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Post by garunixreborn on Jan 17, 2018 5:05:50 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game?
Here are my opinions:
1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump and
2) Kumiho - This robot looks really good on paper. It can dash every 5 seconds, making it the fastest ground bot in the game. However, it has one main problem. It trips alot. Almost everytime you dash on a slightly uneven surface, you end up with endlag like a griffin landing from a jump. This severely cripples its usefulness as it has no mobility for that split second.
3) Fujin - Ok this one is a bit of a stretch to some people, but quite a few think the fujin is a good way to counter DBs. Sure, it has a powerful shield and great firepower, but in the words of manni, It has to hide and make itself useless for 20 seconds to fully regenerate the shield. It also has less health than the haechi, leading to it being almost useless.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jan 17, 2018 5:08:59 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game? Here are my opinions: 1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump and 2) Kumiho - This robot looks really good on paper. It can dash every 5 seconds, making it the fastest ground bot in the game. However, it has one main problem. It trips alot. Almost everytime you dash on a slightly uneven surface, you end up with endlag like a griffin landing from a jump. This severely cripples its usefulness as it has no mobility for that split second. 3) Fujin - Ok this one is a bit of a stretch to some people, but quite a few think the fujin is a good way to counter DBs. Sure, it has a powerful shield and great firepower, but in the words of manni, It has to hide and make itself useless for 20 seconds to fully regenerate the shield. It also has less health than the haechi, leading to it being almost useless. Good kumiho pilots know maps inside out and backwards too. We don't trip, we glide  |
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Post by Radar love on Jan 17, 2018 5:10:44 GMT -5
Great topic. I am interested to see where it goes.
I would say a rhino. Is greatest attribute reduces it's firepower by 2/3. No good in a world of orkans.
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Post by Carbonite on Jan 17, 2018 5:14:48 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game? Here are my opinions: 1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump and 2) Kumiho - This robot looks really good on paper. It can dash every 5 seconds, making it the fastest ground bot in the game. However, it has one main problem. It trips alot. Almost everytime you dash on a slightly uneven surface, you end up with endlag like a griffin landing from a jump. This severely cripples its usefulness as it has no mobility for that split second. 3) Fujin - Ok this one is a bit of a stretch to some people, but quite a few think the fujin is a good way to counter DBs. Sure, it has a powerful shield and great firepower, but in the words of manni, It has to hide and make itself useless for 20 seconds to fully regenerate the shield. It also has less health than the haechi, leading to it being almost useless. Good kumiho pilots know maps inside out and backwards too. We don't trip, we glide I love Kumiho. I am getting pretty good at gliding off of ledges, but gliding over ground is a little more difficult. Occasionally it happens, but I am not in control at all. How do you time it? |
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Post by Carbonite on Jan 17, 2018 5:19:56 GMT -5
This is hard because a traditionally weaker bot in a good pilots hands is better than a stronger bot in a weak pilots hands. For me, I am underwhelmed by my Bulgasari. I have it equipped with Tarans but find it gets melted quickly. The shield is good one on one against certain weapons, but overall, my success has been limited. I like Kumiho’s mobility much better. I am waiting for one more Scourge and leveling Orkans to try some different loadouts on Bulg.
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Post by garunixreborn on Jan 17, 2018 5:23:20 GMT -5
Good kumiho pilots know maps inside out and backwards too. We don't trip, we glide I love Kumiho. I am getting pretty good at gliding off of ledges, but gliding over ground is a little more difficult. Occasionally it happens, but I am not in control at all. How do you time it? If you find the part of the ground that dips down, then line it up with the small grey bar holding the kumiho's top weapon and then dash straight forward |
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Post by Carbonite on Jan 17, 2018 5:26:55 GMT -5
I love Kumiho. I am getting pretty good at gliding off of ledges, but gliding over ground is a little more difficult. Occasionally it happens, but I am not in control at all. How do you time it? If you find the part of the ground that dips down, then line it up with the small grey bar holding the kumiho's top weapon and then dash straight forward I’ll try that, thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 5:27:23 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game? Here are my opinions: 1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump I don't agree at all. The Griffin is a robot that needs a decent amount of skill and experience to be appreciated. When I started playing this game, I thought that the Leo was much better and I really didn't understand why there were so many Griffins around...but when I started to play better, I also started to love its firepower and mobility. And guess what? Now I have 0 Leos in my hangar, but 2 or 3 Griffins in Champions League/Master 1. The Raijin is your favourite robot right now, although it's useless in higher leagues. You will change your mind with time and experience, as I changed mine about the Leo  I totally agree on the Fujin, while the Kumiho is a good bot. |
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Post by ironstar on Jan 17, 2018 5:29:24 GMT -5
This is hard because a traditionally weaker bot in a good pilots hands is better than a stronger bot in a weak pilots hands. For me, I am underwhelmed by my Bulgasari. I have it equipped with Tarans but find it gets melted quickly. The shield is good one on one against certain weapons, but overall, my success has been limited. I like Kumiho’s mobility much better. I am waiting for one more Scourge and leveling Orkans to try some different loadouts on Bulg. I too ran Taran Bulg when I first got it. While good it was not game changing per se. Would not call it overrated though, since it still delivered a lot of firepower while having good mobility. However after I got my 3rd Shocktrain it is a completely different story. Being able to maintain distance from Orks and Tarans while showing your shield to Zeus, Trebs etc all while keeping the Shocktrains blasting away every 10 seconds or so is amazing(ly OP). At times I score 1M+ with this bot alone. The only thing I fear is multiple RDBs since dash can't save you as much then. |
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Post by Gdu4ever on Jan 17, 2018 5:31:12 GMT -5
I'd say Griffin. Common advice for newbies is to get 3 Griffins (DB, PDB and RDB) but it doesn't suit everyone. It's a good training though.
Although I would say I'm a Fujin lover but to most people, it's definitely a weak bot.
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Post by Carbonite on Jan 17, 2018 5:41:18 GMT -5
This is hard because a traditionally weaker bot in a good pilots hands is better than a stronger bot in a weak pilots hands. For me, I am underwhelmed by my Bulgasari. I have it equipped with Tarans but find it gets melted quickly. The shield is good one on one against certain weapons, but overall, my success has been limited. I like Kumiho’s mobility much better. I am waiting for one more Scourge and leveling Orkans to try some different loadouts on Bulg. I too ran Taran Bulg when I first got it. While good it was not game changing per se. Would not call it overrated though, since it still delivered a lot of firepower while having good mobility. However after I got my 3rd Shocktrain it is a completely different story. Being able to maintain distance from Orks and Tarans while showing your shield to Zeus, Trebs etc all while keeping the Shocktrains blasting away every 10 seconds or so is amazing(ly OP). At times I score 1M+ with this bot alone. The only thing I fear is multiple RDBs since dash can't save you as much then. I only have one Shocktrain, another is not yet on the horizon. I almost have components for third Scourge so I am looking forward to that. |
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 17, 2018 5:52:58 GMT -5
The jump was one of the best abilities in the game before the dashbots. I used to run an all Griffin Hangar for quite some time, simply because no other bot offered this combination of firepower and mobility. Now, in higher leagues the Griffin is being phased out, but it remains the best silver bot out there. It requires a lot of practice though.
Regarding the question in OP, I don't see any overrated bots.
For me, an overrated bot is one that should be performing good and does not, while at the same time sees a lot of play. "Good" bots are played more and "bad" bots are played less and my matches mirror that.
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Post by garunixreborn on Jan 17, 2018 6:56:18 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game? Here are my opinions: 1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump I don't agree at all. The Griffin is a robot that needs a decent amount of skill and experience to be appreciated. When I started playing this game, I thought that the Leo was much better and I really didn't understand why there were so many Griffins around...but when I started to play better, I also started to love its firepower and mobility. And guess what? Now I have 0 Leos in my hangar, but 2 or 3 Griffins in Champions League/Master 1. The Raijin is your favourite robot right now, although it's useless in higher leagues. You will change your mind with time and experience, as I changed mine about the Leo I totally agree on the Fujin, while the Kumiho is a good bot. Well i don't know, i have used it from silver league all the way up to expert and it still did well (sometimes better than my rhino and ancilot) |
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 17, 2018 7:27:31 GMT -5
I don't agree at all. The Griffin is a robot that needs a decent amount of skill and experience to be appreciated. When I started playing this game, I thought that the Leo was much better and I really didn't understand why there were so many Griffins around...but when I started to play better, I also started to love its firepower and mobility. And guess what? Now I have 0 Leos in my hangar, but 2 or 3 Griffins in Champions League/Master 1. The Raijin is your favourite robot right now, although it's useless in higher leagues. You will change your mind with time and experience, as I changed mine about the Leo I totally agree on the Fujin, while the Kumiho is a good bot. Well i don't know, i have used it from silver league all the way up to expert and it still did well (sometimes better than my rhino and ancilot) I'm in Expert 1, facing Experts and Masters usually, my Raijin (Tempest/Trident hybrid) helps a lot in these fights. Considering the large amounts of Tarancilots I see almost in every fight, my Raijin fits in my hangar well at the moment. I just hope that the ST gets changed in a way that a physical shield prevents it's fire from bouncing to my team. And I like that it is underrated, lets me get more damage that way. For the most overrated bot I pick Fury. A lot of those situations nowadays when almost any bot could win the game, but pilots spawn with a Fury to play some tower defense instead of getting beacons. Yeah, you theoretically can get a lot damage out of it, but I'd better see them spawn, for example, with a RDB instead. 3 Furies per game is optimal, so if every teammate has one (or even two) of these in their hangar, it's not doing any good for the team. |
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jan 17, 2018 7:30:19 GMT -5
The most over rated bot in the game: Stalker
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 17, 2018 8:06:11 GMT -5
The most over rated bot in the game: Stalker Depends on the league perhaps? |
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Post by darkknight on Jan 17, 2018 8:39:40 GMT -5
The most over rated bot in the game: Stalker Heard from some vertans that when stalker was released it was quite op with mags. The reloading time of mags were less than 1 sec and stalker mags were beast and most of peeps wanted that bot to be removed like now most of peeps don’t want dash in the game. |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Jan 17, 2018 9:02:08 GMT -5
Im going to go with Haechi. Plant me in a light or medium and I'll make the sucker sing. Theres a sweet razors edge between desperately staying alive and playing your heart out in smaller faster mechs. I dont get that with the haechi. Theres little risk so you dont need to bring your A game. I'm feeling right at home with the kumi though.
Rating definitely depends on what league youre in. Bots that made you a god from silver to gold start to getting long in the tooth higher up. Two constants are firepower and mobility. Good pilots with honed awareness can negate the trade off and maximize what they have.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 17, 2018 9:09:21 GMT -5
Ok, I'll likely get hammered for this... The Bulgasari. Why? It's a dash bot and people automatically think highly of it. It's got a shield, so people automatically think it's durable. It's got 3 medium weapons, so people automatically think it's OP. Over rated right?
It's not a bad bot. Not by any stretch. I just think people rate it too highly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:27:36 GMT -5
Ok, I'll likely get hammered for this... The Bulgasari. Why? It's a dash bot and people automatically think highly of it. It's got a shield, so people automatically think it's durable. It's got 3 medium weapons, so people automatically think it's OP. Over rated right? It's not a bad bot. Not by any stretch. I just think people rate it too highly. Plasma bulgasari beats haechi (especially taran haechi), zeus, st, ancilot easily. Which is why I’m moving 2 ork haechis out of my primary hangar to make room for all 4 bulgasaris. Take from that what you will |
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Post by seanh on Jan 17, 2018 9:36:52 GMT -5
Ok, I'll likely get hammered for this... The Bulgasari. Why? It's a dash bot and people automatically think highly of it. It's got a shield, so people automatically think it's durable. It's got 3 medium weapons, so people automatically think it's OP. Over rated right? It's not a bad bot. Not by any stretch. I just think people rate it too highly. Plasma bulgasari beats haechi (especially taran haechi), zeus, st, ancilot easily. Which is why I’m moving 2 ork haechis out of my primary hangar to make room for all 4 bulgasaris. Take from that what you will Well I’m making a mental note to drop something with rockets next time I see you on red. ;-) |
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Post by Estoplast on Jan 17, 2018 9:38:21 GMT -5
I kinda agree on Bulgasari. Not actually easy to play it. If learned, i might change my opinion.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 17, 2018 9:51:17 GMT -5
Ok, I'll likely get hammered for this... The Bulgasari. Why? It's a dash bot and people automatically think highly of it. It's got a shield, so people automatically think it's durable. It's got 3 medium weapons, so people automatically think it's OP. Over rated right? It's not a bad bot. Not by any stretch. I just think people rate it too highly. Plasma bulgasari beats haechi (especially taran haechi), zeus, st, ancilot easily. Which is why I’m moving 2 ork haechis out of my primary hangar to make room for all 4 bulgasaris. Take from that what you will Im just gonna say this.. I have squadded with Nix and it doesnt take long to see why that guy sports over 1m average damage. If you truly want to get to champions league listen to what he has to say. I am champion and when I squad with him I feel like a student, the man is a total beast plain and simple. My best advice is to heed his, the man knows whats hes doing. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 17, 2018 9:54:35 GMT -5
I agree with Super Hero. its all about what your league is. In Diamond, the Rajin is viable. past that its a giant pile of silver. I think for Champions League it is the most "I just know its gonna be awesome" bot that leaves you flat on your face.
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Post by dash4win on Jan 17, 2018 10:05:10 GMT -5
So i have recently made a post on the most underrated bots in the game, but now i am asking about the opposite. What are your opinions on the most overrated bots in the game? Here are my opinions: 1) Griffin - Lower HP than all heavy bots and some medium bots, sluggish walking speed, unforgiving jump and 2) Kumiho - This robot looks really good on paper. It can dash every 5 seconds, making it the fastest ground bot in the game. However, it has one main problem. It trips alot. Almost everytime you dash on a slightly uneven surface, you end up with endlag like a griffin landing from a jump. This severely cripples its usefulness as it has no mobility for that split second. 3) Fujin - Ok this one is a bit of a stretch to some people, but quite a few think the fujin is a good way to counter DBs. Sure, it has a powerful shield and great firepower, but in the words of manni, It has to hide and make itself useless for 20 seconds to fully regenerate the shield. It also has less health than the haechi, leading to it being almost useless.Kumiho shouldn't be in this list in my opinion. if you can manage your dash you can be a nightmare for all RDB players because you can make them empty their clip just by faking your direction . switch at the last moment and watch all the rocket pass next to you. Shield management is the key to use a rhino and dash management is the key for the kumiho. Im still using my fujin with orkan ( im at 4200 Tr + )and just like the raijin these are situational bots. the fujin go down really fast because u need to be a sittin duck to use your shield and there is always a red with plasma in the back waiting for this opportunity to kill you ALWAYS. I think the most overrated bot is the Griffin because everybody love the griffin ( so am i )and a lot of people say this is the best bot because of his versatility ( brawler , mid range , bot support ) but to me the griffin is a squishy lol |
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Post by seanh on Jan 17, 2018 10:15:09 GMT -5
Doc,
There, I said it out loud.
Have one on my second account and I really really want it to be awesome, but it’s just not. Maybe it’s poor piloting but it’s my weakest bot and I do nothing with it that I can’t do better in a Griffin. Tulu’s might be the exception, but a zarnage is a better mid ranger anyway.
Thinking hard about shelving it.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 17, 2018 10:17:51 GMT -5
Doc, There, I said it out loud. Have one on my second account and I really really want it to be awesome, but it’s just not. Maybe it’s poor piloting but it’s my weakest bot and I do nothing with it that I can’t do better in a Griffin. Tulu’s might be the exception, but a zarnage is a better mid ranger anyway. Thinking hard about shelving it. So true. I have a level 10 Doc thats ive used like 3 times. Its just too squishy. Like you I so wanted it to be good but it just falls short time after time. I think there are hobos living in mine now its been up on blocks so long. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 17, 2018 10:21:11 GMT -5
Plasma bulgasari beats haechi (especially taran haechi), zeus, st, ancilot easily. Which is why I’m moving 2 ork haechis out of my primary hangar to make room for all 4 bulgasaris. Take from that what you will Im just gonna say this.. I have squadded with Nix and it doesnt take long to see why that guy sports over 1m average damage. If you truly want to get to champions league listen to what he has to say. I am champion and when I squad with him I feel like a student, the man is a total beast plain and simple. My best advice is to heed his, the man knows whats hes doing. Oh I totally get it... the topic of the thread was most over rated bot. Bulg is a great bot, but I think people (especially people who haven't piloted it yet) over rate it. When the dashes first came out, people were lumping it together with the Haechi as being OP and it really isn't. It's powerful for sure but in my mind, it's the most balanced of the 3 dash bots. I've made up my mind to commit my next component purchase towards another Bulg. It was a toss up between Haechi and Bulg, but the Bulg won because I have 1000 more components than the Haechi. I really just needed another bot with 3 medium hardpoints so that I can put my Storms back into play. It's SO hard adjusting my mindset when playing my ST Bulg... I keep wanting to rush in and pound the other guy, but you just can't do that with ST's. |
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Post by Carbonite on Jan 17, 2018 10:22:00 GMT -5
Ok, I'll likely get hammered for this... The Bulgasari. Why? It's a dash bot and people automatically think highly of it. It's got a shield, so people automatically think it's durable. It's got 3 medium weapons, so people automatically think it's OP. Over rated right? It's not a bad bot. Not by any stretch. I just think people rate it too highly. Plasma bulgasari beats haechi (especially taran haechi), zeus, st, ancilot easily. Which is why I’m moving 2 ork haechis out of my primary hangar to make room for all 4 bulgasaris. Take from that what you will Will all four by plasma? If not, what loadouts do you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 10:54:53 GMT -5
Doc, There, I said it out loud. Have one on my second account and I really really want it to be awesome, but it’s just not. Maybe it’s poor piloting but it’s my weakest bot and I do nothing with it that I can’t do better in a Griffin. Tulu’s might be the exception, but a zarnage is a better mid ranger anyway. Thinking hard about shelving it. So true. I have a level 10 Doc thats ive used like 3 times. Its just too squishy. Like you I so wanted it to be good but it just falls short time after time. I think there are hobos living in mine now its been up on blocks so long. My experience with the Doc is exactly the same as yours and seanh - I just cannot run the damn thing. But I gotta say that I've seen a few guys do really well with it - it's a different beast that requires a different way of playing. For me it's similar to Thunder Carnage - amazing in the right hands, but I never learned to use it well.
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