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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 6:11:00 GMT -5
Oh they're good alright. Take the Haechi for instance, at max compared to say a Fujin it has 7K more Ancille, 36Kph more speed, with Orkans vs thunder 50% higher DPS @ 0m, a sh*t tin higher @300m, and a higher cycle DPS. Even without dash, they have an overmatched damage at an overmatched range. They can take more on the shield then take more to the hull. They'll walk in quicker too in fact nearly all the stats of a Lv 8 Haechi is better than a maxed Carnage.... Which is why I love taking them out with a Lv 9 carnarge...because it can only mean one thing... . yeah I'm pretty sure Haechi is OP (as I've argued in a number of threads) - the other two are really good but don't seem that overpowered. A bit maybe, but the Haechi definitely seems to be the best of the bunch. Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 6:20:45 GMT -5
The wheel has now given me two Bulgasari. Not to seam ungrateful to the wheel I thought I should really run them both. So one with Orkans the other Tarans (Upgrading a third Tulu to give that a go/ might try pun’s after that). Some general observations for dashing about in iOS Expert: - I don’t think these things are OP. - Has been said a few times before but this is not an alternative to Lance, it’s a slightly different, slightly stronger griffin. - Its shield is hard to get used to. It is very strong have not lost it yet at all. Have used it many times to deal with with loan snipers. Taken multiple max’ed treb blasts, let gikkos burn away on it for a good long while, max zues Fury etc. All while walking / dashing all the way up to the source . There are two issues with it. Firstly you have to face off at a 60 degree angle to use it, so can’t return fire when using it, but you also can’t see the red or what other reds are doing anywhere to the left of the one firing on you. Anyone coming to support the sniper etc. Second issue is using it effectively in a melee is hard, certainly above my current skill levels to use it constantly when stuff is coming off the rails. - I have found far more success using the dash defensively as opposed to offensively. Could well be a skill deficit issue, but like a griffin best keep the special ability it for a quick exit. And you really need them both for a proper evacuation. In proper one on ones with a slow opponent you can dash in shoot and dash out. But the actual dash is quite short, even a moderately mobile red will quickly have you back in range from a single dash. - Like a griffin, if you can pair with a blue ancilot you can do some damage. - You can turn while dashing, but still finding that a bit erratic. - When running the orkans I have no fear of tarancilots at all. If they are on their own you can take them down constantly, only taking moderate damage. (If you are packing taran’s the lance will win that one). - Against other dashes, kumiho is too fast, really hard to catch. Anyone to date that has stood and fought I could handle. But they just vanish, then a minute later melt you while your engaged with something else. Haichi’s, if they are packing Taran’s easy. If you both have Orkans Haichi’s got a clear advantage. I have managed t a few times, but not easy and mostly dumb luck and circumstance. - A good RDB pilot will end you fast. - Weapons pop off kind of easy. Final point, I could not imagine me leaving a lance out of the hanger in favour of this guy, they currently have the griffin slots. Not sure if I will keep running them both as knifers, but its definitely a griff v Bulgasari decision. Yep. It's strong. Probably better than griffin. Not an ancilot. I think they are OP, in the sense that a stalker is OP compared to a destrier. That being said, I don't find the stalker difficult to deal with. I feel bad for destrier, because they have no value. All money sunk into them is wasted. So for me, I scratch my head at this design decision. It doesn't really fill a new role. It just murders griffin slots.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 6:23:29 GMT -5
yeah I'm pretty sure Haechi is OP (as I've argued in a number of threads) - the other two are really good but don't seem that overpowered. A bit maybe, but the Haechi definitely seems to be the best of the bunch. Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared. It's all of the above. I consider myself pretty good with it. But it goes down about the same as a griffin. I should clarify. It's in my opinion better than a griffin. But I found Griffins to be squishy Score boosters anyway.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 6:24:46 GMT -5
The wheel has now given me two Bulgasari. Not to seam ungrateful to the wheel I thought I should really run them both. So one with Orkans the other Tarans (Upgrading a third Tulu to give that a go/ might try pun’s after that). Some general observations for dashing about in iOS Expert: - I don’t think these things are OP. - Has been said a few times before but this is not an alternative to Lance, it’s a slightly different, slightly stronger griffin. - Its shield is hard to get used to. It is very strong have not lost it yet at all. Have used it many times to deal with with loan snipers. Taken multiple max’ed treb blasts, let gikkos burn away on it for a good long while, max zues Fury etc. All while walking / dashing all the way up to the source . There are two issues with it. Firstly you have to face off at a 60 degree angle to use it, so can’t return fire when using it, but you also can’t see the red or what other reds are doing anywhere to the left of the one firing on you. Anyone coming to support the sniper etc. Second issue is using it effectively in a melee is hard, certainly above my current skill levels to use it constantly when stuff is coming off the rails. - I have found far more success using the dash defensively as opposed to offensively. Could well be a skill deficit issue, but like a griffin best keep the special ability it for a quick exit. And you really need them both for a proper evacuation. In proper one on ones with a slow opponent you can dash in shoot and dash out. But the actual dash is quite short, even a moderately mobile red will quickly have you back in range from a single dash. - Like a griffin, if you can pair with a blue ancilot you can do some damage. - You can turn while dashing, but still finding that a bit erratic. - When running the orkans I have no fear of tarancilots at all. If they are on their own you can take them down constantly, only taking moderate damage. (If you are packing taran’s the lance will win that one). - Against other dashes, kumiho is too fast, really hard to catch. Anyone to date that has stood and fought I could handle. But they just vanish, then a minute later melt you while your engaged with something else. Haichi’s, if they are packing Taran’s easy. If you both have Orkans Haichi’s got a clear advantage. I have managed t a few times, but not easy and mostly dumb luck and circumstance. - A good RDB pilot will end you fast. - Weapons pop off kind of easy. Final point, I could not imagine me leaving a lance out of the hanger in favour of this guy, they currently have the griffin slots. Not sure if I will keep running them both as knifers, but its definitely a griff v Bulgasari decision. Yep. It's strong. Probably better than griffin. Not an ancilot. I think they are OP, in the sense that a stalker is OP compared to a destrier. That being said, I don't find the stalker difficult to deal with. I feel bad for destrier, because they have no value. All money sunk into them is wasted. So for me, I scratch my head at this design decision. It doesn't really fill a new role. It just murders griffin slots. If it was on par with a Griffin. How on earth were they going to tax hundreds of players that haven't used currency in the past? Gotta make it better than the rest and close to impossible to obtain free.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 6:28:53 GMT -5
Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared. It's all of the above. I consider myself pretty good with it. But it goes down about the same as a griffin. I should clarify. It's in my opinion better than a griffin. But I found Griffins to be squishy Score boosters anyway. If you're using one as an RDB, try walking into range, fire, turn armored cheek then withdraw using dash, straight back using the dash. The odds are you have more HP than your oppo. And you can walk away faster than they can advance.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 6:31:44 GMT -5
It's all of the above. I consider myself pretty good with it. But it goes down about the same as a griffin. I should clarify. It's in my opinion better than a griffin. But I found Griffins to be squishy Score boosters anyway. If you're using one as an RDB, try walking into range, fire, turn armored cheek then withdraw using dash, straight back using the dash. The odds are you have more HP than your oppo. And you can walk away faster than they can advance. Yes. I think tulu configuration is the strongest. That's why I ranted a few days ago saying it's broken. Sadly I tried out the scourge(and leveled it), which is honestly situationally better, but ends up getting you killed much faster. My haechi by comparison rolls with puns and is far more durable
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 6:33:07 GMT -5
yeah I'm pretty sure Haechi is OP (as I've argued in a number of threads) - the other two are really good but don't seem that overpowered. A bit maybe, but the Haechi definitely seems to be the best of the bunch. Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared.
Yes, on paper, it is certainly OP.
The shield is very difficult to use. To use it you need to look in a 50-60 degrees different direction allowing yourself to be blindsided. The usage of it seems to be to shield yourself of a plasma bot attacking from the left or to use it while reloading. And the bot feels a little different than other bots in the game. Turn rate, size (hitbox), glide or walk down slopes (the kumiho is particularly awful here) etc. All the stuff that isn't shown as stats. Which is why I said that there's a learning curve to it.
Have you played one yourself or are you just going off stats?
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Post by seanh on Sept 11, 2017 6:53:34 GMT -5
yeah I'm pretty sure Haechi is OP (as I've argued in a number of threads) - the other two are really good but don't seem that overpowered. A bit maybe, but the Haechi definitely seems to be the best of the bunch. Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared. Well on behalf of all the fledgling Bulgarasi pilots Iâd like thanks for the insult, appreciate it. As for facts, it actually have one of the lowest damage potentials of all the heavies. Its shield is essentially a very strong left sided ecu. It canât mount a heavy hard point, so canât run an ancile. Which is one of the key element that have made lance king of the jungle.
This thing is strong bot, no argument there, its competitive for a top slot in the game. But to say it OP means that it takes lances spot every time. It doesnât, takes the griffins sure, but not lance 10 out of 10 times. It puts it up to lance and some might prefer it, but to be called op it needs to kill it every time.
The one good thing about being a 「dookie」e pilot is that I am consistently 「dookie」e in all my bots. So while I am clearly not OP in a Bulgarasi I certainly am OP in an ancilot.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 6:59:59 GMT -5
Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared. Well on behalf of all the fledgling Bulgarasi pilots I’d like thanks for the insult, appreciate it. As for facts, it actually have one of the lowest damage potentials of all the heavies. Its shield is essentially a very strong left sided ecu. It can’t mount a heavy hard point, so can’t run an ancile. Which is one of the key element that have made lance king of the jungle.
This thing is strong bot, no argument there, its competitive for a top slot in the game. But to say it OP means that it takes lances spot every time. It doesn’t, takes the griffins sure, but not lance 10 out of 10 times. It puts it up to lance and some might prefer it, but to be called op it needs to kill it every time.
The one good thing about being a ?poo-poo?e pilot is that I am consistently ?poo-poo?e in all my bots. So while I am clearly not OP in a Bulgarasi I certainly am OP in an ancilot.
Oops, didn't mean you, just that among the 3 dashes I see the Bulgasari labeled as "balanced" most and never at all with the other two. With that shield, next time you want to charge down something without rockets try keep him to left 1/5th of the screen, maybe even quarter. From the few hrs I played on a buddies acc. I just kept the enemy over my left thumb. Then don't worry too much about side stepping just walk'em down. From fighting against them I find it's those that try to dance a jig that ends up missing 1/2 their load and no dash left. The Bul is hell strong and hell shielded. Yes it has 3 mediums instead of 2 meds and a heavy. But remember Orkans deal out the same damage as a point blank thunder from 0-300m for 5s, walk'em down and take the time to make the shots count and the chances are you'll kill it.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 7:09:46 GMT -5
Kinda like that...except you don't have an armored bra. Germans so unlike they had no Panzerfaust in WW1.
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Post by seanh on Sept 11, 2017 7:10:39 GMT -5
Oops, didn't mean you, just that among the 3 dashes I see the Bulgasari labeled as "balanced" most and never at all with the other two. With that shield, next time you want to charge down something without rockets try keep him to left 1/5th of the screen, maybe even quarter. From the few hrs I played on a buddies acc. I just kept the enemy over my left thumb. Then don't worry too much about side stepping just walk'em down. From fighting against them I find it's those that try to dance a jig that ends up missing 1/2 their load and no dash left. The Bul is hell strong and hell shielded. Yes it has 3 mediums instead of 2 meds and a heavy. But remember Orkans deal out the same damage as a point blank thunder from 0-300m for 5s, walk'em down and take the time to make the shots count and the chances are you'll kill it. no worries, i'm just over sensitive, can only die stupid so many times without developing a complex,
will try out the tips, thanks,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 7:47:58 GMT -5
Well, I stick to the facts. The Kumiho matches the Rog in running speed, health and fire power but with the dash ability it is more capable at avoiding all types of fire than a Rog. Considering the strength of a Rog...I guess it's not "OP" it's just better than the rest. The Bulgasari is the most commonly stated "It's not OP" of the 3 dash bots. Probably by their owners who gets bent over, no spit when piloting one. But it's quite easy to simply compare the facts: 1. It has the strongest shield in the game. 50% more than a galahads, even stronger than a rhinos. 2. It has 20K more health than a lance, 30k more than a Griffin and 18 more than even a Rhino. 3. Yet it walks as fast as a Carnage. 4. Packs firepower slightly less that the biggest hitters like Griff and Lance. 5. Then there's dash. So, it's tougher than most heavy bots, as fast as a med bot and hits like a heavy. Then it has the toughest shield and the ability to avoid missiles with dash. I think a correction to the statements posted should be, " I'm not OP with the Bul" rather than " The Bul is not OP" A bit like a tradesmen blaming his tools when the numbers are compared. Well on behalf of all the fledgling Bulgarasi pilots I’d like thanks for the insult, appreciate it. As for facts, it actually have one of the lowest damage potentials of all the heavies. Its shield is essentially a very strong left sided ecu. It can’t mount a heavy hard point, so can’t run an ancile. Which is one of the key element that have made lance king of the jungle.
This thing is strong bot, no argument there, its competitive for a top slot in the game. But to say it OP means that it takes lances spot every time. It doesn’t, takes the griffins sure, but not lance 10 out of 10 times. It puts it up to lance and some might prefer it, but to be called op it needs to kill it every time.
The one good thing about being a ?poo-poo?e pilot is that I am consistently ?poo-poo?e in all my bots. So while I am clearly not OP in a Bulgarasi I certainly am OP in an ancilot.
I don't know the stats. But I do know that it's a big bag o' $$. Mo hit points equals more damage. Equals more silver.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 7:57:10 GMT -5
Not impressed. The Bulgogi is a big fat Leo. A walking bag of $$. Had a Champion bluemate, and outclassed his 800K avg dmg K-bot hanger. Me, no K-bots in my hanger. I'm not maxed either, 9/11 compared to 12/12 hanger. I don't remember the score, so I'm guessing it was 550K him, and 800K me. I remember his name, not gonna say it. But he is in Legends. I usually target the K-bots first, just so my teammates don't die from them. Otherwise, I would leave them alone since they haven't troubled me too much. I'm pretty sure that the K-bots will prove their worth when people get used to running them. Personally I've just played my first few matches with a Bulga and a Kumiho today and there's definitely a learning curve to play them well.
Nah, you expect too much. Skill is skill. If you can't do it with regular bots, how are you gonna do it with a better bot? Good pilots don't have to worry. Bad pilots will be bad pilots, but with a bit better bots.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 8:04:38 GMT -5
Not impressed. The Bulgogi is a big fat Leo. A walking bag of $$. Had a Champion bluemate, and outclassed his 800K avg dmg K-bot hanger. Me, no K-bots in my hanger. I'm not maxed either, 9/11 compared to 12/12 hanger. I don't remember the score, so I'm guessing it was 550K him, and 800K me. I remember his name, not gonna say it. But he is in Legends. I usually target the K-bots first, just so my teammates don't die from them. Otherwise, I would leave them alone since they haven't troubled me too much. Yeah, I'm sure they are crap. That there was one pilot who failed to score more damage in one battle is all the proof we need, really. It's hard to outscore Legend players, because they play a lot and have the most experience. I'm not talking about a joe scmo pilot here. This guy plays all day and has 5 K-bots, and prolly for awhile. Seriously, read some of the Champion threads if you don't have a hanger in the upper tiers yet. I didn't say they were crap. But this sky is falling, conspiracy theory tin foil pay-to-win, i-can't-win-with-gold-bots-no-mo is getting old without any proof.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 8:08:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the K-bots will prove their worth when people get used to running them. Personally I've just played my first few matches with a Bulga and a Kumiho today and there's definitely a learning curve to play them well.
Nah, you expect too much. Skill is skill. If you can't do it with regular bots, how are you gonna do it with a better bot? Good pilots don't have to worry. Bad pilots will be bad pilots, but with a bit better bots. Don't get me wrong. It's a good bot with out any special super powers. It's like the captain America of bots. More hitpoints more speed more weapons better placement etc. It's the weakest of the k bots tho. It lacks a fast dash drive. And it's shield is an ecu. That doesn't make him weak by any means. He just doesn't have red witch force fields and the flash speed. He's just a heavy mech ++. Which makes him scary on his own.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 8:10:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure they are crap. That there was one pilot who failed to score more damage in one battle is all the proof we need, really. It's hard to outscore Legend players, because they play a lot and have the most experience. I'm not talking about a joe scmo pilot here. This guy plays all day and has 5 K-bots, and prolly for awhile. Seriously, read some of the Champion threads if you don't have a hanger in the upper tiers yet. I didn't say they were crap. But this sky is falling, conspiracy theory tin foil pay-to-win, i-can't-win-with-gold-bots-no-mo is getting old without any proof. I wouldn't go pay to win, more pay for distinct advantage? I get the job done with my existing gear, usually with the presence of champs. For me I'm not even too worried about dashbots handing out Insta wins. I just want one because it's fast and it's red and I can use it to do moves that make others head spin.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 8:12:35 GMT -5
Nah, you expect too much. Skill is skill. If you can't do it with regular bots, how are you gonna do it with a better bot? Good pilots don't have to worry. Bad pilots will be bad pilots, but with a bit better bots. Don't get me wrong. It's a good bot with out any special super powers. It's like the captain America of bots. More hitpoints more speed more weapons better placement etc. It's the weakest of the k bots tho. It lacks a fast dash drive. And it's shield is an ecu. That doesn't make him weak by any means. He just doesn't have red witch force fields and the flash speed. He's just a heavy mech ++. Which makes him scary on his own. Uh Steve Roger aka The Capt is amongst the weakest of the Avengers. Up against the likes of Hulk and Thor..
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 8:13:19 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong. It's a good bot with out any special super powers. It's like the captain America of bots. More hitpoints more speed more weapons better placement etc. It's the weakest of the k bots tho. It lacks a fast dash drive. And it's shield is an ecu. That doesn't make him weak by any means. He just doesn't have red witch force fields and the flash speed. He's just a heavy mech ++. Which makes him scary on his own. Uh Steve Roger aka The Capt is amongst the weakest of the Avengers. Up against the likes of Hulk and Thor.. Yea. Just like the kbots :-)
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 8:14:14 GMT -5
Uh Steve Roger aka The Capt is amongst the weakest of the Avengers. Up against the likes of Hulk and Thor.. Yea. Just like the kbots :-) Just like batman.. $$$$$$$
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 8:31:02 GMT -5
Yea. Just like the kbots :-) Just like batman.. $$$$$$$ Batman would have more tricks. Like a moving shield, plus wild bot switchers lol. Plus he'd have moar hitpoints
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Post by MCYL on Sept 11, 2017 8:36:04 GMT -5
Just like batman.. $$$$$$$ Batman would have more tricks. Like a moving shield, plus wild bot switchers lol. Plus he'd have moar hitpoints Batman wins because he has all the cash to buy sweet rides and toys. All the Joker hat was knives and lint...well it was kinda his fault because he tends to burn it all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 9:13:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the K-bots will prove their worth when people get used to running them. Personally I've just played my first few matches with a Bulga and a Kumiho today and there's definitely a learning curve to play them well.
Nah, you expect too much. Skill is skill. If you can't do it with regular bots, how are you gonna do it with a better bot? Good pilots don't have to worry. Bad pilots will be bad pilots, but with a bit better bots. I am well able to do it with regular bots, tyvm. And in my mind there's general skill and bot-specific skill; the latter takes some time to achieve which is why I say there's a learning curve to playing them.
And even though I have similar experience as you - dash bots being easy-ish to take out if you know what to expect - I don't think the problem is as simple as you say. I see plenty of decent-but-not-great pilots getting that 1 million average that previously only the best of players could boast. The truly great pilots will turn that into 1.2 or even 1.3 million averages that those without 5 Haechi's simply can't compete with - good or bad pilots.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 11, 2017 11:02:57 GMT -5
It's hard to outscore Legend players, because they play a lot and have the most experience. I'm not talking about a joe scmo pilot here. This guy plays all day and has 5 K-bots, and prolly for awhile. Seriously, read some of the Champion threads if you don't have a hanger in the upper tiers yet. I think I'm a decent player, yet there are enough games where I score way below my average, because I make tactical mistakes, run into bad matchups, or RL interferes (say the phone rings). You can't derive anything from just one game. Not sure what you mean with champion threads. I'm in Diamond 1 on Android myself playing against better players on a regular basis, so even though I'm not top tier, I'm not a noob either.
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Post by f1amereaver on Sept 11, 2017 11:57:46 GMT -5
Still dont Think they are OP - overpriced maybe but not OP you can still easily run an normal hanger and beat Kbots - its how you play not what you play with. I get the feeling that the only time they may be more OP is in clan matches where the clan are comunicating and have a better picture of what is going on in real time - but then there are other bots that can do this too - Lancelot i am looking at you!
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Post by linearblade on Sept 11, 2017 12:24:10 GMT -5
Batman would have more tricks. Like a moving shield, plus wild bot switchers lol. Plus he'd have moar hitpoints Batman wins because he has all the cash to buy sweet rides and toys. All the Joker hat was knives and lint...well it was kinda his fault because he tends to burn it all. Your right. Batman bot would have level 13 weapons hehe
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 14:13:59 GMT -5
Still dont Think they are OP - overpriced maybe but not OP you can still easily run an normal hanger and beat Kbots - its how you play not what you play with. I get the feeling that the only time they may be more OP is in clan matches where the clan are comunicating and have a better picture of what is going on in real time - but then there are other bots that can do this too - Lancelot i am looking at you! Clan matches are tough, with or wo K bots. Usually it's a clan on red, and I get a bunch of randos. After 3 minutes, half your team is gone. Usually the fodder, you know the diamond1 and expert guys. Best hope is to hunker down, let them make the mistakes, and try to beat the other 2 master/ champions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 14:27:47 GMT -5
It's hard to outscore Legend players, because they play a lot and have the most experience. I'm not talking about a joe scmo pilot here. This guy plays all day and has 5 K-bots, and prolly for awhile. Seriously, read some of the Champion threads if you don't have a hanger in the upper tiers yet. I think I'm a decent player, yet there are enough games where I score way below my average, because I make tactical mistakes, run into bad matchups, or RL interferes (say the phone rings). You can't derive anything from just one game. Not sure what you mean with champion threads. I'm in Diamond 1 on Android myself playing against better players on a regular basis, so even though I'm not top tier, I'm not a noob either. Upper tier is a term I made up. Mainly because it used to be called gold tier before the MM, so now we have a gold tier. Hope that makes sense. But if not, upper tier has been changing due to not enough fodder for champion tier. But on iOS, it is roughly expert up to champion tier. Since all those tiers are basically matched with each other on a regular basis. I heard recently that it has been expanded down to diamond 1. By champion thread, I mean most players are surprised at the jump in skill and difficulty once they hit Expert 3 on iOS. So there are a lot of threads complaining about the MM and getting clubbed by Champions. There is also the Wall, where good players can get stuck. These expert players know a lot of the tricks, making these "experts" better than they should be. So even in a fair match w no champions, the noob experts will be crushed by the veteran experts.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 11, 2017 14:28:05 GMT -5
I had one major pain in the butt dash on Yam the other night. I was on the ramp up to CB, He was off to the right side. He'd dash in, take his shots, and dash out before I could turn to counter in my PDB Griff. I couldn't keep watching him because I had to watch for other advancing reds, and I couldn't chase him because I'd put myself out in the open. Talk about a frustrating situation. He eventually got me after 4 or 5 repeats of that tactic, because there was just nothing else I could do. We did win the game, but it was one of my lowest damage outings. So I guess I served some purpose by keeping him occupied and away from the rest of my team for awhile.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 11, 2017 14:44:32 GMT -5
I had one game on Valley where my Kumiho was suddenly chased by all 6 robots. Yes, all 6 reds were suddenly within 400m of me, in one corner of the map. You think the blue players took advantage of that? Think again, we're talking about facebook gameroom here But yeah, we really need some time until the dust settles. My dash robots aren't even near full speed, 6 for Bulgasari and 5 for Kumiho. @macwarrobots, yes, there is a difference in level of play in higher leagues. I don't think there is a wall, but it shakes one up to get suddenly one-shot by a DB - and thinking "hey, that's what I used to do to my opponents" We'll see. I'm not playing my main too much, because (a) I have the Dash bots (and a Rog) on facebook, (b) I just got tired of Lancelots slugging it out, (c) no VIP for my main (as I play only 2 games a day). I calculated that my hangar is 3 weeks away from becoming 10 across the board, and my league advancement was quicker than my hangar development anyway.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 11, 2017 15:39:50 GMT -5
I must admit that I like the Kumiho better and better. I just had one game on SZ where I did 460k of damage, in one level 5 Kumiho, with level 5 Orkans. Not bad, not bad at all. Inept reds, but still...
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