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Post by Shooty McRobot on May 27, 2017 15:44:07 GMT -5
They are gold bots, so they should have advantages over their weight class peers, and to some degree over silver and maybe WSP bots...
So is the Gephard but, as far as I know, it's never been buffed and might deserve one with the new bots and weapons on the release schedule. Having said that, I'm perfectly happy with my Gary's performance given the new game dynamic. I'm finding my shield being blown off a bit sooner than expected but I can still take a Treb hit or 3 while running in the open to cap with zero damage. I'm a little mixed on the missile buff. The gameplay seems a lot faster which blows out some established strategies for me. I'm finding Rogs a bit more useful than a Grif for medium range jump-sniping as well. All in all, I can't complain. Yeah Gep is a different case and I think got left behind when the MM changed in January, and they actually nerfed its HP at the same time, because everybody used to cry about the scourge of the Magnum Gepard hangars seal clubbing everybody. I don't know how he does at the lowest levels these days, but he has an expiration date by silver I think. He's not worth the gold anymore, not when you could get a Gareth instead. He's way too easy to kill despite his speed. Somebody from Pixonic said a while ago that it's tough to have bots that last all the way through the game and that people at every level needed something appropriate to the level, whether silver or gold. So at least at that point, their thinking was that Gepard may well expire by silver-ish, same as Vityaz, but that his role was appropriate for lower levels, and you don't want to give somebody access to a Bronze-to-Champion bot when they're two weeks old. Recently they've been talking about reworking obsolete bots though, so who knows how it will turn out. Yeah Gary is still a great bot vs. plasma and energy and machine guns. And it's not like everybody is in midrange rockets now, just notably more than before. And he can still backpedal, can still stay out of an Ork/Pinata's 300 zone, still melt down a plasma Griff/Fujin, still take out a Thunder or Zeus Carnage, etc. So we'll see how the adjustment goes. I've been using a Rog too lately. Firstly because it's just so fun. But secondly because 300 is just such a daunting place to be in a Griff that has used his jump already. I felt like to get close enough to do my damage, my death risk just shot up so much that it made me start to dread taking him out. So i tried the Rog and liked how fun it was even if I can't do the same damage and even if I die easier at my current level if someone can hit me. But that's what's great about it - the jump makes him so flexible and such a great harasser. And now with Moon in the mix, it's hard for me to think going back to DB Griffin because I feel like I need this crazy agility there. I love shooting just part of my Orkan load at somebody while strafing past a gap, then jumping up on a wall an looping around and hitting them again from another angle and jumping away again before they can point at me. It's kind of like using a Stalker in terms of timing and risk in close quarters, but it may just be a more effective bot for me. We'll see.
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Post by zed252000 on May 27, 2017 16:48:50 GMT -5
A couple observations: Pins, Pinatas and Tulumbas' aren't dealing any more damage than before. They're firing more often...but they're firing fewer rockets when they do so. Instead of firing fifteen rockets every fifteen seconds, they're firing one rocket per second for fifteen seconds. The DPM and DPS of these weapons HAS NOT CHANGED. And the Piñata and Orkan can STILL be backpedaled by anything fast enough. Or dodged by jumping. Or blocked by Ancile shields. Granted, it's no longer as easy to trick a player into emptying his salvo before you're in range. But it can still be done. The old tactics may not work any more. But there are new tactics that'll work. Gun buffs are coming - and guns are already strong! Molot counters Pin and Tulu. Punisher counters Piñata and Orkan. Getting hosed by an RDB from 450m? Drop an Archer Griff and smoke him from 600m. Don't want to face a DB at 300m? Use a Punisher Galahad and they'll never get close enough to hurt you. If you're panicking, calm down. This too shall pass. Thank you for this, some investments will have to be shelved. It sucks but then it too shall pass. TBH, it will shake up my current hangar. I'll load my "Fun" hangar for the meantime. Save my Gold and workshop points for a rainy day. My Dash Bots are waiting for me.
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Post by Poopface on May 27, 2017 17:09:02 GMT -5
Just gotta be quick and nimble.. When you hear a cymbal. And a high hat. With a souped up tempo. You're on a roll. It's time to go solo. Rollin'. In your 5.0. With the rag top down so your hair can blow. I'm sad that I just did that from memory....
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Post by greyhawk on May 27, 2017 17:33:50 GMT -5
Lol, those who have been around awhile look at it like this... "OMG, the Rhino is too OP, it makes my Boa obsolete!" "OMG, the Brit Bots are unstoppable, my Rhinos are worthless!" "OMG, the DB Griff is killing my 5k Au Lance, it needs a nerf!" "OMG, the Aphid rain is hideous, this no-skill weapon is destroying gameplay!" "OMG, Trident spam is making the game unplayable! It's camp camp camp all game!" "OMG, Ancilots are ruining the game! I can't kill it with my Trident Fury!" And now... "OMG, the rocket buff has made my (previously Meta OP bot) not as dominant as before!" In each instance the panicked "the sky is falling!!!" crowd quieted once the appropriate strategy, counter, robot build was discovered. It just takes time... I think i will quote that post hundred times if i could...read it...memorize it...and...shut up and play ! XD
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Post by 0ppressor on May 27, 2017 20:55:12 GMT -5
My Galahad is still doing alright. Definately more noticable rocket splash damage making it squishier than before, but that's ok as the physical shield still does what it's supposed to do versus plasma and bullets.
What will be the end of the Brit bots will be giving bullets Armor Peircing versus physical shields in addition to the rockets buff.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on May 27, 2017 23:35:04 GMT -5
. Often I find Brit Bots to be a PIA while I'm driving one myself. My better half, sitting on the couch next to me, may then hear "damn shields"......
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Post by The VVatcher on May 28, 2017 8:33:32 GMT -5
My Galahad is still doing alright. Definately more noticable rocket splash damage making it squishier than before, but that's ok as the physical shield still does what it's supposed to do versus plasma and bullets. What will be the end of the Brit bots will be giving bullets Armor Peircing versus physical shields in addition to the rockets buff. It's a double whammy on Britbots. The addition of armor piercing bullets is going to be overkill on top of the new rockets....punishers are afterall stock parts found in every default slots in the shop. Pretty stupid to put a nail in the coffin on premium bots with them. I don't understand the sudden assault on the Britbots. Their reign as meta is short lived it's actually pathetic. It's a shame too because they brought mobility to the meta.
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Post by nosinov on May 28, 2017 9:01:33 GMT -5
Finally. I was getting sick of facing 10+ Plasmaheads EVERY match. Now people in low gold league and higher finally have a counter, which they don't have to spend gold on.
Plasmahead lamers had an easy time. Well, now go try something new, keep crying, or just play a little smater. Easy come, easy go.
I like seeing more different setups now.
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Post by adrenachrome on May 28, 2017 9:16:31 GMT -5
BritBots other than the Ancilot are pretty much dead after everyone truly gets an understanding of the impact of the rocket buffs. You have to realize that the bots that can best take advantage of the buffed Tuls and PINs are in huge excess for most master's and above pilots. Most senior pilots have 3 or more spare fully leveled Griffins and Rhinos ---- and these bots are coming out again with Tuls and PINs. It's really just a numbers game when you decide what you will shelve to bring out these Tul/PIN platforms and most senior pilots will be shelving their Gareths, Galahads, or Rogatkas, as these 3 platforms cant take a big enough advantage of the rocket buffs or their HP is not enough to survive 20 seconds of fire by a buffed RDB setup. Heck, how does a Gareth, Gal, or Rog even take on a Trident/PIN Leo after the buff without getting crippled? Like I said, this is a matter of numbers and the BritBots fall short on both ability to take advantage of the rocket buffs and ability to withstand mid-size splash diameter weapons. I shelved my Plasmahads Galahads for Tul Docs and the only setups the Gal may work with going forward is the Orkan/Piñata or Tul/PIN formats ---- but even this is only until the Dash bots get here, when the Galahad will be completely outclassed. As far as the Lancelots, I think the new heavy sonic cube weapon will keep the Lance valid. Ancilots, while under more pressure, are still valid. Pretty much dead he says!!! OMG shield bots have to use cover and play with strategy now.... The game is dead.... If all you know how to do is walk around like the terminator in your Brit bot then yes the game is dead for you.
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Post by sethile on May 28, 2017 9:44:31 GMT -5
Lol cover from a DB...
Missile spam has now removed corner shooting asa skill from the game.
So by cover you mean a jump function...
Yeah skills and combat tactics got nuked by excessive splash.
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Post by adrenachrome on May 28, 2017 10:52:34 GMT -5
Lol cover from a DB... Missile spam has now removed corner shooting asa skill from the game. So by cover you mean a jump function... Yeah skills and combat tactics got nuked by excessive splash. Brit bots are still fast. Anyone with a smidge of strategy can come to a corner and look to see if the other bot has rockets or not. And you can just walk away if they do and go find a plasma griff to harass. Or time your attack after the main volley. Or find that sweet spot of 350 meters using your manuveralability and keep out of rocket range. But hey who wants to work at it? I want to be the terminator and walk straight into the other bots and mow them down with superior firepower and health. I was born in 1990 and I get a gold star from my mommy every morning.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 28, 2017 12:32:01 GMT -5
Well, they didnt get any better, thats for sure. I watch them evaporate now instead of dominate.
Caveat emptor if you were planning on buying, I certainly wouldn't.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 28, 2017 12:33:58 GMT -5
BritBots other than the Ancilot are pretty much dead after everyone truly gets an understanding of the impact of the rocket buffs. You have to realize that the bots that can best take advantage of the buffed Tuls and PINs are in huge excess for most master's and above pilots. Most senior pilots have 3 or more spare fully leveled Griffins and Rhinos ---- and these bots are coming out again with Tuls and PINs. It's really just a numbers game when you decide what you will shelve to bring out these Tul/PIN platforms and most senior pilots will be shelving their Gareths, Galahads, or Rogatkas, as these 3 platforms cant take a big enough advantage of the rocket buffs or their HP is not enough to survive 20 seconds of fire by a buffed RDB setup. Heck, how does a Gareth, Gal, or Rog even take on a Trident/PIN Leo after the buff without getting crippled? Like I said, this is a matter of numbers and the BritBots fall short on both ability to take advantage of the rocket buffs and ability to withstand mid-size splash diameter weapons. I shelved my Plasmahads Galahads for Tul Docs and the only setups the Gal may work with going forward is the Orkan/Piñata or Tul/PIN formats ---- but even this is only until the Dash bots get here, when the Galahad will be completely outclassed. As far as the Lancelots, I think the new heavy sonic cube weapon will keep the Lance valid. Ancilots, while under more pressure, are still valid. Pretty much dead he says!!! OMG shield bots have to use cover and play with strategy now.... The game is dead.... If all you know how to do is walk around like the terminator in your Brit bot then yes the game is dead for you. Not even close to what he said.
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Post by zer00eyz on May 28, 2017 13:03:05 GMT -5
Here is an example of how the dynamics have changed:
Match just now on yama, I start in plasma gary, and two of my team members are in mid range bots (Tulu fujin, rdb).
I grab the two caps at home while they start toward the center beacon.
Two red garys rush the center platform, both orkin/plasma fit.
I hold up on the ramp, shield open, because Im bating them out, and it works... the mid rangers finish them off before the 2 minute mark: Im 1/2 heath and full shield.
I go up and take the beacon, and hold it vs a zeus/mag leo, while my teammates come up the ramp.
Last week that would have been a knife fight, and whoever got more britbots on the platform would have taken and held it.
If the two red garys fell back rather than trying to hold, they might have lasted a bit longer.
Are the brit bots dead? No, not at all. In fact they are just as useful as ever! I don't think there is a point to an all brit hanger any more. Were going to see diversity now, and that is a good thing. Random matches are going to be really random for a long time to come.
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Post by sethile on May 28, 2017 16:15:34 GMT -5
Lol cover from a DB... Missile spam has now removed corner shooting asa skill from the game. So by cover you mean a jump function... Yeah skills and combat tactics got nuked by excessive splash. Brit bots are still fast. Anyone with a smidge of strategy can come to a corner and look to see if the other bot has rockets or not. And you can just walk away if they do and go find a plasma griff to harass. Or time your attack after the main volley. Or find that sweet spot of 350 meters using your manuveralability and keep out of rocket range. But hey who wants to work at it? I want to be the terminator and walk straight into the other bots and mow them down with superior firepower and health. I was born in 1990 and I get a gold star from my mommy every morning. I'm not sure that you are playing the same game as myself. 2 out of 3 Britbots fast. The third and most common in Champion league is not. You talk about approaching a corner, looking around to see the reds weapons, then resetting range to 300-350 by clicking your fingers. Get to that corner and the splash will render any cover useless. But a gold star for effort to you. You do like your terminator analogy, you've used it twice now. I'm not sure what you expect bots with a giant metallic shield to do? Not stand behind it and not destroy your dumb arse for not being in cover?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 19:20:30 GMT -5
No. My Galahad is alive and well, and I enjoy killing all the cocky missile people who come my way and attempt to kill me.
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Post by imnobody on May 28, 2017 22:24:06 GMT -5
With the new rockets being buffed it has now been a rock fest. melting their hangar like butter. Galahad is so useless now.
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Post by Domino on May 29, 2017 8:43:36 GMT -5
My Gal has a much shorter life then before, I hope the source of these issues wasn't the Ancilot. All they need to do is nerf the ancile if that's the case.
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Post by adrenachrome on May 29, 2017 10:14:52 GMT -5
Brit bots are still fast. Anyone with a smidge of strategy can come to a corner and look to see if the other bot has rockets or not. And you can just walk away if they do and go find a plasma griff to harass. Or time your attack after the main volley. Or find that sweet spot of 350 meters using your manuveralability and keep out of rocket range. But hey who wants to work at it? I want to be the terminator and walk straight into the other bots and mow them down with superior firepower and health. I was born in 1990 and I get a gold star from my mommy every morning. I'm not sure that you are playing the same game as myself. 2 out of 3 Britbots fast. The third and most common in Champion league is not. 1/ But it is a beast if outfitted correctly. You talk about approaching a corner, looking around to see the reds weapons, then resetting range to 300-350 by clicking your fingers. Get to that corner and the splash will render any cover useless. 2/ pin, tulu, and trident have enough splash to hit you. Only if the opponent is waiting for you. Which is rare. You should be situationally aware. Pin and orkans will do small damage but can easily be walked away from. But a gold star for effort to you. You do like your terminator analogy, you've used it twice now. I'm not sure what you expect bots with a giant metallic shield to do? Not stand behind it and not destroy your dumb arse for not being in cover? 3/ Approach cover. Use your view to peek the corner. You see a plasma griff or a molot Leo. You engage your shield and proceed to attack. You see 3 bots with rockets holding a beacon point. You can't just blast in with your Brit bot now. You will actually need that sniper to soften your enemies. And think about what bots you engage. I can't take my griff and jump run at a carnage. Why should a Brit bot be able to run at a rocket griff? I used to die all the time to shield bots because my reload was to slow. The update hasn't come to iOS yet. But I am really looking forward to it. 4/ I realize it is frustrating to have to change your play style. And it's really frustrating to be forced to change your play. But I see to many hangers with 5 Brit bots in them. I hope this will bring some balance back to a great game. Thank you Pix for constantly trying to improve. Fail or successful this was atleast an effort to appease the community. And I appreciate the effort.
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Post by Domino on May 29, 2017 10:32:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure that you are playing the same game as myself. 2 out of 3 Britbots fast. The third and most common in Champion league is not. 1/ But it is a beast if outfitted correctly. You talk about approaching a corner, looking around to see the reds weapons, then resetting range to 300-350 by clicking your fingers. Get to that corner and the splash will render any cover useless. 2/ pin, tulu, and trident have enough splash to hit you. Only if the opponent is waiting for you. Which is rare. You should be situationally aware. Pin and orkans will do small damage but can easily be walked away from. But a gold star for effort to you. You do like your terminator analogy, you've used it twice now. I'm not sure what you expect bots with a giant metallic shield to do? Not stand behind it and not destroy your dumb arse for not being in cover? 3/ Approach cover. Use your view to peek the corner. You see a plasma griff or a molot Leo. You engage your shield and proceed to attack. You see 3 bots with rockets holding a beacon point. You can't just blast in with your Brit bot now. You will actually need that sniper to soften your enemies. And think about what bots you engage. I can't take my griff and jump run at a carnage. Why should a Brit bot be able to run at a rocket griff? I used to die all the time to shield bots because my reload was to slow. The update hasn't come to iOS yet. But I am really looking forward to it. 4/ I realize it is frustrating to have to change your play style. And it's really frustrating to be forced to change your play. But I see to many hangers with 5 Brit bots in them. I hope this will bring some balance back to a great game. Thank you Pix for constantly trying to improve. Fail or successful this was atleast an effort to appease the community. And I appreciate the effort. Well said however much more hangers are running rockets vs before. This might just be a phase that will settle down, but as it stands, you're potential targets are significantly less then before. Just to note, I do the above however even when scoping your prey behind cover, splash will do significant damage, before it was Trident/Fury OMG!, it's now increased 10xfold with all the RDB builds coming out of the shadows. If you have a Gal, just drop your shield and use it only when you absolutely need it, before you could approach it slightly different.
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Post by adrenachrome on May 29, 2017 11:19:10 GMT -5
Brit bots are still fast. Anyone with a smidge of strategy can come to a corner and look to see if the other bot has rockets or not. And you can just walk away if they do and go find a plasma griff to harass. Or time your attack after the main volley. Or find that sweet spot of 350 meters using your manuveralability and keep out of rocket range. But hey who wants to work at it? I want to be the terminator and walk straight into the other bots and mow them down with superior firepower and health. I was born in 1990 and I get a gold star from my mommy every morning. I'm not sure that you are playing the same game as myself. 2 out of 3 Britbots fast. The third and most common in Champion league is not. You talk about approaching a corner, looking around to see the reds weapons, then resetting range to 300-350 by clicking your fingers. Get to that corner and the splash will render any cover useless. But a gold star for effort to you. You do like your terminator analogy, you've used it twice now. I'm not sure what you expect bots with a giant metallic shield to do? Not stand behind it and not destroy your dumb arse for not being in cover? YOU CAN THANK THIS GUY FOR THE ROCKET BUFF
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Post by panzerblitzkrieg on May 29, 2017 12:15:41 GMT -5
Just want to add that over the weekend i tried multiple set ups and the gerry with ork/pintaor aphid is still noce for the hot and run game.. i was loving it but my ghalad was only hit or miss qith plasma and rockets due to speed.. but the gerry i might get a second one now just for the hit and run beacon killer super dirty and fun!
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 29, 2017 14:21:06 GMT -5
BritBots other than the Ancilot are pretty much dead after everyone truly gets an understanding of the impact of the rocket buffs. You have to realize that the bots that can best take advantage of the buffed Tuls and PINs are in huge excess for most master's and above pilots. Most senior pilots have 3 or more spare fully leveled Griffins and Rhinos ---- and these bots are coming out again with Tuls and PINs. It's really just a numbers game when you decide what you will shelve to bring out these Tul/PIN platforms and most senior pilots will be shelving their Gareths, Galahads, or Rogatkas, as these 3 platforms cant take a big enough advantage of the rocket buffs or their HP is not enough to survive 20 seconds of fire by a buffed RDB setup. Heck, how does a Gareth, Gal, or Rog even take on a Trident/PIN Leo after the buff without getting crippled? Like I said, this is a matter of numbers and the BritBots fall short on both ability to take advantage of the rocket buffs and ability to withstand mid-size splash diameter weapons. I shelved my Plasmahads Galahads for Tul Docs and the only setups the Gal may work with going forward is the Orkan/Piñata or Tul/PIN formats ---- but even this is only until the Dash bots get here, when the Galahad will be completely outclassed. As far as the Lancelots, I think the new heavy sonic cube weapon will keep the Lance valid. Ancilots, while under more pressure, are still valid. Pretty much dead he says!!! OMG shield bots have to use cover and play with strategy now.... The game is dead.... If all you know how to do is walk around like the terminator in your Brit bot then yes the game is dead for you. Without a doubt, the Gareth and Galahad are finished as viable option on a top tier level match. There will soon be on iOS 4 common setups that can kill either Gathery or Gal in under 20 seconds. The RDB Griff, RDB Rhino, Quad Tul Doc, and TT Fury are 4 common setups that can easily be spun up on day 1 of 2.9 hitting iOS and that's too many meshes put there to dodge.
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Post by iKily on May 29, 2017 14:43:52 GMT -5
All I see are hangars full of Griffins with Rockets, so yeah, Brit Bots are kind of done for the time being; only really viable Britbot is the Ancilot.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 29, 2017 15:05:06 GMT -5
All I see are hangars full of Griffins with Rockets, so yeah, Brit Bots are kind of done for the time being; only really viable Britbot is the Ancilot. It's actually worse than most think for the Gal and Gareth. We are probably looking at least a year that Gary and Gal could of possibly be useful again. The new medium and heavy energy weapons being proposed simply don't work on either bot and these weapons will be a fair amount of the response to the PIN/Tul invasion. Let's face it, the Dash bots are what pilots will turn to for an answer to rockets - not the BritBots. So if you are thinking those Grays and Gals will be relevant again, don't hold your breath.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 29, 2017 15:05:17 GMT -5
All I see are hangars full of Griffins with Rockets, so yeah, Brit Bots are kind of done for the time being; only really viable Britbot is the Ancilot. It's actually worse than most think for the Gal and Gareth. We are probably looking at least a year that Gary and Gal could of possibly be useful again. The new medium and heavy energy weapons being proposed simply don't work on either bot and these weapons will be a fair amount of the response to the PIN/Tul invasion. Let's face it, the Dash bots are what pilots will turn to for an answer to rockets - not the BritBots. So if you are thinking those Grays and Gals will be relevant again, don't hold your breath.
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Post by Nitro on May 29, 2017 16:15:51 GMT -5
Before the update, Ancile bots had to deal with the fear of Plasma EVERYWHERE. It's only fair that shield bots (who have been dominating for such a long time now) need a reason to be fearful as well. This makes the Ancile and Brit Bots in a similar stance now, because there's still lots of plasma, and their's now an increase in splash weapons. My Tulu Fujin has been a great investment lately, but only because I can now be a bit smarter with my rockets. I can choose when to fire, when to stop, and when to wait for more missiles to reload. On the other hand, I keep plasma in my hangar to combat other ancile bots, or when I feel like the coast is clear from splash. My Galahad plays just fine still as long as I scout around corners to make sure no splash is present.
When I see shield bots, I whip out splash, see more anciles, whip out plasma. It's all about countering your enemy.
Not only that, but a leveled up Garry can dodge rockets by running diagonally forward at full speed. An eager splasher may try to spew his entire Salvo at you, but if you can dodge it, you have a chance to strike back while he tries to reload or tries to shoot small shots of missiles at you.
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Post by adrenachrome on May 29, 2017 18:58:01 GMT -5
All I see are hangars full of Griffins with Rockets, so yeah, Brit Bots are kind of done for the time being; only really viable Britbot is the Ancilot. Screenshot please. I call BS. I have never seen an all griff hanger with all rockets. But I have posted screenshots of all shield bot hangers. Please provide proof of theses fish tales. Or quit lying
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Post by iKily on May 30, 2017 0:24:08 GMT -5
All I see are hangars full of Griffins with Rockets, so yeah, Brit Bots are kind of done for the time being; only really viable Britbot is the Ancilot. Screenshot please. I call BS. I have never seen an all griff hanger with all rockets. But I have posted screenshots of all shield bot hangers. Please provide proof of theses fish tales. Or quit lying I don´t go around taking SS of every hangar I see, but sure, if I catch one I´ll take an SS just for you.
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Post by Poopface on May 30, 2017 10:47:25 GMT -5
Often I find Brit Bots to be a PIA while I'm driving one myself. My better half, sitting on the couch next to me, may then hear "damn shields"...... That's a much cleaner version of what my wife hears me muttering. Good job keeping it PG!
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