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Post by BLYTHE on May 31, 2017 3:49:10 GMT -5
If the pins and tulus aren't nerfed, yes, the britbots (with the exception of the ancilot) are dead. Really, why save up for a Au bot when you can get a pseudo-KF griff with Ag weapons instead?
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Post by mv on May 31, 2017 5:08:24 GMT -5
Hi all, I just thought I would chime in with my 2 cents worth.
Is everyone aware of the planned buff to "bullets" that pix has been talking about?
"In July update we are going to make kinetic weapons deal more damage to physical shields. How much more? “Twice as much” would be a good estimate. We were thinking about giving Molots, Punishers, Tempest, Kang Dae and others their own identity other than “well, they shoot bullets”. Turning them into reliable armor busters seems like a fine direction to pick."
I mention it ONLY because (given the subject of this thread) Brit bots really will be copping a hammering in the next few months.
Perhaps they are planning some balancing act that we don't know about yet.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 31, 2017 7:50:35 GMT -5
Calm down people. This will all come full-circle when the Dash bots are released.
Yes, RDBs are everwhere right now. Because the buff happened less than a week ago. Remember how many people were playing Pokemon when it was first released? How many people do you see playing it now?
The Brits will remain relevant, as will plasma. There is a new energy weapon coming soon, and when it's released, it will be even trendier than the RDB is now. How do you counter energy weapons? Physical shields.
Another point: Dash bots are fast and have built-in anciles. Hitting a fast bot with rockets is tricky enough, and when it is equipped with an ancile...
So everyone will be going back to their shield bots and plasma to counter the new weapons and bots. And then people will be reaching for rockets to counter the resurgence of shield bots. And then something else will come along and shake things up again.
It's called "diversity". Everyone claims it's what they want, until it changes the meta which they built their hangars around. Then everyone gets all butthurt because they "wasted time" upgrading things that no longer dominate.
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Post by mech on May 31, 2017 8:28:19 GMT -5
I'm running the same crap as before the update. 3 Griffs (plasma, db, rdb), plasmahad, boa/leo. It's what I got. Gameplay for me isn't much different, except the RDB is a bit more fun now. Mainly this is because I play like an idiot half the time (much improved from playing like an idiot 90% of the time). Running the Boa I'm an instant 100% idiot, and I just can't stop myself. I love rushing into 3 reds on a beacon with it, laughing maniacally. I don't know what's wrong with me.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 8:56:19 GMT -5
I don't usually like to get into specifics about tactics, but I've seen too many get far too dismissive about this. This is my adjustment to corner shooting rockets/DBs. The first thing you have to understand is the splash radius. This does not work for Tridents, as their splash is far too great. This does work for Tulumbas/Pins/Pinatas. Better for Tulumbas/Pins, because they sit further back when firing and are therefore less likely to move far enough fast enough to change the effective angles. True DBs though are knife fighters and get very close, which makes this much more limited with them. Both types of bot users tend to dump hard when they open up, so part of this is mitigation of the first phase, before moving into what I call the trickle fire phase. This also requires greater situation awareness, because moving to maintain the angle and distance is necessary, which can and will expose you at some point to crossfire. You will still take some damage from your primary, but it is more manageable. I have found multiple locations where this work particularly well (last night my 'doomed' Plasmahad took down two RDBs and took a DB to half before succumbing to fire). For many corner shooting the old way involved pushing right up against a wall to minimize the opportunity for things like Aphids to come over the wall and do substantial damage. Now that exposure is required. I've attempted to represent this common position in my diagram. In many, if not most cases, people pound the wall with the rockets destroying the bot with splash. Here's my adjustment: There's an easy counter to my tactics, which is to aim the rockets to the side of the bot and not at the bot. However, in the heat of the moment most do not start there. Even when they adjust simply sliding back behind cover drags their aim with you into the walls, as they know they have to stay within a certain range for the splash to work, which takes you out of damage range. I've been sitting further back and stepping back during phase one then stepping back out in phase two. As previously noted, I do still take damage. The rockets eliminate the shield benefits, so in these instances I don't use it opting instead for mobility. By doing this, at least for me right now, corner shooting and using cover are not dead. I'm softer and have to be far more cautious, but the sky has not fallen. Edit: Yes, I know that RDBs operate at mid-range, but it just isn't that difficult to get into positions where they are forced to operate within 350m. Especially now, as they are emboldened with the recent change.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 12:52:56 GMT -5
My 2 Gareths, 3 Galahads, and 1 Lancelot /Ancelot would said not at all.
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Post by anjian on May 31, 2017 19:37:32 GMT -5
My highly Britbot hanger took a dip in kills per game and win loss rate. So yeah, it matters alright.
The moment I changed my hanger: 2 Galahads and 2 Lancelots and a Fury to the same Fury (for long range), one Griffin with Pins and Tulus, One Leo with Tulus, one Doc with Orkans, and a reserve Galahad, damage, wins and kills started going up again.
I am considering removing Magnums and Tarans from my Britbots in place for Pins or Pinatas, Orkans or Tulumbas.
I am considering replacing Thunders with Tridents for a kill in one button effect.
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Post by jazzykat on May 31, 2017 21:41:49 GMT -5
Before the Buff my plasmahad was my best bot. Now it is not. With the bullet buff the non Lancelots will probably have a considerable amount of trouble unless bullets still suck, but who knows...Molots can shoot further than all rockets so maybe shield bots will become long range support wizards being hardened against trebuchet and kinetic and out of range of rockets :0
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Post by BLYTHE on May 31, 2017 22:25:36 GMT -5
Pre-buff, my plasmahads were hangar staple, but honestly, even then I was already finding it difficult to justify keeping 2 in Master's as the firepower just wasn't enough. Post-buff, against maxed out RDBs, I melt in seconds. If you're unaffected by this, you're either going against low level RDBs, or you are a far better player than I.
Don't confuse this with a whine. Am I disappointed that my wondrous Galahads are less effective? Of course. But I can adjust the way I play and switch bots around to cope.
But it doesn't mean I understand Pix's "we made X OP, so let's buff Y" mentality.
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Post by anjian on May 31, 2017 23:14:38 GMT -5
I enjoy my Britbots. Every Britbot game tends to be a slugfest. Britbots turned the whole meta, and added valuable TTK to a game that is losing it as levels go up.
The problem is that they are gold items. When you have a meta dominated by gold items, that's pay to win. Even though much of the leveling needed is done with silvers and time (the hidden currency).
There is going to be issues when you nerf gold items AFTER you sold them to the public. You can be accused of bait and switch tactics, and your credibility as a vendor suffers. No one will buy your stuff in the fear you will nerf them in the future.
So what happens? You have to boost the silver stuff. Boosting the rockets, which are silver and workshop items, also boost the silver robots that carry them.
So in a way, it restores balance within the Force.
It does however, make the game feel like Walking MLRS Robots.
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Post by mrleon on May 31, 2017 23:44:31 GMT -5
Now that exposure is required. I've attempted to represent this common position in my diagram. In many, if not most cases, people pound the wall with the rockets destroying the bot with splash. Here's my adjustment: There's an easy counter to my tactics, which is to aim the rockets to the side of the bot and not at the bot. However, in the heat of the moment most do not start there. Even when they adjust simply sliding back behind cover drags their aim with you into the walls, as they know they have to stay within a certain range for the splash to work, which takes you out of damage range. I've been sitting further back and stepping back during phase one then stepping back out in phase two. As previously noted, I do still take damage. The rockets eliminate the shield benefits, so in these instances I don't use it opting instead for mobility. By doing this, at least for me right now, corner shooting and using cover are not dead. I'm softer and have to be far more cautious, but the sky has not fallen. Edit: Yes, I know that RDBs operate at mid-range, but it just isn't that difficult to get into positions where they are forced to operate within 350m. Especially now, as they are emboldened with the recent change. Almost all pilots will aim at the side right in the beginning, bro! Aiming to the central of the robot is just the problem of lasers and snipers, if you've used splash weapons for about 1-2 weeks, you know how to aim.
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Post by Insane Demon on Jun 1, 2017 18:43:54 GMT -5
I love both mine but it seems even with rockets equipped they melt fast and griffens will be better options and roks qill be better cappers? And thoughts I disagree. You just need to maneuver better and basically play them like a Carnage.
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 1, 2017 21:50:55 GMT -5
I call BS I just had this match 5 minutes ago. 4 britbots spawn trapped red team It was over in under 5 minutes.
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Jun 2, 2017 16:50:41 GMT -5
Often I find Brit Bots to be a PIA while I'm driving one myself. My better half, sitting on the couch next to me, may then hear "damn shields"...... That's a much cleaner version of what my wife hears me muttering. Good job keeping it PG! Ditto!
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