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Post by carnage on Mar 7, 2017 8:40:46 GMT -5
It's true if a Galahad is worth 2'500, I don't think the Griffin would be worth more.
Since britbots are underpriced (or overpowered, depending the way you look at it), it is hard to compare with britbots though. I mean, look at direct comparison... Guepard vs Gareth or Rogatka vs Galahad. In both cases the classes and the prices are similar, but in both cases the britbots are massively surpassing their counterpart. They even surpass robots from higher classes as well.
Still, a price of 2'500 could definitely have made sense for the Griffin.
Don't forget, it is only now that the MM allows such a mix. I have been playing this game too long so I am now not sure what level is required before you can purchase shieldbots. But they previously had a MM penalty on them so they could not be used in lower tiers effectively, thus allowing the Gepard and the Rog to shine. Even now, I believe that the Gepard still is a better choice for beginners. The Galahad at low levels is slow and vulnerable to hit and run piñata or CRV attacks. But I'm a little out dated on lower tier stuff. And with the league system, we are all playing catch up on how the league and MM co-exists Well, Guepard is dead, Pix killed it totally. For the same price you can get a Gareth, which is faster once upgraded, and with the addition of a shield which add a huge amount of durability if piloted properly. So there is really no reason to take a Guepard over a Gareth at this point.
I guess a logical step is to take Gareth first, then a Galahad second when approaching higher levels. I don't see the Guepard fitting in any strategy at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 9:23:00 GMT -5
A Galahad must be bought before a Gareth.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 7, 2017 9:36:58 GMT -5
I think the assertion by the op is crazy - the Griffin is affordable and works well....unsure how that makes it OP. Like all bots, it is great when equipped and used properly....and that takes some skill to use it right. I really hate these threads where dolts want to nerf things....and the basis some are trying to make to nerf the Griffin are just flat out wrong. prevalent = affordable Too much firepower: DPS wise it is not for a heavy bot Jumping: Cossack jumps with a much shorter cool down and has a medium hard point for a light bot....why not nerf it, too?
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 7, 2017 14:00:22 GMT -5
A Galahad must be bought before a Gareth. why? a gareth is more survival ability, galahad more firepower. they have different jobs, and light bots are dominant in low leagues.
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Post by shivaswrath on Mar 7, 2017 14:49:23 GMT -5
I was forced to upgrade my griffin to DB because of all of these damn Griffs....
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 7, 2017 15:28:42 GMT -5
Because it has the firepower of a Rhino combined with Jump... And the health and protection of a pillow. There is a counter to everything in this game. That's why it's so great.
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Post by tagnal on Mar 7, 2017 15:34:42 GMT -5
Don't forget, it is only now that the MM allows such a mix. I have been playing this game too long so I am now not sure what level is required before you can purchase shieldbots. But they previously had a MM penalty on them so they could not be used in lower tiers effectively, thus allowing the Gepard and the Rog to shine. Even now, I believe that the Gepard still is a better choice for beginners. The Galahad at low levels is slow and vulnerable to hit and run piñata or CRV attacks. But I'm a little out dated on lower tier stuff. And with the league system, we are all playing catch up on how the league and MM co-exists Well, Guepard is dead, Pix killed it totally. For the same price you can get a Gareth, which is faster once upgraded, and with the addition of a shield which add a huge amount of durability if piloted properly. So there is really no reason to take a Guepard over a Gareth at this point.
I guess a logical step is to take Gareth first, then a Galahad second when approaching higher levels. I don't see the Guepard fitting in any strategy at this point.
IMO, Aphid Gepard is still viable at times.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 7, 2017 16:38:07 GMT -5
I am exactly at the top of Gold 3, a few points away from Diamond that I hope to join next month. So I face a mix of high-gold and low-diamond.
At my level, no bot come close to the impact of the Gareth or the Galahad. I'd argue the Gareth has a stronger impact on the game than a Lancelot quite frankly because of the capping ability and amazing speed. Most of the time the Lancelot comes slowly, attract fire, and die. The Gareth is much harder to deal with, he can escapes all missiles with ease, and is basically immune to plasma because of the shield.
Thing is, the Gareth have deceptive speed so a good pilot will always choose the way he engages you, and then, ALSO have extraordinary resistance (in relative ways, the shield is even superior to Galahad, 200% of base health, which means at level 9 a Gareth has over 200'000 HP). That can help him blow away all mediums (except Galahad) and most of the heavies. I know it well, I am a typical knife fighter and use both Leo/Thunder/Pinata and Natasha/Thunder/Pinata setups. Believe it or not, but when I see a Gareth or a Galahad coming at me, I know it is over for me. They don't beat me because they are smarter or anything, they beat me because they come at my face, resist my attacks (evade Pinatas with ease, or at worst they resist to them with the shield), and blow me away with the combo Taran/Magnum.
And it's no different with a Rhino. The Rhino has major downsides compared to the britbots. Firstly, using the shield basically blocks your robot. Secondly, it diminishes drastically your firepower. The britbots have none of those problems, so a good britbot pilot will simply circle around the Rhino smashing him. Sure once in a while a Rhino will beat a britbot, but at equal skills and even situation, there is not a chance a Rhino can survive that kind of encounter. Same for the Carnage for different reasons. A Gareth Taran/Magnum will smash a Carnage in a few seconds only.
This is where I find it a bit ridiculous. Let's not forget Gareth is supposed to be a LIGHT bot. It doesn't make sense how strong he is currently. It is more understandable for the Galahad, and even there, it comes down to the medium vs heavy conversation, Galahad is still a medium which is very clearly superior to most heavies. When people say don't compare the Rog to the Griffin because the Rog is a medium, shouldn't we apply this same logic to the Galahad ? That's why I clearly see both Gareth/Galahad as OP, but mainly the Gareth.
Whatever, the Gareth/Galahad is a totally different topic.
Good luck in Diamond soon. You'll hope every single time that the Fury on the other side isn't looking at you. And also, if you are using Thunder Pinata Leo / Natasha, have something to replace it. There are literally no Leos or Natashas there. It may seem like the Gareth and Galahad are the king bots in gold now. If you want to see a video of Gareth's best performance in top tier, watch Adrian's. -> Although I wouldn't call Adrian an extremely good Gareth or Galahad pilot, this is pretty much the gist of the Gareth. Lol adrian is an AMAZING galahad pilot ? the only reason he looks like a mediocre Gareth pilot is because he doesn't like them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 16:58:09 GMT -5
A Galahad must be bought before a Gareth. why? a gareth is more survival ability, galahad more firepower. they have different jobs, and light bots are dominant in low leagues. You can't always stay in the lower Leagues.
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 7, 2017 21:14:07 GMT -5
The Griffin is affordable, reliable and you can certainly use it until you can afford something better (Lance, Galahad, Fury, Butch, Doc). Essentially it is the Toyota of the robot world.
Nerf Toyotas.
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Post by RΛИDØM on Mar 8, 2017 3:49:57 GMT -5
i don't think the Griffin is OP. The Griffin is vulnerable to plasma, snipers and even rockets when it has used its jump because of the long jump timer.
The Rogatka needs some love to justify its current price - but the Rog is unlikely to get it because most of us already own it. Pixonic is only interested in selling us new robots for $. Pixonic will continue the buffing then nerfing cycle as it has in the past to keep us spending money. My guess is something that costs $ will come along that is better than the Griff and it will end up getting replaced that way rather than it being nerfed.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 8, 2017 7:38:50 GMT -5
why? a gareth is more survival ability, galahad more firepower. they have different jobs, and light bots are dominant in low leagues. You can't always stay in the lower Leagues. in higher leagues, the more heavy bots there are, on a close range map they can easily run circles around the heavys, like the annoying aphid gepards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 7:49:08 GMT -5
You can't always stay in the lower Leagues. in higher leagues, the more heavy bots there are, on a close range map they can easily run circles around the heavys, like the annoying aphid gepards. You shouldn't have a problem with Aphid Gepards. And no heavy bot would ever let another bot get close to them in in the higher Leagues. Which tier are you in anyways? I think you have a misconception about the upper tiers.
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Post by freerιde on Mar 8, 2017 9:45:17 GMT -5
Another point that I don't think has been brought up yet is the skill level required to use a griffin.
Others may disagree, but I think the griffin is the most difficult bot to pilot well. It seems you need to be able to identify a target before pouncing, know the map well enough to know where you will land, have strong situational awareness so you don't jump into a cluster of enemies and be able to retreat or take cover in a slow griffin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 9:51:38 GMT -5
Another point that I don't think has been brought up yet is the skill level required to use a griffin. Others may disagree, but I think the griffin is the most difficult bot to pilot well. It seems you need to be able to identify a target before pouncing, know the map well enough to know where you will land, have strong situational awareness so you don't jump into a cluster of enemies and be able to retreat or take cover in a slow griffin. Using a Griffin effectively is almost as hard as to use a Galahad or a Rhino properly. All you need to play the Griffin decently is a few matches with Taran Cossacks.
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Post by RightOn on Mar 8, 2017 10:05:30 GMT -5
I would definitely agree Griffin takes a little more finesse than most other bots. Rhino is challenging to master, but Ghad is laughably simple. All you have do is use tide turner for speed, done and done. Rhino is like driving a garbage truck, by the time you've made it to your destination you're exhausted.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 8, 2017 11:35:40 GMT -5
I would definitely agree Griffin takes a little more finesse than most other bots. Rhino is challenging to master, but Ghad is laughably simple. All you have do is use tide turner for speed, done and done. Rhino is like driving a garbage truck, by the time you've made it to your destination you're exhausted. not really true. a galahad is extremely vulnerable to splash, and it has lower hitpoints then other mediums. You need to have good situational awareness to avoid splash.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 11:37:53 GMT -5
I would definitely agree Griffin takes a little more finesse than most other bots. Rhino is challenging to master, but Ghad is laughably simple. All you have do is use tide turner for speed, done and done. Rhino is like driving a garbage truck, by the time you've made it to your destination you're exhausted. not really true. a galahad is extremely vulnerable to splash, and it has lower hitpoints then other mediums. You need to have good situational awareness to avoid splash. It is only vulnerable to midrange splash.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 8, 2017 11:41:09 GMT -5
not really true. a galahad is extremely vulnerable to splash, and it has lower hitpoints then other mediums. You need to have good situational awareness to avoid splash. It is only vulnerable to midrange splash. then how have i killed many a galahad with my Db griffin? the galahad has lower hitpoints, as i said, he is vulnerable to any splash.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 12:12:06 GMT -5
It is only vulnerable to midrange splash. then how have i killed many a galahad with my Db griffin? the galahad has lower hitpoints, as i said, he is vulnerable to any splash. Because the Galahads you fight simply aren't skilled. They don't know how to bait and backpedal. When you backpedal in a Galahad, you ignore every single rocket from a Death Button. A Galahad can block Plasma, Machine Guns and KWK/Treb/Kangs and can backpedal Orkans / Pinatas and can block Hydras and Aphids to a certain extent. The only thing a Galahad cannot do is avoid Tulumbas, Pins and Tridents. If you want to find good Galahad players, I'd suggest you squad with some Master or Expert Leagued players.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 8, 2017 13:01:47 GMT -5
Recent changes server side should end the backpedal tactic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 13:08:45 GMT -5
When was that stated?
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 8, 2017 14:20:24 GMT -5
Redditt Q&A I believe.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 8, 2017 15:24:15 GMT -5
Griffins are like zombies. You kill one and another pops up to take it's place. You're only option is to go with the flow and pop into a griffin yourself
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 8, 2017 15:27:41 GMT -5
Griffins are like zombies. You kill one and another pops up to take it's place. You're only option is to go with the flow and pop into a griffin yourself Plenty of counters to Griffs besides other Griffs... Ag options, to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:28:20 GMT -5
If I remember right the comment was about things like the Pinata/Orkan and what will effectively cause them to detonate. Currently they do it when they reach the range of the target, hit or miss. If nothing is targeted the go until they hit something, or reach maximum range. The proposed change was that the detonation would only occur upon hitting something (bot/wall/ramp/etc), or upon reaching maximum range. If they do follow through then backpedaling away from the targeted range would no longer detonate them prematurely based upon the range tagged when they were fired.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 8, 2017 15:31:12 GMT -5
Griffins are like zombies. You kill one and another pops up to take it's place. You're only option is to go with the flow and pop into a griffin yourself Plenty of counters to Griffs besides other Griffs... Ag options, to boot. The best counter to a Griffin is another Griffin because Griffins are cheap
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 8, 2017 15:43:49 GMT -5
Plenty of counters to Griffs besides other Griffs... Ag options, to boot. The best counter to a Griffin is another Griffin because Griffins are cheap OK... if you say so. I don't put the value of the bots or weapons in the equation when figuring out what to use against some other bot... but if that is your method... then charge! I have a few weapons that get shuffled, Zeus being an example, and whether on a Fury, or a Carny, or a Natty, they are superb for getting Griffs... especially mid-jump. But... yeah, if cost is the most important thing to you... then maybe you're right. Haven't even considered that as a factor so no comment on agreement or disagreement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:57:04 GMT -5
No it didn't. Jut read through all Pix's comments there.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 8, 2017 16:12:54 GMT -5
May have been FB, but I do remember them stating that rockets now went till they hit something and not to where the target range was when fired as previously.
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