Gold, and will keeps settling lower and lower. The more people play over time the better it gets, but the low to Middle will stay turbulent longer and I bet if we really crunched the numbers I bet we would see this happening, the frequency of the TT guys hitting the low end goes down rapidly as they establish their Elos.
I'm seeing signs of it getting sorted and I bet over the next couple of days that'll get lower and lower until the whole system is sorted.
So, thank you all the guys with weak hangers and established Elos who are playing tons of games, you're masochistic and helping sort the system, and unfortunately, you're the last to see the benefits of all that work.
|
|
|
Post by NokiaSåmsung on Jan 21, 2017 17:06:32 GMT -5
New MM kicking in. Good?
I run a 6/8 hanger. All I see in every of my game now are 10/12 thereabout and loads of gold items (aphids, orkans, galas, fury etc). Compared to geps vs beginner bots, pretty much the same thing, gold players bashing none gold players, only at a higher level. Not to mention it takes forever, plus a day, to fully max out (unless you pay for it ofc)
As for skill, there's a limit. A probably extreme example - try win with a team without any gold items against an opponent team filled with gold bots/weapons.
I dunno, maybe soon we'll see clubber clans with primarily, say, galas, fury, orkans and aphids (speed and power). May not necessarily be farmers, but clubbers nevertheless.
Anyway, that's how life is. Pix is not welfare. If au can be earned that easily, then no one would be spending money then. Ultimately, it's going to be a pay to win game. As with any other so called free-to-play game.
|
|
|
Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 21, 2017 17:13:46 GMT -5
Funny...I had assumed it would be the opposite and had busted out a Last Stand light bot hangar in anticipation of the inevitable andriod change.
|
|
|
Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 17:36:07 GMT -5
Funny...I had assumed it would be the opposite and had busted out a Last Stand light bot hangar in anticipation of the inevitable andriod change. Haha, nope. Basically Elo has to build and elevate everyone from the bottom. Hanger strength is a start, but weak hangers with established Elos are literally a stepping stone for the Elo building process for every single Strong Hanger. Had this system been in place from the beginning Boone would ever feel this kind of sorting. I mean in two weeks when someone who took a break logs on, they'll have to sort through. Basically it settles at the top and slowly works its way down over time.
|
|