ammunition
Destrier
Posts: 25
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Pilot name: Ammunition
Platform: iOS
Clan: wiki
League: Gold
Favorite robot: Lancelot
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Post by ammunition on Jan 7, 2017 17:14:43 GMT -5
NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN IDEA, AND THE DISCUSSION OF IT. THIS CLAN IS A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, NOT A CURRENT CLAN. There are heaps of people on the wiki and free forums that complain about clubbers and reckon action should be taken against them. Well, I think we as the informed minority could make a clan that swoops down and targets clubbers and clubber clans. This is just an idea tho, and I'd love to hear opinions on it. I think this might be a really good idea, but personally I'm not sure how it's going to work, other than that it's sole purpose is to make the game fun for emerging players by guarding them from clubbers, and giving clubbers hell for being common arseholes. opinions s'il vous plait? Wouldn't making a anti-clubbing clan result to players being paired with players who aren't clubbing. Which contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing. I like the idea because clubbers are ruining the game for newer/unexperienced players. There are many top clans (which I won't mention) are all clubbers. Hopefully the new match making system would fix that and pair them up with other clubbers because at the moment it isn't fair to other players.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 7, 2017 17:22:27 GMT -5
NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN IDEA, AND THE DISCUSSION OF IT. THIS CLAN IS A FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, NOT A CURRENT CLAN. There are heaps of people on the wiki and free forums that complain about clubbers and reckon action should be taken against them. Well, I think we as the informed minority could make a clan that swoops down and targets clubbers and clubber clans. This is just an idea tho, and I'd love to hear opinions on it. I think this might be a really good idea, but personally I'm not sure how it's going to work, other than that it's sole purpose is to make the game fun for emerging players by guarding them from clubbers, and giving clubbers hell for being common arseholes. opinions s'il vous plait? Wouldn't making a anti-clubbing clan result to players being paired with players who aren't clubbing. Which contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing. I like the idea because clubbers are ruining the game for newer/unexperienced players. There are many top clans (which I won't mention) are all clubbers. Hopefully the new match making system would fix that and pair them up with other clubbers because at the moment it isn't fair to other players. Pairing with players who aren't clubbing *spark spark* contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing? How'd you come to that conclusion? The goal of the clan is to set an example for common non-clubber folk advertising the wiki to bring people in and learn them right.
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ammunition
Destrier
Posts: 25
Karma: 12
Pilot name: Ammunition
Platform: iOS
Clan: wiki
League: Gold
Favorite robot: Lancelot
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Post by ammunition on Jan 7, 2017 17:32:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't making a anti-clubbing clan result to players being paired with players who aren't clubbing. Which contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing. I like the idea because clubbers are ruining the game for newer/unexperienced players. There are many top clans (which I won't mention) are all clubbers. Hopefully the new match making system would fix that and pair them up with other clubbers because at the moment it isn't fair to other players. Pairing with players who aren't clubbing *spark spark* contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing? How'd you come to that conclusion? The goal of the clan is to set an example for common non-clubber folk advertising the wiki to bring people in and learn them right. You're thinking of making an anti-clubbing clan that targets other clubbing clans right? But, wouldn't that mean the people in this anti-clubbing clan would also consists of high leveled players with low level bots/ high level weapons = a clubber. Wouldn't you be also matched against players who aren't clubbing? Thus, your whole objective of clubbing other clubber be redundant. You get my drift?
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 7, 2017 18:13:10 GMT -5
Pairing with players who aren't clubbing *spark spark* contradicts the idea of anti-clubbing? How'd you come to that conclusion? The goal of the clan is to set an example for common non-clubber folk advertising the wiki to bring people in and learn them right. You're thinking of making an anti-clubbing clan that targets other clubbing clans right? But, wouldn't that mean the people in this anti-clubbing clan would also consists of high leveled players with low level bots/ high level weapons = a clubber. Wouldn't you be also matched against players who aren't clubbing? Thus, your whole objective of clubbing other clubber be redundant. You get my drift? Ya, but the underlying objective is to cut the flow of clubbers at the source of new players, so by adding a few more clubbers into the mix, to educate noobs how to beat clubbers without becoming clubbers themselves, we achieve a long term goal of reducing the seal clubbing population. i have thought this through.
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ammunition
Destrier
Posts: 25
Karma: 12
Pilot name: Ammunition
Platform: iOS
Clan: wiki
League: Gold
Favorite robot: Lancelot
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Post by ammunition on Jan 7, 2017 18:51:01 GMT -5
To be quite honest, the only real fix is if Pixonic can somehow find a way to group certain bots, levels of players/weapons/bots in such a way that clubbers will only be matched with their tiers. Also, to those who defends seal clubbing as it attracts" newer" players is ridiculous. How can new players enjoy the game when they get bombarded with players with low level Gepards equipped with high level weapons. Sure you (the clubbers) enjoy wrecking the green horns, but I'm quite confident they aren't feeling it. Most of them clubbers will only complain because, "Oh, I bought Gepards to beat on noobs. Now if MM pairs me up with other clubbers that isn't FAIR." Pixonic needs to address this issue fast because the MM right now is absurd.
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
Aurora Clan Moderator
Posts: 729
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Favorite robot: Bishop from Aliens, although WALL-E is a close second
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 7, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
...when there are no clubbers or they've all been eliminated, I'm sure we can figure out in-game handicaps to give noobs a real chance (e.g., only use one weapon, don't use an ability, etc.) Yes, it's a bit of an illusion, but I can live with that. I'm a Dad. I play "football" with my 5-year-old son. I don't think he minds it one bit that I let him tackle me. Would you have me play to win in what wouldn't be a fair fight? I think what you are talking about can exist in a controlled environment (practice field) - how do you set that up in a match on War Robots? To use your example, you would have to join your son on the playing field on the other team with another 5 players on each side....are the other dads going to be okay with you being out there, "playing" with their little kids, too? What if some of those kids are bigger and they can tackle you? You going to play rougher with them and be able to not play rougher with the littler guys? If you let them all tackle you and take you down, what lesson does it teach them?... It's simpler than that. Play full bore until clubbers are eliminated. After that, do the minimum needed to ensure the win. One way is to get a comfortable but not commanding beacon meter lead and then (if you have slots left), put the tablet down and watch to see if your newbie teammates can protect it, simulating a network disconnect. If it gets too close for comfort, come back in to save the day. And if you don't have slots left, then back off into a supporting role, playing conservatively. You don't have to play easier or rougher with any specific player. All lessons will be valid. If they do well, they should have valid chances for medals and deserve them. If they need saving, they will see it happen and know they needed help. Regardless, the only thing necessary for this to be an improvement is for the match to be more interesting and fun than it would have been had the clubber romped. This is, realize, a very low bar, where the misleading "lesson" is that they could do the same if they bought a Gep. I'm not holding my breath on Pixonic really fixing this because they have a strong financial incentive not to. They are not selling the game. They are selling unfair advantages is the game. These are not meta players. They are exploiting a loophole. The best way to close it is not to ban Geps, but for them to have a MM penalty like the Gareth. Players that buy them will still get value because they will have essentially leveled up quicker. Why the long wait? That's probably one line of code.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 7, 2017 22:18:47 GMT -5
To be quite honest, the only real fix is if Pixonic can somehow find a way to group certain bots, levels of players/weapons/bots in such a way that clubbers will only be matched with their tiers. Also, to those who defends seal clubbing as it attracts" newer" players is ridiculous. How can new players enjoy the game when they get bombarded with players with low level Gepards equipped with high level weapons. Sure you (the clubbers) enjoy wrecking the green horns, but I'm quite confident they aren't feeling it. Most of them clubbers will only complain because, "Oh, I bought Gepards to beat on noobs. Now if MM pairs me up with other clubbers that isn't FAIR." Pixonic needs to address this issue fast because the MM right now is absurd. Exactly, Gepards are intentioned to be overpowered. So, showing noobs that Gepards aren't necessary will steer them away from become clubbers in the future, which is why a clan like this might be a viable alternative to waiting in hope that the new MM will solve this problem.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 8, 2017 2:10:06 GMT -5
Barkley and Reggie Miller actually admitted that that sometimes they let lousy teams hang around until the final quarter and then turn it on at the end to win. That's cruel.
PrioritiIng clubber in the uncontrolled environs that we have at the battle field just leaves you to get annoyed by the randoms. And let's be fair, quad spirals in the back still hurt even if from a noob. It can even kill you. It's not possible to ignore the noobs and just focus on the clubbers. Even Zenits can put you off enough to make the diff between life and death when engaging clubbers (we I assume we are talking mag geps)
And what does "doing the minimum to ensure the win" mean? What if you and the noob are the only ones left and you are down to your last bot. U let him hit you a few times before killing him? What if then he suddenly spawns in his "backup" mag gep? So many variables to consider. Too many in fact just to try and rid bronze of clubbers without bullying the accompanying noob reds whom you will not know if they are real noobs or not until the end of a match
I agree that the clubbing definition might be a tad broad. Generally we are talking about those level 30s who are still sticking to silver, whether cos they like it or cos they are "farming". I personally feel that once players reach low silver, they are free game.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 8, 2017 2:15:44 GMT -5
^^ Well said! And I was in the same boat. Without the wiki and the forums, I would have quite the game. And I'm all for coaching new players. That's why we all try our best to steer people to the wiki and the forums. That's all we really can do. Perhaps use squad chat to tell some of these chaps to come over here. But other than that it's gonna be tough. Maybe if more people spammed the wiki and forum links in FB pages, it might help. So far only weed and I do that. To be fair, I'm actually ok with Gepards being in bronze, and at reasonable levels and with reasonable weapon levels. But we all know it's a cash cow for Pix. Maybe it just needs a weapons level penalty. On a side note, how could you be the emperor of the lone islands AND a janitor at Cair Paravel...? and would you like me to spam links in FB pages? LOL. I was wondering when someone would catch that and then ask. A king in one place might only be able to be a janitor in the palace of the king of kings. and yes, go spam my child.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 8, 2017 2:20:37 GMT -5
Are any of these NBA stars really bringing their A-game? With their quickness, they shouldn't ever need more than two moves to beat someone at that level, and the simple pump fake drive should pretty much do the trick, topped off by a thunderous dunk. Heck, with the height advantage, they could just take an uncontested 20-footer every time, knowing that they can still get the rebound if they miss, but as that would be no fun, no, they pretend to have to work for it for awhile. All the juking only looks believable because players do that all the time in the game as a delaying tactic (or facing someone who can actually defend double and triple moves). No reason for it here. No game clock. No teammates trying to get open. It's just to make a good show of it before winning. The biggest difference is that you KNOW you are up against Kobe or Lebron etc. You bring ur A game knowing you most likely will get beat and you are there for a lesson. And Cmon, the kids there know that these stars are out of their league and cutting them some slack. but the players in bronze have no idea who you are. They think you are a peer. It's kinda like hustling pool... sorry, I know I'm spamming sports analogies. In any case, the new MM might render all of this moot.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 8, 2017 4:49:29 GMT -5
On a side note, how could you be the emperor of the lone islands AND a janitor at Cair Paravel...? and would you like me to spam links in FB pages? LOL. I was wondering when someone would catch that and then ask. A king in one place might only be able to be a janitor in the palace of the king of kings. and yes, go spam my child. Woah deep, I didn't come here for PhD thesis abstracts
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
Aurora Clan Moderator
Posts: 729
Karma: 556
Platform: Android
Clan: leader of Aurora Nova [AurN]
League: Gold
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Bishop from Aliens, although WALL-E is a close second
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Jan 8, 2017 22:05:36 GMT -5
Prioritizing targets by how dangerous they are to you would not mean ignoring the newbies. Indeed, I think it's pretty standard strategy in any match.
The minimum doesn't mean the absolute bare minimum. You leave a margin of error to account for the variables. Just look at the beacon meter to decide how safe your lead is to determine how aggressive you need to be. I do that all the time at Yamantau, actually. For your scenario, if you and a newbie are the last ones left and you are down to your last bot, look at the beacon meter. If you're up, run from them into cover. If they're up or the meters are even, eliminate them immediately.
This is irrelevant to the point that NBA stars do not indeed always bring their A game. The situation in which they do not is very similar to this one, when they are playing somebody not in their league, literally. Indeed, that the War Robots player thinks you are a peer makes it easier to sell the closeness of the match.
One big difference is that War Robots players have daily tasks to work towards and would be more able to make progress. Also, these players are not top tier like the NBA, and there are no practice squads in War Robots, making matches the only practice opportunity. The practice/educational value of a more even match thus has value to them.
The difference between what they did and the players in the video is purely the finish. Toying with an opponent and then humiliating them is not what they did because they usually did not finish off the drives with a thunderous in-your-face dunk. The War Robots equivalent would be keeping it close and THEN meching them out while taking all 5 beacons (still less bad than clubbing for the aforementioned reasons).
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Jan 9, 2017 0:29:18 GMT -5
On a side note, how could you be the emperor of the lone islands AND a janitor at Cair Paravel...? and would you like me to spam links in FB pages? LOL. I was wondering when someone would catch that and then ask. A king in one place might only be able to be a janitor in the palace of the king of kings.and yes, go spam my child. That's deep
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 9, 2017 0:31:04 GMT -5
LOL. I was wondering when someone would catch that and then ask. A king in one place might only be able to be a janitor in the palace of the king of kings.and yes, go spam my child. That's deep Learn a lesson in humility? Pffffft humility is for the weak... right? right? 2weak4nothing?
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Jan 9, 2017 0:37:01 GMT -5
Learn a lesson in humility? Pffffft humility is for the weak... right? right? 2weak4nothing? Nah, even the smartest and strongest learn lessons in humility. Learning lessons while thinking oneself as being "all that" leads to dead ends..
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 9, 2017 0:38:46 GMT -5
Learn a lesson in humility? Pffffft humility is for the weak... right? right? 2weak4nothing? Nah, even the smartest and strongest learn lessons in humility. Learning lessons while thinking oneself as being "all that" leads to dead ends.. Shut up and have this PhD
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