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Post by Dredd77 on Mar 30, 2017 12:43:09 GMT -5
Today on Gepard Diary, guest writer Falcon(tm), officer of the highly-ranked Warwolves, offers his clan's perspective on "ethical tanking"- and what he'd prefer to see in place as a matchmaking system. Putting this in Rants now to avoid the June rush.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 12:47:59 GMT -5
"I believe the real solution to be simple- take hanger power into account as well as league points.
This would allow players to put in any combination of bots and be matched with other likewise-hangered players of suitable skill. It would allow players who spent Gold and real cash on other bots (I have 10 Gepards collecting dust) to actually play with bots they enjoy playing with."
Only thing I agreed with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 12:48:41 GMT -5
Ethical tanking is tanking to recruit and using destriers and cossacks there.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 30, 2017 13:02:46 GMT -5
What a load of hot air.
Yes, "ethical tanking" (oxymoron) doesn't hurt other players on the way down as much as unethical tanking. Fine.
But it still hurts the new guys, low-level guys and mid-level guys you slaughter on the way back up for easy gold and silver, right?
A hangar that can do 1.4 mill max damage and you were fighting "Destriers and Cossacks and players with 3-bot hangers" and you "got 10 Gold every time", so the other guys had ZERO chance at 10 gold.
{insert your expletive of choice here}
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 13:38:28 GMT -5
So... to summarize.... Pix took away hangar based matchmaking, which Mr. Falcon liked. As a result, Warwolves (#2 baby!) tanks and screws noobs. But the harm they cause is not their fault. Pix is really the bad guy, b/c they changed MM, which justifies the douche-baggery. Also, other people do it too, so that also makes it okay. Okay, I think I got Mr. Falcon's take on things. Thanks for the fresh(?) perspective. No fault of yours Dredd77, but Gep diaries sure sucked this week.
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Post by Dredd77 on Mar 30, 2017 14:03:13 GMT -5
Gep diaries sure sucked this week.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Mar 30, 2017 14:52:05 GMT -5
Gep diaries sure sucked this week. How come that other guy looks more like a bat than a panda?
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Post by Dredd77 on Mar 30, 2017 15:01:56 GMT -5
How come that other guy looks more like a bat than a panda?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 15:10:39 GMT -5
I'm totally saving this, so you know. Never know when it may come in handy.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 30, 2017 15:38:39 GMT -5
I am a self confessed light tanker. I tank whenever I start coming up regularly against hangars superior to mine but only to stay within a certain League. I have been in silver for some time now and have only recently moved up to Gold. Tanking down to recruit with a Lv 11-12 hangar is just bad.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 30, 2017 15:45:54 GMT -5
So... to summarize.... Pix took away hangar based matchmaking, which Mr. Falcon liked. As a result, Warwolves (#2 baby!) tanks and screws noobs. But the harm they cause is not their fault. Pix is really the bad guy, b/c they changed MM, which justifies the douche-baggery. ..... Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Mar 30, 2017 15:50:02 GMT -5
So... to summarize.... Pix took away hangar based matchmaking, which Mr. Falcon liked. As a result, Warwolves (#2 baby!) tanks and screws noobs. But the harm they cause is not their fault. Pix is really the bad guy, b/c they changed MM, which justifies the douche-baggery. ..... Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault. So ...don't blame the playa' - blame the game, right?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 30, 2017 15:52:56 GMT -5
So... to summarize.... Pix took away hangar based matchmaking, which Mr. Falcon liked. As a result, Warwolves (#2 baby!) tanks and screws noobs. But the harm they cause is not their fault. Pix is really the bad guy, b/c they changed MM, which justifies the douche-baggery. ..... Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault. What wrong with RDB griffs? I can get one at Lv 12 with nothing but AG?
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 30, 2017 15:57:08 GMT -5
Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault. What wrong with RDB griffs? I can get one at Lv 12 with nothing but AG? Yeah but medium/long distance missile spams ruins the fun of the game for me and I never had to face them in the old MM. Using @heavypanda 's logic I will just blame the inconsiderate 「bum-bum chapeau」s that use these missleboats and ruin the game for many players. And I will suck on Pixonic's ?pee place? because everything they do is ?firetruck?ing perfect.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Mar 30, 2017 16:01:53 GMT -5
Ethical tanking is tanking to recruit and using destriers and cossacks there. The problem with this is NO ONE drops down low and plays low bots after they have dropped down.. In your Tankers League "research" you did a few weeks ago, on your way up you did'nt do it either. And after looking at your stats the other day, it doesnt look like you played with your diamond squad to come back up to your tier humanly as you stated you were going to do.. As of monday you had 4.7 kill stats, 573k ave damage and 80% win stats. You also went from 1429 victories to 1488 victories, basically winning EVERY match you played since you tanked and also happened to get a new max damage of 1,181 258, up from the 1,066 165 that was your previous max damage. I know many players with Max hangars that do not average this kind of damage, much less with level 8 weapons. I think it would be best for you to please refrain from making statements about the fairness of tanking and ethics of the game until you follow those same rules yourself. I could add screenshots of before and after of your hangar if you like, but I think my point has been made.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 16:07:45 GMT -5
What wrong with RDB griffs? I can get one at Lv 12 with nothing but AG? And I will suck on Pixonic's ?pee place? because everything they do is ?firetruck?ing perfect. Really blastronaut ? You are referring to me with this ?poo-poo?? I thought you were better than that. For the record, I don't have a stance on Pix. I take the game for what it is. I enjoy it, so i play it. If I didn't enjoy it, I likely would not play it. I would not find ways to game the system so I could like it more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 16:10:17 GMT -5
What wrong with RDB griffs? I can get one at Lv 12 with nothing but AG? Yeah but medium/long distance missile spams ruins the fun of the game for me and I never had to face them in the old MM. Using @heavypanda 's logic I will just blame the inconsiderate 「bum-bum chapeau」s that use these missleboats and ruin the game for many players. And I will suck on Pixonic's ?pee place? because everything they do is ?firetruck?ing perfect. Scenario 1) In Monopoly, hotels on boardwalk are OP. They cost too much when I land on them. It lowers my fun. Scenario 2) Parker Brothers does not prevent me from starting monopoly with extra $500 bills. If they did not want me to have more $ than my opponents, they would not allow me to steal from the bank. They must condone it. Parker Brothers is a bad company. You get the difference?
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 30, 2017 16:11:10 GMT -5
I am a self confessed light tanker. I tank whenever I start coming up regularly against hangars superior to mine but only to stay within a certain League. I have been in silver for some time now and have only recently moved up to Gold. Tanking down to recruit with a Lv 11-12 hangar is just bad. That's still problematic. Two things I do: 1) Change my hangar to make it 'weaker'. Less optimal, further from the meta. Usually lighter, because then I can cap and it's still fun because speed. 2) Let a less talented pilot use my device so they can use Furies and Ancilots and other things I have that they might not. Sure he might not do as well as I would, but he's trying and I'm encouraging someone to move up in the meta. No tanking.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 30, 2017 16:14:00 GMT -5
So... to summarize.... Pix took away hangar based matchmaking, which Mr. Falcon liked. As a result, Warwolves (#2 baby!) tanks and screws noobs. But the harm they cause is not their fault. Pix is really the bad guy, b/c they changed MM, which justifies the douche-baggery. ..... Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault. Hell no. To use an analogy, Pix left their front door unlocked and tankers are burglars. Pix is absolutely stupid and should be embarrassed as hell, but the real 「bum-bum chapeau」s in the picture are the burglars.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 30, 2017 16:36:34 GMT -5
I am a self confessed light tanker. I tank whenever I start coming up regularly against hangars superior to mine but only to stay within a certain League. I have been in silver for some time now and have only recently moved up to Gold. Tanking down to recruit with a Lv 11-12 hangar is just bad. That's still problematic. Two things I do: 1) Change my hangar to make it 'weaker'. Less optimal, further from the meta. Usually lighter, because then I can cap and it's still fun because speed. 2) Let a less talented pilot use my device so they can use Furies and Ancilots and other things I have that they might not. Sure he might not do as well as I would, but he's trying and I'm encouraging someone to move up in the meta. No tanking. For the record I did #2. My daughter loves an all Cossack hangar LOL. Hmmm wait that's both 1 and 2 combined.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 30, 2017 16:39:12 GMT -5
Anyone running RDB Griffs or TT Furies is guilty of douchbaggery in my book. I know missleboatssuck agrees. The MM is so bad that this is what Warwolves resort to, to still have fun. And the MM lets them. 100% Pixonic's fault. Hell no. To use an analogy, Pix left their front door unlocked and tankers are burglars. Pix is absolutely stupid and should be embarrassed as hell, but the real 「bum-bum chapeau」s in the picture are the burglars. I hate that I can only give this 1 like, so, quoting for truth.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 30, 2017 16:41:42 GMT -5
Scenario 1) In Monopoly, hotels on boardwalk are OP. They cost too much when I land on them. It lowers my fun. Scenario 2) Parker Brothers does not prevent me from starting monopoly with extra $500 bills. If they did not want me to have more $ than my opponents, they would not allow me to steal from the bank. They must condone it. Parker Brothers is a bad company. You get the difference? Don't get me wrong, I think you're a great guy. BTW, 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 is Monopoly? Your point was that players deserve all the blame because they are playing the game in a way you don't like. For you it's Tanking, for me it's Missle Spam. Missle spam is game-breaking yet Pixonic allows it. Properly piloted RDBs and TT Furys almost never cap beacons, which is what wins games. They just sit at max distance and rack up damage, relying on splash as a crutch for their terrible aim/skill. Do you get it now?
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Post by Divine Thunder on Mar 30, 2017 16:43:43 GMT -5
I liked Falcons article and respect Warwovles "ethical tanking" policy but though it does not ruin their would-be allies' match, it does still deprive the opposition opportunities to earn silver. I do not know, because only was the victim of ethical tanking once, if dropping into a match and taking zero damage when the match ends, is repair costs extracted. i figure there were no repair costs, but still, silver generation is a major factor in this game. The only up side is those matches last mere seconds.
However, ethical to ally teams or not, the focus of tanking is still to club the noobs and those still creating hangers and figuring out the game mechanics.
I too would like to see hanger weigh have bearing, but tanking is, as said, clubbing. Where is the ethics there?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 30, 2017 16:47:12 GMT -5
Today on Gepard Diary, guest writer Falcon(tm), officer of the highly-ranked Warwolves, offers his clan's perspective on "ethical tanking"- and what he'd prefer to see in place as a matchmaking system. Putting this in Rants now to avoid the June rush. So, back to the OP... Are you trying to win the wooden spoon of the month award with this week's diary, Dredd77? I know you didn't write it, and kudos for being open minded and giving voice to someone that most would consider a villain in this game, but damn... no wonder you went ahead and dropped it in the rants!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 16:50:56 GMT -5
</div></div>You may have noticed that I did not use my Fury until I hit diamond and I am still using my Gareth and an Orkan Pinata Galahad, stuff which I would never use for competitive play. And when I was climbing back up, you may also have noticed a level 4 Boa and a Plasma Griffin in the match 3 days ago. And 5 days ago, I was using swiss army builds. To add to that, I squadded for at least 30 battles on comms last weekend. And that maxed damage match was a completely fair one and a 10 minute, last-second kills one. I was lucky enough to drop my Galahad in Canyon when the enemy team was all Leos.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 30, 2017 16:53:41 GMT -5
I liked Falcons article and respect Warwovles "ethical tanking" policy but though it does not ruin their would-be allies' match, it does still deprive the opposition opportunities to earn silver. I do not know, because only was the victim of ethical tanking once, if dropping into a match and taking zero damage when the match ends, is repair costs extracted. i figure there were no repair costs, but still, silver generation is a major factor in this game. The only up side is those matches last mere seconds. However, ethical to ally teams or not, the focus of tanking is still to club the noobs and those still creating hangers and figuring out the game mechanics. I too would like to see hanger weigh have bearing, but tanking is, as said, clubbing. Where is the ethics there? There is no repair cost if your bot is dropped but not damaged. It is basically a lottery for free gold for the winners and only wastes 15 s of game time. Maybe 1 minute total to take the win and find a new match. It is a victimless way to tank, however when they grind back up the league ladder there are plenty of victims.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 16:56:20 GMT -5
Your point was that players deserve all the blame because they are playing the game in a way you don't like. Where did I say that again? EDIT: You know what, nevermind dude.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Mar 30, 2017 17:00:31 GMT -5
</div></div>You may have noticed that I did not use my Fury until I hit diamond and I am still using my Gareth and an Orkan Pinata Galahad, stuff which I would never use for competitive play. And when I was climbing back up, you may also have noticed a level 4 Boa and a Plasma Griffin in the match 3 days ago. And 5 days ago, I was using swiss army builds. To add to that, I squadded for at least 30 battles on comms last weekend. And that maxed damage match was a completely fair one and a 10 minute, last-second kills one. I was lucky enough to drop my Galahad in Canyon when the enemy team was all Leos. Not true. This shot clearly shows you in gold league with your fury in hangar sir..
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 30, 2017 17:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 30, 2017 17:51:24 GMT -5
I am a self confessed light tanker. I tank whenever I start coming up regularly against hangars superior to mine but only to stay within a certain League. I have been in silver for some time now and have only recently moved up to Gold. Tanking down to recruit with a Lv 11-12 hangar is just bad. I'm a partial alcoholic as I'm sober sometimes! Just kidding - not condemning you but poking fun at the adjective war that is starting so people can point out how their approach is different. light tanking, systemic tanking, ethical tanking, clubbing.....these are all aspects of the game now. While it makes the experience worse for me, I'm expressing my displeasure by playing less or not at all. No matter what is said or done on this forum or FB, it will not change players' behaviors one whit. The only ones that can change the behaviors are Pixo....thru either rewards, punishments, or coding. I've given up until Pixo does release Tanker Hell because I'm pissed at losing because of tankers/ditchers. I like leagues because it gives me something to measure my performance against but not when arbitrary factors like tankers/ditchers cause me to drop in league standings. So just one player voting by playing Candy Crush instead of War Robots.
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