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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:46:42 GMT -5
NO, the champions and Masters I face are very skilled. I squad with folks that are much higher than me sometimes... Android expert and occasionally higher... and there is no lack of good players. But, once again, YOU are trying to tell me what I see in my games... The last time someone else did that I got stupid and tried to argue... I won't this time. But just know that it's not some cookie cutter experience from iOS to Android and from player to player. What you see isn't what I see and what I see isn't what Blast sees and what he sees isn't what Dredd sees... etc. You can think that you know.... and even believe it with all your heart... trusting in it... and still be mistaken. Enjoy your day. I have to fight them EVERY match, EVERY game and EVERY day. You have to fight them when you squad with higher guys and MM screw-ups OCCASIONALLY. And I'll admit, nobody deserves gold when one team drops out of the game or when the entire enemy team is full of AFK players. But those last-minute beacon runs, those 4v6 victories, those 1v1 beacons battles deserves rewards LQ or not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:47:05 GMT -5
Great thread, folks. Carry on.
If anyone needs me, I'll be over here, swimming in blastronaut tears.
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Post by Firebeard on May 3, 2017 15:54:16 GMT -5
LQ doesn't sound so fun, now that the Awards are gone .. does it?
So, it was never about a "better gaming experience," it was about Gold - Cheap, easy Gold at the expense and wonton abuse of new Players. Some Players are trying to get out of LQ but you don't care about them, do you? You want them to stay.
The Free-ride is gone. It had to be done. Escape LQ and test your mettle in the real world, not a fantasy land where it rains Gold and Silver.
Don't use "Skill" to try and obfuscate the facts that you get annihilated like we did by persons who prey on the less experienced. It is akin to Bullying.
You will have more fun playing the game, than you will exploiting it ..
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Post by Paps on May 3, 2017 15:56:04 GMT -5
This whole thread has turned into a dumpster fire. Hopefully separate game modes appear soon so we can all each play our own preference of game. Until then. It's not hard to play the game straight. Just... play. Simple. Is that like "Shut up and play"? I suppose it could be construed that way. I really just mean to say it's not difficult to play the game as it's intended. Multi-player area domination. I don't understand the fixation of playing squirrely. I mean... whatever floats your goat. I guess. Can't be upset when you draw fire, though. |
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Post by Big Pappa 38 on May 3, 2017 16:07:15 GMT -5
Is there a way to know if you are in the LQ? There have been times I feel like I am, but don't think I am and shouldn't be. Do you get a notification or is there a symbol somewhere that denotes your in the LQ?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:12:20 GMT -5
Paps, that was baaaaaaad!
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 3, 2017 16:27:34 GMT -5
LQ doesn't sound so fun, now that the Awards are gone .. does it? So, it was never about a "better gaming experience," it was about Gold - Cheap, easy Gold at the expense and wonton abuse of new Players. Some Players are trying to get out of LQ but you don't care about them, do you? You want them to stay. The Free-ride is gone. It had to be done. Escape LQ and test your mettle in the real world, not a fantasy land where it rains Gold and Silver. Don't use "Skill" to try and obfuscate the facts that you get annihilated like we did by persons who prey on the less experienced. It is akin to Bullying. You will have more fun playing the game, than you will exploiting it .. I only hope that the rewards that are cut back includes Silver. I think Gold is not as important as Silver for senior pilots. If I was in LQ and my gold rewards go cut to zero, I'd still play LQ just for the silver - as my larger win ratio would still offer greater silver reward than playing regular queue. Now if Gold and Silver were cut back in LQ to say 75% of normal, to would make Silver awards less than it would make in normal ---- and make normal queue solidly a better silver earner to LQ. So if Pix only cuts Gold payout but not Silver payout, you can forget deterring pilots from LQ. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:29:15 GMT -5
I don't like people camping, leaving, tanking, etc.. There's been a fair share of expounding upon ethics and morals lately.
First thing is the constant use of "the Rules". I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO GO INTO THE GAME, AND GET ME A SCREENCAP OF THE RULES. IN SOME FORM, CAN ANYONE PRODUCE THE COMPLETE OFFICIAL SET OF THE RULES FOR THE GAME? (this is not yelling, rather emphasizing that if its gonna be stated, lets see it)
Second, people feel screwed over by the game and PIX. I don't like or condone some of the things they do, but they are just serving it right back.
Third, the statement "is a violation of an unspoken social contract of the game" is meaningless. A "Social" contract? A contract that we have not talked about? That sounds non -existant. Then to compare apples and oranges, with a game vs real life communities, is more than a stretch. The interests in said hypothetical situation may not be the same.
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Post by boomsplat on May 3, 2017 16:44:52 GMT -5
Finally - and for me it has more to do with Pixo actually delivering upon their commitments than the actual leavers. Pixo created LQ as a way to discourage the disruption in game play....but they made it attractive. By eliminating or diminishing rewards, they will deliver upon their statements. Nope, we will all just move out of the LQ to ruin your regular matches.  Ha! Nothing really upsets me anymore with this game since I'm playing so infrequently. Pixo already ruined most of the game for me by making my beloved geps irrelevant.... |
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Post by mr7q on May 3, 2017 16:58:21 GMT -5
To me, it is a shame that the developers are taking the route of attempting to punish those they feel like aren't playing the game to their vision rather than rewarding those that do. This I feel will always be a losing battle.
I would be very interested to see what the state of the game would look like if the reward structure rewarded you for maintaining as high a league rating as possible. For example, imagine if there was a multiplier to post game silver rewards which slowly increased the amount of time with larger jumps for tier boundaries. This would give players a reason to continue in games where they may not regularly be the MVP as well as rewarding those who continue to climb the ladder. As it stands now, with the only reward being a small amount of gold a player receives for league qualification, it pales in the amount of gold and silver that can be gained via tanking and re-climbing the ranks.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:25:24 GMT -5
To me, it is a shame that the developers are taking the route of attempting to punish those they feel like aren't playing the game to their vision rather than rewarding those that do. This I feel will always be a losing battle. I don't view it as punishment. I don't see why anyone else does. It's simply incentivizing players to try to win. In a team game, counter-intuitive and counter-productive play is simply not welcomed by fellow players, and the developers would appear to agree. This is a great idea. I suspect Pix is sensitive to the "rich getting richer" result that could occur by giving champions more rewards than lower players, but I think the War Robots playerbase has shown that unless there is a drastic differential in rewards for progressing, many players would just prefer to beat on lesser equipped players. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:22:44 GMT -5
To me, it is a shame that the developers are taking the route of attempting to punish those they feel like aren't playing the game to their vision rather than rewarding those that do. This I feel will always be a losing battle. The ironic part is that they created clubbing. Way back when, Max light bots were 4/6, if I remember right. The rub was, that didn't apply to the tri -mag Gep. You could jack your mags to the sky. The real kicker was, as a wee newb, they offered you deals on Geps and gold........ Then it was simply play ball! |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:24:27 GMT -5
Anyone also notice the increase in members leaving ("supposedly").
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Post by Divine Thunder on May 3, 2017 18:31:10 GMT -5
Suggestion to increase currency in higher leagues - that has been discussed with pix, so at least it has been placed on the table. Whether they pick it up is another issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 19:43:16 GMT -5
Divine Thunder The problem is the LQ population pool is already comparatively small and if you remove the, let's say, 50% of people there purely for resources, each consecutive match is going to have the same 3 people on each team. So not only are you taking gold and silver away from people who genuinely enjoy the LQ experience, you are potentially ruining the experience altogether. In fact with pilots under level 15 gone and farmers gone, LQ might not even be feasible. It will literally be one on one matches or 2 minute waits for the match to begin. At a certain point it would make more sense to just get rid of LQ altogether and employ some other anti leaving mechanism. Even in the regular queueing in iOS you often run into the same players over and over. A sign I suspect that less upper league people are playing the game. This post just makes me giggle so much. "In fact with the pilots under L15 gone" Seriously? Why don't we say "With people who had no idea how they got there, who have no chance of winning, enjoying the game or earning anything gone, I can't beat the snot out of them and take top honors easily and without effort". Cry me a river about how long it will take you to be matched up. As for getting rid of LQ and using another anti-leaver mechanism, what? Right when it will kick into high gear? In regular queuing in iOS I almost never see the same faces again. It's a big deal when I spot one I remember. And hey, when those 50% of the players who are in there to earn resources leave because they can't they will swell the player pool back out in the Real League. You know, the one you should be playing in. if you like prison, stay in. If not, get out. Hey jackson, too scared to reply to my face. I'm one of the very few people in LQ who specifically does not kill noobs running around in cossacks and destriers, even when they are standing there motionless firing at me. And if I see an off the shelf vityaz or golem I'll ignore it too unless it's headed straight for a beacon. Most people kill all of these in an attempt to increase likelihood of damage gold. I forego it and I have been complaining about clueless novices thrown into LQ since it's inception. The reason you probably dont see the same players over and over is because you either don't play much or youre not in a high enough league, or both. |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 3, 2017 19:52:42 GMT -5
If they make the current event gold structure permanent for the top 4 leagues this would act as a defacto reward band...Best rewards for those who climb and grind.
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Post by mechmedoit on May 4, 2017 1:48:09 GMT -5
All this yet no one is addressing the big elephant in the room. We still can't squad with clan members in different leagues and weaker hangars. So askiing to squad with your clan mates with lower hangar levels in lower league they'll avoid to squad with you. "Hi guys anyone wanna squad?". "Sorry bro you're in Champions".. It forces them to play with maxed hangars belonging to champion or higher.. No wonder why people are dropping down leagues.
So you go soloing against top clans and then have to face champions or legend league clans squading together with 4-5 ancilots each? It's a joke. We miss some diversity and being able to actually play with our friends with the robots and weapons we like. Not having to conform to everyone else running nothing but ancilots. I don't wanna jump clans and abandoning friends either. Pixonic fix this please.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on May 4, 2017 3:06:55 GMT -5
All this yet no one is addressing the big elephant in the room. We still can't squad with clan members in different leagues and weaker hangars. So askiing to squad with your clan mates with lower hangar levels in lower league they'll avoid to squad with you. "Hi guys anyone wanna squad?". "Sorry bro you're in Champions".. It forces them to play with maxed hangars belonging to champion or higher.. No wonder why people are dropping down leagues. So you go soloing against top clans and then have to face champions or legend league clans squading together with 4-5 ancilots each? It's a joke. We miss some diversity and being able to actually play with our friends with the robots and weapons we like. Not having to conform to everyone else running nothing but ancilots. I don't wanna jump clans and abandoning friends either. Pixonic fix this please. I'm not in a clan, but this is a very important point. ^^ |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 3:30:44 GMT -5
I and half my clan are in LQ , not to farm, but because we like it better. None of us have maxed hangars and if we are earning more resources, it is only because you can squeeze in more matches in less time and the occasional 6 against 3 oddball matchup. I suspect as many as half the people in LQ are there because they enjoy it more. Also, once in LQ , you can perpetually stay there without "harming other players." In fact, you can get into LQ without harming other players. Just map skipping or leaving at the very beginning and being replaced or leaving when a loss is undeniable all seem to eventually land you there. That's how I got in the first two times. No imaginary social contracts broken. If you're not there to farm, then the changes won't have any effect on your game play experience. You can stay there and keep fighting people of like mind. The only reason, that I can see, to be upset is the loss of rewards, but that would mean that you are there to farm. |
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Post by suntron on May 4, 2017 3:33:05 GMT -5
If they make the current event gold structure permanent for the top 4 leagues this would act as a defacto reward band...Best rewards for those who climb and grind. That might work. I'm not even sure that would need that much maybe 2 extra gold for each winner and 1 for losers. Except last place with an extra gold for top and second beacon capture. We needed to be compensated for fewer wins and lower position the higher we climb. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 3:47:05 GMT -5
I and half my clan are in LQ , not to farm, but because we like it better. None of us have maxed hangars and if we are earning more resources, it is only because you can squeeze in more matches in less time and the occasional 6 against 3 oddball matchup. I suspect as many as half the people in LQ are there because they enjoy it more. Also, once in LQ , you can perpetually stay there without "harming other players." In fact, you can get into LQ without harming other players. Just map skipping or leaving at the very beginning and being replaced or leaving when a loss is undeniable all seem to eventually land you there. That's how I got in the first two times. No imaginary social contracts broken. If you're not there to farm, then the changes won't have any effect on your game play experience. You can stay there and keep fighting people of like mind. The only reason, that I can see, to be upset is the loss of rewards, but that would mean that you are there to farm. Already addressed that in depth in response to Divine Thunder. Read the thread. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 3:51:44 GMT -5
If you're not there to farm, then the changes won't have any effect on your game play experience. You can stay there and keep fighting people of like mind. The only reason, that I can see, to be upset is the loss of rewards, but that would mean that you are there to farm. Already addressed that in depth in response to Divine Thunder. Read the thread. Why, I can read the thread anyway I want to |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 3:56:36 GMT -5
Finally - and for me it has more to do with Pixo actually delivering upon their commitments than the actual leavers. Pixo created LQ as a way to discourage the disruption in game play....but they made it attractive. By eliminating or diminishing rewards, they will deliver upon their statements. Nope, we will all just move out of the LQ to ruin your regular matches. Strange, haven't you often said that you choose to be in LQ for the skill / better matches and that it wasn't about the rewards? Or was that someone else. The changes to rewards shouldn't affect you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 4:02:07 GMT -5
Divine Thunder The problem is the LQ population pool is already comparatively small and if you remove the, let's say, 50% of people there purely for resources, each consecutive match is going to have the same 3 people on each team. So not only are you taking gold and silver away from people who genuinely enjoy the LQ experience, you are potentially ruining the experience altogether. In fact with pilots under level 15 gone and farmers gone, LQ might not even be feasible. It will literally be one on one matches or 2 minute waits for the match to begin. At a certain point it would make more sense to just get rid of LQ altogether and employ some other anti leaving mechanism. Even in the regular queueing in iOS you often run into the same players over and over. A sign I suspect that less upper league people are playing the game. I find the apparent lack of numbers doubtful. There are whole clans of tankers around. Until the LQ opened up matches were a nightmare to play due to the sheer volume of tankers. Pretty much all the tankers on here keep climing that they're in the LQ because it's more fun, better than the normal leagues, blah blah but never about it being to farm resources. So, those players, presumably, have no reason to leave the LQ and numbers will remain the same. |
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Post by frunobulax on May 4, 2017 7:53:19 GMT -5
Diminished rewards will likely drastically reduce the number of players in LQ. great to see a response to these issues. How and if they choose to address fading will be tue next interesting point. The result will be that many tankers will return to "normal" play, and find ways to circumvent the LQ. With the event going on it seems that most tankers went to the LQ, I had noticably less tankers in my games. It sure feels bitter to know that cheaters will finish the event tasks much more easily, but hey, at least my games have been decent, mostly. But I have given up hope that Pixo will at some point realize that the only way to solve this is to eliminate the incentives for tanking, i.e. go back to hangar based matchmaking. |
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Post by maxboxer on May 4, 2017 7:59:33 GMT -5
Just to undersand...i don't Like to leave the game, i usually play untill i've a shadow pf bot to use...but everyway sometimes i' forcing to leave, maybe For important phone call, or maybe becausr my game frozen and i must restart my device...for this, i'm in the LQ or not?
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Post by sethile on May 4, 2017 8:34:10 GMT -5
Just to undersand...i don't Like to leave the game, i usually play untill i've a shadow pf bot to use...but everyway sometimes i' forcing to leave, maybe For important phone call, or maybe becausr my game frozen and i must restart my device...for this, i'm in the LQ or not? You have to hit the trigger a few times. Anywhere between 5 and 10. Some say three, but that's incorrect. Generally the trigger is leaving the match before countdown (Leaver) or leaving the game once it starts (Tanker). If you skip maps, you are a Leaver and will end up in the LQ. But a phonecall here and there won't put you in it. |
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Post by sethile on May 4, 2017 8:45:06 GMT -5
I'm unsure why there is so much angst I this forum against those that are in the LQ.
By definition they are not in the Normal queue so their actions from that point on are immaterial to you, your games or your rewards.
The LQ was meant to be punishment but instead it's a whole ball of fun, with the same rewards available. Now it attracts a bunch of players.
I know the LQ allows my team to squad a lot more, as any member with Mechs is welcome to join in without fear of not being competitive.
Almost all of my current team now play the "Darkside" and we love it.
If it wasn't for the LQ a lot of players would turn into Tank/Clubbers. LQ gives fun, rewards and progression.
Those that want enjoy aspects of the game will always seek them out.
Most gamers will always utilise in game mechanics to maximise their own enjoyment or rewards. Its basic human nature.
I dislike Tankers in normal games, but the LQ has reduced that significantly. So in that regard it's working.
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Post by maxboxer on May 4, 2017 10:00:15 GMT -5
I'm unsure why there is so much angst I this forum against those that are in the LQ. By definition they are not in the Normal queue so their actions from that point on are immaterial to you, your games or your rewards. The LQ was meant to be punishment but instead it's a whole ball of fun, with the same rewards available. Now it attracts a bunch of players. I know the LQ allows my team to squad a lot more, as any member with Mechs is welcome to join in without fear of not being competitive. Almost all of my current team now play the "Darkside" and we love it. If it wasn't for the LQ a lot of players would turn into Tank/Clubbers. LQ gives fun, rewards and progression. Those that want enjoy aspects of the game will always seek them out. Most gamers will always utilise in game mechanics to maximise their own enjoyment or rewards. Its basic human nature. I dislike Tankers in normal games, but the LQ has reduced that significantly. So in that regard it's working. I play alongside my clan's member even when i'm sure to Lose the game - and when you play whith guys that have tree slot with low level bot you surely Lose...-even this means i'm not able to reach higher League... |
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on May 4, 2017 10:01:36 GMT -5
I'm unsure why there is so much angst I this forum against those that are in the LQ. By definition they are not in the Normal queue so their actions from that point on are immaterial to you, your games or your rewards. The LQ was meant to be punishment but instead it's a whole ball of fun, with the same rewards available. Now it attracts a bunch of players. I know the LQ allows my team to squad a lot more, as any member with Mechs is welcome to join in without fear of not being competitive. Almost all of my current team now play the "Darkside" and we love it. If it wasn't for the LQ a lot of players would turn into Tank/Clubbers. LQ gives fun, rewards and progression. Those that want enjoy aspects of the game will always seek them out. Most gamers will always utilise in game mechanics to maximise their own enjoyment or rewards. Its basic human nature. I dislike Tankers in normal games, but the LQ has reduced that significantly. So in that regard it's working. I don't give a monkey's what "fun, rewards and progression you get", as long as once you're in LQ, you're in it for good. But if you have a chance of coming out of LQ better off than someone who spent the same amount of time in the normal game, I'll be annoyed. |
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