Anti-Dash tactics (That don't require another Dash)

Don't get your panties in a twist trying to kill the dash bots. They are a curiosity right now because they are new, but any weapon you used to counter carnages and fujins will kill the haechi and weapons against Lancelots will kill the bulgasari. They are not invincible by any means.

If u want to win, it still boils down to teamwork and constant awareness and battle oversight. I have seen like 4 to 5 players all drawn to killing a single haechi leaving the field wide open for the rest of the reds to command. Just find good cover near a beacon and keep a look out for the haechi like you would for cossack and other fast bots and wait for them to come to you instead of going after them. Patience kills the dash bots.

Agreed. What I've learned from piloting my Bulg, is that it isn't the dash drive that sets it apart. Yes, it's technically a dash bot. But with its firepower, massive shield hp's, and 40kph walking speed, what it really is, is a juggernaut. I don't fear plasma wielders in mine; the shield will soak up a ton of plasma. What I try to avoid is the point blank rocket fight (which bulg can usually win only one of). When you can use the shield effectively, and use dash to advance, you can take out a lot of bots with Bulg. Cover ? I carry my own cover on the left arm

Right so, here is the deal, if you are out and about and see a red Bulgasari with the name 'Sean H....' floating above it, you can't try any of this, you just have to roll over, if it's not one of my two, have a go with the following (some fairly encounter specific, but might be of use):

- it is vulnerable to splash, dash is some what effective at getting away from DB,s but not good RDB pilots. Fire a few rockets until its spends the two dashes, it will probably use the two straight away to get out of the splash radius. Once they are used it has a 15 sec cool down, that is forever if you have it in range.

- the shield is really strong, unless it's already taken a beating, fresh, in a one on one it won't blow off with whatever you have before the Bulgarasi dreads you. Mine has taken loads of max fury Zeus bolts, trebs, all the tarans you can throw at it. It does come off but not easy. Wait, hold your fire for when it's vulnerable. With the exception of the scourge trick it has to face you to fire, it's a vulnerable as any bot then. I often show the shield to bots wait for them to waste a barrage on it and nail them during their reload. Far more disconcerting to deal with the guys who are holding fire, waiting. Perhaps try faking reloads?

- I generally run Orkans on one and Tarans on the other. The Taran build is not great in 1on 1' s with shield bots. I won't take on a Brit bot willingly in it, they have the advantage, they can shoot and utilise the shield, I have to expose myself to shoot.

- Tarancilots are easy meat for the Orkan build, show them the shield and walk / Dash into the bubble and unload. If you are in one don't advance, back pedal, it will probably still catch you, but it does make it a lot harder, I might not bother.

-In the Orkan build I will try and avoid anything with a Orkan / ancile combo, those guys definitely have the edge. If you find yourself in that position I'll try and get you to waste an Orkan barrage and get inside you shield on reload, don,t fall for it. I have to get inside you bubble so just sit back and wait for me to try.

- the reason why I might not bother if you are back peddling is that while the shield is very strong it is hard to use and limits you vision of half the field when using it. Very easy to get blind sided when using it, so I certainly won't use it for extended chasing unless I am 100% sure it's a straight one on one, with no support anywhere around.

- Thunder carnages, if you have one, don't shoot the shield of a healthy Bulgarasi. They do damage around the shield but not much, I have had many try to do the normal carnage thing of run right up to you and unload point blank, the shield keeps me mostly in one piece for the run up, then once you have gotten me inside your ancile shield And most of your burst potential is wasted on the shield, I melt you. You shield is a massive advantage, don't nullify it.

- if I am stalking you with the shield to you, circle to your right straight away, it makes my life a lot harder. I can't see where you are going, I start getting nervous.

- when we are in a close knife fight, again circle right, harder for me to shoot.

- had a few stalkers try that ol get behind the lance trick, won't work on me buddy, I'm far more nibble and can just dash straight back and blast you.

- no matter who you are, a Bulgasari is better at corner shooting, don't play that game with them.

- ancilot is my best buddy, if you see the two of us together just run away, won't end well for you.

So that's all I got, if I die anymore horrible deaths I'll let you know. Remember, you can't do any of the above to me, that would be just mean.

Sean

Having faced the korean bot threat, there dash ability has become a challenge for certain. But tactics wise, i have never played to that one on one mentality. Head on encounters are done only when i have my teammates with me. Otherwise its always using flank tactics or slowly capturing position using cover.

seanh excellent summary! Matches most of my experience spot on, except for the bit about the Carnage. I find that even if I'm turning my shield to face a Carnage, it's sill doing a lot of damage to me, and there's a higher change that my legs will get damaged too. Maybe the Carnage is circling to his right as you suggested? Anyway, when I see a Carnage, I still prefer to blast his shield with a full load of orkans, hit the bot underneath and then dash to cover. So, on the flip side, if you're in the Carnage going 1v1 with a Bulg, and you start far enough away so that you KNOW he's seen you, let him shoot his load on your ancile, wait for him to dash to cover - try to anticipate where he will dash to, and then rush him and let loose with twin thunders.

I haven't seen enough Haechis to work up a strategy against them. I know they are tough opponents and the usual tactic of charging into the ancile won't work against a careful pilot. Sure plasma will work, but with a Haechi's speed, it can cover that last 50m advantage, unleash orkans and dash away. Sure, you'll do some damage, but the damage will be in his favour. I still think teamwork is the best method. If you see a Haechi, do whatever you can to help out. For example, if you're in a punisher build, start whittling down the shield. If you're in a plasma build, then buck up, you're taking the brunt of the attack so you better get your licks in fast. If you're in a rocket build, wait for a team mate to strip the shield and then wait for it to dash, and the go to town with your rockets.

I've only nailed a few Kumiho. Despite all the moaning and groaning about the dash bots, they're still pretty rare. The Kumihos I've seen have pilots who are in love with their dashes, so I waited until they've dashed twice before firing. Plus, if you're in a DB build, I know the usual tactic is to melt the target as fast as possible. Can't do that against a Kumiho. What worked for me was short bursts until I was sure the Kumiho was stuck in cooldown and then letting it have the rest of my rockets.

What's the scourge trick on the Bulg? will all the scourges keep targeting and shoot over the Bulg's head? If so, then I REALLY need to get some scourges! Too bad I've already hit the most I'm willing to spend this month on this game!

That is awesome, and would really change the game for me and my Bulg! Dang, now I want 3 scourges! That's probably how the developers envisioned the Bulg would be played. Turn your body to use your shield, and let your turreted scourges turn and fire.

I've had some small success against the Dash bots. SO far, the only thing in my hanger (non premium hanger set up) that I've found is useful against the Dash bots are the same tactics I use against carnages. I try to engage the dash bots (just not the big one) with my Zeuss Carny. Keeping them at distance is key, as is using my rush ability to maneuver vs escape or engage. The double Zeuss does a good amount of damage to them each shot, and the lock on it keeps the dash from getting out of the way from the bolt. The ancile of the Carnage helps to defray the damage from the orkans that typically are mounted on those things, and the rush ability allows me to keep to the cover area where I can still deal out damage to them. It's not a fool proof way, and it's not one that is the best way, but for those who don't have the money for premium buys, it's a way to combat.

Definitely.

Never play fair with them.  Don't play them one on one with full health.  Keep away from them, until you can mug them.

Take them on from the air.

Take them on when they have already lost some of their health.

Take them on when they are not looking.

Take them on when they are busy with one of your team mates.

Take them on when they are one and you are many.

Take them on when your weapons have better range.

Treb them, Gekko them, Noricum them, Zenit them, Zeus them, Nashorn them, Kang Dae them.

I'll try not to repeat previous tactic mentions. Please forgive any repetition.

1) Take note of pilot names that dash, then hunt them and try to stay aware of their location even when engaging other opponents

2) If in voice squad, call out those names to your teammates and which Dash if you know

3) Back away but stay within range to hit, but try to hit from a distance rather than close up

4) With Orkans, work on Ancile reduction without unloading full salvo. Let Orkans recharge, then unload full salvo on em.

5) When firing, be ready to quickly stop the second they dash, move aiming crosshairs to dash finish point and fire again. But, because there are two dashes and you may not know if they have one or two on tap, after moving aim and fire to the dash end point, be ready to quickly repeat process in case they had a second dash on tap.

6) If you are asailed by more than one, quickly note which one has less health. Even if they both have full health, it is important to focus fire exclusively only on one of them - the one that is easiest to kill according to target/weapon match - to try and eliminate the multiple threat factor for your team: one less Dash will ease battle difficulty.

7) Replace thinking they're OP and invincible with confidence they can be eliminated. I will admit that the crews with nearly full Dash hangars are OP, but only a few or one on one is not necessarily insurmountable if you use wise battle tactics

8) Breathe more deeply. It is easy to feel over-urgent and make abrupt or hasty decisions when they get near. Deeper breathing has many physiological and mental effects and has been used by soldiers for thousands of years as a means to maintain clear thinking in the thick of battle, so do it.

Breathing more deeply helps you to learn one of the most important piloting skills of this war game: how to wait. Others have touched on that so I will say no more.

May the fierce be with you!

Thats one of the reasons to leave lower leagues as soon as possible. Leveling is biatch ofc. But with a bit excessive playcount for premium silver and rushing with gold here and there the biatch is melting.

what is the best weapon to counter the dashbots?

What about the plasma Rhino?
It has both more forepower and more hp than the Haechi. And it can shoot at it while shielded, forcing it to use the dash if it's an open space 1v1.

P.s. hello to everyone, I am new to the forums

These Hitachis tend to be quite confident. Or so it seems. And ofc everyone goes berserk, when they see one, so they die fast. Does not necessarily apply to smart dasher.
My winningspree has been quite outrageous lately, so i expect a hard bombardement coming soon... Dashsquad as opponents would be nice... MM is kinda funny last few days, too many dumb bots and laazers.