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Post by Firebeard on Aug 13, 2017 2:09:15 GMT -5
I was simply saying, that Clips are a collection of rounds. You fire the rounds that are of the Clip - you have depleted the collection of rounds in the Clip. Therefore, "Emptying a Clip into a target," is accurate. The point was that NONE of the weapons in this game have a clip. Wish there was a facepalm emoji. Read Mahlakai's post above, he explained it well. Again this is symantics, popular terminology vs fact. Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. |
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Post by Paps on Aug 13, 2017 7:50:42 GMT -5
Up to now, I was purposely avoiding this thread.
Guesstimated what it'd devolve into.
Am not disappointed.
Mag, clip, bullet holder for shooty thing... call it whatever. I can guess what's meant, well enough.
Even if it's not 100% spot on, nomenclature-wise.
I do feel inner pangs of sadness when I hear clip (unless specifically referring to stripper or en bloc clips) instead of magazine, but life goes on.
The molots and GAU's are probably linkless feed anyways.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 13, 2017 8:43:13 GMT -5
If I say 'I emptied a full clip' in referencing the unloading of a full salvo, do you know what I'm talking about? I think yes, most people would get it. Like most other people here, I'm not a RL weapons expert. So ima keep calling it a clip. Soz. yes, I know what your talking about... you unloaded a vintage M1... right? The thing is; I know what your talking about, but do you? Umm, no, I thought that was fairly obvious. You didn't have to rub it in. And I thought 'shoot my load' might take on the wrong kind of meaning around here. |
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Post by WE034 on Aug 13, 2017 12:09:59 GMT -5
Got her number? Actually, does she have a sister, cause I'll take 2!   |
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Post by WE034 on Aug 13, 2017 12:33:23 GMT -5
I was simply saying, that Clips are a collection of rounds. You fire the rounds that are of the Clip - you have depleted the collection of rounds in the Clip. Therefore, "Emptying a Clip into a target," is accurate. The point was that NONE of the weapons in this game have a clip. Wish there was a facepalm emoji. Read Mahlakai's post above, he explained it well. Again this is symantics, popular terminology vs fact. I agree with Paps above, this is old argument that given the nature of weapons systems over the course of real history, you can find just about any type of exception to the rule in regards to AHS' or ammunition handling systems (bigger platforms). And it probably even applies to the notional weapons in this game. The Tempest looks like it feeds from and open "clip" during firing.  much like in real life, the Bofors 40mm cannon   at this point, I think we're arguing a point without an accurate answer for every instance. If we really want to argue terminology, even that's a tough one, given many of the concepts in debate have multiple terms. "Charger" vs "clip", "hopper" vs "drum" etc. And just for fun....  |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Aug 13, 2017 13:09:29 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the bullet vs round terminology ---- it's the same in the context and everyone knows what you are talking about.
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Post by Russel on Aug 13, 2017 15:02:25 GMT -5
The point was that NONE of the weapons in this game have a clip. Wish there was a facepalm emoji. Read Mahlakai's post above, he explained it well. Again this is symantics, popular terminology vs fact. I agree with Paps above, this is old argument that given the nature of weapons systems over the course of real history, you can find just about any type of exception to the rule in regards to AHS' or ammunition handling systems (bigger platforms). And it probably even applies to the notional weapons in this game. The Tempest looks like it feeds from and open "clip" during firing. much like in real life, the Bofors 40mm cannon at this point, I think we're arguing a point without an accurate answer for every instance. If we really want to argue terminology, even that's a tough one, given many of the concepts in debate have multiple terms. "Charger" vs "clip", "hopper" vs "drum" etc. And just for fun.... Oh come on, man, you've ruined my post :( I was going to ask Paps and you have you seen the Tempest, because they look a hell like a clip-loaded to me. But you beat me to it, it's not fair! :-D |
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Post by Paps on Aug 13, 2017 18:58:06 GMT -5
Nice banana clip, WE034 ? |
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 13, 2017 23:37:24 GMT -5
The Tempest looks like it feeds from and open "clip" during firing much like in real life, the Bofors 40mm cannon That's actually a gravity-fed magazine, technically. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 23:45:55 GMT -5
Got her number? Actually, does she have a sister, cause I'll take 2! 「( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)」! |
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Aug 13, 2017 23:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by Strayed on Aug 13, 2017 23:50:21 GMT -5
The point was that NONE of the weapons in this game have a clip. Wish there was a facepalm emoji. Read Mahlakai's post above, he explained it well. Again this is symantics, popular terminology vs fact. Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. Some firearms don't have magazines though. Take the M1 Garand and its contemporaries for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 23:52:53 GMT -5
Ah, the Spectre! If they weren't afraid of the dark before, they are now. .......it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. |
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Post by Paps on Aug 14, 2017 0:05:42 GMT -5
Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. Some firearms don't have magazines though. Take the M1 Garand and its contemporaries for example. The mag is internal. Garands don't have detachable box magazines though, you're right. |
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Post by Muhlakai on Aug 14, 2017 0:09:46 GMT -5
So, I'm *trying* to make sure I'm not just misunderstanding you here, but.... The "Magazine" is the box the "Clip" comes in, so to speak. A Magazine is nothing more than a 'box for the bullets of the weapon. The only reason magazines are used is expediency and convenience. {A magazine is} just a spring loaded mechanism that 'pops' the bullet in the chamber. Modern weapons are built around this functionality but still allow for manual reload(s) of individual rounds. Your definition of a magazine has problems with precision of language and you clearly don't understand the technicalities of the loading process, but.... The 'Clip is/are the rounds themselves. Therefore, "Emptying a Clip into a target," is accurate. A Clip is only a bunch of bullets 'clipped' together for faster magazine loading. You reload a weapon with a "Magazine" that holds the "Clip." You fire the rounds that are of the Clip - you have depleted the collection of rounds in the Clip. Yikes. I get it: you're not a gun expert and you've got enough knowledge to be dangerous. You mostly understand how a magazine works and you kinda understand how bullets go from the magazine to the firing chamber, but wowza are you off in some strange ways on what a clip is that is the cause of all this confusion. You fire rounds from a magazine. There is no firearm in history that fires from a clip. This is not because of a technological "missing link" but because of how they're defined. A) If rounds are loaded from it directly into the firing chamber then it's a magazine. B) If rounds are held for later loading into a magazine then it's a clip. Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. Whoa. We're getting closer! ...but no. Emptying the clip FILLS the magazine. And emptying the magazine doesn't empty the clip because the clip was emptied *first.* - You can reload a clip. That's putting bullets into the clip. You can NOT fire bullets from a clip. Clips actually cover the primer to *prevent* this. - You can reload a magazine. You can do this by hand or by using an already-loaded clip to do it. (Clips are generally lighter and more compact, but require human effort, not gun effort, before the bullets are usable.) - You can manually load the firing chamber of a weapon by opening the firing bolt and inserting a round with your fingers. Some guns have an actual handle on the bolt. Others require you to operate a slide or even "break open" the action on the gun itself, like older shotguns. (Magazines were a way to reduce the need for this effort.) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 0:10:56 GMT -5
Some firearms don't have magazines though. Take the M1 Garand and its contemporaries for example. The M1 Garland does have a magazine. It is feed via an 8rd end bloc clip. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 0:23:12 GMT -5
Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. Some firearms don't have magazines though. Take the M1 Garand and its contemporaries for example. True. For the purpose of this Thread though, the Punisher, I guess, would be belt-driven like an M-80 and the Molot would be Drums. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 0:34:37 GMT -5
So, I'm *trying* to make sure I'm not just misunderstanding you here, but.... The "Magazine" is the box the "Clip" comes in, so to speak. A Magazine is nothing more than a 'box for the bullets of the weapon. The only reason magazines are used is expediency and convenience. {A magazine is} just a spring loaded mechanism that 'pops' the bullet in the chamber. Modern weapons are built around this functionality but still allow for manual reload(s) of individual rounds. Your definition of a magazine has problems with precision of language and you clearly don't understand the technicalities of the loading process, but.... The 'Clip is/are the rounds themselves. Therefore, "Emptying a Clip into a target," is accurate. A Clip is only a bunch of bullets 'clipped' together for faster magazine loading. You reload a weapon with a "Magazine" that holds the "Clip." You fire the rounds that are of the Clip - you have depleted the collection of rounds in the Clip. Yikes. I get it: you're not a gun expert and you've got enough knowledge to be dangerous. You mostly understand how a magazine works and you kinda understand how bullets go from the magazine to the firing chamber, but wowza are you off in some strange ways on what a clip is that is the cause of all this confusion. You fire rounds from a magazine. There is no firearm in history that fires from a clip. This is not because of a technological "missing link" but because of how they're defined. A) If rounds are loaded from it directly into the firing chamber then it's a magazine. B) If rounds are held for later loading into a magazine then it's a clip. Clips feed Magazines. Magazines feed firearms. Emptying the Clip empties the Magazine .. Whoa. We're getting closer! ...but no. Emptying the clip FILLS the magazine. And emptying the magazine doesn't empty the clip because the clip was emptied *first.* - You can reload a clip. That's putting bullets into the clip. You can NOT fire bullets from a clip. Clips actually cover the primer to *prevent* this. - You can reload a magazine. You can do this by hand or by using an already-loaded clip to do it. (Clips are generally lighter and more compact, but require human effort, not gun effort, before the bullets are usable.) - You can manually load the firing chamber of a weapon by opening the firing bolt and inserting a round with your fingers. Some guns have an actual handle on the bolt. Others require you to operate a slide or even "break open" the action on the gun itself, like older shotguns. (Magazines were a way to reduce the need for this effort.) The Clip holds the rounfs in sequence to be fired. You can load a Clip directly into a Revolver .. |
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 1:15:04 GMT -5
I gave up trying to respond. It gets too wordy and I never check the forum on a computer. I've learned who really knows what they are talking about on the topic and who...
Thanks to those who have a firm understanding, actual experience, and spent the time writing acurate responses.
If you care to see...
Clips are essentially speed loaders; in the case of the M1 Garand, the clip CAN be left in the magazine but does not NEED to be. Pah-ting "He's out! Move!"
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 1:31:29 GMT -5
So, I'm *trying* to make sure I'm not just misunderstanding you here, but.... Your definition of a magazine has problems with precision of language and you clearly don't understand the technicalities of the loading process, but.... Yikes. I get it: you're not a gun expert and you've got enough knowledge to be dangerous. You mostly understand how a magazine works and you kinda understand how bullets go from the magazine to the firing chamber, but wowza are you off in some strange ways on what a clip is that is the cause of all this confusion. You fire rounds from a magazine. There is no firearm in history that fires from a clip. This is not because of a technological "missing link" but because of how they're defined. A) If rounds are loaded from it directly into the firing chamber then it's a magazine. B) If rounds are held for later loading into a magazine then it's a clip. Whoa. We're getting closer! ...but no. Emptying the clip FILLS the magazine. And emptying the magazine doesn't empty the clip because the clip was emptied *first.* - You can reload a clip. That's putting bullets into the clip. You can NOT fire bullets from a clip. Clips actually cover the primer to *prevent* this. - You can reload a magazine. You can do this by hand or by using an already-loaded clip to do it. (Clips are generally lighter and more compact, but require human effort, not gun effort, before the bullets are usable.) - You can manually load the firing chamber of a weapon by opening the firing bolt and inserting a round with your fingers. Some guns have an actual handle on the bolt. Others require you to operate a slide or even "break open" the action on the gun itself, like older shotguns. (Magazines were a way to reduce the need for this effort.) The Clip holds the rounfs in sequence to be fired. You can load a Clip directly into a Revolver .. You'd still be firing the rounds from the cylinder. |
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 1:37:19 GMT -5
I agree with Paps above, this is old argument that given the nature of weapons systems over the course of real history, you can find just about any type of exception to the rule in regards to AHS' or ammunition handling systems (bigger platforms). And it probably even applies to the notional weapons in this game. The Tempest looks like it feeds from and open "clip" during firing. much like in real life, the Bofors 40mm cannon at this point, I think we're arguing a point without an accurate answer for every instance. If we really want to argue terminology, even that's a tough one, given many of the concepts in debate have multiple terms. "Charger" vs "clip", "hopper" vs "drum" etc. And just for fun.... Oh come on, man, you've ruined my post  I was going to ask Paps and you have you seen the Tempest, because they look a hell like a clip-loaded to me. But you beat me to it, it's not fair! :-D Unfortunately I missed out on the tempest.? So I haven't gotten a very good look at it. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 1:37:29 GMT -5
The Clip holds the rounfs in sequence to be fired. You can load a Clip directly into a Revolver .. You'd still be firing the rounds from the cylinder. I don't know how to respond to that, other than .. That's a stretch. |
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 1:44:27 GMT -5
You'd still be firing the rounds from the cylinder. I don't know how to respond to that, other than .. That's a stretch.  The clip loads the cylinder. I has nothing to do with, nor is it necessary for discharging the weapon. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 1:50:10 GMT -5
I don't know how to respond to that, other than .. That's a stretch. The clip loads the cylinder. I has nothing to do with, nor is it necessary for discharging the weapon. Still a stretch. A Revolver is a direct action firearm. Revolvers don't need magazines. |
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 2:08:05 GMT -5
The clip loads the cylinder. I has nothing to do with, nor is it necessary for discharging the weapon. Still a stretch. A Revolver is a direct action firearm. Revolvers don't need magazines. Your right, because they have cylinders. They don't need clips either. I've forgotten what point your debating.. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 2:17:49 GMT -5
Still a stretch. A Revolver is a direct action firearm. Revolvers don't need magazines. Your right, because they have cylinders. They don't need clips either. I've forgotten what point your debating.. Now you're getting semantic .. You can also chamber a single round into Any firearm. |
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Post by GHOST ina SHELL on Aug 14, 2017 2:26:05 GMT -5
Your right, because they have cylinders. They don't need clips either. I've forgotten what point your debating.. Now you're getting semantic .. You can also chamber a single round into Any firearm. I'm guessing you've never heard of a magazine disconnector. One of the "safety" features my lovely state has tried to make manditory. You can load a single round... but you need a mag to fire. |
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Post by Firebeard on Aug 14, 2017 2:41:50 GMT -5
Now you're getting semantic .. You can also chamber a single round into Any firearm. I'm guessing you've never heard of a magazine disconnector. One of the "safety" features my lovely state has tried to make manditory. You can load a single round... but you need a mag to fire. Well, that sux. So, buy a .357  |
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Post by WilsonK on Aug 14, 2017 2:43:15 GMT -5
Well if you wanted to get technical, A belt fed machine gun, which I believe the Punishers, Tempest and molot fall into use neither a clip or Magazine. It would be referred to as a "feed strip" or "ammo tray". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_(firearms)Or "ammo belt"  Seven sixty two anyone? |
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Post by Russel on Aug 14, 2017 2:56:47 GMT -5
As the thread is getting very repetitive and everything is crystal clear with no more room for debate, I propose moving to cvt vs pdk vs "real" autotrans. Are they all can be called "automatic"?
what about Toyota Yaris first gen semi-automatic transmission then?
Is Tiptronic a semi, too?
Will having your dad to tell you when to shift be classified as "semi-automatic"?
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