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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Aug 18, 2017 3:59:54 GMT -5
I want to chip in to this thread...but which topic should I talk about?
The new forum? The differences between the 2 forums? The soft drinks? The font colours? ?
OMG, Ive a headache now. All of you should be banned! Yeah!
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 4:01:12 GMT -5
Btw, i have always been a fan of keeping personal accounts and administration/moderation accounts separated. Something it's your personal account with which write things around, something else is an account for a responsibility role. I believe in the anonimity of Responsibility roles, meaning, accounts created for that purpose and reason. I know, it sounds like a job, and bad, but it helps keeping "feelings and emotions" away from the roles, and mostly helping the staff doing a better job. However, this allows for a certain amount of hypocrisy and deception. That is why sockpupetting is considered a no-no. You could end up with a schizo where a mod behaves maturely and then switches to his "normal" account to be a douche and nobody is the wiser. Folks in roles of responsibility are forced to adhere to a higher standard and it's fair to expect that. Cops and politicians are not allowed to hide their names and identities after all. Their real life and work life are scrutinized with the same lens. This will always be the challenge of managing internet dialogues and online identities. I am with llama4president on this. I know that US cops are pretty funny guys (well, at least some of them) who can cast a 「fluffernutter」 every now and then, play GTA and kill cops there, call each other that strangely feared American *N* word and 「wee-wee」 around during their free time with friends and family around. Which, however, NEVER allow them to behave like this in general public and\or while wearing uniform. So I don't see how fooling around with personal account (abiding the rules, of course) can be of harm. More than that, it even would allow Mod account to be less personal, less "alive" and less prone to emotions\unneded discussions.
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 4:03:01 GMT -5
I want to chip in to this thread...but which topic should I talk about? The new forum? The differences between the 2 forums? The soft drinks? The font colours? ? OMG, Ive a headache now. All of you should be banned! Yeah! Please join me in a discussion of the ""Mod" and "Personal" accounts should be different ones" then!
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Post by Poopface on Aug 18, 2017 6:14:24 GMT -5
N/A Sangria paired with tacos al pastor
Now, where's my micdrop gif?
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Post by wildboar on Aug 18, 2017 6:20:57 GMT -5
N/A Sangria paired with tacos al pastor Now, where's my micdrop gif? Here you go ...
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Aug 18, 2017 7:02:31 GMT -5
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 18, 2017 7:57:21 GMT -5
It's probably bad that I'm excited by the idea that you might move entirely there to get away from the folks without an "open mind," isn't it? .. and more Trolling That is what I've come to expect from this Forum. That's fair. I wasn't very nice. My apologies.
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Post by ᘐᙓᓮᖇᗩ on Aug 18, 2017 8:30:32 GMT -5
I *was* gonna say Cherry Dr. Pepper kicks Cherry Coke AND Cherry Pepsi's 「bum-bum」... but the drink convo has digressed to such a point that I think I'm gonna have to just stop reading this thread. Clamato Picante pfffft!
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Post by piginapoke on Aug 18, 2017 8:45:14 GMT -5
Hell I love coca cola. I used it with aluminium foil to clean the light rust off my chrome bumpers on my Mustang. Works a treat even on the chrome mirrors. The original coca cola mind, not the light junk.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Aug 18, 2017 9:18:06 GMT -5
Alright people listen up!
"Coke is the real thing"
Enough said, I rest my case!
On a case of - FIREBALL!
I digress, like this thread. Put it to bed Let it rest
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I dont do sugar - I have to settle for Jack & Coke Zero
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 10:20:42 GMT -5
Your all jacked up on Mt. dew is the problem. Drink some water and calm down. As for mijap and blastronaut Don't worry there will be no vote riggings. Yes there will probably be more fire trucks. I'm trying to offer some things that are not on this forum over on the new one so it's not a clone. Because having a clone would be pointless. If you don't like the new forum, that's ok because your here and you like it here. Win win right? The idea of doing this new forum has been kicked around for months. Long before banned members gained popularity here. It just so happened that enough of us decided to go through with it. With some recent additions to the deplorables discord. And believe it or not despite all the rough language and half naked pics on the discord. Underneath, most people that hang out there on the discord are really good folks. And awesome pilots in the game. I signed on to admin and help create this new board for them and all of you.
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Post by SuperHero on Aug 18, 2017 10:27:04 GMT -5
Here in Thailand they actually had Mango Fanta.
Regarding the mod discussion, the difference between that and real life folks is that people are already hiding under nicknames and pseudonyms here. It would be like wearing a mask on top of a mask in many cases.
And whether you like it or not, humans are emotional beings. If someone couldn't stop saying profanity while in his normal persona or being sarcastic for example, how is he to be trusted to do the same in his mod persona? Human beings don't change just because of a tag or a job. Especially this kind of job. And if they did change that much, they would either be schizo or hypocrites.
The job here requires integrity and if you require multiple hats just to give the mods more "voice" or to be more "detached", then that saddens me. I guess it boils down to the current paradigm of this generation where things are only official if it's tagged, labelled or posted online. Real life including forums are a little more holistic and complicated than that. It's not as cut and dry as posting a "In a relationship" status on FB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 10:47:33 GMT -5
Here in Thailand they actually had Mango Fanta. Regarding the mod discussion, the difference between that and real life folks is that people are already hiding under nicknames and pseudonyms here. It would be like wearing a mask on top of a mask in many cases. And whether you like it or not, humans are emotional beings. If someone couldn't stop saying profanity while in his normal persona or being sarcastic for example, how is he to be trusted to do the same in his mod persona? Human beings don't change just because of a tag or a job. Especially this kind of job. And if they did change that much, they would either be schizo or hypocrites. The job here requires integrity and if you require multiple hats just to give the mods more "voice" or to be more "detached", then that saddens me. I guess it boils down to the current paradigm of this generation where things are only official if it's tagged, labelled or posted online. Real life including forums are a little more holistic and complicated than that. It's not as cut and dry as posting a "In a relationship" status on FB. Upon reading this.. I can't help but think of this.. As for the using foul language, I know there can be safe places to express yourself how you would normally talk. And some places you wouldn't. That's just life in general. This forum is not one of those places because it's like going to your grandma's house with the grandkids on a holiday. Be on your best behavior. And that's fine. But it's nice to come home or to your buddies house drink a few beers and firetruck it off once in a while too. Just because you do it once place but not the other dosen't make people crazy. Or maybe I am crazy.. Well hell.
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 18, 2017 10:55:37 GMT -5
As for the using fowl language... Cluck tweet tweet cluck chirp squawk. </grammarnazi>
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 11:02:01 GMT -5
Regarding the mod discussion, the difference between that and real life folks is that people are already hiding under nicknames and pseudonyms here. It would be like wearing a mask on top of a mask in many cases. And whether you like it or not, humans are emotional beings. If someone couldn't stop saying profanity while in his normal persona or being sarcastic for example, how is he to be trusted to do the same in his mod persona? Human beings don't change just because of a tag or a job. Especially this kind of job. And if they did change that much, they would either be schizo or hypocrites. The job here requires integrity and if you require multiple hats just to give the mods more "voice" or to be more "detached", then that saddens me. I guess it boils down to the current paradigm of this generation where things are only official if it's tagged, labelled or posted online. Real life including forums are a little more holistic and complicated than that. It's not as cut and dry as posting a "In a relationship" status on FB. Sooo I can't put my sex to "Female" in Diablo without being hypocrite? I just don't get the idea behind your statement :\ My original post was not about the profanity, it was about trying to be different person. I think that _EVERY_ person is a complex being, and sometimes it's fun to try to behave differently. You see, it's like using different robots\weapons in game. Now you are sniper, minutes later you are a jumpy Rog, and then you are stealth killer Carnage. Same with different persona. You are being movie hero, playing different roles, and not "just your typical role".
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 18, 2017 11:11:43 GMT -5
Regarding the mod discussion, the difference between that and real life folks is that people are already hiding under nicknames and pseudonyms here. It would be like wearing a mask on top of a mask in many cases. Sooo I can't put my sex to "Female" in Diablo without being hypocrite? I just don't get the idea behind your statement :\ My original post was not about the profanity, it was about trying to be different person. I think that _EVERY_ person is a complex being, and sometimes it's fun to try to behave differently. Do you really want the mods to act differently than when in "mod persona?" The mods should be exemplifying best behavior to set an example. (Frankly, it's one of the reasons that, while I'm deeply thrilled and honored to have been given a TC tag, would NOT want to be a mod.) Giving them anonymity for most of their posts threatens to undermine the idea that they set the standard by allowing them to arbitrarily lower the bar for themselves. This way, their behavior is transparent and allows us to better judge the forum by its staff and decide if we want to stay here, visit Reddit, or go hang with the guys that swear more for fun and spoof votes but then state that it shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by SuperHero on Aug 18, 2017 11:30:46 GMT -5
Regarding the mod discussion, the difference between that and real life folks is that people are already hiding under nicknames and pseudonyms here. It would be like wearing a mask on top of a mask in many cases. And whether you like it or not, humans are emotional beings. If someone couldn't stop saying profanity while in his normal persona or being sarcastic for example, how is he to be trusted to do the same in his mod persona? Human beings don't change just because of a tag or a job. Especially this kind of job. And if they did change that much, they would either be schizo or hypocrites. The job here requires integrity and if you require multiple hats just to give the mods more "voice" or to be more "detached", then that saddens me. I guess it boils down to the current paradigm of this generation where things are only official if it's tagged, labelled or posted online. Real life including forums are a little more holistic and complicated than that. It's not as cut and dry as posting a "In a relationship" status on FB. Sooo I can't put my sex to "Female" in Diablo without being hypocrite? I just don't get the idea behind your statement :\ My original post was not about the profanity, it was about trying to be different person. I think that _EVERY_ person is a complex being, and sometimes it's fun to try to behave differently. You see, it's like using different robots\weapons in game. Now you are sniper, minutes later you are a jumpy Rog, and then you are stealth killer Carnage. Same with different persona. You are being movie hero, playing different roles, and not "just your typical role". Unless we have now become an RPG place? Mods here are not meant to be dealing with your made up fantasy personas. You don't come here posting as a Carnage one moment and then posting as a Butch the next. If a mod cant mod and yet still be fun, then that's just as sad. I think Dredd77 has been an excellent example of being able to be both most of the times. Ur right, it's fun to behave differently. But we have had enough instances of mods being condemned for "having fun" or being sarcastic. And as long as folks knew that both that persona and the mod were the same person, the mod would still be crucified. As much as it sucks, it do think that Admins and Mods do have no choice but to sacrifice certain rights when they take on the job. Even in a cop's private time, there are some things that would get him in trouble even if not illegal, or call his integrity into question. It's sad, but that's why I appreciate every single mod and admin and protect them as ferociously as I can. With regards to the comment about fowl language (sorry, I couldn't resist), I do agree that the use of it doesn't make you a bad or good person. I also agree that there are various places where it can be allowed and should not be allowed. No argument from me about that. And that's why I welcome places like Discord which I also use and am part of various clans channels. I think my only contention would be the paradigm of some that profanity equates to maturity. I know u guys here in the discussion are awesome, but we here in the forum (and in the old incarnation of this forum) have had so many incidents of folks condemning us for not allowing "mature" topics and insulting us for wanting a PG environment. It just made me scratch my head cos between other forums, FB, LINE, Discord, there are so many War Robots community portals that allow "mature" language and they keep insisting and trying to make us change our stance. i know this stance has been debatable and I truly appreciate everyone of you for the effort you have all taken make this community what it is today. Please know that I also appreciate any other community that gives other avenues of expression. I'm also glad Battle Angel is there administrating because as much as I wanna give folks the benefit of doubt, having Blastronaut as a Mod terrifies the living daylights out of me after the headaches he gave my team here. LOL
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Aug 18, 2017 11:51:40 GMT -5
I've been a moderator on a few boards. Anyone who would perpetrate a split personality disorder wouldn't be worthy of being a moderator. I respect the job our mods are doing and the mods themselves even if I disagree with a couple on a certain aspect of these forums. I'm old school though. I allowed quite a bit but I put up with no sh*t. It depended on how the admins wanted it. And the mods here are doing the same.
So hats off to our mods. Without them this place would be a pit.
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Post by llama4president on Aug 18, 2017 11:58:32 GMT -5
I work in contact with customers, and when i'm on the frontdesk, my behaviour isn't exactly the same as when i'm with friends. My tone of voice changes, my way of talking is very different. Everytime i try to show that i'm in control of the situation, because that's the best and fastest way to deal with a customer requesting something.
About the anonimity, it's not about the distinction of roles just so one can firetruck while your main account, and be polite while being in a responsibility role. It's about the detachment, it's about the players not getting TOO close with ppl in charge of some place. It's to help the mod not to receive "personal" and "emotional" messages directly tied to them (please do me this favour, please close an eye, et cetera). If i never know which mod did what, i will address the whole community of mods (staff account or such). Certainly if i'm speaking to a group, or to an unidentifiable person, i wouldn't go to personally address him, and i have to talk more generally, considering i don't know who will be picking up on the "phone". Same thing otherwise, sometime embarassing situations can happen, where someone on a responsibility role talks about a matter on the forum, and you , as user, might feel not to answer in tone in case of provocations. And things like these are inevitable to happen, you can select ppl for their high standards, but the day will come when everything went south in your life and you will be missing the patience to speak in the normal responsible way.
About the mask and the double mask. I can get attached and have fun to the virtual friends i am meeting here, on discord. But we must understand that apart exceptionally rare cases, we are all Felicias to each other. It's already inevitable, the way internet works is based on that first kind of anonimity. I can try to make a general idea of some person over the net, but what i will see is what they write, how the write it, and not much else.
I think that leaving the personal "attachment" to responsibility roles just adds a burden to them (to behave above normal, not being able to join a flame without overwhemingly influence the outcome, to be criticized in a personal form, to have a history and a past.)
but well, i'm not asking anything, it was just a suggestion for the new forum while it's still in the embryonic form.
About here, it isn't likely that a change toward that direction would be ever possible considering that the "persona" form is already fully established.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Aug 18, 2017 12:12:59 GMT -5
I work in contact with customers, and when i'm on the frontdesk, my behaviour isn't exactly the same as when i'm with friends. My tone of voice changes, my way of talking is very different. Everytime i try to show that i'm in control of the situation, because that's the best and fastest way to deal with a customer requesting something. Yes, I'm very familiar with this operation when dealing with clients. It has a highly technical term attached to it. It's called "Bullsh*tter Mode". Note its initials also have another meaning. Because sometimes it's exactly like having one.?
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 12:42:03 GMT -5
Sooo I can't put my sex to "Female" in Diablo without being hypocrite? I just don't get the idea behind your statement :\ My original post was not about the profanity, it was about trying to be different person. I think that _EVERY_ person is a complex being, and sometimes it's fun to try to behave differently. Do you really want the mods to act differently than when in "mod persona?" The mods should be exemplifying best behavior to set an example. (Frankly, it's one of the reasons that, while I'm deeply thrilled and honored to have been given a TC tag, would NOT want to be a mod.) Giving them anonymity for most of their posts threatens to undermine the idea that they set the standard by allowing them to arbitrarily lower the bar for themselves. This way, their behavior is transparent and allows us to better judge the forum by its staff and decide if we want to stay here, visit Reddit, or go hang with the guys that swear more for fun and spoof votes but then state that it shouldn't be allowed. I wrote really big answer here, but decided it's offtopic and pointless. So I just say that you and SuperHero completely missed my point and fallen under impression I was advocating for use of a swear words. I am not. Words are just words. While if you are NOT using many words - you are limiting your vocabulary; it is also true that if you use same word (being an F word or any other one) all the time you are limiting your vocabulary. But actually it's offtopic so I remove myself from the conversation once again.
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 12:46:14 GMT -5
I work in contact with customers, and when i'm on the frontdesk, my behaviour isn't exactly the same as when i'm with friends. My tone of voice changes, my way of talking is very different. Everytime i try to show that i'm in control of the situation, because that's the best and fastest way to deal with a customer requesting something. About the anonimity, it's not about the distinction of roles just so one can firetruck while your main account, and be polite while being in a responsibility role. It's about the detachment, it's about the players not getting TOO close with ppl in charge of some place. It's to help the mod not to receive "personal" and "emotional" messages directly tied to them (please do me this favour, please close an eye, et cetera). If i never know which mod did what, i will address the whole community of mods (staff account or such). Certainly if i'm speaking to a group, or to an unidentifiable person, i wouldn't go to personally address him, and i have to talk more generally, considering i don't know who will be picking up on the "phone". Same thing otherwise, sometime embarassing situations can happen, where someone on a responsibility role talks about a matter on the forum, and you , as user, might feel not to answer in tone in case of provocations. And things like these are inevitable to happen, you can select ppl for their high standards, but the day will come when everything went south in your life and you will be missing the patience to speak in the normal responsible way. About the mask and the double mask. I can get attached and have fun to the virtual friends i am meeting here, on discord. But we must understand that apart exceptionally rare cases, we are all Felicias to each other. It's already inevitable, the way internet works is based on that first kind of anonimity. I can try to make a general idea of some person over the net, but what i will see is what they write, how the write it, and not much else. I think that leaving the personal "attachment" to responsibility roles just adds a burden to them (to behave above normal, not being able to join a flame without overwhemingly influence the outcome, to be criticized in a personal form, to have a history and a past.) but well, i'm not asking anything, it was just a suggestion for the new forum while it's still in the embryonic form. About here, it isn't likely that a change toward that direction would be ever possible considering that the "persona" form is already fully established. Can't add more
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Post by Dredd77 on Aug 18, 2017 12:58:52 GMT -5
I always have a high skepticism threshold when the suggestion of one person is for a different person to have to do more work.
I'm not saying it's immediately discounted. But it can't just be a good idea. It has to be a great idea.
And I do not feel that "mod accounts" is a great idea.
We've come this far just fine. Play on.
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Post by Dredd77 on Aug 18, 2017 14:00:44 GMT -5
Back to the subject of the other board, I really had high hopes for it. I felt- and still do- that a second Forum with similar content but a different tone might have more than enough room to thrive.
But @heavypanda seemed to call it. It doesn't appear to want to move on from a "bad boys of the Wiki Forum" status and be it's own board yet. Making one of the community's biggest cancers a moderator only seems to underline that. I wish them well, I may pop over in a month and see if they've figured things out, but for the now it's not the place for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:08:18 GMT -5
For whatever it is worth, I still have high hopes for the new board. It should grow on its own though, without popping over here to trade pot shots. I dont like that this thread was started here, and i don't like that this thread quotes a thread over there. The users and admin team of the wiki forum are certainly justified in their posts and various lines of attack. But it won't help the new board if we see another 5 pages of shade at the new board here, even if it always comes with the obligatory "but I wish them well".
Cheers to all. Peace and love to all forumites, Tarans and death to all red mechs.
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 18, 2017 14:08:46 GMT -5
I just say that you and SuperHero completely missed my point and fallen under impression I was advocating for use of a swear words. Hmm. Nope, it wasn't language I was talking about. Just a standard of behavior and accountability. I was fairly certain you were positing that separate mod accounts would give them freedom and I was suggesting that maybe you don't actually want them to have that freedom.
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Post by Strayed on Aug 18, 2017 14:15:56 GMT -5
Honestly, my only response to the mod account thing is that I'm too lazy to constantly switch accounts, lol.
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Post by Russel on Aug 18, 2017 14:35:29 GMT -5
I just say that you and SuperHero completely missed my point and fallen under impression I was advocating for use of a swear words. Hmm. Nope, it wasn't language I was talking about. Just a standard of behavior and accountability. I was fairly certain you were positing that separate mod accounts would give them freedom and I was suggesting that maybe you don't actually want them to have that freedom. Sorry, I might mis-read you then. I am going to stop pointless argument and offtopic spread by me in this thread with the following offtopic photo of thirteen guns in my hand, "saluting to the original 13 states of America". Not sure it's a good idea to taste a gun, but hey, somebody tasting a coke, so why not.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Aug 18, 2017 17:12:57 GMT -5
I give our Mods a Triple AAA rating!
I have not participated in many forums. Really this & a 5th Gen Camaro board, have a 2012 Camaro.
I am not Mod material for this forum, I know it and dont want it!
I know I would not / could not put up with some of the 「dookie」 that gets slung around here.
SoCal
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