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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 31, 2016 21:58:04 GMT -5
NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN IDEA, AND THE DISCUSSION OF IT. THIS CLAN IS A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, NOT A CURRENT CLAN.
There are heaps of people on the wiki and free forums that complain about clubbers and reckon action should be taken against them. Well, I think we as the informed minority could make a clan that swoops down and targets clubbers and clubber clans. This is just an idea tho, and I'd love to hear opinions on it. I think this might be a really good idea, but personally I'm not sure how it's going to work, other than that it's sole purpose is to make the game fun for emerging players by guarding them from clubbers, and giving clubbers hell for being common arseholes.
opinions s'il vous plait?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 31, 2016 22:02:39 GMT -5
You know an 'anti clubber' clan is essentially a clubber clan right? A clubber is an experienced player that drops down to lower tiers, and there would be no way for this to be beneficial, as you would either: A. Find players with clan tags and mech them, then leave the game, essentially disadvantaging your team anyway. Or B. Find clubbers, mech them out and then inevitably club seals  . |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Dec 31, 2016 22:08:04 GMT -5
You know an 'anti clubber' clan is essentially a clubber clan right? A clubber is an experienced player that drops down to lower tiers, and there would be no way for this to be beneficial, as you would either: A. Find players with clan tags and mech them, then leave the game, essentially disadvantaging your team anyway. Or B. Find clubbers, mech them out and then inevitably club seals . No sir, clubbing is dropping to low tiers for the sake of rewards. Dropping to low tiers for the sake of guarding the newbies is not clubbing seals. And by the time clubbers get meched out, the match will almost be over and the 'seals' will be low in number anyway. |
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Dec 31, 2016 22:08:32 GMT -5
I personally am not against this as I'm not a seal clubber myself. Just keep in mind that there will a change in MM put in place by Pixo that will place sealclubbers against sealclubbers.. So it's all a matter of time before the problem is fixed.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 31, 2016 22:17:00 GMT -5
You know an 'anti clubber' clan is essentially a clubber clan right? A clubber is an experienced player that drops down to lower tiers, and there would be no way for this to be beneficial, as you would either: A. Find players with clan tags and mech them, then leave the game, essentially disadvantaging your team anyway. Or B. Find clubbers, mech them out and then inevitably club seals . No sir, clubbing is dropping to low tiers for the sake of rewards. Dropping to low tiers for the sake of guarding the newbies is not clubbing seals. And by the time clubbers get meched out, the match will almost be over and the 'seals' will be low in number anyway. please explain how a typical game of anti clubbing would all pan out. |
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Post by Strayed on Dec 31, 2016 23:19:06 GMT -5
In my opinion, no.
The wiki is supposed to be welcoming to all player types as long as they are not cheating. The admins & mods even maintain a balance between pro-clubbing and anti-clubbers(two anti-clubbers, one fairly neutral, two pro-clubbing, although we do have a consensus against bronze clubbing).
The fact is, creating an "anti-clubbing" clan and sticking the wiki tag on it would be an insult to the wiki, as the entire point of the wiki is to provide a place for everyone in the game to be able to discuss things freely and give advice to one another. Well, that is as long as they are not breaking any of the rules of the wiki or any of pixonic's rules. Currently, there are no wiki rules against sealclubbing, and even if there was, there would be no real way to enforce it.
Creating an anti-clubber clan would just be a waste of time for everyone involved. It's pixo's problem, leave it up to pixo to solve it. Currently, all we can do is attempt to convince any would-be clubbers and hope they stop.
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Post by Dredd77 on Dec 31, 2016 23:43:03 GMT -5
I'm not really interested in clanning, for a few reasons.
But this kind of clan I'd rock in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 23:44:33 GMT -5
No sir, clubbing is dropping to low tiers for the sake of rewards. Dropping to low tiers for the sake of guarding the newbies is not clubbing seals. And by the time clubbers get meched out, the match will almost be over and the 'seals' will be low in number anyway. please explain how a typical game of anti clubbing would all pan out. A team of Taran Boas + Thunder Taran Ecu Golem vs Mag / Pinata / Aphid Gepards |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 1, 2017 0:36:15 GMT -5
Your polls continue to be an unfunny joke. Like a fart noise in church.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 1, 2017 1:02:40 GMT -5
The other problem is that the definition of a clubber is not really accepted by everyone. The definition of an experienced lvl 30 player gaming the system to compete in bronze with an OP line up is what I've seen defined as clubbing by some...others it is defined by bot types (mag gep line up). So what exactly would you target? Just mag geps? Specific clans? How would you know a clubber vs a newb who bought a gep and has lvl 1 mags?
IMO, Lvl 30 players running taran boas in bronze are just as much clubbers as lvl 30 mag gep drivers....but the majority of folks on this forum accept that version of "clubbing" as the boa is more widely available for purchase. Seems like you'd run into definition issues everywhere and just cause more chaos.
I hope the MM system changes will get the experienced players out of lower tiers this coming quarter.
Cheers!
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Post by daget001 on Jan 3, 2017 15:03:50 GMT -5
squads of 2 or 3 L1/9 Mag Geps with 3 or more Mag Geps in their Hangar is a pretty common sight in bronze. I think High kill rates will soon mean promotion into high tiers regardless anyways..... unless that rumour is just that - a rumour? fingers crossed, but its not in Pixonics interest to have a fair game, not when spending gold can even things out a bit.  |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 3, 2017 15:22:10 GMT -5
I'm already in a clan and am pleased at how it is progressing, but I have to say that I would be interested in something like this. I guess you'll need to rename it, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 16:07:59 GMT -5
please explain how a typical game of anti clubbing would all pan out. A team of Taran Boas + Thunder Taran Ecu Golem vs Mag / Pinata / Aphid Gepards So, what would you do when you find that your 3-player anti-clubber team loaded with WSP Boas enter a match where there are no clubbers present on the red team? Abort - leaving the other blue guys down 3 to 6? Kill the red team - effectively clubbing without Gepards? I went through bronze as I started up my secondary account a few months back, and clubbers were not *that* common. Not sure, but think I'd see one in maybe 25-35% of games there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 16:28:32 GMT -5
A team of Taran Boas + Thunder Taran Ecu Golem vs Mag / Pinata / Aphid Gepards So, what would you do when you find that your 3-player anti-clubber team loaded with WSP Boas enter a match where there are no clubbers present on the red team? Abort - leaving the other blue guys down 3 to 6? Kill the red team - effectively clubbing without Gepards? I went through bronze as I started up my secondary account a few months back, and clubbers were not *that* common. Not sure, but think I'd see one in maybe 25-35% of games there.
If a match does not start in 15 seconds, then you cancel the search and start over. I wouldn't join an anti-clubber clan mainly because I like playing in high silver/low gold |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 4, 2017 3:12:29 GMT -5
Also this is another example of a 'salty poll', a poll specifically designed to choose salty's answer (though of course there will be people like me that will choose the latter option no matter what) #antisaltypoll.
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Post by BooBooKitty on Jan 4, 2017 3:16:23 GMT -5
I love clubbing seals and what it stands for!
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Post by Ѕπλκε✵Σψεs on Jan 4, 2017 3:46:37 GMT -5
I love clubbing seals and what it stands for!  |
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Post by BooBooKitty on Jan 4, 2017 4:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 5, 2017 7:22:31 GMT -5
In my opinion, no. The wiki is supposed to be welcoming to all player types as long as they are not cheating. The admins & mods even maintain a balance between pro-clubbing and anti-clubbers(two anti-clubbers, one fairly neutral, two pro-clubbing, although we do have a consensus against bronze clubbing). The fact is, creating an "anti-clubbing" clan and sticking the wiki tag on it would be an insult to the wiki, as the entire point of the wiki is to provide a place for everyone in the game to be able to discuss things freely and give advice to one another. Well, that is as long as they are not breaking any of the rules of the wiki or any of pixonic's rules. Currently, there are no wiki rules against sealclubbing, and even if there was, there would be no real way to enforce it. Creating an anti-clubber clan would just be a waste of time for everyone involved. It's pixo's problem, leave it up to pixo to solve it. Currently, all we can do is attempt to convince any would-be clubbers and hope they stop. Really?!?! We are balanced? Which side am I on? |
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Post by Strayed on Jan 5, 2017 20:57:06 GMT -5
Anti-clubbing: Me, Schnitz
Neutral: Weed
Pro-clubbing: You, DT
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 5, 2017 21:02:51 GMT -5
Awww.... I feel misunderstood!!
I'm not pro clubbing. Far from it. I'm against it. But I'm also aware that it isn't against the rules and I refuse condemn people who are not breaking any rules in a game. I think it is Pix's responsibility to affect change as opposed to the players having to do it.
It's like Hack-a-Shaq in the NBA. I hate it. But it isn't against the rules. And in any case, I don't play in bronze or silver anyway. The MM wont even let me nowadays. ?
I declare myself neutral.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 5, 2017 21:25:30 GMT -5
But I'm also aware that it isn't against the rules and I refuse condemn people who are not breaking any rules in a game. i have seen you condemn several for being seal clubbers. One of them is me. I'd say you're pretty anti-clubbing, even if you won't admit to it . |
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 5, 2017 23:04:50 GMT -5
But I'm also aware that it isn't against the rules and I refuse condemn people who are not breaking any rules in a game. i have seen you condemn several for being seal clubbers. One of them is me. I'd say you're pretty anti-clubbing, even if you won't admit to it . There is a difference between the forum and clan. In the forum I have to maintain a balance in general. And as I said, I'm against it and will call out people for clubbing in bronze. But I do not ban them and even have defended some from flaming because at the end of the day while "unethical", they are not breaking any rules. However, the wiki CLAN has different rules and even when you broke them, I didn't condemn you. I just said (and you concurred) that you could not be in the clan if you wanted to play in that tier. Especially after you gave us your agreement and promise that you wouldn't do it. If you were really condemned that much, please be assured that you wouldn't even have been given mod privileges in the old forum. The issue in your case was not that you clubbed, but broke your word. Which confused us because you had an awesome gold hangar and still insisted on going down there. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 5, 2017 23:31:02 GMT -5
There is a difference between the forum and clan. In the forum I have to maintain a balance in general. And as I said, I'm against it and will call out people for clubbing in bronze. But I do not ban them and even have defended some from flaming because at the end of the day while "unethical", they are not breaking any rules. so this would then classify every admin and moderator as neutral, as none of them have banned anyone for sealclubbing, and stopping flaming is just apart of the job. |
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Jan 5, 2017 23:43:08 GMT -5
There is a difference between the forum and clan. In the forum I have to maintain a balance in general. And as I said, I'm against it and will call out people for clubbing in bronze. But I do not ban them and even have defended some from flaming because at the end of the day while "unethical", they are not breaking any rules. so this would then classify every admin and moderator as neutral, as none of them have banned anyone for sealclubbing, and stopping flaming is just apart of the job. Somehow this seems more like a personal conflict.. Sometimes we have to ban or clean up threads because what new forumer would want to join a forum full of nothing but insults and arguments? We have to clean up some thread and put out flame wars because we'd like to promote a welcoming environment for everyone, new players, old players, pro-clubber views, against-clubber views, etc. We as admins/mods must do our best to remain neutral, but we're human just like anyone else on the forums. Humans, complete with emotions, thoughts and feelings. |
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 5, 2017 23:43:42 GMT -5
U would be surprised that we have had to remove mods for doing exactly that. And thank you for telling me that I Have been doing my job. ?
And as u have seen, Strayed falls in the category of actively condemning people who do it.
And finally, you have conveniently avoided the fact that you were not condemned for clubbing as I had mentioned.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 5, 2017 23:51:27 GMT -5
And finally, you have conveniently avoided the fact that you were not condemned for clubbing as I had mentioned. i could have gone into further detail about this, but i chose not to. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jan 5, 2017 23:58:11 GMT -5
C'mon fellas, take it to instant messages if any of you feel the need to continue. I'm not saying you shouldn't have a dialogue- that's important- but everyone's done a really good job of keeping dirty laundry in the basement. Let's do more of that.  EDIT: Now, back to the topic at hand, I've been giving some thought to this, the idea of being "ClubberCops." I'm coming to regard the opinion thinking it's rather difficult to take beyond aspirational is right. I've actually dropped down to Bronze again- mixed hangar as before- and it doesn't have the same 'feel' to me as it did before in terms of new players and rookie mistakes. I'm actively gathering data to confirm or disprove, but I've been wondering if we're not seeing some creeping MM tweaking going on, have been wondering for the past week. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 6, 2017 0:07:44 GMT -5
I've actually dropped down to Bronze again- mixed hangar as before- and it doesn't have the same 'feel' to me as it did before in terms of new players and rookie mistakes. I'm actively gathering data to confirm or disprove, but I've been wondering if we're not seeing some creeping MM tweaking going on, have been wondering for the past week. i haven't been able to come up against opponents anything lower than high silver for a while now, but maybe the reasoning behind that is Because i haven't dropped down in a while? No idea. BooBooKitty, a member of RUIN has stated that he is no longer seeing opponents under lvl 20 in low silver, so I too have the sneaking suspicion that something has gone on in the background. |
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Post by terror420 on Jan 6, 2017 0:08:55 GMT -5
Listen im a new player and was encouraged by clubbing what ever you call it i got lucky and started playing heavy arpund christmas event it bought me 3 gepards and 2 aphids thanks guys anyhow back to topic i hated logging on finding a guy or 2 running wild.around then i thought to my self i can do this too and i did ive played in plenty of single battles where i was the leading cast it gives me hope to know when i see a gepard running around makes the game more intresting playing stock robot its a joke and the real problem is the start of game is stupid defentily should start with more gold and inform people to upgrade the right 「dookie」 not just random stuff instarted leveling 4 spirals on a patton first 2 weeks wasted then i joined a clan and my clanie told me the ropes im a quick learner but still clubbing is part of the game and i defentily think it draws more people in
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