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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 17:57:59 GMT -5
My manifesto (others please add): - Hangar-based MM - Restore old economy - End performance boosters - Nerf Spectre and Shocktrains - End "Random Mode" I'm willing to send the following to Pixonic to make them aware of the movement (if they aren't already). I plan on sending it tonight, if anyone has anything they feel that needs to be added, feel free to post here for a discussion, or send me a PM if you feel it's well thought out already. Here's my current plea: You both left out the first and most important condition. It is vital that we assert and require one certain condition to be granted before we state any other conditions/demands and before we open any negotiations with pix or accept any concessions: They mandatorily must PUBLICLY acknowledge our movement by specific reference or by specific name through one of their official channels (the ingame mail icon, or their official War Robots Facebook page, or their official War Robots site) They can call us something semi-general like the "the strike movement" or "unionized strike movement" or "United Warrobots Players strike" or whatever as long as they specifically acknowledge a name of the movement from an official channel. We must not allow them to respond to the strike by annoucing: "we've noticed that players have been dissatisfied"/"It has come to our attention that several pilots don't favor some of the changes we've made"/"We've been listening to your latest feedback". >NO CITING A GENERAL SOURCE OF MALCONTENT< Why is It so important for pix to specifically reference our group publicly? Because If all the players see that a specific group or movement within the game of players(players just like themselves who just decided to collectively join together) has provoked Pix to respond and act, they will see that they are not powerless, that they CAN make a difference, they CAN affect Pix, that they DO HAVE a SAY-SO, and that they can make their voices HEARD. The biggest enemy to our movement is DOUBT. Doubt that we, anyone can, find/motivate/encourage enough players to act. So they don't act. Doubt killed It before we even had a chance to start. After seeing this kind of announcement, It will destroy and defeat that doubt in an instant. They will be empowered. They will add exponentially to our numbers, and from that moment on... We will have an irreversible PERMANENT FORCE OF INFLUENCE PRESENCE that can force pix to cater to our demands as the majority of the whole War Robots community. From that moment on, we will have that card to play, we will have that impossible to ignore tool to access for any time in the future pix tries to make a disasterous change to the game. It is essential that we donot waver on this precursory condition. And that we donot open negotiations until It is met. I understand what you mean, but getting results, or at the very least a direct response, or a willingness to start a dialogue, would be enough acknowledgement of The Movement’s existence. To me it’s the results that matter, not the ego.
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Post by -PD- on Sept 10, 2018 17:59:49 GMT -5
Did it work? Did we get some Au back?
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:05:25 GMT -5
Did it work? Did we get some Au back? I haven’t sent the document, yet. And I don’t know if Pixonic is aware of the petition earlcampbell posted earlier, yet. This has only been the first day of a quickly set up strike, so don’t expect any miracles, yet.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:17:15 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, but getting results, or at the very least a direct response, or a willingness to start a dialogue would, be enough acknowledgement of The Movement’s existence. To me it’s the results that matter, not the ego. It's not about ego, It's not about taking credit, It's about pix not silently trying to fix the problem so they can just sweep It under the rug and bury the whole thing afterwards, and If at any point after making the initial impact, we can't reproduce the same results again, because we'd need to all organize at once again. And that's based on chance. We can't afford to rely on that. We get ONE SHOT when chance lands on our favor. When we get that microphone, we won't get It again and our movement could very easily die out If pix tries to settle this silently. They could just appease us just enough, stringing us along enough to stall us in negotiations for everyone's lucky one-chance scynchronization to fall apart. Re-read the post If you must, this decision is key.
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:22:58 GMT -5
Can you link me the post you’re referring to?
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:25:07 GMT -5
Can you link me the post you’re referring to? comment, rather. It was the wall of text you responded to last.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:28:04 GMT -5
OMG I always have to go back and edit my typos. touchscreen typing was not meant for my long huge piano-finger-hands
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:29:35 GMT -5
Right. I got you.
Well, I don’t agree with the recognition aspect, more so with the results. And if necessary, players can be rallied up again, if Pixonic’s changes ask for it.
Maybe you are a better person to spearhead this thread’s campaign. Feel free to use the plea I set out earlier and add to it what you feel like is necessary.
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:30:41 GMT -5
OMG I always have to go back and edit my typos. touchscreen typing was not meant for my long huge piano-finger-hands I have that often as well. Should consider reading before posting. Triggerhappy noob.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:33:51 GMT -5
Right. I got you. Well, I don’t agree with the recognition aspect, more so with the results. And if necessary, players can be rallied up again, if Pixonic’s changes ask for it. Maybe you are a better person to spearhead this thread’s campaign. Feel free to use the plea I set out earlier and add to it what you feel like is necessary. You're underestimating how much we're relying on chance and trend sweeping people up into It. The trend is now, and It comes once. After that leaves, a sustainable driving force must remain. Without this, pix can just wait us out, and our movement dies very quickly and they continue business as usual.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:36:24 GMT -5
OMG I always have to go back and edit my typos. touchscreen typing was not meant for my long huge piano-finger-hands I have that often as well. Should consider reading before posting. Triggerhappy noob. I always do. I sometimes can't count the number of times I multi-edit a message before I post. Still some slip by sometimes.
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Post by k5aid on Sept 10, 2018 18:36:25 GMT -5
I have complied with the strike request and not played today... Watching Monday night football...if you need written signiture, I will comply. Awaiting further orders!!
K5AID.
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Post by sonofsam on Sept 10, 2018 18:37:28 GMT -5
Okay, there is wayy too much to read can someone tell my why you are boycotting?
I mean you wanted it to be easier to get Au and Component items so they gave you WS2 now with Ag and a bit of patience you can have anything except the newest guns absolutely free in 2 weeks or less.
You wanted them to balance the game so they are trying the stuff on test server so they can go behind the scenes and balance OP weapons/bots.
The gold on Royalle was a nice bonus but you knew it couldn't last forever and by them allowing you easy access to most weapons they had to take something away. Maybe I don't miss this as much because I quit playing for a while and just came back a month ago. Back then your only way to get gold was dailys and earning it in battle. Well we are there again.
The new economy isn't great but the videos allow you to shorten the time considerably. That upgrade takes a week? If you play an hour a day you should play about 6 battles an hour. That is 2 hours a day x 7 days 14 hours off just for playing. Then if you did your dailes that's 420 Au enough to knock another 18- 20 hours off if you got gold in battle then you could stretch that to a day so a 7 day upgrade is actually more like 5 and a half AND THAT IS IF YOU ONLY PLAY ONE HOUR A DAY.
The mismatchmaker is what it is and pix has no intention of changing it. It has been around about a year and a half or so and still no tweaks.
Trust me other than the Ag drain things are actually better now than when I quit and if they use the thing they are testing on the Test Server to get anywhere close to balance then the game is actually getting pretty good.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:38:15 GMT -5
I have complied with the strike request and not played today... Watching Monday night football...if you need written signiture, I will comply. Awaiting further orders!! K5AID. here are your assassination instructions *hands you disc* remember this disc will self-destruct. we never had this conversation...
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Post by k5aid on Sept 10, 2018 18:48:28 GMT -5
I have complied with the strike request and not played today... Watching Monday night football...if you need written signiture, I will comply. Awaiting further orders!! K5AID. here are your assassination instructions *hands you disc* remember this disc will self-destruct. we never had this conversation... Mission Impossible theme plays.....
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:51:16 GMT -5
Okay, there is wayy too much to read can someone tell my why you are boycotting? I mean you wanted it to be easier to get Au and Component items so they gave you WS2 now with Ag and a bit of patience you can have anything except the newest guns absolutely free in 2 weeks or less. You wanted them to balance the game so they are trying the stuff on test server so they can go behind the scenes and balance OP weapons/bots. The gold on Royalle was a nice bonus but you knew it couldn't last forever and by them allowing you easy access to most weapons they had to take something away. Maybe I don't miss this as much because I quit playing for a while and just came back a month ago. Back then your only way to get gold was dailys and earning it in battle. Well we are there again. The new economy isn't great but the videos allow you to shorten the time considerably. That upgrade takes a week? If you play an hour a day you should play about 6 battles an hour. That is 2 hours a day x 7 days 14 hours off just for playing. Then if you did your dailes that's 420 Au enough to knock another 18- 20 hours off if you got gold in battle then you could stretch that to a day so a 7 day upgrade is actually more like 5 and a half AND THAT IS IF YOU ONLY PLAY ONE HOUR A DAY. The mismatchmaker is what it is and pix has no intention of changing it. It has been around about a year and a half or so and still no tweaks. Trust me other than the Ag drain things are actually better now than when I quit and if they use the thing they are testing on the Test Server to get anywhere close to balance then the game is actually getting pretty good. It basically comes down to this: I'm willing to send the following to Pixonic to make them aware of the movement (if they aren't already). I plan on sending it tonight, if anyone has anything they feel that needs to be added, feel free to post here for a discussion, or send me a PM if you feel it's well thought out already. Here's my current plea: As for the Ag drain: that is my personal reason, all else I can deal with in-game. Taking away the only means to gather a reasonable amount of Ag to endure the New Economy is one misstep too many. If the above is too much wall of text for you to handle, I don’t know what to say to you.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 18:53:02 GMT -5
everytime I see your avatar I think of a g a y-pride carnage... Is that the point? ppl need to learn how to shorten their quotes.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Sept 10, 2018 18:55:00 GMT -5
Damn keyboards are so small on some devices it takes me 3 minutes or more to type and edit a single sentence.
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Post by BossieBos on Sept 10, 2018 18:58:08 GMT -5
The new economy isn't great but the videos allow you to shorten the time considerably. That upgrade takes a week? If you play an hour a day you should play about 6 battles an hour. That is 2 hours a day x 7 days 14 hours off just for playing. Then if you did your dailes that's 420 Au enough to knock another 18- 20 hours off if you got gold in battle then you could stretch that to a day so a 7 day upgrade is actually more like 5 and a half AND THAT IS IF YOU ONLY PLAY ONE HOUR A DAY. Correct. For 1 level of 1 item. With many new items coming out regularly. Now do the math again and tell me how long it takes to get a newly acquired bot with 3 new weapons up to, sayyyy.... MK1 level 12. See you in 2019.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 19:01:26 GMT -5
Damn keyboards are so small on some devices it takes me 3 minutes or more to type and edit a single sentence. I personally think phones and computers are too incompatible to be fused into one. both the quality of the phone and the quality of the computer suffer a sacrifice when combined. but It's just so 「gosh darn 」 convenient...
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Post by sonofsam on Sept 10, 2018 19:06:11 GMT -5
everytime I see your avatar I think of a g a y-pride carnage... Is that the point? ppl need to learn how to shorten their quotes. Yes I'm ?really happy? and when I made the avatar I was blasting people with a thunder carnage so...
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 19:10:41 GMT -5
everytime I see your avatar I think of a g a y-pride carnage... Is that the point? ppl need to learn how to shorten their quotes. Yes I'm ?really happy? and when I made the avatar I was blasting people with a thunder carnage so... you just made me think of two carnages speedboost thrusting eachother like nothin'-but-mammals-do-on-the-discovery-channel...
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 10, 2018 19:12:20 GMT -5
You both left out the first and most important condition. It is vital that we assert and require one certain condition to be granted before we state any other conditions/demands and before we open any negotiations with pix or accept any concessions: They mandatorily must PUBLICLY acknowledge our movement by specific reference or by specific name through one of their official channels (the ingame mail icon, or their official War Robots Facebook page, or their official War Robots site) They can call us something semi-general like the "the strike movement" or "unionized strike movement" or "United Warrobots Players strike" or whatever as long as they specifically acknowledge a name of the movement from an official channel. We must not allow them to respond to the strike by annoucing: "we've noticed that players have been dissatisfied"/"It has come to our attention that several pilots don't favor some of the changes we've made"/"We've been listening to your latest feedback". >NO CITING A GENERAL SOURCE OF MALCONTENT< Why is It so important for pix to specifically reference our group publicly? Because If all the players see that a specific group or movement within the game of players(players just like themselves who just decided to collectively join together) has provoked Pix to respond and act, they will see that they are not powerless, that they CAN make a difference, they CAN affect Pix, that they DO HAVE a SAY-SO, and that they can make their voices HEARD. The biggest enemy to our movement is DOUBT. Doubt that we, anyone can, find/motivate/encourage enough players to act. So they don't act. Doubt killed It before we even had a chance to start. After seeing this kind of announcement, It will destroy and defeat that doubt in an instant. They will be empowered. They will add exponentially to our numbers, and from that moment on... We will have an irreversible PERMANENT FORCE OF INFLUENCE PRESENCE that can force pix to cater to our demands as the majority of the whole War Robots community. From that moment on, we will have that card to play, we will have that impossible to ignore tool to access for any time in the future pix tries to make a disasterous change to the game. It is essential that we donot waver on this precursory condition. And that we donot open negotiations until It is met. I understand what you mean, but getting results, or at the very least a direct response, or a willingness to start a dialogue, would be enough acknowledgement of The Movement’s existence. To me it’s the results that matter, not the ego. Completely agree here. I don't need formal recognition -- I just want to see results. I want to see a visible change in direction from this company, and I mean more than the lip service we've gotten in the past. Saying that we listen to our players generates more ill will when they turn around and do more of precisely what those players are complaining about. Show me a monetization strategy that makes me want to support the company, not twist my arm into paying through the nose for a perceived advantage. And for the love of Jesus, give me my choices back in what and how I play the game. Ironically, seeing this in print just hammers home how utterly futile this all is. They'll never change.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 10, 2018 19:16:11 GMT -5
Did it work? Did we get some Au back? No, but average global temperatures inexplicably rose about .6° since around midnight GMT yesterday. Scientists are baffled.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 19:29:49 GMT -5
Completely agree here. I don't need formal recognition -- I just want to see results. I want to see a visible change in direction from this company, and I mean more than the lip service we've gotten in the past. Saying that we listen to our players generates more ill will when they turn around and do more of precisely what those players are complaining about. Show me a monetization strategy that makes me want to support the company, not twist my arm into paying through the nose for a perceived advantage. And for the love of Jesus, give me my choices back in what and how I play the game. Ironically, seeing this in print just hammers home how utterly futile this all is. They'll never change. OMG you guys just don't get It. formal recognition isn't about having an identity, It's not for credit, not for vanity, It's not to become a sovereign nation... It's to firmly plant ourselves in place as an unmovable obstacle. In silence, behind the scenes, away from the general player's sight, we're too easily patronized and pushed aside. One small concession to appease quietly behind closed doors, and we fade out of existance. That's too huge of an opening to not cover. The results of the strike and the recognition are interdependent. One will die without the other.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 20:13:41 GMT -5
Represent
If someone plays in the next week in this clan, they're out, this is a 7-day strike for us.
The threat needs to be maintained, the strikes need to continue, and so does the publicity on social media.
We'll further discuss a one-week strike next month or alternatives that are agreed to (via vote) week-end only play, two-week strike, etc.
Hopefully other developers will notice the discontent among the player base, and will seek these players that Pixonic obviously does not want.
To be continued... Two questions @earlcampbell: 1. Are you in a Russian speaking clan? If so can you keep us up-to-date here in this thread to any decision making regarding length and other policies of this movement? 2. You said this is a weeklong strike for your clan. Is this for all clans on this list, or just for your clan (and possibly others)? Because from what I understand from the petition is that it’s for a day and further steps (such as a planned weeklong strike) will be discussed later on. 1. Yes, I’m in a Russian speaking clan. I’m the only officer who does not speak Rus (although I learn a new word or two every time we squad). Since I can read Greek, Cyrillic is no biggie. I get communication from both in game chat and via email from other officers. This clan has friendships and/or ties with other Rus-speaking clans, so they can amplify their voice. Many have played this game since the early days, and obviously don’t agree with the recent monetization-related decisions. Sure, I’ll keep you current with the coming strike schedules, so we can align if others so choose, and we hope they do. 2. The weeklong strike is not our idea, but we’ve been asked (by other Rus-speaking clans) to adopt it, and we are. This is an active clan with a steady stream of requests to join. All members are required to adopt our strike schedule or they will lose membership. This decision was made by vote, and is a condition for continued membership. We sincerely want nothing but the best for Pixonic, meaning, high profit and sustainable viability. Unfortunately, Pixonic does not seem to care about their own long term viability nor their loyal base, so top Rus-clans (we are but one) are taking steps to stop playing War Robots altogether unless reasonable demands (that are in everyone’s best interest) are met.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 20:34:41 GMT -5
My manifesto (others please add): - Hangar-based MM - Restore old economy - End performance boosters - Nerf Spectre and Shocktrains - End "Random Mode" I'm willing to send the following to Pixonic to make them aware of the movement (if they aren't already). I plan on sending it tonight, if anyone has anything they feel that needs to be added, feel free to post here for a discussion, or send me a PM if you feel it's well thought out already. Here's my current plea: You both left out the first and most important condition. It is vital that we assert and require one certain condition to be granted before we state any other conditions/demands and before we open any negotiations with pix or accept any concessions: They mandatorily must PUBLICLY acknowledge our movement by specific reference or by specific name through one of their official channels (the ingame mail icon, or their official War Robots Facebook page, or their official War Robots site) They can call us something semi-general like the "the strike movement" or "unionized strike movement" or "United Warrobots Players strike" or whatever as long as they specifically acknowledge a name of the movement from an official channel. We must not allow them to respond to the strike by annoucing: "we've noticed that players have been dissatisfied"/"It has come to our attention that several pilots don't favor some of the changes we've made"/"We've been listening to your latest feedback". >NO CITING A GENERAL SOURCE OF MALCONTENT< Why is It so important for pix to specifically reference our group publicly? Because If all the players see that a specific group or movement within the game of players(players just like themselves who just decided to collectively join together) has provoked Pix to respond and act, all the players who are not participating will see that they are not powerless, that they CAN make a difference, they CAN affect Pix, that they DO HAVE a SAY-SO, and that they can make their voices HEARD. The biggest enemy to our movement is DOUBT. Doubt that we, anyone can, find/motivate/encourage enough players to act. So they don't act. Doubt killed It before we even had a chance to start. After seeing this kind of announcement, It will destroy and defeat that doubt in an instant. They will be empowered. They will add exponentially to our numbers, and from that moment on... We will have an irreversible PERMANENT INFLUENTIAL PRESENCE that can force pix to cater to our demands as the majority of the whole War Robots community. From that moment on, we will have that card to play, we will have that impossible to ignore tool to access for any time in the future pix tries to make a disasterous change to the game. It is essential that we donot waver on this precursory condition. And that we donot open negotiations until It is met. I don’t care if they respond to us (collectively) directly or not. I do care about the direction of the game, and some changes need to be made. Threats mean nothing without follow up action. I’m willing to stop playing, in spite of months of investing time and money (for possibly the best video game I’ve played in my life). Fortunately, my clan mates are willing to do the same, and I’ll respect whatever voted decision we make. My daughters play a game where you breed horses, Horse Haven. It’s looking better and better...
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 20:46:30 GMT -5
I don’t care if they respond to us (collectively) directly or not. I do care about the direction of the game, and some changes need to be made. Threats mean nothing without follow up action. I’m willing to stop playing, in spite of months of investing time and money (for possibly the best video game I’ve played in my life). Fortunately, my clan mates are willing to do the same, and I’ll respect whatever voted decision we make. My daughters play a game where you breed horses, Horse Haven. It’s looking better and better... "the best video game I've played in my life" Holy you've been deprived in your lifetime. In the end, you can only make lemonade with lemons. "Care" opens up a whole new dimension where lemonade can't cross into.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 21:01:10 GMT -5
"the best video game I've played in my life" Holy you've been deprived in your lifetime. In the end, you can only make lemonade with lemons. "Care" opens up a whole new dimension where lemonade can't cross into. Deprived, who isnâ??t? If you were active with PC games on bulletin boards (mid 80s), you might remember â??Tankâ?. That was my game, programmed in Basic and compiled to assembler. My dad and I worked on that for months until it was just right. Back in the day, I was able to play Scramble indefinitely, Astroids until hunger, thirst, pissing my pants (whichever came first) etc., 256th screen on Pac-Man ( ok , damn close)... While not original, War Robots takes the prize for PvP mech, but that too will change someday. Iâ??m highly doubtful Pix will ever get their ?dookie? together. And I havenâ??t played Asteroids in a long time either.
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Post by xalloxy on Sept 10, 2018 21:08:03 GMT -5
Deprived, who isnâ??t? If you were active with PC games on bulletin boards (mid 80s), you might remember â??Tankâ?Â. That was my game, programmed in Basic and compiled to assembler. My dad and I worked on that for months until it was just right. Back in the day, I was able to play Scramble indefinitely, Astroids until hunger, thirst, pissing my pants (whichever came first) etc., 256th screen on Pac-Man... While not original, War Robots takes the prize for PvP mech, but that too will change someday. Iâ??m highly doubtful Pix will ever get their ?dookie? together. And I havenâ??t played Asteroids in a long time either. All you guys are oldschool. seems like everyone I come across in War Robots universe has children and grandchildren. Would explain why pix spams us with all those 「gosh darn 」 disney ads. I wasn't even born in the 80s... You should check out MechAssault Lonewolf
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