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Post by jesusmarley on Dec 18, 2017 20:12:11 GMT -5
What abuse would that be then? Wait! You screaming abuse showering your tablet/phone/computer with spittle as the veins in your forhead bulge and turn purple and your jagular vein starts pulsating as you go in a hissy fit because a dashbot nuked you? Is that it? I can live with that. I can live with that standing on my head. The simple fact is that the dash bots are OP. Anyone who uses a dash bot, knowing they are OP are nothing but cheaters. They have to have an unfair advantage in order to win. I've stated it previously that the dash bots are the worst mistake that Pix has made with this game. I have zero interest in them. If I won one tomorrow, it would never be used as I refuse to cheat even if given the opportunity. So, you go ahead there buddy, and brag about how awesome you are in your Haecheat. |
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Post by deathpasito on Dec 18, 2017 22:53:17 GMT -5
What abuse would that be then? Wait! You screaming abuse showering your tablet/phone/computer with spittle as the veins in your forhead bulge and turn purple and your jagular vein starts pulsating as you go in a hissy fit because a dashbot nuked you? Is that it? I can live with that. I can live with that standing on my head. The simple fact is that the dash bots are OP. Anyone who uses a dash bot, knowing they are OP are nothing but cheaters. They have to have an unfair advantage in order to win. I've stated it previously that the dash bots are the worst mistake that Pix has made with this game. I have zero interest in them. If I won one tomorrow, it would never be used as I refuse to cheat even if given the opportunity. So, you go ahead there buddy, and brag about how awesome you are in your Haecheat. okay okay okay, less salt and name calling, and we’ll be friends. Back in my day, then no-good seal clubbing Plasma Gepards were the ultimate nightmare for non-pay-to-win players (in the low MM tiers of old). Even the innocent who got seal clubbed would buy their own Gepards and seek revenge for blood spilt by Magnum, the much sought for WSP weapon (indeed, WSP was the token currency, not this component fodder). And match after match, the seal clubbers would mercilessly harass my brother and sister beacon cappers, God bless their existence. Twenty-score days have passed since those times, and now the new seal clubbers named Orkan Haechis have burst onto the scene. But clubbers never change. Indeed, the eternal struggle between play to win players and pay to win players endures. However, my friend, paying to win is not cheating. As the eternal take-downer of seal clubbers of any build, I urge you to not give up. Get a cossa- oh wait no that’s not even close to the meta anymore. Save up for the mighty Taranasaurus Rog, the meta of years ago and the meta of the present. With this tool you can corner sustain down any dash bot, any build, any brain size, any wallet size. For the love of the old Taran Cossack, Keep sacking. deathpasito |
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Post by deathpasito on Dec 18, 2017 22:55:04 GMT -5
If they're unskilled, it's easy. All you need to do is use a Taran Rog (or a Cossack followed by something with good firepower) for Orkans, or a physical shield bot for energy weapons. +1 for the Cossack vote |
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Post by SATmaster728 on Dec 19, 2017 7:40:14 GMT -5
The simple fact is that the dash bots are OP. Anyone who uses a dash bot, knowing they are OP are nothing but cheaters. They have to have an unfair advantage in order to win. I've stated it previously that the dash bots are the worst mistake that Pix has made with this game. I have zero interest in them. If I won one tomorrow, it would never be used as I refuse to cheat even if given the opportunity. So, you go ahead there buddy, and brag about how awesome you are in your Haecheat. okay okay okay, less salt and name calling, and we’ll be friends. Back in my day, then no-good seal clubbing Plasma Gepards were the ultimate nightmare for non-pay-to-win players (in the low MM tiers of old). Even the innocent who got seal clubbed would buy their own Gepards and seek revenge for blood spilt by Magnum, the much sought for WSP weapon (indeed, WSP was the token currency, not this component fodder). And match after match, the seal clubbers would mercilessly harass my brother and sister beacon cappers, God bless their existence. Twenty-score days have passed since those times, and now the new seal clubbers named Orkan Haechis have burst onto the scene. But clubbers never change. Indeed, the eternal struggle between play to win players and pay to win players endures. However, my friend, paying to win is not cheating. As the eternal take-downer of seal clubbers of any build, I urge you to not give up. Get a cossa- oh wait no that’s not even close to the meta anymore. Save up for the mighty Taranasaurus Rog, the meta of years ago and the meta of the present. With this tool you can corner sustain down any dash bot, any build, any brain size, any wallet size. For the love of the old Taran Cossack, Keep sacking. deathpasito remember, skill always beats a fat wallet. |
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Post by deathpasito on Dec 19, 2017 18:42:30 GMT -5
okay okay okay, less salt and name calling, and we’ll be friends. Back in my day, then no-good seal clubbing Plasma Gepards were the ultimate nightmare for non-pay-to-win players (in the low MM tiers of old). Even the innocent who got seal clubbed would buy their own Gepards and seek revenge for blood spilt by Magnum, the much sought for WSP weapon (indeed, WSP was the token currency, not this component fodder). And match after match, the seal clubbers would mercilessly harass my brother and sister beacon cappers, God bless their existence. Twenty-score days have passed since those times, and now the new seal clubbers named Orkan Haechis have burst onto the scene. But clubbers never change. Indeed, the eternal struggle between play to win players and pay to win players endures. However, my friend, paying to win is not cheating. As the eternal take-downer of seal clubbers of any build, I urge you to not give up. Get a cossa- oh wait no that’s not even close to the meta anymore. Save up for the mighty Taranasaurus Rog, the meta of years ago and the meta of the present. With this tool you can corner sustain down any dash bot, any build, any brain size, any wallet size. For the love of the old Taran Cossack, Keep sacking. deathpasito remember, skill always beats a fat wallet. Money doesn’t buy happiness, flanking a Lancelot with a PDB griffin buys happiness  |
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Post by jesusmarley on Dec 23, 2017 9:28:55 GMT -5
okay okay okay, less salt and name calling, and we’ll be friends. Back in my day, then no-good seal clubbing Plasma Gepards were the ultimate nightmare for non-pay-to-win players (in the low MM tiers of old). Even the innocent who got seal clubbed would buy their own Gepards and seek revenge for blood spilt by Magnum, the much sought for WSP weapon (indeed, WSP was the token currency, not this component fodder). And match after match, the seal clubbers would mercilessly harass my brother and sister beacon cappers, God bless their existence. Twenty-score days have passed since those times, and now the new seal clubbers named Orkan Haechis have burst onto the scene. But clubbers never change. Indeed, the eternal struggle between play to win players and pay to win players endures. However, my friend, paying to win is not cheating. As the eternal take-downer of seal clubbers of any build, I urge you to not give up. Get a cossa- oh wait no that’s not even close to the meta anymore. Save up for the mighty Taranasaurus Rog, the meta of years ago and the meta of the present. With this tool you can corner sustain down any dash bot, any build, any brain size, any wallet size. For the love of the old Taran Cossack, Keep sacking. deathpasito When I first started playing, Getting a gep was easy and earnable pretty damn quick. Rog was a bit harder but doable, with a bit of patience. I love my Tarog to bits and I got it without spending a dime. Yeah, its a strong mech, as any Gold cost mech should be, but it is also well balanced. I've paid my dues against the clubbers and have pulled my way up to champ league. The new cheat bots are ridiculous. Super fast with armoured/shielded options, with 2 medium hardpoints on a Light! 3 on a medium or heavy. Compare the haecheat with say, a Galahad. Haecheat outclasses on hardpoints, speed, and health and protection. It chews through my Lance like it was made of wet toilet paper. In a stand up fight, I can go toe to toe with a Kumiho with my rog in an open space. I can dominate it with some cover. But that is a light vs. my medium. The Haecheat, which is a medium, can outclass almost any other mech on the field and in some cases I've seen it take out 6+ heavies before finally going down. As bad is all that is, it's almost impossible to earn one in game. unless you spend cash, you might get one a year from now. Now I've also stated that even if I did have one, I wouldn't use it. I stand by that. I think the entire line of bots are way too OP and they ruin the game. To top it off I can't even find a match now without at least 2 of the damn things showing up and stealing all the beacons. The game just isn't fun anymore. It used to be challenging but still enjoyable. Now the most challenging part is finding the will to log in and play knowing it'll be filled with douchcanoe cheaters in the moneybots. |
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Post by snake5431 on Dec 24, 2017 12:32:58 GMT -5
Another suggestion is a Taran magnum hover, it is very agile and can take a decent amount of damage(and can fly) i have one and it is a great bot
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Post by snake5431 on Dec 24, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
okay okay okay, less salt and name calling, and we’ll be friends. Back in my day, then no-good seal clubbing Plasma Gepards were the ultimate nightmare for non-pay-to-win players (in the low MM tiers of old). Even the innocent who got seal clubbed would buy their own Gepards and seek revenge for blood spilt by Magnum, the much sought for WSP weapon (indeed, WSP was the token currency, not this component fodder). And match after match, the seal clubbers would mercilessly harass my brother and sister beacon cappers, God bless their existence. Twenty-score days have passed since those times, and now the new seal clubbers named Orkan Haechis have burst onto the scene. But clubbers never change. Indeed, the eternal struggle between play to win players and pay to win players endures. However, my friend, paying to win is not cheating. As the eternal take-downer of seal clubbers of any build, I urge you to not give up. Get a cossa- oh wait no that’s not even close to the meta anymore. Save up for the mighty Taranasaurus Rog, the meta of years ago and the meta of the present. With this tool you can corner sustain down any dash bot, any build, any brain size, any wallet size. For the love of the old Taran Cossack, Keep sacking. deathpasito When I first started playing, Getting a gep was easy and earnable pretty damn quick. Rog was a bit harder but doable, with a bit of patience. I love my Tarog to bits and I got it without spending a dime. Yeah, its a strong mech, as any Gold cost mech should be, but it is also well balanced. I've paid my dues against the clubbers and have pulled my way up to champ league. The new cheat bots are ridiculous. Super fast with armoured/shielded options, with 2 medium hardpoints on a Light! 3 on a medium or heavy. Compare the haecheat with say, a Galahad. Haecheat outclasses on hardpoints, speed, and health and protection. It chews through my Lance like it was made of wet toilet paper. In a stand up fight, I can go toe to toe with a Kumiho with my rog in an open space. I can dominate it with some cover. But that is a light vs. my medium. The Haecheat, which is a medium, can outclass almost any other mech on the field and in some cases I've seen it take out 6+ heavies before finally going down. As bad is all that is, it's almost impossible to earn one in game. unless you spend cash, you might get one a year from now. Now I've also stated that even if I did have one, I wouldn't use it. I stand by that. I think the entire line of bots are way too OP and they ruin the game. To top it off I can't even find a match now without at least 2 of the damn things showing up and stealing all the beacons. The game just isn't fun anymore. It used to be challenging but still enjoyable. Now the most challenging part is finding the will to log in and play knowing it'll be filled with douchcanoe cheaters in the moneybots. What I find funny is how it isn’t actually that hard to beat a dash if you have any skill. Y r u tagging and calling people who use dash bots names? I don have a dash but I don’t get upset about that. It looks to me like your one of those people who finds an excuse to get upset and takes it out on others. This is a server to talk about ways to beat dash bots, not to rage about them noob. |
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Post by deathpasito on Dec 25, 2017 4:56:04 GMT -5
When I first started playing, Getting a gep was easy and earnable pretty damn quick. Rog was a bit harder but doable, with a bit of patience. I love my Tarog to bits and I got it without spending a dime. Yeah, its a strong mech, as any Gold cost mech should be, but it is also well balanced. I've paid my dues against the clubbers and have pulled my way up to champ league. The new cheat bots are ridiculous. Super fast with armoured/shielded options, with 2 medium hardpoints on a Light! 3 on a medium or heavy. Compare the haecheat with say, a Galahad. Haecheat outclasses on hardpoints, speed, and health and protection. It chews through my Lance like it was made of wet toilet paper. In a stand up fight, I can go toe to toe with a Kumiho with my rog in an open space. I can dominate it with some cover. But that is a light vs. my medium. The Haecheat, which is a medium, can outclass almost any other mech on the field and in some cases I've seen it take out 6+ heavies before finally going down. As bad is all that is, it's almost impossible to earn one in game. unless you spend cash, you might get one a year from now. Now I've also stated that even if I did have one, I wouldn't use it. I stand by that. I think the entire line of bots are way too OP and they ruin the game. To top it off I can't even find a match now without at least 2 of the damn things showing up and stealing all the beacons. The game just isn't fun anymore. It used to be challenging but still enjoyable. Now the most challenging part is finding the will to log in and play knowing it'll be filled with douchcanoe cheaters in the moneybots. What I find funny is how it isn’t actually that hard to beat a dash if you have any skill. Y r u tagging and calling people who use dash bots names? I don have a dash but I don’t get upset about that. It looks to me like your one of those people who finds an excuse to get upset and takes it out on others. This is a server to talk about ways to beat dash bots, not to rage about them noob. Looks to me like you’re trying to pick a fight with someone with reasonable logic and a genuine reason to be upset. I don’t think he was calling anyone names, but you’re calling him a noob... if you have some good information to share, I’d love to hear it, but fightpicking isn’t what the quote button is for. It’s what the direct messages are for. You don’t know how good he actually is. |
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Post by asie on Dec 25, 2017 5:06:22 GMT -5
I wanted to introduce a fujin, put three tarans on it (level 11 all), updated the bot to lev 9, but it is still extremely slow, anyone with plasma could kill me, esp. ancilots. I hated it, so I switched to another db Rhino, lets see how this works.
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Post by jesusmarley on Dec 25, 2017 11:36:36 GMT -5
What I find funny is how it isn’t actually that hard to beat a dash if you have any skill. Y r u tagging and calling people who use dash bots names? I don have a dash but I don’t get upset about that. It looks to me like your one of those people who finds an excuse to get upset and takes it out on others. This is a server to talk about ways to beat dash bots, not to rage about them noob. I've already laid out my reasoning but I'll do it again and I'll type slow just for you. Using an OP bot, knowing how game breaking it is, is cheating. It's using an unfair advantage in order to win. Plain and simple. if you use a dashbot, you are a cheater. I don't see it as any different than the guy I fought recently whose Ancile didn't even budge after taking a full Orkan at 50m. It's unfortunate that their use has forced so many people to acquire one just to remain competitive. That alone should be enough evidence to show just how damaging the dashbots are to the game. That said, I still play, but I refuse to even consider using one. Does my score suffer as a result? Yes it does. I went from regularly finishing in top 3, ususally in first place, to maybe getting 3rd 60% of the time. It sucks, but thats the price I pay for choosing to not cheat. In the end though, if you are OK with cheaters, that's your choice. You do you. |
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Post by piginapoke on Jan 3, 2018 5:41:19 GMT -5
What abuse would that be then? Wait! You screaming abuse showering your tablet/phone/computer with spittle as the veins in your forhead bulge and turn purple and your jagular vein starts pulsating as you go in a hissy fit because a dashbot nuked you? Is that it? I can live with that. I can live with that standing on my head. The simple fact is that the dash bots are OP. Anyone who uses a dash bot, knowing they are OP are nothing but cheaters. They have to have an unfair advantage in order to win. I've stated it previously that the dash bots are the worst mistake that Pix has made with this game. I have zero interest in them. If I won one tomorrow, it would never be used as I refuse to cheat even if given the opportunity. So, you go ahead there buddy, and brag about how awesome you are in your Haecheat. It sure took you a while to latch on to my post Marley ( a couple of months). Yes, I am awesome. I can live with that too. If you can't , that's your problem not mine. Have a good day, or don't, what the hell ever. |
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Post by moflete on Jan 3, 2018 9:42:11 GMT -5
Of course, very situational, but I am killing haechis and kumihos like never before with my Zarnage. Bulgasaris too, as long as they don't show me their awful side-fin.
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Post by gundam69 on Jan 16, 2018 5:26:36 GMT -5
Intersting post, tnx!
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Post by darthbooboo on Jan 23, 2018 22:18:16 GMT -5
I've been using a Russian DB against dashes. Most dash bot users will use cover until they have regenerated their dashes so I can hit them with the splash damage all day long. You will also bypass the Bulgi's shield to hit it with damage too. I do have a problem with the Hachi's shield as I can usually take it down with a full load of missiles so the damage is not as great as i'm then having to wait for missiles to reload so it takes a little longer to take down a Hachi.
I try and keep the 500m range since most of the dash's have orkans or tarans so they can't hit you. Just watch out for them to dash forward to attempt to close the range.
My second bot is a Aphid DB. Great at hitting the hiding DB's and I can usually take down the Hachi shield with one salvo of Aphids, then I can jump over and nail it with the orkans.
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Post by Armaros on Jan 31, 2018 3:58:07 GMT -5
Something that has happened to me quite a few times now is encountering a Dash bot enemy with an energy weapon while I'm using my Shotgun (Storm+Gust) Rhino. I rise the shield and hunt them down to close range, then shred them to pieces. The Rhino might not be as agile as the Dash bots, but this tactic works (well,at least for me) if you can utilise the landscape, in maps like Dead City, Power Plant and Dreadnought. I'm having lots of fun chasing Shocktrain equipped Bulgasaris! :3
Of course this won't work if the enemy is carrying Orkans (duh).
The Shotgun setup is also great for taking down the shield of a Haechi.
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Post by Tatamat on Jan 31, 2018 4:29:33 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb idea, but has someone tried Natasha 2xAncile + 2xGust or Magnum as anti Ork Dash bot?
The idea is not to be touched by Orkans much and either hurt Dash bit by bit, or slowly push him away from selected territory (while protecting teammates which might bring some shielded bot in front of you to protect from energy weps).
Giving example for Haechi, where it seems most interesting (but Bulg has 3x medium wep as well).
Using lvl 12 numbers for reference, but valid for equal levels.
3xOrkan: 3x60.480 =181 k damage in the burst, damage flow 181/23=7.9 k/s
2xAncile: 2x95=190 k initial strength, recharging at 2*2.85=5.7 k/s, thus 2.2 k/s reaching the bot in continuous exchange
Haechi shield: 68 k, recharging assumed at 5%, i.e. 3.4 k/s.
2xGust on Naty: 2x10 k/s for 8s, then 2x5 k/s. Depleting the shield in 4 s, then another 4s i.e. 80 k to be dealt (theoretically,will be lower) and continuously overpowering Haechi Ancile by 6.6 k/s.
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2xMagnum: 8 k/s. If Heachi appears for 3 s necessary to fire Orkans, that's theoretically 24 k.
The only drawback is that Haechi's Orkans will be full in 23s while Naty's Ancile in 33s, that's 10 s of hiding.
Don't have that much problems with Dash bots myself and if, they're way higher level than mine, so probably won't try it myself.
Any ideas?
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Post by DarkVagabond on Jan 31, 2018 7:07:07 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb idea, but has someone tried Natasha 2xAncile + 2xGust or Magnum as anti Ork Dash bot? The idea is not to be touched by Orkans much and either hurt Dash bit by bit, or slowly push him away from selected territory (while protecting teammates which might bring some shielded bot in front of you to protect from energy weps). Giving example for Haechi, where it seems most interesting (but Bulg has 3x medium wep as well). Using lvl 12 numbers for reference, but valid for equal levels. 3xOrkan: 3x60.480 =181 k damage in the burst, damage flow 181/23=7.9 k/s 2xAncile: 2x95=190 k initial strength, recharging at 2*2.85=5.7 k/s, thus 2.2 k/s reaching the bot in continuous exchange Haechi shield: 68 k, recharging assumed at 5%, i.e. 3.4 k/s. 2xGust on Naty: 2x10 k/s for 8s, then 2x5 k/s. Depleting the shield in 4 s, then another 4s i.e. 80 k to be dealt (theoretically,will be lower) and continuously overpowering Haechi Ancile by 6.6 k/s. or 2xMagnum: 8 k/s. If Heachi appears for 3 s necessary to fire Orkans, that's theoretically 24 k. The only drawback is that Haechi's Orkans will be full in 23s while Naty's Ancile in 33s, that's 10 s of hiding. Don't have that much problems with Dash bots myself and if, they're way higher level than mine, so probably won't try it myself. Any ideas? Hi TatamatSaw your response on Aurora Discord and thought I would respond here. Believe it or not, Orkan Dashbots aren’t necessarily the toughest to deal with. At least in Champion League, there are more Mk2 Taran Haechis roaming around than their Orkan counterparts, simply because the majority of bots are running Ancile shields and the Tarans in combination with the dash can quickly take down any bot that is already engaged with another target. Coupled with the multitude of Shocktrain Bulgasaris at top tier, I cannot see any attributes of a double Ancile Natasha that would tempt me to even give it a try in Champion League. Which leaves us with Diamond to Master League. Most really talented dash pilots get bored very quickly at lower tiers, so many of the ones which tank down there aren’t necessarily as skilled. I still think the best f2p options against Haechis are Zeus Fury/Carnage, Tarancilot, PDB Griffin and Taran Rogatka/Hover. Best f2p options against a short range Bulgasari are RDB/DB Griffin, Orkancilot, Orkan Rog and maybe Tulu Fujin/Doc. Best options against Shocktrain Bulgasari are Trident Fury/Carnage, Tempest Fury/Carnage, Tempest Molot Natasha or even Trident Pin Natty. Without some talented teammates, these options are still subpar against dashbots as you’ll probably get outcapped, but at least it means they can’t bot you out within 3 minutes without you at least taking some of them with you and having some brawlers available for the inevitable spawn raid. Unfortunately the whole point of dashbots is there is no real counter to them, hence the state of the game. However all is not lost. It IS still possible to progress up the leagues in a dashbot rich environment, but it almost always requires a beacon capper/midrange support hangar. That way you can take advantage of the extra League points from capping the most beacons and you can deal reasonable damage by using one strong midranger while your stronger teammates push territory. Knowing when in the match to drop your strongest brawler and to always run it with teammates alongside is also critical. Mastering these skills in combination with each other can get you to Champion League without having all lvl 12 equipment, even when faced with Mk2 squads. I am proof of this. @dreamweaver is also a good example of doing more with less in your hangar. DV  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 7:17:56 GMT -5
Mastering these skills in combination with each other can get you to Champion League without having all lvl 12 equipment, even when faced with Mk2 squads. I am proof of this. @dreamweaver is also a good example of doing more with less in your hangar. DV Thank you DarkVagabond for your kind words I agree with you that you can reach Champions League without Dash bots. This month I've been able to get my first winged cups (well, they're only 26 but they will be more, hopefully!) with the following hangar: - L10/10 Zeus Fury - L10/10 Taran Ancilot - L9/9 Plasma Griffin - L9/9.5 DB Griffin (Orkans are L10) - L9/9.5 DB Rhino (Orkans are L10) The Zeus Fury helped me A LOT to avoid all those -22 and -17 when I lose. It deals tons of damage, it's durable and you can use it on small maps too: zap some reds, guard beacons and be ready to ditch it when it's needed. The Ancilot is probably the only bot I can use to push for beacons. Of course I have to be very aware and always stay near cover (keep your Rush ready!!!) but this bot is strong enough to help me having good results. Very good if you stick with your teammates with it. The PDB Griffin is excellent against Ork Haechis and Kumihos. It's usually my first bot in small maps because it's versatile and it allows me to face different situations and escape when necessary. Best used as a flanker. The DB Griffin/Rhino are very good to spawn on top of enemies or to clear a beacon. The Rhino is also good for taking centre beacon in Yamantau and against Plasma Bulgasari if they're not too smart. They usually don't last as long as other bots, but they can deal tons of damage and if you are careful you can kill 2 or 3 reds with them. So, this is what I use to try to compete against Dash bots without Dash bots. I can't say I'm having excellent results, because I'm usually in 3rd or 4th position, but sometimes I outscore everyone and it's a good feeling. I'm maintaining an average dmg of 600k, which is really good for me. Hope my comment could help someone! |
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Post by RP1972 on Feb 1, 2018 12:02:43 GMT -5
Team work , usually every one turns to the dash robot , so it’s not hard but with a couple of Orkans and some pacience you can destroy any Haechi or bulgasari, they are disappointing fragile
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Post by DarkVagabond on Feb 1, 2018 12:09:42 GMT -5
Team work , usually every one turns to the dash robot , so it’s not hard but with a couple of Orkans and some pacience you can destroy any Haechi or bulgasari, they are disappointing fragile Have to disagree with them being fragile. Chances are if someone is finding them disappointingly fragile, they just aren’t using them effectively. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:59:11 GMT -5
Team work , usually every one turns to the dash robot , so it’s not hard but with a couple of Orkans and some pacience you can destroy any Haechi or bulgasari, they are disappointing fragile Again...the Bulgasari has 190.000 HP and a shield with 304.000 HP at L12 Mk1, which translates in 228.000 - 364.000 HP at L12 Mk2. Please, tell me how can it be considered fragile? I really don't get it. The same applies for the Haechi, which obviously has less HP than its bigger brother but it's incredibly durable too, especially considering its mobility and firepower. |
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Post by mobiuswr on Feb 1, 2018 15:15:35 GMT -5
Simple now. Shocktrain Spectre (it doesnt dash it "decends")
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Post by mechagodzilla777 on Feb 3, 2018 18:32:16 GMT -5
A plasma/ember Lance or Inquisitor work well if you catch them off guard.
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Post by RP1972 on Feb 6, 2018 5:01:03 GMT -5
Team work , usually every one turns to the dash robot , so it’s not hard but with a couple of Orkans and some pacience you can destroy any Haechi or bulgasari, they are disappointing fragile Again...the Bulgasari has 190.000 HP and a shield with 304.000 HP at L12 Mk1, which translates in 228.000 - 364.000 HP at L12 Mk2. Please, tell me how can it be considered fragile? I really don't get it. The same applies for the Haechi, which obviously has less HP than its bigger brother but it's incredibly durable too, especially considering its mobility and firepower. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:53:23 GMT -5
This only works up to EIII
(I've plummeted down in leagues because of the current event).
Bulgasari and Kuminho I counter with Trident Carnage. It's not oerfect, and if the dash really wants you dead, 1 v 1 you're dead. But I reckon I come out the winner more times than not.
I've found Haechi the toughest to counter, but my Zeus Carnage replicates the previous paragraph.
Honestly though, my best counter is to just run away (Carniebaby is great at this) and focus on a different red. I'm not being flippant, no point taking a spoon to a shooting range. ?
IMO, the dashes are indeed OP in the right hands, but I wouldn't consider them cheating. Cheating to me is breaking the rules, and I really don't think they are.
If I encounter a ST dash guess what I do? I just exit the match. Doesn't matter if its blue or red.
Because 「fluffernutter」 that 「dookie」
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Post by Foolish Orang on Mar 3, 2018 8:50:31 GMT -5
I usually waste 2 bots for haechi. Fortunately i don't see more than maybe 2-3 in a game. Maybe i get a second rog. Been thinking about taran one. In my current league i perhaps can excuse 2 rogs... Ya - Until this seal clubber enters your gold battle...   Until similar seal clubber enters your bronze league |
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Post by admiralyangwenli on Mar 7, 2018 19:45:45 GMT -5
I just wanna say I registered this account just to post this thought I had. I enjoy reading this forum and love playing war robots. But something lately has occurred to me. Yes, we all know how OP dash bots are. But have you noticed how strange they are? Their janky movements? The way they unnaturally glide across the screen? Their aesthetics seem to not entirely fit in with the environment. They seem out of place. In fact, more and more I just ignore them. I shudder as that bulbous triple-shocktrain Bulgasari slides out from behind cover. I don't fear its weapons. I will simply avoid it knowing how futile it is taking it head on. I think this confuses and angers the players to some extent. Can't I see that they have a strong robot? Will I not accept their dominance and fight to my death? No, I'll go after the Griffin, or the Fujin, or something I can actually deal with and look at without feeling like I'm fighting the Penny Wise version of a robot. I only will engage one of these monsters on my terms, From afar or while they are weakened. The Kumiho looks like a demented swollen ostrich on roller skates. I feel uneasy when I see one speed across my screen. Movements unnatural like some sick gangly marionette. I destroy them not for my own survival in-game, but just so myself and other players can stop looking at them. Can't wait to get one myself  |
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Post by thexiith on Mar 9, 2018 12:11:22 GMT -5
I just wanna say I registered this account just to post this thought I had. I enjoy reading this forum and love playing war robots. But something lately has occurred to me. Yes, we all know how OP dash bots are. But have you noticed how strange they are? Their janky movements? The way they unnaturally glide across the screen? Their aesthetics seem to not entirely fit in with the environment. They seem out of place. In fact, more and more I just ignore them. I shudder as that bulbous triple-shocktrain Bulgasari slides out from behind cover. I don't fear its weapons. I will simply avoid it knowing how futile it is taking it head on. I think this confuses and angers the players to some extent. Can't I see that they have a strong robot? Will I not accept their dominance and fight to my death? No, I'll go after the Griffin, or the Fujin, or something I can actually deal with and look at without feeling like I'm fighting the Penny Wise version of a robot. I only will engage one of these monsters on my terms, From afar or while they are weakened. The Kumiho looks like a demented swollen ostrich on roller skates. I feel uneasy when I see one speed across my screen. Movements unnatural like some sick gangly marionette. I destroy them not for my own survival in-game, but just so myself and other players can stop looking at them. Can't wait to get one myself The movements and oddball design were actually intentional. If you read the war robots post about the making of the dashbots. You'll see what i mean... also. Plasma weapons and rockets tend to eat most dash bots easily as long as you know what you're doing. |
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Post by Dejnov on Mar 9, 2018 15:04:59 GMT -5
Hi Tatamat Saw your response on Aurora Discord and thought I would respond here. Believe it or not, Orkan Dashbots aren’t necessarily the toughest to deal with. At least in Champion League, there are more Mk2 Taran Haechis roaming around than their Orkan counterparts, simply because the majority of bots are running Ancile shields and the Tarans in combination with the dash can quickly take down any bot that is already engaged with another target. Coupled with the multitude of Shocktrain Bulgasaris at top tier, I cannot see any attributes of a double Ancile Natasha that would tempt me to even give it a try in Champion League. Which leaves us with Diamond to Master League. Most really talented dash pilots get bored very quickly at lower tiers, so many of the ones which tank down there aren’t necessarily as skilled. I still think the best f2p options against Haechis are Zeus Fury/Carnage, Tarancilot, PDB Griffin and Taran Rogatka/Hover. Best f2p options against a short range Bulgasari are RDB/DB Griffin, Orkancilot, Orkan Rog and maybe Tulu Fujin/Doc. Best options against Shocktrain Bulgasari are Trident Fury/Carnage, Tempest Fury/Carnage, Tempest Molot Natasha or even Trident Pin Natty. Without some talented teammates, these options are still subpar against dashbots as you’ll probably get outcapped, but at least it means they can’t bot you out within 3 minutes without you at least taking some of them with you and having some brawlers available for the inevitable spawn raid. Unfortunately the whole point of dashbots is there is no real counter to them, hence the state of the game. However all is not lost. It IS still possible to progress up the leagues in a dashbot rich environment, but it almost always requires a beacon capper/midrange support hangar. That way you can take advantage of the extra League points from capping the most beacons and you can deal reasonable damage by using one strong midranger while your stronger teammates push territory. Knowing when in the match to drop your strongest brawler and to always run it with teammates alongside is also critical. Mastering these skills in combination with each other can get you to Champion League without having all lvl 12 equipment, even when faced with Mk2 squads. I am proof of this. @dreamweaver is also a good example of doing more with less in your hangar. DV
So Dark Vagabond did a very good job of laying out options against dash bots and how to proceed to through to the higher leagues including all the way to Champion. I just want to tell you, from personal experience, that you can get to Champion League in just a hangar full of Griffins. The hangar I initially took to Champion (just 1.5 months ago) was 4 Griffins and a single Ancilot. I was even successful in sticking around the whole month with no real issue.
I think the biggest thing you need to do to get and to stay in Champion league is to focus on high dps options and the PDB Griffin is one of the best options that you put on the battle field that can hang in Champion. DB Griffins can also, but there should be a focus on plasma to get and to maintain capability in Champion. A simple fairly cost effective hangar of 2 DB Griffins, 2 PDB Griffins and 1 Taran Ancilot OR Zeus Fury should get you there.
Best of Luck!!
Dejnov.
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