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Post by islandmojo671 on Sept 28, 2017 12:08:09 GMT -5
Pls check the table for bronze chests. You cannot get rare and epic components. For silver chests, there are no epic components. i spun a bronze chest it gave me 4 components for a inquisitor.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 12:12:17 GMT -5
Case B gives you hope. And for some, that's better than nothing. I'll see about that when the next BM season ends, and I see how many "bot currencies" I win from the autospins... I currently have very little hope that it will be an amount which gives me any chance of ever getting a Dash. Do you think that's wise? Autospins seem to give pretty much gold and silver only.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 28, 2017 12:12:58 GMT -5
what a load of old 「go solo」 ... I've never heard that comment, but I highly approve. And........man.........what imagery!
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Post by hyderier on Sept 28, 2017 12:18:40 GMT -5
I'll see about that when the next BM season ends, and I see how many "bot currencies" I win from the autospins... I currently have very little hope that it will be an amount which gives me any chance of ever getting a Dash. Do you think that's wise? Autospins seem to give pretty much gold and silver only. I have a hypothesis, that in autospins, more keys just get converted to Au. They might get converted to components at the end of current BM "event" instead. Which would be a shame, as getting a few hundred components spread over all the different bot types would be just a slap on the face. At least Au can be used for.... Getting paint jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 12:34:54 GMT -5
There is no way to obtain components in any controlled manner outside of RM.
There is no way to use components outside of their designated item except a trivial amount of ag.
It's just a tutu on a bear. It changes nothing.
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Post by onsolot on Sept 28, 2017 12:36:18 GMT -5
It's not good at all cause you will never get any of the bots ever .. Let's say you got components for 1 bot , then what is the guarantee that you will get components for same bots repeatedly . and don't forget they haven't removed the (less ) keys from the spin . And they also give you silver like you can never earn that amount in a battle ever . and for gold the chance of getting a bigger gold amount will always stay low and now with new additions to the spin the chance of getting good bots like lance fury or high gold have reduced even more .. So a little +point doesn't make it too good. And I'd love to see how you buy a 10000 components worth robot when you are getting just 4 components out of hard earned keys. Even if you get 5 keys per battle that makes it about 15 minute per bronze chest . And for that you need to be always on top .
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Post by carnage on Sept 28, 2017 12:37:54 GMT -5
There is no way to obtain components in any controlled manner outside of RM. There is no way to use components outside of their designated item except a trivial amount of ag. It's just a tutu on a bear. It changes nothing. If spreading resources much more evenly between players is not important for you then sure, it changes nothing at all.
But for me it changes a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 12:49:07 GMT -5
There is no way to obtain components in any controlled manner outside of RM. There is no way to use components outside of their designated item except a trivial amount of ag. It's just a tutu on a bear. It changes nothing. If spreading resources much more evenly between players is not important for you then sure, it changes nothing at all.
But for me it changes a lot.
Think of it this way. You save up 13k wsp -You can buy a Carnage/Fujin -You can buy two Tarans/Hydras You save up 5k Au -You can buy 4 orkans/Gareths/Geps -you can buy 3 Zeus/Ancile -you can buy 2 Rogs/galahads -you can buy Fury/Lancelot You spin the BM and get 10k Components in two months (and it's likely you'll be lucky to have 1/5th of that number without RM) -1k is on scourge -1k is on Bulgasari -2k is on Tempest -2k is on Inquisitor -2k is on Kumiho -2k is on Ember From an OBJECTIVE standpoint, this changes NOTHING. Also, it's $300 usd per bot, $100 Usd per weapon. So, for the price of 2 bots and 2 weapons, I could buy a used car with insurance and fuel for a month, or throw a dank 「bum-bum」 party. Or I can grind for a year and not get a single item. No, there is nothing good about this.
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Post by carnage on Sept 28, 2017 13:11:32 GMT -5
If spreading resources much more evenly between players is not important for you then sure, it changes nothing at all.
But for me it changes a lot.
Think of it this way. You save up 13k wsp -You can buy a Carnage/Fujin -You can buy two Tarans/Hydras You save up 5k Au -You can buy 4 orkans/Gareths/Geps -you can buy 3 Zeus/Ancile -you can buy 2 Rogs/galahads -you can buy Fury/Lancelot You spin the BM and get 10k Components in two months (and it's likely you'll be lucky to have 1/5th of that number without RM) -1k is on scourge -1k is on Bulgasari -2k is on Tempest -2k is on Inquisitor -2k is on Kumiho -2k is on Ember From an OBJECTIVE standpoint, this changes NOTHING. That I can agree with.
I am only comparing the new version of the BM versus the old one. Honestly, it was totally unfair to see some guys getting nothing, while some others would win a Dash out of nowhere. I mean, good for them, but I definitely prefer things to be spread more evenly. It's a long grind sure, but it's a long grind for everyone at least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 13:15:54 GMT -5
Think of it this way. You save up 13k wsp -You can buy a Carnage/Fujin -You can buy two Tarans/Hydras You save up 5k Au -You can buy 4 orkans/Gareths/Geps -you can buy 3 Zeus/Ancile -you can buy 2 Rogs/galahads -you can buy Fury/Lancelot You spin the BM and get 10k Components in two months (and it's likely you'll be lucky to have 1/5th of that number without RM) -1k is on scourge -1k is on Bulgasari -2k is on Tempest -2k is on Inquisitor -2k is on Kumiho -2k is on Ember From an OBJECTIVE standpoint, this changes NOTHING. That I can agree with.
I am only comparing the new version of the BM versus the old one. Honestly, it was totally unfair to see some guys getting nothing, while some others would win a Dash out of nowhere. I mean, good for them, but I definitely prefer things to be spread more evenly. It's a long grind sure, but it's a long grind for everyone at least. You're still getting a pile of crap, now it's just in the center of an economy sized bundle of nesting dolls. Its not a long grind for the people that are going to spend that money. Just like the people that spent hundreds to thousands to get the dash squads to 12/12 on release day. You will quit this game before you win an item from components without spending a good deal of money. Even if you do magically get close to completeing something, it'll be right on time for 3-6 new items to pop up, and spread your progress out even more.
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Post by llama4president on Sept 28, 2017 13:29:55 GMT -5
That I can agree with.
I am only comparing the new version of the BM versus the old one. Honestly, it was totally unfair to see some guys getting nothing, while some others would win a Dash out of nowhere. I mean, good for them, but I definitely prefer things to be spread more evenly. It's a long grind sure, but it's a long grind for everyone at least. You're still getting a pile of crap, now it's just in the center of an economy sized bundle of nesting dolls. Its not a long grind for the people that are going to spend that money. Just like the people that spent hundreds to thousands to get the dash squads to 12/12 on release day. You will quit this game before you win an item from components without spending a good deal of money. Even if you do magically get close to completeing something, it'll be right on time for 3-6 new items to pop up, and spread your progress out even more. The problem is the inflation of what value the have placed on their new content. 300$ for a bot reminds me a lot of Star Citizen's model. They saw that people are enough gullible to pay that much, and will abuse without ethics of any sort.
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Post by Nexsan on Sept 28, 2017 13:35:56 GMT -5
The problem with components is that you can't choose where your components go. Say I won 1000 components, and could invest them into any one robot or weapon; the Inquisitor for instance. That would be doable, with time, but the fact that the components you win are automatically allocated towards one of six different bots/weapons just seems a tad ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 13:36:18 GMT -5
You're still getting a pile of crap, now it's just in the center of an economy sized bundle of nesting dolls. Its not a long grind for the people that are going to spend that money. Just like the people that spent hundreds to thousands to get the dash squads to 12/12 on release day. You will quit this game before you win an item from components without spending a good deal of money. Even if you do magically get close to completeing something, it'll be right on time for 3-6 new items to pop up, and spread your progress out even more. The problem is the inflation of what value the have placed on their new content. 300$ for a bot reminds me a lot of Star Citizen's model. They saw that people are enough gullible to pay that much, and will abuse without ethics of any sort. Yep, and people are already spotting Inquisitors. Between custom matches (Champs anf clan battles) , leavers Queue, tankers, all of the 1 stars popping up in droves on G-play, the MM points bug, and the already hostile environment in lower leagues, I'm expecting the degeneration of android pubs if nothing changes.
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Post by Kanshou on Sept 28, 2017 14:33:14 GMT -5
Have you even opened a single bronze or silver chest before you posted here? I opened both and got components. Before you make assumptions, I suggest you make sure what you claim is to be true before you tell off others. Dash components? I'm not making assumptions. It's from the thread. Yes, dash components. Go spin some chests, you'll get them too.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 14:45:11 GMT -5
Man, I thought I was being negative but you guys are really getting me down. Hahaha!! Oh well, a really good game being destroyed by greed - and made possible by whales. How tragic.
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 15:14:19 GMT -5
Case B gives you hope. And for some, that's better than nothing. I'll see about that when the next BM season ends, and I see how many "bot currencies" I win from the autospins... I currently have very little hope that it will be an amount which gives me any chance of ever getting a Dash. Lets do the math: you have a ~20% chance of getting a component on a bronze spin so 1 in 5. You have a 1 in 7 chance of getting a component for the bot you want/need You need 10k components to make a bot. Lets say you can average 20 components per spin (probably high but were low elsewhere and it keeps the math easy). That means you need 500 bronze chest wins for that component You would need to open, 500 * 7 * 5 to get one bot... 17500 bronze chests opened. If you average 2 keys per game, and play 20 games a day it will take you 437 days to grind a bot. 40 games a day is 237 days. This math is probably very wrong, happy to have someone correct it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 15:26:49 GMT -5
I'll see about that when the next BM season ends, and I see how many "bot currencies" I win from the autospins... I currently have very little hope that it will be an amount which gives me any chance of ever getting a Dash. Lets do the math: you have a ~20% chance of getting a component on a bronze spin so 1 in 5. You have a 1 in 7 chance of getting a component for the bot you want/need You need 10k components to make a bot. Lets say you can average 20 components per spin (probably high but were low elsewhere and it keeps the math easy). That means you need 500 bronze chest wins for that component You would need to open, 500 * 7 * 5 to get one bot... 17500 bronze chests opened. If you average 2 keys per game, and play 20 games a day it will take you 437 days to grind a bot. 40 games a day is 237 days. This math is probably very wrong, happy to have someone correct it. There are no maximum values to the components you obtain for each item. Therefore it is an incalculable unknown without the exact RNG tables Mail.ru is using. You could theoretically win 100k components for the items you don't want before completing a single 10k batch for an item you do want. With the wholesale prices posted, we can hypothesize with certainty that the lucky spins are going to cost decent chunks of Au to obtain all of the prizes on the table it will generate.
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 15:34:45 GMT -5
Lets do the math: you have a ~20% chance of getting a component on a bronze spin so 1 in 5. You have a 1 in 7 chance of getting a component for the bot you want/need You need 10k components to make a bot. Lets say you can average 20 components per spin (probably high but were low elsewhere and it keeps the math easy). That means you need 500 bronze chest wins for that component You would need to open, 500 * 7 * 5 to get one bot... 17500 bronze chests opened. If you average 2 keys per game, and play 20 games a day it will take you 437 days to grind a bot. 40 games a day is 237 days. This math is probably very wrong, happy to have someone correct it. There are no maximum values to the components you obtain for each item. Therefore it is an incalculable unknown without the exact RNG tables Mail.ru is using. You could theoretically win 100k components for the items you don't want before completing a single 10k batch for an item you do want. With the wholesale prices posted, we can hypothesize with certainty that the lucky spins are going to cost decent chunks of Au to obtain all of the prizes on the table it will generate. Right... the numbers we do know and volume of spins means that you will probably get SOMETHING sooner and something much later --- if you have nothing right now your in a good place to get something, but to your point if there is one thing you need... good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 15:51:03 GMT -5
This whole thing makes me think of communism in USSR. Spread the food (components) out to everyone equally, so we're all equally starving (for dash bots)
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Post by expletivedeleted on Sept 28, 2017 15:51:28 GMT -5
One of the greats ironies of the internet age is that the same people who believe in destiny, higher powers and divine intervention in the real world somehow fool themselves into believing that there is such a thing as chance, luck or self determination in the online world. Chest spins are NOT random! - Why would they be? There is no regulation that would require them to be. Do you really believe that the Pixiegod would make it fair and random just out of the goodness of their heart? If you believe that then you have not been paying attention. If you believe anything believe this - all providers of online content (Facebook, Google, Pixonic...) know more about you than you can imagine - and they use every shred of that knowledge to carefully tailor your online experience to maximize their goals. For Facebook their goal is your attention - they just want to keep you looking. For Google their goal is Add revenue - so you get to see adds that they know are relevant to you. Pixonic? Well it seems they currently have a very short sighted focus on revenue maximization. The only rational explanation i can think of is that they are planning to sell the company soon. However they better be quick because i am not sure there will be many buyers for a game nobody is playing anymore
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Post by PaperMech on Sept 28, 2017 16:02:16 GMT -5
Anyone ever think of this?
Every BM they have had, they have changed the currency. What I am concerned about is the components are blue for this BM. What happens when they refresh the BM and now you need to collect "green components"
Just a thought because I "Trust Pixonic" wouldn't do that.
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Post by bronzeknee on Sept 28, 2017 16:05:31 GMT -5
Well to be fair, yes this system is better.
Better in the sense that the brain cancer you have responded to treatment and you'll live 3 months instead of 2.
It's that kind of better. And it still sucks.
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Post by grendelsbot on Sept 28, 2017 16:10:05 GMT -5
Here's what would change this crap. People should stop buying from Pix. Simple. Stop spending money for keys and components. Then Pix will realize how stupid it is. But there's always a rich or foolish person that will buy something. That's why lots of swampland gets sold in Florida and lots of Timeshares get bought. If anyone spends $200-$300 on components to buy a Dash then I have no pity for them when they are starving.
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Post by hon_shu on Sept 28, 2017 16:15:25 GMT -5
The components concept or more precisely the way you get the components (random) is ill conceived from the start. Right now there are 6 different types of components. So what happens once there are 12? Your (already atom-sized) chances of getting anything have just dropped to half.
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Post by danny on Sept 28, 2017 19:11:31 GMT -5
The components concept or more precisely the way you get the components (random) is ill conceived from the start. Right now there are 6 different types of components. So what happens once there are 12? Your (already atom-sized) chances of getting anything have just dropped to half. Yeah, I was thinking of that, too. And they sure have been fast generating new content.
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Post by Landy on Sept 28, 2017 19:12:03 GMT -5
you have a ~20% chance of getting a component on a bronze spin so 1 in 5. You have a 1 in 7 chance of getting a component for the bot you want/need You need 10k components to make a bot. Lets say you can average 20 components per spin (probably high but were low elsewhere and it keeps the math easy). That means you need 500 bronze chest wins for that component You would need to open, 500 * 7 * 5 to get one bot... 17500 bronze chests opened. If you average 2 keys per game, and play 20 games a day it will take you 437 days to grind a bot. 40 games a day is 237 days. This math is probably very wrong, happy to have someone correct it. Using your numbers, it would take 437 days to grind 7 of the new bots (or weapons). That is on average a new bot (or weapon) every 60 days or so. So things are looking up!
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Post by zer00eyz on Sept 28, 2017 19:28:20 GMT -5
you have a ~20% chance of getting a component on a bronze spin so 1 in 5. You have a 1 in 7 chance of getting a component for the bot you want/need You need 10k components to make a bot. Lets say you can average 20 components per spin (probably high but were low elsewhere and it keeps the math easy). That means you need 500 bronze chest wins for that component You would need to open, 500 * 7 * 5 to get one bot... 17500 bronze chests opened. If you average 2 keys per game, and play 20 games a day it will take you 437 days to grind a bot. 40 games a day is 237 days. This math is probably very wrong, happy to have someone correct it. For the sake of discussion, lets say that all your numbers are correct. It would take you 437 days to grind 7 of the new bots (or weapons or whatever). That is on average a new bot (or weapon) every 60 days or so. Things are looking up! Oddly no, it doesn't quite work like that. You might luck out and get one very quickly but it will probably take you at least ~215 days to get your first bot.
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Post by Landy on Sept 28, 2017 19:31:39 GMT -5
Yes, I understand that it will take you the full time of 437 days on average to get even 1 bot. But by that time, you won't just have 1 bot, you will have 7. That would ease the pain of the grind a bit. Of course, those bots may be obsolete by then so...
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Post by rdood on Sept 28, 2017 20:39:34 GMT -5
The new components are a joke. I would have preffered getting 5k silver or a lvl 1 molot then getting a slap in the face with 10 components.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 21:10:16 GMT -5
The components concept or more precisely the way you get the components (random) is ill conceived from the start. Right now there are 6 different types of components. So what happens once there are 12? Your (already atom-sized) chances of getting anything have just dropped to half. Yes...THIS^^^^^ I notice the "silver lining" forumites are calculating outcomes based on a limited number of component "streams" but it will not be that way for long as the others all come on line. The odds then deteriorate significantly.
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