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Post by carnage on Sept 28, 2017 7:42:31 GMT -5
And no, I'm not ironic. I know, people say the game is doomed, Pix is evil, and will want to throw their I-Pad in my face to defend them here.
But now, let's sit down, take a breath, and think for a second.
Let's suppose you have two kind of lotteries.
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
I am not saying everything is perfect. Yes, prices are kinda crazy. Yes, in some ways it is a bit low because Pix made sure the gold you tried so hard to save will not get you new bots, and everybody starts from scratch regarding new bots. But no, the change of philosophy in the BM is not necessarily a bad thing, and I would argue that statistically speaking, the new system is actually much more fair than the previous.
Not everything is black or white guys. Not everything is bad in what Pix is trying to do and we also need to try staying fair when discussing the changes that they are implementing.
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Post by DBCooper on Sept 28, 2017 7:47:07 GMT -5
I agree in principle. I wonder if 1/1400th at a time is the right increment though. I do agree it'll be better than nothing over time.
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Post by Trogon on Sept 28, 2017 7:55:54 GMT -5
Not everything is black or white guys. Not everything is bad in what Pix is trying to do and we also need to try staying fair when discussing the changes that they are implementing. The changes they are implementing are to drastically increase the costs of each new bot/weapon they release, making it increasingly difficult to obtain them without spending large amounts of RM. The motivations of Pix/mail.ru are clear - move War Robots to a PTW game. Sorry, there is nothing "balanced" or "good" about this change.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Sept 28, 2017 7:58:32 GMT -5
I definitely agree with the OP. I strongly believe that chances to obtain components have been taken from chances for keys. I definitely favor getting components rather than (less) keys when spinning the wheel. It is at least something you get rather than just loosing.
Second, they now have given what has been asked for - prices for bots. However high the prices are, there now is a fixed price for the kbots.
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Post by Amleth on Sept 28, 2017 8:11:11 GMT -5
My concern is whether the amount of components you already have for a particular bot affects the drop rate/s of further components in any way? They could easily do a "virtual" version of the McD's Monopoly scam just by giving you components less often or in smaller amounts as you get closer to the needed 10K, and you'd have no way of knowing, or conclusively proving even if you suspected. And this dragging as you get close would certainly motivate ususpecting customers to just buy the last 10-30% of components they need... Pix has shown themselves not above this sort of deliberately misleading oiliness already with the deceptive superchest bar progress, etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if the component system isn't totally above board either...
Personally, I suspect this change is much more for Pixonic's benefit than the players, and I wonder what hidden behaviours might lurk under the hood...
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Post by seanh on Sept 28, 2017 8:19:40 GMT -5
And no, I'm not ironic. I know, people say the game is doomed, Pix is evil, and will want to throw their I-Pad in my face to defend them here.
But now, let's sit down, take a breath, and think for a second.
Let's suppose you have two kind of lotteries.
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
I am not saying everything is perfect. Yes, prices are kinda crazy. Yes, in some ways it is a bit low because Pix made sure the gold you tried so hard to save will not get you new bots, and everybody starts from scratch regarding new bots. But no, the change of philosophy in the BM is not necessarily a bad thing, and I would argue that statistically speaking, the new system is actually much more fair than the previous.
Not everything is black or white guys. Not everything is bad in what Pix is trying to do and we also need to try staying fair when discussing the changes that they are implementing. Get what you are saying, but don’t agree. Firstly if a case of A draw for any one of 4 possible cars 3 motors bikes (bots and weps)
Case be is draw for one tenth of one of the 4 possible cars / bikes. In a A you win a whole prise straight off. In B even when you have 100% you probably have 30% of a ford, 20% of a Toyota etc etc. I am not numerologist (not even sure if that a real thing) but I think your odd here of getting an actual prise are less.
But that is not the main issue. Odds of winning not withstanding comparing the old system to the new system is comparing one fundamentally unfair system to another. The premise for the BM in the first place was as an introduction mechanism to manage in game impact (clearly no so stealthy cash grab). But while it was being put forward as the introductory system, with a clear message of ‘don’t worry something better is coming for the patient amongst you’. So many, myself included, said calm down, lets give it a few weeks see what the distribution model and the pricing will be like. So regardless of BM, what we now see as the model and the final pricing, and in my opinion people are right to be upset. The thing I don’t know and probably they only thing which would change my mind is some figures on how many keys / spin one would need to grind to be more likely than not to have a dash. I have a feeling that number is well beyond grindable and would cost a large chunt of RM. If I thought 6 months grind would get you a Toyota, I might think that’s ok, but I have a feeling that is a multiple of that.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Sept 28, 2017 9:05:25 GMT -5
My concern is whether the amount of components you already have for a particular bot affects the drop rate/s of further components in any way? They could easily do a "virtual" version of the McD's Monopoly scam just by giving you components less often or in smaller amounts as you get closer to the needed 10K, and you'd have no way of knowing, or conclusively proving even if you suspected. And this dragging as you get close would certainly motivate ususpecting customers to just buy the last 10-30% of components they need... Pix has shown themselves not above this sort of deliberately misleading oiliness already with the deceptive superchest bar progress, etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if the component system isn't totally above board either... Personally, I suspect this change is much more for Pixonic's benefit than the players, and I wonder what hidden behaviours might lurk under the hood... Great point and intelligently posited.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 9:24:11 GMT -5
And no, I'm not ironic. I know, people say the game is doomed, Pix is evil, and will want to throw their I-Pad in my face to defend them here.
But now, let's sit down, take a breath, and think for a second.
Let's suppose you have two kind of lotteries.
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
I am not saying everything is perfect. Yes, prices are kinda crazy. Yes, in some ways it is a bit low because Pix made sure the gold you tried so hard to save will not get you new bots, and everybody starts from scratch regarding new bots. But no, the change of philosophy in the BM is not necessarily a bad thing, and I would argue that statistically speaking, the new system is actually much more fair than the previous.
Not everything is black or white guys. Not everything is bad in what Pix is trying to do and we also need to try staying fair when discussing the changes that they are implementing. Are you aware you can't get dash components from bronze and silver chests?
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Post by wildboar on Sept 28, 2017 9:28:23 GMT -5
I am off to a flying start with components ... 10 keys won me 5 components for a Bulgasari ... only 9995 to go
what a load of old 「go solo」 ...
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Post by elcheapo on Sept 28, 2017 9:32:35 GMT -5
The point of components to keep the gambling monster alive and the closer you get to completing the robots of your dreams , the more that monster will gnaw at you till you surrender and give real moonie .
Winning bots or getting no bot is an absolute concept that offers no motivation for The monster. Components of ten bots in your collection still means you have no bots but you will feel like you have something . 99 percent of components of one bot still means you have no bot but you will feel like a real winner
A loser that feels that he is a loser is bad for business , bot parts help to give the loser peace of mind and keep playing the slot machine. A winner has zero motive to keep at the slot machine if he scored the robot of his dreams . Bot parts can help temper this euphoria and keep him at the slot machine
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Post by carnage on Sept 28, 2017 9:39:14 GMT -5
And no, I'm not ironic. I know, people say the game is doomed, Pix is evil, and will want to throw their I-Pad in my face to defend them here.
But now, let's sit down, take a breath, and think for a second.
Let's suppose you have two kind of lotteries.
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
I am not saying everything is perfect. Yes, prices are kinda crazy. Yes, in some ways it is a bit low because Pix made sure the gold you tried so hard to save will not get you new bots, and everybody starts from scratch regarding new bots. But no, the change of philosophy in the BM is not necessarily a bad thing, and I would argue that statistically speaking, the new system is actually much more fair than the previous.
Not everything is black or white guys. Not everything is bad in what Pix is trying to do and we also need to try staying fair when discussing the changes that they are implementing. Are you aware you can't get dash components from bronze and silver chests? I may be wrong but from what I know, you can get components everywhere. You just have bigger amounts of components in bigger chests.
Just to be clear (and I am answering for some other persons above), what I am saying is that I very much prefer to get 50% chance to get 2% of a robot, than 1% chance to get a full robot. People can say what they want but statistically speaking, it's actually a much more fair system overall as it will spread resources much more evenly between players.
What I am not saying on the other hand is that the BM is a the perfect idea which is perfect and ideal for players, or that I fully endorse Pix methods. It's important to see the difference I think.
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Post by wildboar on Sept 28, 2017 9:46:39 GMT -5
yes but I got .05% of a bot ...
there are a lot of bots/wep being pimped in this way ...so next time I might get .05% of a scourge ... then .05% of a inquisitor ... it will take years to get anything ... I am one of those people flagged for zero luck
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Post by inspirace on Sept 28, 2017 9:58:07 GMT -5
I am off to a flying start with components ... 10 keys won me 5 components for a Bulgasari ... only 9995 to go what a load of old 「go solo」 ... as long as the âcomponentsâ have an expiration date like BM keys. ... wait, they donât have, right?
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Post by ezekielcrow on Sept 28, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -5
I won scourge components from a bronze chest! Lets see if I roll only scourge components, it should take only oh...4499 more games for me to get a set of three for my fujin!
The new mechanics make sense. The old greed does not.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 28, 2017 10:17:31 GMT -5
My concern is this...
I was content in knowing I'll probably never win a dash or even an Au bot from chests but I was happy to save my keys, let the pixies open the chests when BM resets and take my free Au. I was happy with that.
Now... instead of Au in most of my chests I'm gonna end up getting a whole bunch of "?firetruck?-that-?poo-poo?" instead of my Au.
I grind. I grind for Ag, Au, keys, etc. and I play maybe upwards of 30,40 games A DAY.
EVEN AT THAT MANY GAMES.. played.. everyday. And ALLLLLLLLLLLLL the keys won and chests spun.... if ANYONE thinks there is a snowballs chance in HELL of getting enough components for a Dash or any new bot, they need a shrink so the can figure why they keep lying to themselves.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 10:43:14 GMT -5
Are you aware you can't get dash components from bronze and silver chests? I may be wrong but from what I know, you can get components everywhere. You just have bigger amounts of components in bigger chests.
Just to be clear (and I am answering for some other persons above), what I am saying is that I very much prefer to get 50% chance to get 2% of a robot, than 1% chance to get a full robot. People can say what they want but statistically speaking, it's actually a much more fair system overall as it will spread resources much more evenly between players.
What I am not saying on the other hand is that the BM is a the perfect idea which is perfect and ideal for players, or that I fully endorse Pix methods. It's important to see the difference I think. Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't.
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Post by carnage on Sept 28, 2017 10:58:49 GMT -5
I may be wrong but from what I know, you can get components everywhere. You just have bigger amounts of components in bigger chests.
Just to be clear (and I am answering for some other persons above), what I am saying is that I very much prefer to get 50% chance to get 2% of a robot, than 1% chance to get a full robot. People can say what they want but statistically speaking, it's actually a much more fair system overall as it will spread resources much more evenly between players.
What I am not saying on the other hand is that the BM is a the perfect idea which is perfect and ideal for players, or that I fully endorse Pix methods. It's important to see the difference I think. Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't. I agree it would suck, but I'll wait and see on that front. Some players already mentioned to have won a few dash components from bronze chests, may have been a joke or a misunderstanding, but let's see what will really happen here. But I digress that it changes much too my main point, though. Simply put, a component system allows to give resources much more evenly between players that the previous system. People only want to see negative around here but the bottom line is that the previous system was the definition of unfairness. This one at least will be some sort of improvement on that front.
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 11:00:33 GMT -5
... the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get.... So this?
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 11:03:04 GMT -5
I may be wrong but from what I know, you can get components everywhere. You just have bigger amounts of components in bigger chests.
Just to be clear (and I am answering for some other persons above), what I am saying is that I very much prefer to get 50% chance to get 2% of a robot, than 1% chance to get a full robot. People can say what they want but statistically speaking, it's actually a much more fair system overall as it will spread resources much more evenly between players.
What I am not saying on the other hand is that the BM is a the perfect idea which is perfect and ideal for players, or that I fully endorse Pix methods. It's important to see the difference I think. Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't. This is the chart: wwrpixonic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005155165Components are right there in bronze chests...
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Post by Kanshou on Sept 28, 2017 11:15:45 GMT -5
I may be wrong but from what I know, you can get components everywhere. You just have bigger amounts of components in bigger chests.
Just to be clear (and I am answering for some other persons above), what I am saying is that I very much prefer to get 50% chance to get 2% of a robot, than 1% chance to get a full robot. People can say what they want but statistically speaking, it's actually a much more fair system overall as it will spread resources much more evenly between players.
What I am not saying on the other hand is that the BM is a the perfect idea which is perfect and ideal for players, or that I fully endorse Pix methods. It's important to see the difference I think. Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't. Have you even opened a single bronze or silver chest before you posted here? I opened both and got components. Before you make assumptions, I suggest you make sure what you claim is to be true before you tell off others.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 11:20:48 GMT -5
Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't. Have you even opened a single bronze or silver chest before you posted here? I opened both and got components. Before you make assumptions, I suggest you make sure what you claim is to be true before you tell off others. Dash components? I'm not making assumptions. It's from the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 11:21:19 GMT -5
OP: It doesn’t really work the way you say.
System 1: 1 in 10 F2P players will have a dash bot after a month System 2: every F2P player will have a dash bot after 10 months. Hardly any will significantly sooner.
Do you believe the dash bots will still be meta for another 10 months?
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 11:23:36 GMT -5
Pls check out the thread on drop rates. It is impossible to get dash components from bronze and silver chests. Check Pixonic's table found in that thread. Your entire argument is moot because you assume you can accumulate components from these chests without paying and eventually get the bot. You can't. This is the chart: wwrpixonic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005155165Components are right there in bronze chests... Pls check the table for bronze chests. You cannot get rare and epic components. For silver chests, there are no epic components.
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Post by Cjax on Sept 28, 2017 11:29:30 GMT -5
I got bulgasari components from bronze. Only 5 but still...
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 11:33:46 GMT -5
Pls check the table for bronze chests. You cannot get rare and epic components. For silver chests, there are no epic components. Does this mean I can get epic gold and epic silver? Components are a currency, the "epic" and "rare" impact quantity. You will never get a LOT of them out of a bronze chest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 11:37:46 GMT -5
I got 400 parts (4%) of a tempest with 3 silver rolls that I saved by playing for past 3 days. Either I can sell it for 160k silver or keep earning it to get one. I can also augment some of it by dropping cash. Hence I agree that this new mechanism is a step in the right direction. However, it it is a bit stingy at the moment, lol. For weapons, 5000 parts would have been better, as I need 3 of these bad boys for my Fury.
Every component I earn basically is either free silver or reduction in my net spending to earn the bot/weapon.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 11:46:57 GMT -5
Pls check the table for bronze chests. You cannot get rare and epic components. For silver chests, there are no epic components. Does this mean I can get epic gold and epic silver? Components are a currency, the "epic" and "rare" impact quantity. You will never get a LOT of them out of a bronze chest. Ok, my mistake. I thought epic referred to the dash bots.
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Post by hyderier on Sept 28, 2017 11:53:38 GMT -5
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
Um, it's not quite like that. Case B can be such, that you never get the full car. In Case A you at least have a chance to get really lucky. In Case B, odds can be such, that you are virtually certain to never get 10000 of the particular bot currency. In that case, winning the bot currencies is actually bad, because you can never really use them (unless you pay money, in which case it saves you trivial amount of RM, whoopie doo). In the previous BM system, you could at least wait until end of them BM "event" and be pretty much guaranteed some Ag and Au. In the new system, you might get a bit of bot currencies, with very low chance of ever benefitting from them. I mean, seriously. This is not going to make winning Dash bots easier for free players. It just makes it possible for the whales to just buy the Dashes, instead of the whole BM spinning phase. This is not good for the free players, unless it is really possible to win meaningful amounts of the new bot currencies from Bronze and Silver chests. I mean, there are now 6 new currency bars to fill to 10000. If they are filled evenly in small increments, player needs to win close to 60000 of the new currencies, before first one reaches that 10000 milestone. How many do you recon a player can expect to win with 200 BM keys per BM "event"?
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 12:00:41 GMT -5
Case A -> Ten tickets. One ticket give you a car, the other nine give you nothing.
If you're not lucky, you'll never get anything. Some others will be more lucky than you, and in the end, it's really pure luck to decide who will get cars. Some guy may not necessarily deserve the car, but will get it, some others would deserve something, but will not get it. Hardly fair isn't it. Well that was exactly the first version of the BM. Now let's imagine a different system of BM.
Case B -> Ten tickets. None of them give you a full car. Half of those tickets give you nothing, the other half give you a "part" of a car, that you will be able to change into a full car once you get five of them.
In theory, odds are close. You may get a car once every ten spins. But there is a big difference between both systems: the second way of managing odds is actually much more fair than the first. Yes, you may never get a car in one spin, but you know that eventually, you will get there. The odds are much more balanced between players, which means over time, fairness is much more balanced also.
See where I'm going ? Do you prefer Case A or Case B ? I certainly prefer Case B and that is exactly the change Pix is implementing. No, it's not a system where you need specific cards (like head, legs, arms, and the head is impossible to get) to get the robot. That would be indeed a sneaky tactic but AFAIK, there is no such thing here, only components that you just cumulate to get the robot. You know that it's just a matter of time until you get the robot, yes it could be long, but is it that different than grinding gold to buy a Lance or a Fury ? I would argue it is actually a very similar principle, just instead of accumulating gold, you will accumulate components.
Um, it's not quite like that. Case B can be such, that you never get the full car. In Case A you at least have a chance to get really lucky. In Case B, odds can be such, that you are virtually certain to never get 10000 of the particular bot currency. In that case, winning the bot currencies is actually bad, because you can never really use them (unless you pay money, in which case it saves you trivial amount of RM, whoopie doo). In the previous BM system, you could at least wait until end of them BM "event" and be pretty much guaranteed some Ag and Au. In the new system, you might get a bit of bot currencies, with very low chance of ever benefitting from them. I mean, seriously. This is not going to make winning Dash bots easier for free players. It just makes it possible for the whales to just buy the Dashes, instead of the whole BM spinning phase. This is not good for the free players, unless it is really possible to win meaningful amounts of the new bot currencies from Bronze and Silver chests. I mean, there are now 6 new currency bars to fill to 10000. If they are filled evenly in small increments, player needs to win close to 60000 of the new currencies, before first one reaches that 10000 milestone. How many do you recon a player can expect to win with 200 BM keys per BM "event"? Case B gives you hope. And for some, that's better than nothing.
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Post by hyderier on Sept 28, 2017 12:03:44 GMT -5
Um, it's not quite like that. Case B can be such, that you never get the full car. In Case A you at least have a chance to get really lucky. In Case B, odds can be such, that you are virtually certain to never get 10000 of the particular bot currency. In that case, winning the bot currencies is actually bad, because you can never really use them (unless you pay money, in which case it saves you trivial amount of RM, whoopie doo). In the previous BM system, you could at least wait until end of them BM "event" and be pretty much guaranteed some Ag and Au. In the new system, you might get a bit of bot currencies, with very low chance of ever benefitting from them. I mean, seriously. This is not going to make winning Dash bots easier for free players. It just makes it possible for the whales to just buy the Dashes, instead of the whole BM spinning phase. This is not good for the free players, unless it is really possible to win meaningful amounts of the new bot currencies from Bronze and Silver chests. I mean, there are now 6 new currency bars to fill to 10000. If they are filled evenly in small increments, player needs to win close to 60000 of the new currencies, before first one reaches that 10000 milestone. How many do you recon a player can expect to win with 200 BM keys per BM "event"? Case B gives you hope. And for some, that's better than nothing. I'll see about that when the next BM season ends, and I see how many "bot currencies" I win from the autospins... I currently have very little hope that it will be an amount which gives me any chance of ever getting a Dash.
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