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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 5, 2016 18:42:48 GMT -5
Well, I've been pretty content following the Wiki guides so far, but I am now rather unsure on my next WSP purchase. Here's my current hangar: L4 Cossack with L8 Orkan or L6 Taran L4 Boa with L7 Thunder and L7 Taran L4 Patton with 7/7/7/7 CRV Pins L4 Boa with L7 Thunder and L7 Taran Bench L4 Patton with L6/6/7/7 Pinatas or L6/6/7/7 Magnums or L6/6/7/7 Spirals (I often sub one of these for the 2nd Boa for more variety, or for the Cossack to up the hangar's damage potential -- I know I should probably sub out the CRV Pin Patton more, but I just love that guy) L4 Destrier (I usually equip with the above L7 Magnums, tis fun, but usually not very effective) L4 Golem (Been a while since I used it, usually with 2nd Boa's Thunder/Taran, plus L7 Magnum, but I also loved it as my sniper bot when I was giving that a whirl a while back. When I get a Trident, this bot will probably supplant the CRV Pin Patton) L4 Vityaz (haven't used since I got the 2nd Taran, but I had the Thunder and Mags on it when I did) L6 Leo (only used a few times, usually with Thunder/Mag or 2 Mags and Aphids) 2X L6 Griffins (only used a few times, sometimes PDB, sometimes with the Patton's CRVs and L6/5 Tulumbas, sometimes with Pinatas and Tarans) L4 Schutze with L5 Thunder Spare weapons include L7 Aphids and L6 Taran, both of which get rotated into a slot occasionally, and then a bunch of unused stuff: L5 Pinatas, L5 Kang-Dae, and a bunch of KwKs, Punishers, Molots, and Ecus of various levels. The Ecu used to get more use before I had the 4th Magnum and 4th Pinatas leveled up. Yeah, I don't think I ever run the same lineup more than about 5 matches in a row. So, purely in terms of WSP, I have 4 Magnums and 3 Tarans and 3,100 WSPs. In terms of Gold, I just have 1 Orkan and am 80% of the way to the 5th slot (after which, I'll get a 2nd Orkan and then Galahad). According to the WSP purchase guide, it would seem the next thing to get would either be a 4th Taran or a Stalker. However, it also says the Stalker, "loses some use at the higher tiers." Could someone explain what this means, exactly? I like to invest long-term, which is the main reason I've refrained from getting a Gepard or Rogatka (even though having a Taranasaurus Rog would be really cool). Does this mean the Stalker is the same way? The word "some" sounds like it's still useful in Gold, just not as useful as it is in Silver. Could someone please clarify? Still, while I'm seeing how dangerous they are, the idea of one isn't really grabbing me for some reason. I'm kinda itching to get a Trident, which I hear is really useful in Gold. I only see an occasional Rhino, but I would think a Trident/Tulu/Pin Golem would be far better than the Pin Patton. I've always preferred the Golem's look to the Patton and miss having it in the lineup. I also think practice with the Trident would be a more useful skill than running around in a Stalker, and I'm guessing it wouldn't bump me up any. The 4th Taran is another possibility, but not as exciting because I already have some and, more importantly, I don't really know where I'd be putting it. One is sitting on the shelf with my normal lineup, and even when I run mostly heavies, it's usually PDB Griffin, CRV/Tulu Griffin, Thunder/Mag Leo, and Thunder/Taran Boa. I already have enough Tarans for that, and I think the higher priority by far to boost that lineup is the 2nd Orkan to be able to roll out a DB Griffin. I kinda doubt the Rhino would make sense at this point, as I'm guessing it'd bump me out of low Silver. I have no idea whether I would enjoy it or not, as it seems odd. I'm more picturing a Gold lineup featuring Galahad(s)/Griffins and maybe Carnage. Furies look hideous and I don't think I'd ever want something that slow. I really love how the 4-legged ones look when they're walking, but the guide is way down on them, so I think I'll content myself with admiring them as piloted by others. Anyway, that's pretty much my thinking (I guess I can't really say that was a nutshell). By all means, poke holes in it or make fun of it, as any advice would be most gratefully appreciated. Thank you!
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 5, 2016 18:53:10 GMT -5
Not sure if this will work, let's see... Ah, good. Note, the win rate is not usually that high. It typically hovers around 55-65%. I seem to have had a run of easy matches. I'd had the Cossack with the L6 Taran, so maybe that had something to do with it. Damage unimpressive, I know. I love the Cossack but am eh with the Orkan. Plus, if I play Springfield or Yamantau, I pretty much try to camp at center every time.
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Dec 5, 2016 19:07:46 GMT -5
The trident is really useful in higher tiers, probably the best option for mid range in gold tier all the way for top and still great in low silver. The stalker loses its use around mid gold and is sort of useful in low gold, though this depends on the skill of the pilot. If you don't know where you would put the taran then don't buy one and an orkan would be a good purchase as well. Since you are so close to the fifth slot wait until you have it before getting the second orkan. Get rhino when you are at 6/9 roughly as that is when it's starts to shine and a Galahad would be good as well.
Basically what I'm saying is that right now a trident is the only thing I reckon you should get in terms of wsp, after that just save it up for when you might actually need it again.
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Post by moody on Dec 5, 2016 19:28:01 GMT -5
The trident is really useful in higher tiers, probably the best option for mid range in gold tier all the way for top and still great in low silver. The stalker loses its use around mid gold and is sort of useful in low gold, though this depends on the skill of the pilot. If you don't know where you would put the taran then don't buy one and an orkan would be a good purchase as well. Since you are so close to the fifth slot wait until you have it before getting the second orkan. Get rhino when you are at 6/9 roughly as that is when it's starts to shine and a Galahad would be good as well. Basically what I'm saying is that right now a trident is the only thing I reckon you should get in terms of wsp, after that just save it up for when you might actually need it again. I tend to agree with all of this. I've got 3 tarens, 2 tridents, 7 mags. I bought a Rhino (can't use, not in my hanger) and a carnage (gets regular use but has to be leveled more than your hanger). The tridents are currently sitting in inventory as the carnage has Thunders on it - just can't seem to make good use of them (the RDB griffin does a better job). Only thing I am hanging out for is a trebuchet or two as I wouldn't mind playing around with a long range bot from time to time.
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Dec 5, 2016 20:10:18 GMT -5
Kwk on a carnage are probably the best for long range, or treb fury
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Post by Zhøu™ on Dec 5, 2016 20:17:36 GMT -5
Try the Trident CRV Tulumbas Golem for Mid-range, its pretty formidable in silver tier.
Alternatively you can try CRV Trident Leo in high silver/low gold.
About the Tarans, ever since Galahad is released, the "4x Tarans and 4x Magnums" advice has lost some (only a little bit) of its potency. I'd still advise you to get that 4th Taran though (for PDB Griffins/Leo or Lance) but its not a "100% must-get" anymore, especially for players who know their own playstyle and knows what they are doing, or what their future gold hangar looks like.
It all depends on your future gold hangar, what bots do you see yourself using as main hangar, and plan the weapons accordingly. Do note WSP bonus stops at level 15, so WSP will come very very slow after that, so use your WSP bonus wisely.
That being said, yes, Tridents is used pretty extensively in Gold tier, but it needs to be around at least level 8-9 (preferably level 10) to be useful, and preferably minimum a pair of it on Carnage or Natasha, and of course 3x of it on the Fury.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 5, 2016 20:53:15 GMT -5
To answer some your Qs...
1. The stalker loses its use in higher tiers because bots there have higher HP, shields, so the Stalker's stealth becomes ineffective. In gold 3-4 blasts from mag/taran melts them.
2. Tridents, pinatas, tulumbas, and orkans are VERY useful in gold more so than plasma because of shielded bots. In silver a golem with trids, tulus, and pins is pretty good; in gold you'd have to do tridents on carnage, fury, or I guess a Leo with 3X pins.
3. As for rhinos, yes they are an essential part of a gold tier hangar but perhaps less than before since more and more people are using splash damage weps (because shield bots are more plentiful); then there's also more aphids used and rhino are not known for quickly covering.
Personally, I use grifs more now than rhinos since they are more agile.
For now, the "ideal" gold hangar would comprise: galahad, grif, carnage, rhino, lancelot. This will change.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Zhøu™ on Dec 5, 2016 21:10:17 GMT -5
For now, the "ideal" gold hangar would comprise: galahad, grif, carnage, rhino, lancelot. This will change. 4/5 mine. I have Fury instead of Carnage.
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Post by BLYTHE on Dec 5, 2016 21:50:19 GMT -5
For now, the "ideal" gold hangar would comprise: galahad, grif, carnage, rhino, lancelot. This will change. 4/5 mine. I have Fury instead of Carnage. Yes, of course. Silly me I forgot the Fury.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 6, 2016 9:18:05 GMT -5
Awesome. Thanks for all the helpful advice! Think I'll bypass the Stalker and get a Trident.
And ha! For some reason, it had never occurred to me to just save up. Wish WSP points could earn interest, though.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2016 9:43:51 GMT -5
+1 Trident
The Golem setup you mentioned was my main mid-range until I got to 6/8 heavies and had enough Tridents leveled to put em on either a Fury or a Carny... I ended up using the Carny a whole lot more at this stage. That golem did me right up until this point. I was using it from 4/6 on up to 7/8 and it was still a decent mid-range setup... just have to keep in mind all the mid-range pointers, like: 1. Target the bots that are most advantageous for the team... not always other mid-rangers. 2. Don't get flanked or snuck up on. 3. Be aware of the reload times... the Trident and the CRV Pin will have the same cycle time... the Tulumbus is a bit longer, so the weapon reloads don't match up. This isn't a bot breaker for me, but it bothers quite a few players if we go by the feedback about it in the forums. It can either mean you have two different firing times, or that you must have patience before shooting the 2 that are ready in order to combine with the 3rd for that big uppercut that can knock a bot out. 4. CRVs/Tulumbus have a pretty big splash AOE compared to Orks. Tridents have an even bigger one. Get used to determining when a bot behind cover can still be hit... usually if any part of the target box on your HUD is peeking out from behind cover, then you can hit it.
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Post by noname on Dec 6, 2016 9:51:20 GMT -5
My wsp bonus just ended, I'm maxed. Currently have enough for a 3rd trident, though another taran is money too. I have no treb, have been meaning to join that club. And new bots coming soon. Jeez, decisions, decisions. What to do....
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Dec 6, 2016 10:44:37 GMT -5
Try the Trident CRV Tulumbas Golem for Mid-range, its pretty formidable in silver tier. Alternatively you can try CRV Trident Leo in high silver/low gold. I run that setup sometimes, it's not as useful as I'd hope, especially not with a 6/6 - 6/8 (my tarans on my other bots) hanger It's good for keeping enemies pinned, but not good enough to mech a red I'd go with anything that has 2+ heavy hardpoints mounted with tridents..
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 11:50:26 GMT -5
RDB Griff is the best mobile midranger in high silver and above.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 6, 2016 16:16:41 GMT -5
I would point out that, between CRV Patton and Trident/Tulu/CRV Golem, Patton has all the same reload. Meaning your firing cycle is consistently outputting max damage; Golem has higher theoretical burst damage, but in practice, Patton will put out more damage through several cycles. Just because more often than not, Golem is only firing 2/3 of its broadside. Aldo, Patton unloads faster, meaning you spend less time exposed to enemy fire. I'll take midrange Patton over midrange Golem every day.
Now, If you want a truly murderous midrange bot, the Zeus/CRV Leo is an excellent option. I strongly recommend it; CRV means shield bots can't tank the Zeus beam (they can, but the rockets will still hurt), and on soft targets, Zeus wreaks sheer, unadulterated havoc at moderate ranges. Plus Leo can tank a ton of damage and keep firing. Zeus is a major Au investment, but if you seek a strong, tanky midrange bot, Zeus/Pin Leo is for you.
AFTER you unlock the 5th slot. Till then, save your Au like it's going out of style.
At this stage, I'd recommend buying a Carnage with your WP, and then slapping a pair of Thunders on it. Run it until you stop getting mauled. Learning the Carnage is extremely useful in top tier - a single Carnage can blitz two Rhinos or more, if the pilot is good.
I own four Carnages, however, so I may be biased...
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 6, 2016 16:26:30 GMT -5
RDB Griff is the best mobile midranger in high silver and above. Care to explain? I'm still not used to all that acronym-thingies. DB means death button, I think. Hell, but what it is? Beats me...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2016 16:32:00 GMT -5
RDB Griff is the best mobile midranger in high silver and above. Care to explain? I'm still not used to all that acronym-thingies. DB means death button, I think. Hell, but what it is? Beats me... DB = Death Button = 2 Orks and 2 Pinatas RDB = Russian Death Button = 2 Tulumbus and 2 CRV Pins
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 16:32:06 GMT -5
RDB means Russian Death Button Two tulus, two crvs.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2016 16:34:31 GMT -5
The only reason it is called Russian Death Button is because in the early stages of the game, a lot of the Russian teams ran that set up... as I understand it. I posted a vid in my video thread that shows a Russian clan playing and they were almost exclusively mid-range... so I get it. Was an insane video tbh... They absolutely pwned with Mid-range.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 6, 2016 16:36:24 GMT -5
I would point out that, between CRV Patton and Trident/Tulu/CRV Golem, Patton has all the same reload... I'll take midrange Patton over midrange Golem every day. Thanks! I was considering that, but I still think the Golem is worth a try to see if I can juggle the weapons to maximize its output. Ooh, I was wondering what to do with the Leo beyond Thunder/Mags. It's so sluggish a knifer compared to the Boa. Yes, I've been following that thread very closely! Definitely considering it, but as most say the Rhino is more of a must-have and takes a long time to master, I'm still leaning towards trying that one out first.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 16:43:48 GMT -5
I would recommend against a zeus. If you really want the leo to be useful, go for a thunder aphid setup.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2016 16:46:02 GMT -5
FYI: Leos may be sluggish, but they perform admirably with the setup he described, as well as with the Trident. The midrange combo of CRVs and either of those 600m Heavies is great. The CRVs have the same reload/cycle time as the Tridents after all is said and done... (the listed times are different for reload... but it takes the trident at least a second, maybe a bit more, to shoot all 3 rounds of its burst, and that evens it out so that they are virtually synced) so you don't have the Golems disparity with the Tulums. So, one more point towards getting the Trident #teamtridentftw
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Dec 6, 2016 16:46:50 GMT -5
Care to explain? I'm still not used to all that acronym-thingies. DB means death button, I think. Hell, but what it is? Beats me... DB = Death Button = 2 Orks and 2 Pinatas RDB = Russian Death Button = 2 Tulumbus and 2 CRV Pins Ah, you're my hero. I knew the 'russian', but I thought, it's about russian roulette. One gun, one bullet, six chances. Hey, then I run a RDB-Griffin. At least I got one. But only 6\6 at the Moment...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2016 16:46:55 GMT -5
And yes, the Thunder Aphid setup is freaking great, I have been using it a good bit lately... especially as an opener on Canyon and Dead City.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 16:48:14 GMT -5
warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:I%27mWithTheGuyWithTheShirtThatSaysI%27mWithStupid/PDB_rhino_guideThis guide should cover most of the basics of rhino piloting, it'll apply to either the pdb or the db rhino, but the db rhino is a bit more lenient, so I would try that first if you want to play the rhino. One major thing to remember is that the rhino is not a straight up super heavy knife fighter like the lancelot, it's a lightning brusier yes, but it does much better with positional tactics and flanking than with an all out assault with no tactics.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 6, 2016 16:50:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the Zeus is pretty low on your Gold list, Strayed , so I'm not surprised, but the Leo definitely making sense to me as a midrange bot, so maybe I'll go with Trident/CRV instead. I tend to be an experimenting type, so I was thinking of trying Zeus out eventually, maybe after I have a Galahad but before a Lancelot. My son definitely likes its effect!
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 16:52:21 GMT -5
We've had a top tier player on here before who swore by the trident crv leo, still though, it wouldn't exactly be my go-to midrange bot...
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 6, 2016 16:56:18 GMT -5
I'm guessing I'll enjoy the RDB Griffin better, but I've been pretty useless with Griffins so far. Plenty of time to practice and experiment before Gold, though.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 6, 2016 16:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by Strayed on Dec 6, 2016 16:57:21 GMT -5
Can you describe to me in detail how you've been piloting the griff? Biggest thing is to not treat its jump like a cossack jump.
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