On the recent protests

I want to point out a few things: 

1. More tankers have been banned from this forum by you guys than from the game. Lumping it in with cheating is a gross overstatement, pix clearly doesn't view it that way. 

2. Though I understand the policy, banning it from here isn't stopping it. Your effectively putting up a "keep calm" poster by doing it (Remember the brits printed them and didn't use them). 

3. Though I understand the HISTORY of the ban on it now is a bit different, as were having a bit of a doomsday event. I beg you to read the following and have a good long think about why the policy was put in place and if its continued enforcement makes sense for the good of the community as a whole. 

> Pixo has recently started suspending tankers in waves. Pixo is taking actions against tankers.

Really? Pix made an official announcement with numbers where? Must have missed that one

> Also, notice how I also mention "exploits"?

Yes I noted that you were creating false equivalence .... cheating -> exploiting -> tanking.

> Only posts promoting tanking are not allowed, posts discussing it are. 

The side effect is that your creating an echo chamber... "Nothing to see here, move along people".

> It would kill off the game quicker

Thats a good theory, but you don't have a factual basis for it. 

Lastly, you either didn't read the article I linked -OR- you fail to understand that your doing the very thing it talks about. 

The idea is gaining steam elsewhere, so the conversation hasn't stopped it has simply moved. 

And it was that, a conversation, lots of people said things that were helpful and rational on BOTH side (not you but others). 

By stifling the conversation among those who disagree in an open way were simply splitting into two camps. 

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

My personal beliefs are not set it stone, and though I may find the idea distasteful, the numbers and the rational make sense, make it worth having a conversation about. Something that we can't seem to do, mostly because of people like you and posts like yours.

Your efforts are low energy, low effort, low rational, low intellect, and no fact. My 6 year old could come up with a better argument than most of the ones that you have made on this forum, and that is being generous. 

Im glad to know that your one of the people who will stick your fingers in your ears and scream when ever you hear something you don't like. 

1. A former wiki clan member had gotten suspended for tanking during an event so he was kicked out of the clan.

2. Cheating and exploits. I don't quite feel like debating the meaning of exploiting with you as that's all really just semantics. However, tanking is unfair to the rest of the populace.

3. People are free to discuss whatever they want, whether they are pro tanking or not. However, when they start actively encouraging and trying to get people to tank is when we have a problem. We had the same problem back in the ye olde days over turning off your wifi to instantly disappear from the match and then reappear elsewhere.

4. So we should just ignore the amount of people quitting because of tanking and the amount of people complaining on the forums about how it's ruining the game?

5. You seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not trying to stop it, I can't stop it, I'm trying to make it so that these people go off the forum to discuss this. This is so that they don't drag the forum into this and so that they don't lower discussion quality.

Whatever you say Mijapi/Blastronaut/whoever's sockpuppet you are.

Think of it as the difference between rioting and peaceful protest. Rioting, like tanking, damages other people. Peaceful protest, like changing your profile picture or not playing, does not damage other people. Now, which one is actually allowed in real life?

Well, reading that statement of incredible humility took two minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

Not exactly new rules...

Strayed





Thats not waves and taking action Strayed, thats ONE person.



I have to say, with all seriousness, and without sarcasm that it is now Strayed 1 and Pixonic 1 for tanker bans. You have literally put in just as much effort as some poor sap in CS at pix. The distinction is that person got paid and your doing all your work for free (Thank you for the effort). 





Actually, I don't think we would have a debate about the meaning, or the semantics. 

Lets use your wifi example: The exploit was that if you turn your wifi off, moved, and turned it back on you could warp around. Pix, deemed this a cheat, and fixed the underlying defect that made this possible. 

Pix has also been banning folks who decompile, modify and recompile the client. They continue to do things to make this behavior harder (and it is impossible to stop all together)

Lets talk about that level 9 pin bug a while back. Plenty of people rushed pins to level 9 to be able to exploit it. Pix chose to upgrade all those level 9 pins to level 10 for free till they could fix it. 

I can assume that the above puts us close enough to agreement for me to move on. 

I think we can also agree that tanking is an exploit, it fits the literal definition of  word "to use something to one’s own advantage".  


People complain about tanking and quit over tanking every day, we both would agree that it is a PROBLEM. 

But I don't think pix sees it as one, and they clearly don't see it as cheating. I don't think anyone here is dumb enough to think that this is an unsolvable problem. The LQ catches some folks, and is pix's solution, but we all know that it became a league of its own, those in the know preying on those who weren't. It also looked like pix was going to fix the situation and they put a stake in the ground with the LQ. 

It has been months since the league launched, yet today the problem is still there, the exploit still exists. Clearly company that used to sell geppards at a discount so one could go club hasn't had some dramatic change of heart. We see it as a problem, Pix's lack of an actual fix shows that they are still just fine with clubbing as long as you stay out of bronze. 


Lets take your statement through the lens of FlashAhAhh post. 



I think it would be fair to say that FlashAhAhh put together the most boring, un-engaging, back ?bum-bum? hanger to tank with.

I think that after one game with it, I would be bored out of my skull as much as feeling like a ?wee-wee?, and I assume that it was a factor in his choice to return here as well. 

For the sake of argument lets assume that he had gone and FOUND that other place that you wanted him to go to. That someone had taken him by the hand and show him a path to accomplish his goal quickly and efficiently, to lead him along a path that would have been worlds more enjoyable than his instinctive selection. 

Do you think he would have come back here or would he have stayed in those other places? We both know that he would not have been back! That he would have gone off to an echo chamber that painted tanking as sunshine and roses. We both know that this place would have remained an echo chamber of the evils of tanking. 

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This topic is one of MANY that divide the War Robots community, and they are all small in the current situation. All these divisions don't serve us, they serve PIX. They prevent us from coming together and speaking with a unified voice about actual issues that are putting something we have invested in (money or time) at risk. 

Im sure that no one will read this tome of an entry, that it will only be skimmed enough to give a visceral rebuttal against some small detail before the responder moves on. I can only hope that it resonates with someone enough for them to look at a policy or personal relationship they have in the community through an new lease and allows them to put it aside (if only temporarily) to address the larger issue. 

I also look forward to dredd's snarky GIF in response

zer00eyz.  Mate you make way to many assumptions.  I KNOW how to tank quickly and avoid the LQ.  I just wouldn't do it.  

I didn't stop tanking because I was bored, I stopped tanking because I have pride.

I submit to you, the forum, a set of public data from App Annie regarding the user ratings overt the course of the past week. Mind you, I present this as a show that the small percentage of players posting/reading here, are not in the minority. There is a certain and quantifiable level of displeasure in the player body.

Numbers for android, covering the 3.2 release



Numbers for iPads. 

My word...

that give the phrase "being in the red" a whole separate meaning...

Interesting, so what's that surge of positive reviews that started beginning of September? Looks really fake to me.

To be honest, I posted a four star rating a month or so ago. This was before the announcement of the fall roll out. To counter that, I posted a two star rating last week, and an explantation as to why the low rating. Mail.ru couldn't have been thrilled by the ratings that they've been receiving since the latest update. Assuming they even care.

strayed

In hind-sight, you should have locked this thread after your post.

Anyone that sees Tanking as helping the cause is delusional. You are only hurting the game you like, not the company behind the game, it's extremely easy in 1-2 queries see any players in a league they shouldn't be in and suspend them. Or if the company decides to close shop, take all the money it made and close it's doors the next day, will you be happy? Well that is what Tanking and Fraud protests bring to the table, not the message we want to send.

Stop playing/Stop Paying/Bad Reviews/Don't run any K-Bots all have a better impact on the game, it tells the business owners that the decisions they made recently were bad ones since they didn't produce the results they were looking for and something needs to change. Ruining the game for all players has much more uglier effect than just protesting. I hope you see this truth.