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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 3:10:45 GMT -5
As the thread is getting very repetitive and everything is crystal clear with no more room for, Inpropose moving to cvt vs pdk vs "real" autotrans. Are they all can be called "automatic"? what about Toyota Yaris first gen semi-automatic transmission then? Is Tiptronic a semi, too? Will having your dad to tell you when to shift be classified as "semi-automatic"? I've never owned an automatic, so, if it doesn't have a manual clutch, I call it a couch. ?
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Post by Russel on Aug 14, 2017 3:37:44 GMT -5
As the thread is getting very repetitive and everything is crystal clear with no more room for, Inpropose moving to cvt vs pdk vs "real" autotrans. Are they all can be called "automatic"? what about Toyota Yaris first gen semi-automatic transmission then? Is Tiptronic a semi, too? Will having your dad to tell you when to shift be classified as "semi-automatic"? I've never owned an automatic, so, if it doesn't have a manual clutch, I call it a couch. ? What about MultiMode transmission? You MUST mash the knob, but it got no clutch pedal (I swear I am not making that up)
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 14, 2017 7:03:25 GMT -5
The Clip holds the rounfs in sequence to be fired. You can load a Clip directly into a Revolver .. The cylinder is an internal magazine. Also, whether the clip you're using to load the revolver is a speed strip, moon clip, or circular speed loader, the clip is fully removed before firing. This, the rounds are not fired from out of the clip. It's important to note that in the case of a revolver the rounds aren't in *sequence,* per se, so much as in *position.* You can't take the clip from one revolver and use it on a different model outside of a few exceptions. Cylinders can be different sizes, accept different calibers, or have different capacities (between four and eight!). In the case of the Garand (since that was mentioned) the rounds are stripped from the clip into the internal magazine and, although the clip can be left in the weapon until he magazine is emptied, if you look at the construction of that clip you'll see that it clearly covers the primer on the back of the cartridge case, meaning that it's impossible to fire unless the round is stripped out into the magazine, first. (They're all stripped out when the clip is inserted, actually. There's a fair bit of pressure involved as a result.) Again, a clip is _always_ constructed in such a way as to cover the primer. This is a critical safety measure for storage and transport. Since the primer is covered ignition of the powder is impossible. Thus, you can't fire from it directly. It's not that a clip and a magazine aren't pretty similar in some cases, but that there's a technical difference. These things I'm saying are easily verifiable even if you do as little as check Wikipedia. You can also chamber a single round into Any firearm. That seems totally irrelevant here, but it's worth noting that in the case of the revolver you actually *must* load the round into that internal magazine called the cylinder in order to fire and the round isn't simply loaded directly in front of the firing pin as you imply is the case in "Any firearm." -- Look, I'm trying really hard to compromise and be patient here, but it feels like you're starting to just flail for any excuse not to believe that there's something you're able to learn, here.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 11:26:02 GMT -5
The Clip holds the rounfs in sequence to be fired. You can load a Clip directly into a Revolver .. The cylinder is an internal magazine. Also, whether the clip you're using to load the revolver is a speed strip, moon clip, or circular speed loader, the clip is fully removed before firing. This, the rounds are not fired from out of the clip. It's important to note that in the case of a revolver the rounds aren't in *sequence,* per se, so much as in *position.* You can't take the clip from one revolver and use it on a different model outside of a few exceptions. Cylinders can be different sizes, accept different calibers, or have different capacities (between four and eight!). In the case of the Garand (since that was mentioned) the rounds are stripped from the clip into the internal magazine and, although the clip can be left in the weapon until he magazine is emptied, if you look at the construction of that clip you'll see that it clearly covers the primer on the back of the cartridge case, meaning that it's impossible to fire unless the round is stripped out into the magazine, first. (They're all stripped out when the clip is inserted, actually. There's a fair bit of pressure involved as a result.) Again, a clip is _always_ constructed in such a way as to cover the primer. This is a critical safety measure for storage and transport. Since the primer is covered ignition of the powder is impossible. Thus, you can't fire from it directly. It's not that a clip and a magazine aren't pretty similar in some cases, but that there's a technical difference. These things I'm saying are easily verifiable even if you do as little as check Wikipedia. You can also chamber a single round into Any firearm. That seems totally irrelevant here, but it's worth noting that in the case of the revolver you actually *must* load the round into that internal magazine called the cylinder in order to fire and the round isn't simply loaded directly in front of the firing pin as you imply is the case in "Any firearm." -- Look, I'm trying really hard to compromise and be patient here, but it feels like you're starting to just flail for any excuse not to believe that there's something you're able to learn, here. You get an " A" for effort on this one. They are called "cylinders" because that is what they are. They do not even act similar to a magazine. Calling a cylinder a magazine is ridiculous. Quoting Wikipedia is also a sign of poor research. Two tours Navy ..
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 11:55:56 GMT -5
I've never owned an automatic, so, if it doesn't have a manual clutch, I call it a couch. ? What about MultiMode transmission? You MUST mash the knob, but it got no clutch pedal (I swear I am not making that up) ? dahfuq! In my opinion that's an automatic. I feel it's the finesse of clutch operation that defines a maunal transmission, that's why they keep trying to remove it.
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 12:11:04 GMT -5
The cylinder is an internal magazine. Also, whether the clip you're using to load the revolver is a speed strip, moon clip, or circular speed loader, the clip is fully removed before firing. This, the rounds are not fired from out of the clip. It's important to note that in the case of a revolver the rounds aren't in *sequence,* per se, so much as in *position.* You can't take the clip from one revolver and use it on a different model outside of a few exceptions. Cylinders can be different sizes, accept different calibers, or have different capacities (between four and eight!). In the case of the Garand (since that was mentioned) the rounds are stripped from the clip into the internal magazine and, although the clip can be left in the weapon until he magazine is emptied, if you look at the construction of that clip you'll see that it clearly covers the primer on the back of the cartridge case, meaning that it's impossible to fire unless the round is stripped out into the magazine, first. (They're all stripped out when the clip is inserted, actually. There's a fair bit of pressure involved as a result.) Again, a clip is _always_ constructed in such a way as to cover the primer. This is a critical safety measure for storage and transport. Since the primer is covered ignition of the powder is impossible. Thus, you can't fire from it directly. It's not that a clip and a magazine aren't pretty similar in some cases, but that there's a technical difference. These things I'm saying are easily verifiable even if you do as little as check Wikipedia. That seems totally irrelevant here, but it's worth noting that in the case of the revolver you actually *must* load the round into that internal magazine called the cylinder in order to fire and the round isn't simply loaded directly in front of the firing pin as you imply is the case in "Any firearm." -- Look, I'm trying really hard to compromise and be patient here, but it feels like you're starting to just flail for any excuse not to believe that there's something you're able to learn, here. You get an " A" for effort on this one. They are called "cylinders" because that is what they are. They do not even act similar to a magazine. Calling a cylinder a magazine is ridiculous. Quoting Wikipedia is also a sign of poor research. Two tours Navy .. The cylinder is essentially a rotating chamber, no mag. Moon clips leave the primers exposed so the cartridges look like the old red caps from childhood. I would still say they are fired from the cylinder (or wheel). Although, moon clips would be the clostest thing to an exception in this debate. Oh, I own a S&W 686 and Ruger GP100, both .357. Not ALL firearms can be loaded directly to the chamber. I use wiki cuz I'm too lazy to type. However; most of my knowledge is from attained from reloading, competition shooting and smithing. So, unfortunately my knowledge in limited to long guns and handguns.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 14, 2017 12:18:57 GMT -5
LOL I got used to this a long time ago, but it IS nice to see it spoken of and the difference to be pointed out... just don't expect it to make a difference with common usage! Quoting myself to point out the bolded and underlined portion... I believe I was validated! It really isn't important to the way we talk about the game and that is why I never say anything... but yeah... I stopped cringing about a week or two into using the forum... Just wait till the whole AR vs AK debate shows its ugly head... so far there hasn't been a need... but I feel it is coming soon now... *looks for sandbags to start shoring up for that debate... prepping has so many forms! *
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Post by WE034 on Aug 14, 2017 12:27:08 GMT -5
I submit to the crowd, two mutant revolvers from days past with a hope for interesting debate on how best to quantify function characteristics.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 14, 2017 12:46:23 GMT -5
I submit to the crowd, two mutant revolvers from days past with a hope for interesting debate on how best to quantify function characteristics. Oh God... *flashbacks of 100 rd drums for GLocks come to mind.* Those are cool AF though...
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Post by Russel on Aug 14, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -5
What about MultiMode transmission? You MUST mash the knob, but it got no clutch pedal (I swear I am not making that up) ? dahfuq! In my opinion that's an automatic. I feel it's the finesse of clutch operation that defines a maunal transmission, that's why they keep trying to remove it. Yep, that was almost my quote when I first saw that :-D Thought it was a custom-made one, but turned out Toyota was going all the way for the cheapest small car during Yaris (or Vitz overseas), so they won't put electric motors for actual gear change mechanism. Back on topic - here is a funny gun. Is it a "clip", or no?
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 14, 2017 13:00:23 GMT -5
You get an " A" for effort on this one. Quoting Wikipedia is also a sign of poor research. Two tours Navy .. Ok, fine. If all you want to do is argue and be a jerk, no matter how demonstrably wrong you are, then I'm out. You stopped responding to the actual point and are now just looking for irrelevant minor technicalities and making ad hominem attacks. (Tell me that Wikipedia is lazy when I use it as an example of one of a million places you could easily verify even though I *wasn't* actually quoting it? Please.) And as someone who's owned a business for more than a dozen years that has taught the Navy, the Marines, and the Army combat skills (which is a good bit more than your two tours) let me tell you something I've learned: of the three the Navy is the one that consistently has the worst understanding of combat mechanics and has the most lapses in gun safety. It's probably a result of the fact that they teach it the least to their soldiers. So go ahead and be ignorant and obstinate on this issue. It's your choice. It doesn't make *me* feel inferior. ...and at least in this case, I'm not getting paid either way. #Can'tHelpTheHelpless
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 13:06:33 GMT -5
? dahfuq! In my opinion that's an automatic. I feel it's the finesse of clutch operation that defines a maunal transmission, that's why they keep trying to remove it. Yep, that was almost my quote when I first saw that :-D Thought it was a custom-made one, but turned out Toyota was going all the way for the cheapest small car during Yaris (or Vitz overseas), so they won't put electric motors for actual gear change mechanism. Back on topic - here is a funny gun. Is it a "clip", or no? It's called a harmonica, more like a cylinder than a clip.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 13:27:02 GMT -5
You get an " A" for effort on this one. Quoting Wikipedia is also a sign of poor research. Two tours Navy .. Ok, fine. If all you want to do is argue and be a jerk, no matter how demonstrably wrong you are, then I'm out. You stopped responding to the actual point and are now just looking for irrelevant minor technicalities and making ad hominem attacks. (Tell me that Wikipedia is lazy when I use it as an example of one of a million places you could easily verify even though I *wasn't* actually quoting it? Please.) And as someone who's owned a business for more than a dozen years that has taught the Navy, the Marines, and the Army combat skills (which is a good bit more than your two tours) let me tell you something I've learned: of the three the Navy is the one that consistently has the worst understanding of combat mechanics and has the most lapses in gun safety. It's probably a result of the fact that they teach it the least to their soldiers. So go ahead and be ignorant and obstinate on this issue. It's your choice. It doesn't make *me* feel inferior. ...and at least in this case, I'm not getting paid either way. #Can'tHelpTheHelpless I'm not arguing, anything. You likened a revolver to sub/auto firearm and told me to reference Wikipedia. It was a poor comparison, that's all. If you taught military, then you should be well aware of reliability of revolvers and basic knowledge of these firearms is essential to understanding how machine guns operates. I, a few times now, have kept things in context of the Thread.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 13:32:42 GMT -5
You get an " A" for effort on this one. They are called "cylinders" because that is what they are. They do not even act similar to a magazine. Calling a cylinder a magazine is ridiculous. Quoting Wikipedia is also a sign of poor research. Two tours Navy .. The cylinder is essentially a rotating chamber, no mag. Moon clips leave the primers exposed so the cartridges look like the old red caps from childhood. I would still say they are fired from the cylinder (or wheel). Although, moon clips would be the clostest thing to an exception in this debate. Oh, I own a S&W 686 and Ruger GP100, both .357. Not ALL firearms can be loaded directly to the chamber. I use wiki cuz I'm too lazy to type. However; most of my knowledge is from attained from reloading, competition shooting and smithing. So, unfortunately my knowledge in limited to long guns and handguns. The terms have been interchangeably used for so long that few of us are able to discern the difference. Good Thread and topic to discuss .. and I say the Calisto is most BA pistol.
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 15, 2017 21:01:37 GMT -5
The cylinder is essentially a rotating chamber, no mag. Moon clips leave the primers exposed so the cartridges look like the old red caps from childhood. I would still say they are fired from the cylinder (or wheel). Although, moon clips would be the clostest thing to an exception in this debate. Oh, I own a S&W 686 and Ruger GP100, both .357. Not ALL firearms can be loaded directly to the chamber. I use wiki cuz I'm too lazy to type. However; most of my knowledge is from attained from reloading, competition shooting and smithing. So, unfortunately my knowledge in limited to long guns and handguns. The terms have been interchangeably used for so long that few of us are able to discern the difference. Good Thread and topic to discuss .. and I say the Calisto is most BA pistol. Hahahaha from Perfect Dark? My vote is for the original Halo:Combat Evolved magnum. OP is the way to be.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 15, 2017 22:19:55 GMT -5
The terms have been interchangeably used for so long that few of us are able to discern the difference. Good Thread and topic to discuss .. and I say the Calisto is most BA pistol. Hahahaha from Perfect Dark? My vote is for the original Halo:Combat Evolved magnum. OP is the way to be. Nah, the Calisto is a real weapon - Italian design. But I didn't know that they the HALO: EVO! Cool beans ..
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 15, 2017 22:57:00 GMT -5
Shouldn't this be in the beautiful women thread? Btw, I would have shown a stripper clip of 5.56x45mm Nato, rather than 7.62x39mm Russian. But I'm just picky.
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 15, 2017 22:59:41 GMT -5
Hahahaha from Perfect Dark? My vote is for the original Halo:Combat Evolved magnum. OP is the way to be. Nah, the Calisto is a real weapon - Italian design. But I didn't know that they the HALO: EVO! Cool beans .. Hmm... I've never heard of the calisto. That was a (cosplay?) mock-up. If a working model was ever prosuced I'd be all over it though.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 16, 2017 9:56:26 GMT -5
Nah, the Calisto is a real weapon - Italian design. But I didn't know that they the HALO: EVO! Cool beans .. Hmm... I've never heard of the calisto. That was a (cosplay?) mock-up. If a working model was ever prosuced I'd be all over it though. I'd love to see a working model of the HALO: EVO. That would be awesome. They should build the HALO: AR, too .. for shts and giggles - and the Marines. Seriously, I don't know why company's build some of their weapons, aesthetically appealing, like we see in some games. I understand Copyright and what not but a more advanced looking, not just operational, weapons should be designed in my opinion.
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 16, 2017 11:18:47 GMT -5
Hmm... I've never heard of the calisto. That was a (cosplay?) mock-up. If a working model was ever prosuced I'd be all over it though. I'd love to see a working model of the HALO: EVO. That would be awesome. They should build the HALO: AR, too .. for shts and giggles - and the Marines. Seriously, I don't know why company's build some of their weapons, aesthetically appealing, like we see in some games. I understand Copyright and what not but a more advanced looking, not just operational, weapons should be designed in my opinion. Aesthetics rarely have anything to do with functionality. For reference, I present the Navy's experimental rail gun.
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 16, 2017 12:12:18 GMT -5
I'd love to see a working model of the HALO: EVO. That would be awesome. They should build the HALO: AR, too .. for shts and giggles - and the Marines. Seriously, I don't know why company's build some of their weapons, aesthetically appealing, like we see in some games. I understand Copyright and what not but a more advanced looking, not just operational, weapons should be designed in my opinion. Aesthetics rarely have anything to do with functionality. For reference, I present the Navy's experimental rail gun. True. The rail-gun is cool AF, though. Runs off garbage, bilge or anything else that you got. But who doesn't want a BA looking HALO weapon? - I do lol
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Post by WE034 on Aug 16, 2017 13:43:03 GMT -5
I'd love to see a working model of the HALO: EVO. That would be awesome. They should build the HALO: AR, too .. for shts and giggles - and the Marines. Seriously, I don't know why company's build some of their weapons, aesthetically appealing, like we see in some games. I understand Copyright and what not but a more advanced looking, not just operational, weapons should be designed in my opinion. Aesthetics rarely have anything to do with functionality. For reference, I present the Navy's experimental rail gun. Concur, Old Man. I abhor a value for aesthetics. Much like you, it's born out of past IRL experience. I've found even the smallest inkling of valuing the look of a work gun, tends to negatively affect overall performance, both the gun and/or the person driving it. Cheers,
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 17, 2017 7:05:01 GMT -5
Aesthetics rarely have anything to do with functionality. For reference, I present the Navy's experimental rail gun. Concur, Old Man. I abhor a value for aesthetics. Much like you, it's born out of past IRL experience. I've found even the smallest inkling of valuing the look of a work gun, tends to negatively affect overall performance, both the gun and/or the person driving it. Cheers, So much for dual tone cerakoting. ?
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Post by WE034 on Aug 17, 2017 11:34:49 GMT -5
Concur, Old Man. I abhor a value for aesthetics. Much like you, it's born out of past IRL experience. I've found even the smallest inkling of valuing the look of a work gun, tends to negatively affect overall performance, both the gun and/or the person driving it. Cheers, So much for dual tone cerakoting. ? ? Sure, if you don't have access/funds for better coatings and more durable than most blueing jobs. And, if you use the weapon vs caring about chipping or wear...
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