[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Oct 28, 2016 15:54:17 GMT -5
Don't nerf. Buff or adjust others, but don't nerf what you sold. Technically, it doesn't really matter. Both actions are equivalent, because if you increased the power of all weapons and bots equally, it would be as if you made no change at all. Increasing the strength of one bot is equivalent to decreasing the strength of all the rest. The only difference is that a lot of players won't understand this, and Gep purchasers will likely complain more about a Gep nerf than an everything-but-Gep buff. |
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Post by Deadalready on Oct 28, 2016 20:58:51 GMT -5
The very concept of BALANCE, is you have to pick and choose things to be good at while making compromises on others.
At the moment Gepards sit at the HIGHEST speed, have HP surpassing that of medium bots and deal insane damage for low levels.
Ultimately putting low level players up against these Gep armies is damaging to the community in the long run.
Natural attrition means games will always lose players, but when you fail to source new players to replace those lost, then you're essentially losing the very content (PVP) of the game as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 21:16:38 GMT -5
Hey Deadalready, whats your IGN?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 21:25:14 GMT -5
I thought the Canadian government enacted laws years ago to protect seal clubbing?
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Post by Orukal on Oct 28, 2016 23:38:52 GMT -5
Technically, it doesn't really matter. Both actions are equivalent, because if you increased the power of all weapons and bots equally, it would be as if you made no change at all. Increasing the strength of one bot is equivalent to decreasing the strength of all the rest. The only difference is that a lot of players won't understand this, and Gep purchasers will likely complain more about a Gep nerf than an everything-but-Gep buff. It does matter. In many cases, the Gepards were purchased with cash and as such, nerfing them could and should piss people off. To pay for something and then have it specifically reduced shouldn't be done. |
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Oct 29, 2016 5:58:53 GMT -5
What I"m saying is that buffing every robot except the Gep is the same as nerfing the Gep. The end result is that the value of the Gep is diminished in relation to the other bots. The only difference is that many players probably won't figure that out and would be less likely to complain. It's a sneaky nerf.
If you think a nerf is morally wrong, then I'd say a sneaky nerf is even worse. But hey, most Gep buyers seem to be morally challenged enough to not mind ruining games for the rest of us, so I wouldn't shed any tears.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 29, 2016 17:09:59 GMT -5
So...have you guys ever played league? All champions have to be brought with real life $ or tons of ingame currency, and the devs nerf and buff them all the time.
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Post by Deadalready on Oct 29, 2016 23:07:14 GMT -5
Hey Deadalready, whats your IGN? I think it's Deadalready61 Nerfing and buffing premium items happens all the time in other games, a better more holistic design would have been never have followed the "pay to win" path. How I would do things would be to make every item purchasable directly through gold (ignoring level restrictions but maintaining tier balancing) and cash bots come with a free skin. Premium players get their shortcut, feel good about being "better" but does not create the huge power balance between silver and gold bots. Maybe offer "load out" hangers and bot weapon preferences for gold. Basically you can go into a bot a choose a pre saved load out or go into your hanger and choose a drop down set of bots to run. |
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Post by Orukal on Oct 30, 2016 0:42:15 GMT -5
What I"m saying is that buffing every robot except the Gep is the same as nerfing the Gep. The end result is that the value of the Gep is diminished in relation to the other bots. The only difference is that many players probably won't figure that out and would be less likely to complain. It's a sneaky nerf. If you think a nerf is morally wrong, then I'd say a sneaky nerf is even worse. But hey, most Gep buyers seem to be morally challenged enough to not mind ruining games for the rest of us, so I wouldn't shed any tears. I'm down with sneaky nerf. |
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Oct 31, 2016 13:08:21 GMT -5
Okay, I can respect that. Me, I think I'd prefer a more in-your-face response to Gep buyers (but then, that's easy for me to say since I wouldn't have to deal with any of their complaints). I also don't really think they'll ever really nerf it, sneaky or otherwise. it's not like they'll ever sell out of 'em. The only rational reason to do so would be if the market becomes completely saturated, at which point, the profit-maximizing action would be to create a new grossly OP gold bot for the clubbers to rush to buy. I don't think we're nearly at the saturation point yet, as I'm only seeing them in about half of my matches. |
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Post by nodalwars on Oct 31, 2016 13:26:47 GMT -5
Just nerf it so Geps lose their weapons more often and BAM! Problem solved. No tinkering with other stats or speeds or anything. If a Gep can lose 1/3 of their firepower easily their power is diminished to that of a Stealth.....If they can lose 2 weapons easily.....
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Post by Muhlakai on Oct 31, 2016 14:20:31 GMT -5
Maybe offer "load out" hangers and bot weapon preferences for gold. Basically you can go into a bot a choose a pre saved load out or go into your hanger and choose a drop down set of bots to run. Ugh. I'd rather see this easily unlocked or just initially available, but I'm sure I would save up for this. |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 1, 2016 2:52:13 GMT -5
Just nerf it so Geps lose their weapons more often and BAM! Problem solved. No tinkering with other stats or speeds or anything. If a Gep can lose 1/3 of their firepower easily their power is diminished to that of a Stealth.....If they can lose 2 weapons easily..... The Gep losses weapons now in relation to severity of damage.... wish granted. |
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Post by Deadalready on Nov 1, 2016 3:23:09 GMT -5
In League of Legends (one of the most successful Free to Play games out there) you get a free "rune page" and two free "mastery pages" (essentially passive skill load outs). It's enough to get you by but only if you run a narrow range of play styles, as you play for longer and pick up additional heroes to play, the need for additional pages becomes apparent.
Remember load outs would be a luxury item, you have already survived without them, and they would be for players who have played the game long enough to amass lots of bots/weapons.
Anyway throwing out ideas.
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Post by 《₩hirl》 on Nov 1, 2016 5:29:27 GMT -5
On the track of throwing out ideas....
Personally I believe a 'premium item' in this game or any other should be exactly that, a premium item. No I'm not crying Save The Gepard but it really does stretch its dollar value to the point if being wire.
The Gepard has the advantage on three fronts, HP, Speed, Firepower. Nerf any one of these aspects, and it's STILL a gold purchase powerhouse. Drop some HP off it, it's still fast and packs a punch. Drop some speed (or at least base speed to 40 with a gradual boost per lvl) it's a tanky light. Or lastly, drop that doofy lookin 3rd hardpoint off the top of its head, and it's basically a tougher Destrier. Personally I think the Gepard looks cooler with only the sidemounts equipped.
Drop any one of those aspects and it still has a formidable 2/3 worthy of being a gold item, just not as eyeroll-inducing.
Now has anyone here played Order and Chaos? THAT game messed with paid stuff big time, all the time.
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Post by morgemil on Nov 1, 2016 6:19:24 GMT -5
The Gepard has the advantage on three fronts, HP, Speed, Firepower. Nerf any one of these aspects, and it's STILL a gold purchase powerhouse. Drop some HP off it, it's still fast and packs a punch. Drop some speed (or at least base speed to 40 with a gradual boost per lvl) it's a tanky light. Or lastly, drop that doofy lookin 3rd hardpoint off the top of its head, and it's basically a tougher Destrier. Personally I think the Gepard looks cooler with only the sidemounts equipped. Drop any one of those aspects and it still has a formidable 2/3 worthy of being a gold item, just not as eyeroll-inducing. That is literally all it would take to make the gep easier to deal with in bronze. That's the point. No other gold bot can be run at a low enough tier as to be completely overpowered against the bots it's likely to face. Aside from maybe the rog but it's speed nerf made it less of a threat, still powerful, just not overpowered. The gep needs the same treatment. |
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Reiko Asahina
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Post by Reiko Asahina on Nov 1, 2016 7:23:20 GMT -5
Does running a hangar full of Tschutzes count as Seal Clubbing?
I mean low bronze is the only tier I got a "max" hangar on XD
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[AurN] perfectlyGoodInk
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Nov 1, 2016 7:43:23 GMT -5
Reiko Asahina: Does running a hangar full of Tschutzes count as Seal Clubbing?
To me, the gear used is irrelevant. It's whether the pilots turn games into not very fun blowouts even when the other side doesn't make a critical mistake. Most end up as short games where nobody gets hardly the chance to make any progress towards their own goals and tasks.
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Post by Tripzter on Nov 1, 2016 11:29:28 GMT -5
^^completely agree. I could easily blow a couple bucks for an easy club, but a) no fun b) why even bother throw money at a game I'm bound to stop playing within a few years? B) because you're supporting the developers for making a game that you've been playing for "few years". Mobile games are no different than going to gamestop and buying a 50 bucks game. Just because they are free doesnt mean you shouldnt chip in when you're getting hours and hours of enjoyment. |
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Post by mechwarrior on Nov 1, 2016 16:37:36 GMT -5
Just nerf it so Geps lose their weapons more often and BAM! Problem solved. No tinkering with other stats or speeds or anything. If a Gep can lose 1/3 of their firepower easily their power is diminished to that of a Stealth.....If they can lose 2 weapons easily..... The Gep losses weapons now in relation to severity of damage.... wish granted. I have not seen this (as of last night), both playing with a gep and against geps. While I bought one with cash and my second with saved up in game golds, I think a small nerf is not out of line. And I second Nodalwars comment about weapon loss, seems odd I can make snitz toaster but my gep is full combat effective till the zero hp mark. Hehe, even leg damage should be there like the toaster. edit: :spell checked :/... also a decent nerf ould be early loss of speed due to damage... i mean a gep looks whimpy compared to some other bots. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 16:57:53 GMT -5
Aside from maybe the rog but it's speed nerf made it less of a threat, still powerful, just not overpowered. The gep needs the same treatment. The Rog is even more op, only its double the price... if there were clan battles in silver tier I bet that mixed Rog/ Gep hanhars would be the 「dookie」. What a 2xTaran Rog does to a MagGep is extremely satisfying...  |
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Post by mecher on Nov 4, 2016 21:40:07 GMT -5
Ok I read this thread and I am fairly new to this game. My question is how do you tell what level your hangar is at such as tier1, bronze, low silver, etc...?
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Post by morgemil on Nov 5, 2016 9:30:30 GMT -5
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