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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 13, 2019 22:52:52 GMT -5
Is there any bots other than hover or strider which are pure skill robots? These 2 have collected a lot of praise on these forums and for good reason, they do very well even with their old origins, plus they are all sorts of fun.
And its is really funny because hover is the lord of vertical movement and the skies while strider is the lord of the horizontal movement and ground. I wish I had a hover myself, some day. Here we are to worship them on this thread! Also are there any contestants in skill requirements?
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Post by maverick on Nov 13, 2019 23:00:55 GMT -5
I like hover but it is to easy to shoot down unless the pilot is very skillful. IMO Ao Jun is lord of the sky.
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Post by notebook1grange on Nov 13, 2019 23:07:47 GMT -5
I think a gary is a high skill bot to play in champs. I don’t know tho
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 13, 2019 23:08:56 GMT -5
I have 3
-Raven
Because it's so easy to mess up with if you don't know what you're doing
-Non-T Falcon
It's harder to stay alive when you don't have a million health
-Bulwark
I just though of this because you have to know how to play it, when to use which shields and for how long to conserve all of you possible health.
IMO one the bots that can go a whole game without taking damage
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Post by foxypotato on Nov 13, 2019 23:29:40 GMT -5
Regular Falcon, Raven, Hover, Stalker, Griffin, Carnage, Rhino, Doc ect ect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 23:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 0:08:57 GMT -5
Regular Falcon, Raven, Hover, Stalker, Griffin, Carnage, Rhino, Doc ect ect. all of are not true, to play these bots to their full potential it requires a good amount of skill yes but not near what it takes for strider and hover, take doc for example. He does well in lower leagues because he is balanced for that level of play, but at champs there are bots balanced for much higher level of play then him. This meaning the bots you mentioned can be run at all times but they have a skill ceiling, after you reach that the only way you can run it in higher leagues is by way of caution and leveling. Strider and hover on the other hand have no apparent skill ceiling as in the only reason they would stop working is if other parts of the bot just can't work at all in higher leagues. |
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Post by foxypotato on Nov 14, 2019 0:54:18 GMT -5
Regular Falcon, Raven, Hover, Stalker, Griffin, Carnage, Rhino, Doc ect ect. all of are not true, to play these bots to their full potential it requires a good amount of skill yes but not near what it takes for strider and hover, take doc for example. He does well in lower leagues because he is balanced for that level of play, but at champs there are bots balanced for much higher level of play then him. This meaning the bots you mentioned can be run at all times but they have a skill ceiling, after you reach that the only way you can run it in higher leagues is by way of caution and leveling. Strider and hover on the other hand have no apparent skill ceiling as in the only reason they would stop working is if other parts of the bot just can't work at all in higher leagues. I see what you are saying but that is sort of the same as saying that those bots are too hard to play therefore they are not skill bots and that it is the easier to play bot that is more skillful. The strider is much more powerful than the bots I listed with it's 5 dash charges. I would say that a Stalker, Doc or Rhino player taking out an Ares is much more skillful and impressive than a bot with 5 (five) freaking dash charges doing the same. This is not so say that the Strider does not have a high skill ceiling though. Ita really an argument of skillful play by the player in terms of situational awareness and tactical decision making vs mastery of a bot and its abilities. I will agree that some bots have a higher skill ceiling than others. A Leo is a simple bot to master and easy to play at lower leagues. The skills developed in running a Leo only go so far towards mastering the bot. As someone who occassionally runs a level 10 Thunder Pinata Leo in Champions League as part of an Ag bots and weapons hangar most of the skill sets needed to play are player skills in the form of situational awareness and decision making rather than any skills that are part of mastering the bot. A Rhino on the other hand has a very high skill ceiling. It has a powerful ability that comes at the cost of 2 crippling weaknesses that must be overcome by the player to even make use of the ability. The bot is basically useless and worse than a Griffin until you figure it out. You must master the slow movement speed when the ability is inactive and the inability to turn your torso or make use of the medium weapons when the ability is active. A Rhino can run right into the bubble of an Ares or Ancilot and take it out without so much of a scratch and can make it look easy but the reality is that it is far from easy. It takes absolute mastery of the bot and timing to pull that off. The Doc, Stalker, Carnage and Griffin are similar in that they have a fairly high skill ceiling although the Griffin's skill ceiling is a little lower than the rest due to the simplicity of its ability and reasonable HP. There's just not a lot to master although skillful RDB play is still impressive. |
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Post by RightOn on Nov 14, 2019 2:11:45 GMT -5
All hail the strider and Hover
Aaauuuuuoooommmmmmmmm
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Post by milty72 on Nov 14, 2019 2:32:16 GMT -5
Regular Falcon, Raven, Hover, Stalker, Griffin, Carnage, Rhino, Doc ect ect. all of are not true, to play these bots to their full potential it requires a good amount of skill yes but not near what it takes for strider and hover, take doc for example. He does well in lower leagues because he is balanced for that level of play, but at champs there are bots balanced for much higher level of play then him. This meaning the bots you mentioned can be run at all times but they have a skill ceiling, after you reach that the only way you can run it in higher leagues is by way of caution and leveling. Strider and hover on the other hand have no apparent skill ceiling as in the only reason they would stop working is if other parts of the bot just can't work at all in higher leagues. You're way over selling the hype of Hover and Strider. I absolutely love those bots but really any under-powered bot requires skillz to make them work effectively against the meta. I've been playing a L7 Rayker lately and i tells ya that one requires some sharp skillz. |
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Post by linearblade on Nov 14, 2019 4:00:24 GMT -5
Is there any bots other than hover or strider which are pure skill robots? These 2 have collected a lot of praise on these forums and for good reason, they do very well even with their old origins, plus they are all sorts of fun. And its is really funny because hover is the lord of vertical movement and the skies while strider is the lord of the horizontal movement and ground. I wish I had a hover myself, some day. Here we are to worship them on this thread! Also are there any contestants in skill requirements? All robots whose special ability does not wholly dominate its regular mode are skill bots You might be surprised, but slower bots takes the most mental skill. Because these players have to think 3 steps ahead. As opposed to the physical click skills of a strider. A strider, whilst requiring a lot of physical actions, has a lot of options that say a Leo does not. rocking a leo etc requires tremendous mental foresight. As does carnage etc. They can’t press dash to evade Ao Jun... |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Nov 14, 2019 4:20:30 GMT -5
Is there any bots other than hover or strider which are pure skill robots? These 2 have collected a lot of praise on these forums and for good reason, they do very well even with their old origins, plus they are all sorts of fun. And its is really funny because hover is the lord of vertical movement and the skies while strider is the lord of the horizontal movement and ground. I wish I had a hover myself, some day. Here we are to worship them on this thread! Also are there any contestants in skill requirements? All robots whose special ability does not wholly dominate its regular mode are skill bots You might be surprised, but slower bots takes the most mental skill. Because these players have to think 3 steps ahead. As opposed to the physical click skills of a strider. A strider, whilst requiring a lot of physical actions, has a lot of options that say a Leo does not. rocking a leo etc requires tremendous mental foresight. As does carnage etc. They canât press dash to evade Ao Jun... Agreed, your lack of speed to get back in cover if things go south means you better be a smartass mother「fluffernutter」er. You have to predict how a situation will play out in your head before you move in to the right place. Be in the wrong place at the wrong time, GG. Your margin for error is so ridiculously small. Any player that can consistently perform well with a slow old school bot, especially from close range, is running rings around his opponents head mentally and in terms of technique. |
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Post by cheap on Nov 14, 2019 4:36:09 GMT -5
I have 3 -Raven Because it's so easy to mess up with if you don't know what you're doing -Non-T Falcon It's harder to stay alive when you don't have a million health -Bulwark I just though of this because you have to know how to play it, when to use which shields and for how long to conserve all of you possible health. IMO one the bots that can go a whole game without taking damage i would add the Gary,Rhino, and Hover. even back in the Day the "Rhino" had Huge learning Curve to get it right. for the Hover i always loved it since it was Released(got mine 2weeks later) and advocated its greatness. the Gary was just a "「deteriorated bum-bum」 little asskicker" was also my 1st Camelot Bot the only thing i hate about it now is i have no way to get the Vermillion Skin. |
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Post by babypoppy on Nov 14, 2019 4:37:06 GMT -5
Kumiho, Gareth, Rogatka, Rhino, Raijin.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 14, 2019 8:03:34 GMT -5
What? No love for the Lancelot?? I had this game where my blues got meched out. I was the last player left and my Taser Lancelot was my last bot. Reds came in for a spawn raid, led by 3 Ares. First Ares had 1/2 HP and arrogantly walked up to me with it's purple shield. I wasted it with SB and barely 1/4 of my ammo. Second Ares came up arrogantly with about 3/4 HP. I wasted it before it could trigger it's purple shield. 3rd Ares tried to back pedal after triggering it's purple shield. I tanked the damage and walked into its shield and wasted it the last of my ammo. We both died at the same time.
And no mention of the the Golem eh? Both the Lancelot and Golem are excellent corner shooters. Corner shooting is a skill that must be learned as soon as possible. The reign of the Trident kinda killed the Golem I think and created the monster we know as the Ancilot. But, what made the Ancilot a skill bot was the ability to tank splash while brawling with corner shooting.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 8:17:09 GMT -5
all of are not true, to play these bots to their full potential it requires a good amount of skill yes but not near what it takes for strider and hover, take doc for example. He does well in lower leagues because he is balanced for that level of play, but at champs there are bots balanced for much higher level of play then him. This meaning the bots you mentioned can be run at all times but they have a skill ceiling, after you reach that the only way you can run it in higher leagues is by way of caution and leveling. Strider and hover on the other hand have no apparent skill ceiling as in the only reason they would stop working is if other parts of the bot just can't work at all in higher leagues. I see what you are saying but that is sort of the same as saying that those bots are too hard to play therefore they are not skill bots and that it is the easier to play bot that is more skillful. The strider is much more powerful than the bots I listed with it's 5 dash charges. I would say that a Stalker, Doc or Rhino player taking out an Ares is much more skillful and impressive than a bot with 5 (five) freaking dash charges doing the same. This is not so say that the Strider does not have a high skill ceiling though. Ita really an argument of skillful play by the player in terms of situational awareness and tactical decision making vs mastery of a bot and its abilities. I will agree that some bots have a higher skill ceiling than others. A Leo is a simple bot to master and easy to play at lower leagues. The skills developed in running a Leo only go so far towards mastering the bot. As someone who occassionally runs a level 10 Thunder Pinata Leo in Champions League as part of an Ag bots and weapons hangar most of the skill sets needed to play are player skills in the form of situational awareness and decision making rather than any skills that are part of mastering the bot. A Rhino on the other hand has a very high skill ceiling. It has a powerful ability that comes at the cost of 2 crippling weaknesses that must be overcome by the player to even make use of the ability. The bot is basically useless and worse than a Griffin until you figure it out. You must master the slow movement speed when the ability is inactive and the inability to turn your torso or make use of the medium weapons when the ability is active. A Rhino can run right into the bubble of an Ares or Ancilot and take it out without so much of a scratch and can make it look easy but the reality is that it is far from easy. It takes absolute mastery of the bot and timing to pull that off. The Doc, Stalker, Carnage and Griffin are similar in that they have a fairly high skill ceiling although the Griffin's skill ceiling is a little lower than the rest due to the simplicity of its ability and reasonable HP. There's just not a lot to master although skillful RDB play is still impressive. you miss my point although you make some good ones yourself, the skills it takes to kill an ares with one of the bots you listed are fairly high but none of those are skills pertaining to the bot. That is skill of the player in situational awareness, and in stealthy moving rather than skills on how to use the ability. Stalker and rhino can use their ability to great effect so they are sort of an exception but in any case more of their playstyle is situational awareness and knowing when to turn back. Their skill requirements are higher than the others but still a good ways lower than strider or haechi. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 8:21:03 GMT -5
All robots whose special ability does not wholly dominate its regular mode are skill bots You might be surprised, but slower bots takes the most mental skill. Because these players have to think 3 steps ahead. As opposed to the physical click skills of a strider. A strider, whilst requiring a lot of physical actions, has a lot of options that say a Leo does not. rocking a leo etc requires tremendous mental foresight. As does carnage etc. They canâ??t press dash to evade Ao Jun... Agreed, your lack of speed to get back in cover if things go south means you better be a smartass mother?fluffernutter?er. You have to predict how a situation will play out in your head before you move in to the right place. Be in the wrong place at the wrong time, GG. Your margin for error is so ridiculously small. Any player that can consistently perform well with a slow old school bot, especially from close range, is running rings around his opponents head mentally and in terms of technique. as I said in my last post, these skills are not pertaining to the bot or its ability, only to where you move when. Strider or hover require great mastery of the bot to do well no matter what you are doing, situational awareness is important on every single bot, just more pronounced on bots such as leo or griffin |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 8:41:18 GMT -5
all of are not true, to play these bots to their full potential it requires a good amount of skill yes but not near what it takes for strider and hover, take doc for example. He does well in lower leagues because he is balanced for that level of play, but at champs there are bots balanced for much higher level of play then him. This meaning the bots you mentioned can be run at all times but they have a skill ceiling, after you reach that the only way you can run it in higher leagues is by way of caution and leveling. Strider and hover on the other hand have no apparent skill ceiling as in the only reason they would stop working is if other parts of the bot just can't work at all in higher leagues. You're way over selling the hype of Hover and Strider. I absolutely love those bots but really any under-powered bot requires skillz to make them work effectively against the meta. I've been playing a L7 Rayker lately and i tells ya that one requires some sharp skillz. and yet again I will say it, in my last posts I explained this, the legacy bots take situational awareness, not skill with the bot, sure you still need good skill with them but the reason anyone is winning battles with weak bots in champs is because they pay attention to what is around them which means they are really just waiting until they can see an easy kill and then coming out of hiding |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Nov 14, 2019 8:50:29 GMT -5
Agreed, your lack of speed to get back in cover if things go south means you better be a smartass mother?fluffernutter?er. You have to predict how a situation will play out in your head before you move in to the right place. Be in the wrong place at the wrong time, GG. Your margin for error is so ridiculously small. Any player that can consistently perform well with a slow old school bot, especially from close range, is running rings around his opponents head mentally and in terms of technique. as I said in my last post, these skills are not pertaining to the bot or its ability, only to where you move when. Strider or hover require great mastery of the bot to do well no matter what you are doing, situational awareness is important on every single bot, just more pronounced on bots such as leo or griffin I think you're showing a lot of bias towards active abilities here. And I don't understand your statement " Strider or hover require great mastery of the bot to do well no matter what you are doing". Every bot needs great mastery to do well whatever the 「fluffernutter」 they are doing. |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Nov 14, 2019 8:55:53 GMT -5
You're way over selling the hype of Hover and Strider. I absolutely love those bots but really any under-powered bot requires skillz to make them work effectively against the meta. I've been playing a L7 Rayker lately and i tells ya that one requires some sharp skillz. and yet again I will say it, in my last posts I explained this, the legacy bots take situational awareness, not skill with the bot, sure you still need good skill with them but the reason anyone is winning battles with weak bots in champs is because they pay attention to what is around them which means they are really just waiting until they can see an easy kill and then coming out of hiding Your definition of skill needs greater elaboration dude. And no, the reason why anyone is winning battles with weak bots in champs isn't because they're waiting around for easy kills. It's cause they know how to use their bots well and know how to beat the meta with them. You're lack of understanding in this matter is becoming more and more glaringly obvious. You should watch some of our resident legacy players' videos to understand why they win. And let me tell, they don't spend the battle waiting around for an enemy bot to land on their lap. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 10:11:12 GMT -5
and yet again I will say it, in my last posts I explained this, the legacy bots take situational awareness, not skill with the bot, sure you still need good skill with them but the reason anyone is winning battles with weak bots in champs is because they pay attention to what is around them which means they are really just waiting until they can see an easy kill and then coming out of hiding Your definition of skill needs greater elaboration dude. And no, the reason why anyone is winning battles with weak bots in champs isn't because they're waiting around for easy kills. It's cause they know how to use their bots well and know how to beat the meta with them. You're lack of understanding in this matter is becoming more and more glaringly obvious. You should watch some of our resident legacy players' videos to understand why they win. And let me tell, they don't spend the battle waiting around for an enemy bot to land on their lap. I worded it wrong man, what I mean is legacy players sit in cover more than they would if they used another more defended. My understanding in this matter is perfect and I have watched some of these videos, the reason you can play leagcy is simply because you are careful, sure you have to be very good at the skills of the bot as well but you only truly survive in champs because you are careful. No, I am not saying this to be rude or whatever, this is straight facts. Also them "knowing how to use their bot" literally means they know that their bot needs to hide more because of how squishy it is and these people know how to stay in cover so they may get kills that they wouldn't get if they weren't careful. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 10:19:48 GMT -5
as I said in my last post, these skills are not pertaining to the bot or its ability, only to where you move when. Strider or hover require great mastery of the bot to do well no matter what you are doing, situational awareness is important on every single bot, just more pronounced on bots such as leo or griffin I think you're showing a lot of bias towards active abilities here. And I don't understand your statement " Strider or hover require great mastery of the bot to do well no matter what you are doing". Every bot needs great mastery to do well whatever the ?fluffernutter? they are doing. no, every bot does not. Take ares for example, he requires little skill so long as you get to, and stay in, cover. Legacy are the same in skill requirements but for a different reason, they require more awareness of your surroundings. You are hot headed right now, cool off and think. All im saying is they aren't near as well protected as todays bots. The bots of today have all sorts of protection AND good firepower usually which means legacy bots, which always had one or the other because they remained balanced for their time, don't have to same advantages and in turn die easily unless you pay attention. Days of old were walk out, shoot at each other until one is dead then move on, now they require heavy mastery of your surroundings AND bots which those days didn't have near as much since the abilities were basic and only changed game play a small bit. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 14, 2019 10:24:34 GMT -5
Regular Falcon, Raven, Hover, Stalker, Griffin, Carnage, Rhino, Doc ect ect. Another vote for Classic Falcon. Honorable mention (even though it’s pretty high in the meta tier) is Blitz. I’m not talking 1v1 skill, I’m talking about the skill required to suppress 2+ reds in front of you (say at 10 and 2) to help your teammates and still nail that guy at your six with suppression then charging in for the kill. I’d put that up there with the single-jump multi-kill in TT Falcon, again where the final kill is that guy on your six. Yeah, I know you’re back there, lol. |
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Post by foxypotato on Nov 14, 2019 10:57:47 GMT -5
I see what you are saying but that is sort of the same as saying that those bots are too hard to play therefore they are not skill bots and that it is the easier to play bot that is more skillful. The strider is much more powerful than the bots I listed with it's 5 dash charges. I would say that a Stalker, Doc or Rhino player taking out an Ares is much more skillful and impressive than a bot with 5 (five) freaking dash charges doing the same. This is not so say that the Strider does not have a high skill ceiling though. Ita really an argument of skillful play by the player in terms of situational awareness and tactical decision making vs mastery of a bot and its abilities. I will agree that some bots have a higher skill ceiling than others. A Leo is a simple bot to master and easy to play at lower leagues. The skills developed in running a Leo only go so far towards mastering the bot. As someone who occassionally runs a level 10 Thunder Pinata Leo in Champions League as part of an Ag bots and weapons hangar most of the skill sets needed to play are player skills in the form of situational awareness and decision making rather than any skills that are part of mastering the bot. A Rhino on the other hand has a very high skill ceiling. It has a powerful ability that comes at the cost of 2 crippling weaknesses that must be overcome by the player to even make use of the ability. The bot is basically useless and worse than a Griffin until you figure it out. You must master the slow movement speed when the ability is inactive and the inability to turn your torso or make use of the medium weapons when the ability is active. A Rhino can run right into the bubble of an Ares or Ancilot and take it out without so much of a scratch and can make it look easy but the reality is that it is far from easy. It takes absolute mastery of the bot and timing to pull that off. The Doc, Stalker, Carnage and Griffin are similar in that they have a fairly high skill ceiling although the Griffin's skill ceiling is a little lower than the rest due to the simplicity of its ability and reasonable HP. There's just not a lot to master although skillful RDB play is still impressive. you miss my point although you make some good ones yourself, the skills it takes to kill an ares with one of the bots you listed are fairly high but none of those are skills pertaining to the bot. That is skill of the player in situational awareness, and in stealthy moving rather than skills on how to use the ability. Stalker and rhino can use their ability to great effect so they are sort of an exception but in any case more of their playstyle is situational awareness and knowing when to turn back. Their skill requirements are higher than the others but still a good ways lower than strider or haechi. As someone who has ran Strider, Haechi, Stalker and Rhino I can tell you for fact that the Stalker and Rhino take much more skill to run. I sold off my Haechi and Strider because they were too easy to play and OP for my tastes. I found the double dash of the Haechi to be a cheap and abusive game mechanic that relied on ability of the bot rather than skill. It allowed you to dash back to saftey as a reaction which lent itself to careless play. The bot was so much easier to do well with than a Griffin. Dash, erase with 3 Orkans, dash all the while doing it with an Ancike shield, more HP than a Carnage and a tiny hitbox. The Strider, while fun, was obscene in the number of ability charges. You could just ability spam and end up in center faster than any other light bot in the game while having more HP and firepower than any other light bot by wide margins. That's just insulting. I didn't feel right playing any of them and still don't play dash bots to this day. They were vastly overpowered compared to the bots that preceeded them and using them felt cheap. They were just too good and too easy to play. There was a lot of bragging on the forums at the time from player that had them about how easy it was to kill off the enemy team of not-dashbots with dash bots without even trying. They became heavily associated with the skill degradation that was/is occurring in the game. They were the epicenter of it in their day and considered the beginning of the end today. Definitely not bots I would consider to take more skill to play than say a Rhino or Stalker today. Not even close. |
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Post by orionpax on Nov 14, 2019 11:00:45 GMT -5
Blitz,Tyr
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 14, 2019 11:37:38 GMT -5
I do have to agree with foxypotato that those bots do require more skill, and that's why when you see people running them in champs you have to be wary. But I also agree a bit that older bots do have a 'skill cap'. I would also like to say that all bots can be played as skill bots. Some a lot more than others, but you can easily say "Oh look at that guy he did over 2mil with all legacy bots." but it might be harder for you to say "Oh look at that guy he did over 2 mil with only a leech". Bots don't always matter as well, no matter what bot you play if you are under leveled you have to use more skill than if you were not. Because maybe that guy running legacy has everything maxed but the guy with the leech has nothing about lv.9. P.S. Sidenote on the fact that not all the dash bots are like that, try the bolt Also adding the bolt to the list |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 11:48:47 GMT -5
you miss my point although you make some good ones yourself, the skills it takes to kill an ares with one of the bots you listed are fairly high but none of those are skills pertaining to the bot. That is skill of the player in situational awareness, and in stealthy moving rather than skills on how to use the ability. Stalker and rhino can use their ability to great effect so they are sort of an exception but in any case more of their playstyle is situational awareness and knowing when to turn back. Their skill requirements are higher than the others but still a good ways lower than strider or haechi. As someone who has ran Strider, Haechi, Stalker and Rhino I can tell you for fact that the Stalker and Rhino take much more skill to run. I sold off my Haechi and Strider because they were too easy to play and OP for my tastes. I found the double dash of the Haechi to be a cheap and abusive game mechanic that relied on ability of the bot rather than skill. It allowed you to dash back to saftey as a reaction which lent itself to careless play. The bot was so much easier to do well with than a Griffin. Dash, erase with 3 Orkans, dash all the while doing it with an Ancike shield, more HP than a Carnage and a tiny hitbox. The Strider, while fun, was obscene in the number of ability charges. You could just ability spam and end up in center faster than any other light bot in the game while having more HP and firepower than any other light bot by wide margins. That's just insulting. I didn't feel right playing any of them and still don't play dash bots to this day. They were vastly overpowered compared to the bots that preceeded them and using them felt cheap. They were just too good and too easy to play. There was a lot of bragging on the forums at the time from player that had them about how easy it was to kill off the enemy team of not-dashbots with dash bots without even trying. They became heavily associated with the skill degradation that was/is occurring in the game. They were the epicenter of it in their day and considered the beginning of the end today. Definitely not bots I would consider to take more skill to play than say a Rhino or Stalker today. Not even close. and again you miss my point, it takes skill to play a dash bot because the ability has so many ways tp be used while playing a legacy bot TAKES SKILL but not skill with the bot, skill with OBSERVATION, which is what you seem to be lacking right now. Also, strider may have been overpowered before but it isn't anymore, now without high skills and careful play you get sc「grape」 instantly. |
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Post by Phycoshot on Nov 14, 2019 11:54:45 GMT -5
As someone who has ran Strider, Haechi, Stalker and Rhino I can tell you for fact that the Stalker and Rhino take much more skill to run. I sold off my Haechi and Strider because they were too easy to play and OP for my tastes. I found the double dash of the Haechi to be a cheap and abusive game mechanic that relied on ability of the bot rather than skill. It allowed you to dash back to saftey as a reaction which lent itself to careless play. The bot was so much easier to do well with than a Griffin. Dash, erase with 3 Orkans, dash all the while doing it with an Ancike shield, more HP than a Carnage and a tiny hitbox. The Strider, while fun, was obscene in the number of ability charges. You could just ability spam and end up in center faster than any other light bot in the game while having more HP and firepower than any other light bot by wide margins. That's just insulting. I didn't feel right playing any of them and still don't play dash bots to this day. They were vastly overpowered compared to the bots that preceeded them and using them felt cheap. They were just too good and too easy to play. There was a lot of bragging on the forums at the time from player that had them about how easy it was to kill off the enemy team of not-dashbots with dash bots without even trying. They became heavily associated with the skill degradation that was/is occurring in the game. They were the epicenter of it in their day and considered the beginning of the end today. Definitely not bots I would consider to take more skill to play than say a Rhino or Stalker today. Not even close. and again you miss my point, it takes skill to play a dash bot because the ability has so many ways tp be used while playing a legacy bot TAKES SKILL but not skill with the bot, skill with OBSERVATION, which is what you seem to be lacking right now. Also, strider may have been overpowered before but it isn't anymore, now without high skills and careful play you get sc?grape? instantly. You guys are confusing me now. 1st-Can;t you have skill with things like the griffins jump, have to make sure where to land. With the new skill for the Wild Bunch you have to time your weapon switching to get the maximum amount of damage and not waste that bonus. 2nd-Don't all of pix's new toys fell that way? 3rd-This is just personal but I consider the strider to be OP |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Nov 14, 2019 11:56:25 GMT -5
I do have to agree with foxypotato that those bots do require more skill, and that's why when you see people running them in champs you have to be wary. But I also agree a bit that older bots do have a 'skill cap'. I would also like to say that all bots can be played as skill bots. Some a lot more than others, but you can easily say "Oh look at that guy he did over 2mil with all legacy bots." but it might be harder for you to say "Oh look at that guy he did over 2 mil with only a leech". Bots don't always matter as well, no matter what bot you play if you are under leveled you have to use more skill than if you were not. Because maybe that guy running legacy has everything maxed but the guy with the leech has nothing about lv.9. P.S. Sidenote on the fact that not all the dash bots are like that, try the bolt Also adding the bolt to the list yet again, the point I made was that it doesn't require skill with the bot, it requires skill with observation and situational awareness. 8 times I have said it and people are STILL not understanding, is everyone blind? Do they just not read because they don't want to? Or do I need to be more clear, 「fluffernutter」 man |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 12:02:16 GMT -5
Hover requires Neo from the Matrix situational awareness. Strider too, but not so much, as you don't have to manage the z-axis as much. There are many others too (in terms of managing space, counters, dealing with OP meta etc.), but Hover and Strider stand out, due to the nature of their abilities.
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