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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 13:19:44 GMT -5
Will vote-rigging be OK on the new forum? Because that was the only way I could have won Most Influential, and I'd like another crack at it. -Amid As far as I am aware of, it is only allowed here. The other forum will not allow any such thing.
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Post by tonyfla on Aug 17, 2017 13:42:27 GMT -5
I found the Deplorables discord server to be overrated. Just because you drop more firetrucks doesn't make your crap more insightful. -Amid Saw a tank get dropped once when its chute failed...was awesome. Would love to see a firetruck dropped. Better yet, a fleet of them, all chrome and shiny red paint. Definitely would buy a ticket to that show.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 17, 2017 13:45:37 GMT -5
I found the Deplorables discord server to be overrated. Just because you drop more firetrucks doesn't make your crap more insightful. -Amid Saw a tank get dropped once when its chute failed...was awesome. Would love to see a firetruck dropped. Better yet, a fleet of them, all chrome and shiny red paint. Definitely would buy a ticket to that show. Nah -- drop a honey wagon... on its way to the dump, after a full day of pumping septic tanks. That would make a most colorful splash.
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Post by tonyfla on Aug 17, 2017 13:48:16 GMT -5
You miss the subtle yet essential: the firetrucking firetrucks are all that firetrucking matters..and damage tables. Good day sir. TOP TIP: Enjoy Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ 's posts even more by imagining them being read in this manner: If you're a male older than 40 and live in a town called 'dead wood' you're just asking for a lifetime of frustration.
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Post by WE034 on Aug 17, 2017 13:50:11 GMT -5
tonyflaThat would be awesome! I heard about and saw some pics of three humvees the 173rd pancaked last year in Germany. ? would be much more spectacular...
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Post by tonyfla on Aug 17, 2017 13:56:54 GMT -5
To clear things up. Coke is better than Pepsi. To quote Blade: "Are you out of your 「gosh darn 」 mind?" Coke sucks. Pepsi rules. And Dr. Pepper beats them both.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Aug 17, 2017 14:06:50 GMT -5
KaneoheGrownI never said it wasn't working for Pix as they intended it. But it just creates far more frustrated players than happy ones. Sure Pixonic is going to make money off the uninitiated. But since frustration is the motivation intended to induce spending it's a bad financial model. As we all know happy customers are repeat customers. Unhappy customers go elsewhere. Actually tier camping is exactly what is happening on a continual basis. I see 11-12 equipment in Bronze and Silver hangers all the time. The ability to tank or fade was built into the system. As long as you aren't just dropping out of matches to be considered a leaver all a player has do to is the minimum necessary to stay out of the LQ and still be able to drop down through the rankings. Just look at all the players that have the full 12/12 hangers that keep getting posted in the Wall of Shame thread who are using lesser equipment and p*ssing off the posters. All one has to do to lose ranking is load their hanger with 1/1 equipment and barely contribute to matches. Eventually the 20 point losses start overcoming the 3 points you get for low man in the wins. Figures I'm admittedly extrapolating from the polls conducted in these forums and reponses posted on FB and other media outlets Pixonic uses. I do not have access to Pixonic's figures. I am admittedly assuming the polls here are a cross section example of overall player opinions as well as the comparative responses in those other outlets. Good or bad it's how it's done in most polling situations even professionally. Could be why so many polls are wrong too. But that is my reasoning.
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Post by Demosthenes on Aug 17, 2017 14:07:29 GMT -5
I don't like any of the above mixers: Fever Tree Tonic for my gin.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Aug 17, 2017 14:41:03 GMT -5
KaneoheGrownI never said it wasn't working for Pix as they intended it. But it just creates far more frustrated players than happy ones. Sure Pixonic is going to make money off the uninitiated. But since frustration is the motivation intended to induce spending it's a bad financial model. As we all know happy customers are repeat customers. Unhappy customers go elsewhere. Actually tier camping is exactly what is happening on a continual basis. I see 11-12 equipment in Bronze and Silver hangers all the time. The ability to tank or fade was built into the system. As long as you aren't just dropping out of matches to be considered a leaver all a player has do to is the minimum necessary to stay out of the LQ and still be able to drop down through the rankings. Just look at all the players that have the full 12/12 hangers that keep getting posted in the Wall of Shame thread who are using lesser equipment and p*ssing off the posters. All one has to do to lose ranking is load their hanger with 1/1 equipment and barely contribute to matches. Eventually the 20 point losses start overcoming the 3 points you get for low man in the wins. Figures I'm admittedly extrapolating from the polls conducted in these forums and reponses posted on FB and other media outlets Pixonic uses. I do not have access to Pixonic's figures. I am admittedly assuming the polls here are a cross section example of overall player opinions as well as the comparative responses in those other outlets. Good or bad it's how it's done in most polling situations even professionally. Could be why so many polls are wrong too. But that is my reasoning. Completely agree that tanking is BS and that Pix should have some kind of equipment level limiter on players. If you dreg up threads from this time last year (when Leagues were still in development) the community belief was that tiers were simply going to be bifurcated into different leagues (within each tier) so clubbers would be shifted away from the seals. The League system of today is completely deferent from what we envisioned.
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Post by Strayed on Aug 17, 2017 15:40:59 GMT -5
Will vote-rigging be OK on the new forum? Because that was the only way I could have won Most Influential, and I'd like another crack at it. -Amid As far as I am aware of, it is only allowed here. The other forum will not allow any such thing. Dude, mijapi literally just got banned for vote rigging. Stop spreading disinformation.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 15:49:08 GMT -5
As far as I am aware of, it is only allowed here. The other forum will not allow any such thing. Dude, mijapi literally just got banned for vote rigging. Stop spreading disinformation. I thought someone else did it and he was banned for harassing an admin. Perhaps what I saw was photoshopped.
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Post by bloodynipples on Aug 17, 2017 15:51:47 GMT -5
LQ should be no gold or silver.
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Post by Strayed on Aug 17, 2017 15:52:37 GMT -5
Dude, mijapi literally just got banned for vote rigging. Stop spreading disinformation. I thought someone else did it and he was banned for harassing an admin. Perhaps what I saw was photoshopped. No, mijapi vote rigged, flamed his rival in the competition to the point where the rival was ready to delete his account, accused an entire clan of cheating, and harassed a mod.
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Post by amidf on Aug 17, 2017 16:03:29 GMT -5
I thought someone else did it and he was banned for harassing an admin. Perhaps what I saw was photoshopped. No, mijapi vote rigged, flamed his rival in the competition to the point where the rival was ready to delete his account, accused an entire clan of cheating, and harassed a mod. Huh. That's weird because mijapi300 is an active user at the other forum. I guess all that behavior is permitted by the cool kids. That must be part of the complementary contribution we can expect. The community will be all the better for this rich and diverse base. -Amid
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 16:09:14 GMT -5
I thought someone else did it and he was banned for harassing an admin. Perhaps what I saw was photoshopped. No, mijapi vote rigged, flamed his rival in the competition to the point where the rival was ready to delete his account, accused an entire clan of cheating, and harassed a mod. Huh, I must have missed that. All I saw was the pictures of IP addresses that proved some guy named DeGio cheated. Things seemed to keep getting deleted around that time so I'm sure I probably have things mixed up.
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Post by Russel on Aug 17, 2017 16:13:51 GMT -5
.... Not that that is any great loss to y'all... plenty of folks there more knowledgeable than me and that play more than I do... so no worries, I'm sure. But that just didn't sit well with me... and it may not with others who just aren't saying anything. Something to consider if you are wanting to share the members with this site... Or... maybe that's the image y'all want... and if so, plenty of spoon stirrers that would enjoy it! The only reason I would go to read at this point is I love Paps' HPs', Rocks', Thunderkiss', and a few more folk's posts and always enjoy reading what they have to say and how they say it... be it here or there..... I don't know how this guy is doing it, but it's exactly the case when "less is more" with any of his "heh", "damn" or "it's 'bout time".
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Post by Poopface on Aug 17, 2017 16:16:08 GMT -5
Why, exactly, are you here?
You plainly aren't in favor of this forum or how it's moderated. You're here just to stir things up? Maybe get a charge out of making snide remarks?
How about taking your beefs to PMs with the mods instead of causing trouble?
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 16:19:00 GMT -5
Why, exactly, are you here? You plainly aren't in favor of this forum or how it's moderated. You're here just to stir things up? Maybe get a charge out of making snide remarks? How about taking your beefs to PMs with the mods instead of causing trouble? Because that would be grounds for getting banned. I just wanted to share the other forum and then people started going crazy. It's like that one joker scene from batman. Everyone loses their minds!
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Post by Russel on Aug 17, 2017 16:22:38 GMT -5
Will vote-rigging be OK on the new forum? Because that was the only way I could have won Most Influential, and I'd like another crack at it. -Amid Hm, it seems like they got just the vote to answer that question: war-robots.boards.net/thread/66/vote-rigging-allowed
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Post by Strayed on Aug 17, 2017 16:22:59 GMT -5
Why, exactly, are you here? You plainly aren't in favor of this forum or how it's moderated. You're here just to stir things up? Maybe get a charge out of making snide remarks? How about taking your beefs to PMs with the mods instead of causing trouble? Because that would be grounds for getting banned. I just wanted to share the other forum and then people started going crazy. It's like that one joker scene from batman. Everyone loses their minds! No, it isn't. Dude, just stop.
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Post by Poopface on Aug 17, 2017 16:24:34 GMT -5
Why, exactly, are you here? You plainly aren't in favor of this forum or how it's moderated. You're here just to stir things up? Maybe get a charge out of making snide remarks? How about taking your beefs to PMs with the mods instead of causing trouble? Because that would be grounds for getting banned. I just wanted to share the other forum and then people started going crazy. It's like that one joker scene from batman. Everyone loses their minds! I hardly think that sending a reasonably-worded PM to ask for clarification about something would get you banned. It's not obviously against any of the listed rules. Or is this more hyperbole?
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Post by Poopface on Aug 17, 2017 16:25:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Strayed, for proving my point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 16:26:57 GMT -5
No, mijapi vote rigged, flamed his rival in the competition to the point where the rival was ready to delete his account, accused an entire clan of cheating, and harassed a mod. Huh, I must have missed that. All I saw was the pictures of IP addresses that proved some guy named DeGio cheated. Things seemed to keep getting deleted around that time so I'm sure I probably have things mixed up. Glad someone read my blog post. I'd stay out of that business if I were you. It's not worth the time getting yourself into.
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Post by Russel on Aug 17, 2017 16:31:58 GMT -5
They are not trying to improve the game and they are not listening to the players' complaints. That is evidenced by the fact that they have not fixed the matchmaking algorithm. They simply refuse to fix it despite the countless complaints about the unfair matchings it creates. Along with that ridiculous ranking system the whole thing was purposely and deliberately designed to be tanked and to create clubbers. Anyone with just one working neuron can see that. Because if it wasn't deliberate it suggests a level of intelligence that doesn't even touch ret*rded. So I'm going with deliberately done so as to be polite. More evidence that they do not listen to us came in the form of the recent addition of that awful iu in the last update. They were overwhelmingly informed that it sucked during beta testing. Yet they foisted it upon us anyways. And they are making us endure it despite the massive amounts of complaints about it. As for abusing players I say it's abuse to place players with no knowledge of even the existence of the LQ in there to be run down and stomped on a daily basis by Pixonic's tanking and clubbing Champions. I say it's abuse to not inform players of everything that is required to earn one's way back out of it as well. I say it's abuse and dishonorable to continue punishing players who comply fully with the only two rules set forth by Pixonic for them to get out and then not keep their word and let them out. Pixonic talks a big game about "fair gameplay" by its players but does not play fair itself. Pixonic cannot even be trusted to keep its word to its players. I've tried polite. So have many many others. If I see and smell a rose I will say it's a rose. If I see and smell bullsh*t well then I will have to say it's bullsh*t. That's what honesty is and there's little enough of it in this world. The moderators here will probably not like me going on another rant and I apologize to them for it...but then you did ask. As for another forum, good luck with that. We can all agree it pretty much forces players to upgrade and tier camping is no longer viable. So who's to say (with the exception of Pix management) that it's not acting exactly as intended? Forced Upgrades = Higher Demand for Ag = Higher Demand for Premium. Wouldn't the counter argument be that the League MM is exactly what Pix wants? How come it "forces upgrades"? It is only for people who like to see shining "Chump" mark on their profile. I am really REALLY happy in a Diamond, and every time I forced to Expert - I replace my hangar with low-level stuff (I upgrade things all the time) and fall down to Diamond.
Not listening to player feedback? Do you have the figures on player feedback from test sessions? Again, how do you know that your preference (related to the UI) was the majority voice? We have no idea what the majority voted for, so there's absolutely no way to say that "your" choice was the right choice. Also keep in mind, Pix spent time and money on the new UI. Saying "just scrap it" may not be possible based on how much resources were spent on it's design and implementation. 1) I spoken to people in a clan+Deplorables+Russian discord+WritersContest discord+Google store review+Comment section on MechSpectrum+Facebook+Pix representative and I heard very very extremely small amount of people who like new UI. One from people who liked it was "well, it's not that bad, and the old one needs a change", and other "we know it kinda sucks, but it allow us to do great things in the future". 2) Can't argue about "in general", but on my part I've made some graphical prototypes + some suggestions and forced them whenever I could. So it was never "just scrap it" for me.
I absolutely agree that LQ for newbs is BS. Them being punished for something they don't know about (or are warned about) is pretty crappy. Definitely agree that an explanation should be provided at loading screens for player awareness. Pretty much nailed it.
P.s. and I like most changes with the game. Some takes time, some is not for me. But the new UI was the first one that made me furious, so I decided to check if it's just me or people hate it mostly. Turned out most people don't like the new UI.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 16:34:13 GMT -5
Because that would be grounds for getting banned. I just wanted to share the other forum and then people started going crazy. It's like that one joker scene from batman. Everyone loses their minds! No, it isn't. Dude, just stop. Your four reasons for banning him were: -he cheated with votes: there was picture evidence that someone else did here: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkangel12S/Hard_Evidence-he flamed his opponent: not from what I read in the voting thread -he accused an entire clan of cheating: what I saw on the thread was him saying they voted, i thought voting was the point -he harassed a mod: I saw him admit to that so I'd assume that's true So one of the four things, harassing a mod, was true. it wasn't public unless the thread was deleted so it must have been through pm. So pms were grounds for a ban. Am I just confused or what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 16:41:45 GMT -5
I figured out awhile back how to ignore specific users' posts. I wonder if I can figure out how to ignore/block an entire thread.... yes, wise-guys, "just don't click on it". I know, I know. But I usually read posts in the "view current posts" scroll, and these keep coming up.
This thread seems to be bringing out the worst in some of us on a myriad of subjects. Kinda makes me want to participate less at both forums.
Any chance one of the participating mods would lock this 「female dog」 up right now so it doesn't go where it is clearly heading?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 17, 2017 16:43:49 GMT -5
I figured out awhile back how to ignore specific users' posts. I wonder if I can figure out how to ignore/block an entire thread.... yes, wise-guys, "just don't click on it". I know, I know. But I usually read posts in the "view current posts" scroll, and these keep coming up. This thread seems to be bringing out the worst in some of us on a myriad of subjects. Kinda makes me want to participate less at both forums. Any chance one of the participating mods would lock this ?female dog? up right now so it doesn't go where it is clearly heading? I just logged off, hit "recent" by habit, and saw your post... logged back in to thank and QFT.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Aug 17, 2017 16:50:05 GMT -5
No, it isn't. Dude, just stop. Your four reasons for banning him were: -he cheated with votes: there was picture evidence that someone else did here: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkangel12S/Hard_Evidence-he flamed his opponent: not from what I read in the voting thread -he accused an entire clan of cheating: what I saw on the thread was him saying they voted, i thought voting was the point -he harassed a mod: I saw him admit to that so I'd assume that's true So one of the four things, harassing a mod, was true. it wasn't public unless the thread was deleted so it must have been through pm. So pms were grounds for a ban. Am I just confused or what? Appears so to me. Sending PMs (in and of itself) are not grounds for a ban (said multiple times by multiple members, mods and admins). Sending HARASSING PMs to a mod or admin will get you the boot. You're making a fairly broad statement that equates sending PMs = bans. Context of the PM is what will determine whether you need to be punished. By all means, stir the pot some more. I'm fairly positive I know what's going to happen soon (and I doubt PMs are needed for it to happen). But hey no loss to a sock puppet account created on the 13th right?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 17, 2017 16:50:25 GMT -5
No, it isn't. Dude, just stop. Your four reasons for banning him were: -he cheated with votes: there was picture evidence that someone else did -he flamed his opponent: not from what I read in the voting thread -he accused an entire clan of cheating: what I saw on the thread was him saying they voted, i thought voting was the point -he harassed a mod: I saw him admit to that so I'd assume that's true So one of the four things, harassing a mod, was true. it wasn't public unless the thread was deleted so it must have been through pm. So pms were grounds for a ban. Am I just confused or what? First off, there's a HUGE difference between sending a PM or two and harassing someone, and I think you're smart enough to make that distinction. If you're not, I know the mods and admins are. Second, we've been told numerous times to curtail public discussions about that incident (specifically all new threads on the subject would be locked). I'm starting to think you opened this thread purely to circumvent that request knowing the conversation would eventually be steered to it. Third, thank you for again exemplifying exactly what I said I've seen first-hand with these types of deals, specifically 'alternative' forums, who starts them up, and why.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Aug 17, 2017 16:52:43 GMT -5
Your four reasons for banning him were: -he cheated with votes: there was picture evidence that someone else did -he flamed his opponent: not from what I read in the voting thread -he accused an entire clan of cheating: what I saw on the thread was him saying they voted, i thought voting was the point -he harassed a mod: I saw him admit to that so I'd assume that's true So one of the four things, harassing a mod, was true. it wasn't public unless the thread was deleted so it must have been through pm. So pms were grounds for a ban. Am I just confused or what? First off, there's a HUGE difference between sending a PM or two and harassing someone, and I think you're smart enough to make that distinction. If you're not, I know the mods and admins are. Second, we've been told numerous times to curtail public discussions about that incident. I'm starting to think you opened this thread purely to circumvent that request knowing the conversation would eventually be steered to it. Third, thank you for again exemplifying exactly what I said I've seen first-hand with these types of deals, specifically 'alternative' forums, who starts them up, and why. I started the thread to mention a new forum. I'm not the person that brought up the current topic, and I was also under the understanding that it wasn't being discussed anymore. Until it was.
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