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Post by Poopface on Jan 18, 2018 7:16:17 GMT -5
You were playing him wrong. With all dashes and op weapons coming out, who even notices ?? It’s obvious by your description of how you piloted your DB Griffin. While you can do a “suicide” attack vs a Red, it’s a bad idea to do it very often. Most successful DB Griffins save their jump as a defensive measure, not for attack.
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Favorite robot: Griff
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Post by jester911 on Jan 18, 2018 12:44:49 GMT -5
When I first started playing this game I would have agreed the Griffin is overrated. After collecting and leveling up everything I could get my hands on and still stuck down in silver two I dusted off a couple Griffs and started learning how to pilot them better.
In a four bot hangar I rode three and sometimes four 10/10 Griffs all the way to diamond 1. I have two Stuka Griffs and still love playing them although at this level I am going to have to make some real adjustments to go further however I am starting to see enough MKII stuff where I don't really want to go any higher. I added a fifth bot to the hangar just last week so we will see.
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Post by thexiith on Jan 18, 2018 13:48:54 GMT -5
Griffin is hard to use at first. But its a shockingly flexible bot with many worthwhile builds which can do do much especially when you time its jump right. Ive seen rdb's and leadhoses use the jump effectively to literally get the first salvo on many things and generally win. My main groff at the moment uses molots so i. More of a mr-lr f9ghter. But its capable of doi g a lot in the right hands
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Post by krebby on Jan 18, 2018 14:33:59 GMT -5
This entire thread has me wondering about the reputation of bots in general. If, e.g., me, Z, the OPer, Thunderkiss, et al, all agree that the Kumiho is a good bot, what does it mean us to disagree that the Kumiho is overrated? I think the Kumiho is a great bot, but would rate it below the top tier bots: Haechi, Bulgasari, and Inquisitor. I'd rate it as an upgrade to the Rog, but as a second tier bot like the Lance and Griffin. By second tier I mean that they're good enough to compete at nearly any level, but for someone with unlimited resources and focused solely on winning, it would not win a hanger spot over a top tier bot. So with that in mind, here is what I think are the tiers: Top tier: - Haechi
- Bulgasari
- Inquisitor
Second tier (good enough to compete at top levels, but would be displaced by a top tier bot if available): - Kumiho
- Lancelot
- Fury
- Griffin
Third tier (decent bots, but dubious choices at top levels) - Hover
- Galahad
- Natasha
- Stalker
- Rhino
- Fujin
- Leo
- Golem
- Boa
- Doc
- Jesse
- Butch
- Raijin
- Rhino
- Carnage
- Patton
- Rogotka
- Garath
Fourth tier (dubious choices in general) - Vityaz
- Cossack
- Destrier
- Shutze
- Gepard
Note, I'm not saying you can't win at the top using something like a Carnage or a Boa, only that you're going to be at an objective disadvantage against top tier bots. Skillful piloting can mitigate that disadvantage (at least to some extent).
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Post by garunixreborn on Jan 18, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -5
Now this here is the problem! You say that it is good value for cost. But guess what. Does that scale up when facing more expensive bots? NO!! This is one of the many reasons the griffin is so highly overrated. Sure some people can use it pretty well, but come face to face with a bulgasari, haechi or pretty much any gold or component bot, you are pretty much dead. The griffin is outclassed in so many ways by even the hover bot. Now are you seeing why I hate the griffin so much? Keep in mind, I used to use a PDB, RDB and even DB and Stuka setup before it dropped it in gold league 1. My raijin does better, so I will stick with that How is that overrated? You are comparing a $5 bot to $300 bot. The Griffin is rated just fine, perhaps less than it should be. Just think about it. You can buy one just by playing a few games, and if you take the time to learn how to pilot it you can survive against or even overpower, bots that are vastly more expensive. Yes, it is outclassed, but so is every bot before the Dashbots and still, it is one of the very few that has a chance against them. A midrange fury will destroy a dash
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:14:06 GMT -5
How is that overrated? You are comparing a $5 bot to $300 bot. The Griffin is rated just fine, perhaps less than it should be. Just think about it. You can buy one just by playing a few games, and if you take the time to learn how to pilot it you can survive against or even overpower, bots that are vastly more expensive. Yes, it is outclassed, but so is every bot before the Dashbots and still, it is one of the very few that has a chance against them. A midrange fury will destroy a dash And a Treb Fury can destroy a midrange Fury..so what?
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Post by garunixreborn on Jan 18, 2018 17:41:32 GMT -5
A midrange fury will destroy a dash And a Treb Fury can destroy a midrange Fury..so what? The point is, any bot, no matter how powerful can be countered by something. So saying that nothing else can compete against the dash bots is a fallacy. Just because the griffin "has a chance" doesn't make it good. There are other bots (like the fury, inquisitor and hover) that can counter the dash bots. Does that make them better than the griffin? Mostly. They still have their counters too. The griffin's main problem is that it is countered by too many things. The jump is helpful, but once you land, you are extremely vulnerable. Just because it is a silver bot, it suddenly looks much stronger. If the raijin was a silver bot, people would be saying "A silver bot whose firepower can almost match that of a fury!? This bot is great!" But once you remove cost from the argument, the griffin seems to fall back. It's stats are depressing, having the lowest health of all the heavy bots, lower than even some mediums, and a slow walking speed. Only good things about it are the jump and firepower. Don't even ask how many griffins i kill using my raijin, fury, rhino, rog, lance and haechi (with underleveled tarans)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:57:52 GMT -5
And a Treb Fury can destroy a midrange Fury..so what? The point is, any bot, no matter how powerful can be countered by something. So saying that nothing else can compete against the dash bots is a fallacy. Just because the griffin "has a chance" doesn't make it good. There are other bots (like the fury, inquisitor and hover) that can counter the dash bots. Does that make them better than the griffin? Mostly. They still have their counters too. The griffin's main problem is that it is countered by too many things. The jump is helpful, but once you land, you are extremely vulnerable. Just because it is a silver bot, it suddenly looks much stronger. If the raijin was a silver bot, people would be saying "A silver bot whose firepower can almost match that of a fury!? This bot is great!" But once you remove cost from the argument, the griffin seems to fall back. It's stats are depressing, having the lowest health of all the heavy bots, lower than even some mediums, and a slow walking speed. Only good things about it are the jump and firepower. Don't even ask how many griffins i kill using my raijin, fury, rhino, rog, lance and haechi (with underleveled tarans) Dude, I don't want to be rude, but if the best players around used to run ONLY Lancelots and Griffins as brawlers there is a reason. If Champion League players are still using Griffins and don't use the Raijin, Fujin, Leo etc. there is a reason. If you don't have enough experience to understand why and you prefer other bots it's fine, but please don't say that they are wrong and you are right. Remember that when you kill a bot in a low League (like Silver, Gold or even Diamond) you are not killing a well piloted bot, because you are fighting against beginners. I really don't get why a lot of people with less experience on this forum never listen to more experienced players. I am not talking about me, of course, but there are a lot of experienced Champion League (and even Legend) players who are often unheeded. Just be fair: I didn't say that Dash bots cannot be countered, so don't reply at things I've never wrote.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 18:02:08 GMT -5
And a Treb Fury can destroy a midrange Fury..so what? The point is, any bot, no matter how powerful can be countered by something. So saying that nothing else can compete against the dash bots is a fallacy. Just because the griffin "has a chance" doesn't make it good. There are other bots (like the fury, inquisitor and hover) that can counter the dash bots. Does that make them better than the griffin? Mostly. They still have their counters too. The griffin's main problem is that it is countered by too many things. The jump is helpful, but once you land, you are extremely vulnerable. Just because it is a silver bot, it suddenly looks much stronger. If the raijin was a silver bot, people would be saying "A silver bot whose firepower can almost match that of a fury!? This bot is great!" But once you remove cost from the argument, the griffin seems to fall back. It's stats are depressing, having the lowest health of all the heavy bots, lower than even some mediums, and a slow walking speed. Only good things about it are the jump and firepower. Don't even ask how many griffins i kill using my raijin, fury, rhino, rog, lance and haechi (with underleveled tarans) This again. Oh well, I'll bite.
Griffin is one of the very few non dash/inquisitor bots that have any sort of place in top tier play today. No top pilot would choose a griff over a dash or inquisitor, sure, but the fact is that the griffin was a meta stable for close to a year. This is not something that we can have a discussion about quoting bot stats or possible weapon configurations or whatever - it is just something that you know when you have learned to play it well. Inversely to the Raijin - while it looks good on paper and, I'm sure, can give good results in lower tiers, once you try to play it in champion you will realize that it just doesn't perform.
The best griffin pilots that have ever been in this game - a good deal better than me, I'm not ashamed to admit - were absolutely awesome with griffins and could make them do stuff you wouldn't believe.
To address the intent of the original post in this, I can see why you think that it is overrated in the hands of the guys you play against - but (and this is an old argument on these boards) there are few bots that are so hard to play right (*cough* have a so high skill ceiling *cough*)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 20:28:50 GMT -5
Griffins are the wild card to me. It's amazing how few Experts know how to deal with them, even when I am outnumbered and they have Ancilots.
I don't usually keep 2 of them in since they do poorly against Kbots. But I fell a little more below the cut-off of 5000 league points, so decided to ride 2 DB Griffins. One is 11/12, the other is Aphid L10, Orkan L11. Let's just say, that DBs can really change the game against Experts (and below). It's the only bot that I have a chance when I'm outmanned. On Springfield, my entire team was on the other side of the map. All the reds spawn on my side, factory side. I'm in their base, just past the 2 bridges hiding behind that big, tall, dark building. I took all of them out, including an Ancilot. 1.3M
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Post by maverick on Jan 19, 2018 6:26:52 GMT -5
Of the bots I have used so far (still a noob so plenty I haven't) the Doc has probably been the biggest disappointment so far. Maybe if I ever level it up a bit? Having said that Manni (youtube) makes his work well mind you it has mk 2 lvl 12 punishers/orks.
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