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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 7:07:23 GMT -5
Small update today, a lot of things this month on the Pixo front have been focused on things we already know about and the Community Roundtable, but here's a couple tidbits.
4/27
Leavers' Queues
The Leavers' Queue (Android) was disabled for a week following the rollout of the Moon map. Pixonic felt that more people who didn't normally map skip might be tempted to do so to see the new map, so they in essence gave a tacit permission for doing so. It has now been turned back on.
iOS will follow, probably after the same period of time.
Community Roundtable
Look for an article from Pixo next week about what they took away from the Roundtable- and how they'll be using that information.
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Post by ouch on Apr 27, 2017 8:17:18 GMT -5
Can one of our Pixonic insiders please contact Pixonic ASAP to find out why map skipping (not tanking) is now considered the punishable crime in the game when it never impacted the game before.
If the answer is the new matchmaker cant find replacements as quickly as the old matchmaker did than it is a Pixonic problem and players should not be penalised.
If the answer is the matchmaker can find replacements as quickly as the old matchmaker but that play activity is down since the introduction of leagues than again that is a Pixonic problem and players should not be penalised.
If you skip a map without dropping a bot during the countdown timer you neither win or lose points for that game, so the game recognises that you werent there, therefore no penalty can be applied.
If the LQ is no longer the solution for tanking what is Pixonics solution to immediately stop overpowered bots and weapons being used in lower leagues? It seems that Pixonics anti tanking measures are impacting everyone except tankers!
If Pixonic are going to penalise people by putting them in a seperate queue for not playing a certain way than I want a seperate queue set up for anyone playing 4 bot or less hangers because those players are negatively effecting my games.
Look forward to hear Pixonics response.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 8:30:15 GMT -5
ouch I don't approve of map-skipping, so it won't be me. Maybe one of the others, dunno...
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Post by ouch on Apr 27, 2017 8:39:35 GMT -5
Whether you approve or not its a legitimate question and one that should be answered by Pixonic.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 8:44:38 GMT -5
Whether you approve or not its a legitimate question and one that should be answered by Pixonic. Sure, go for it, I'm not impeding you.  |
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Post by ouch on Apr 27, 2017 8:51:45 GMT -5
You are one of our Pixonic Insiders, as such you have a direct line of communication to the developers so can get an answer quicker than any ordinary player. Low level players are suffeing in the LQ, I am afraid I dont understand your reluctance to ask Pixonic a question through the insider channel.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -5
You are one of our Pixonic Insiders, as such you have a direct line of communication to the developers so can get an answer quicker than any ordinary player. Low level players are suffeing in the LQ, I am afraid I dont understand your reluctance to ask Pixonic a question through the insider channel. If your position is that map-skipping should be enabled or unpunished, I'm not going to help you. It's a non-starter, I'm sorry mate. If your position is that newer players don't know that map-skipping comes with a peril and it's only fair to warn them, then I agree with you, but this is already known by Pixonic and there's no reason to ask them again. The way you phrased your initial query seemed to point to the first... but I could be mistaken. |
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Post by ANARCHY on Apr 27, 2017 9:15:07 GMT -5
Not able to skip maps force players to have a well rounded hanger going to battles.
There was a time when certain very high gold clan only play dead city and power plant w 5 griffins hangers
Griffins will not dominate in other open maps; therefore, it would be fair to force players to be challenged with more well-rounded hangers ready to battle for ALL maps
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Post by ouch on Apr 27, 2017 9:16:42 GMT -5
No I dont think map skipping should be punished. In the old matchmaker it had zero effect on the game and I havent seen anything other then anecdotal evidence raised on this forum to prove its effecting the gameplay now.
Out of interest how many people on this forum have to ask you as an Insider to ask Pixonic a question in order for you to raise it with them, even if its something you dont agree with? Not trying to be argumentative, as a new forum member it would be good to know for future reference.
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Post by Why? on Apr 27, 2017 9:24:15 GMT -5
I do not think as a Pixonic Insider, he has the office to "raise" questions with Pixonic. As far as I have seen, Insiders are giving us news, not participating in a dialogue with them as such. Also they do not have the liability to ask questions even if raised by ALL forum members. More like, they can, but they don't have to.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 9:32:40 GMT -5
I do not think as a Pixonic Insider, he has the office to "raise" questions with Pixonic. As far as I have seen, Insiders are giving us news, not participating in a dialogue with them as such. Also they do not have the liability to ask questions even if raised by ALL forum members. More like, they can, but they don't have to. I don't mind the ask, ouch. In fact, I applaud the initiative in trying to learn the ways and customs of a board you're new at! But Why? is right. It's not a duty or obligation to serve as an individual ombudsman for Pixonic, but rather a general liaison between company and community. Now, that's not to say that from time to time we don't do that- quite the opposite, which is why I suggested another Forum Insider might be willing to go to bat on this. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 9:33:48 GMT -5
As for the effect on gameplay, you don't need anecdotal evidence. If I build a hangar custom for Power Plant and skip every ohter map, then I have gamed the system for a competitive advantage. I feel that's wrong, you don't appear to, and on we go...
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Post by K A Z on Apr 27, 2017 9:36:28 GMT -5
I'm skipping no maps (in +/- 2000 games I had so far, I did it maybe 2...3 times), but tbh I see no point in penalizing it. Better this than having someone wait through a game on an unwanted map, reaching his/hers 20% performance or so.
After MM, leagues and tanker problems are fixed, I guess it (stopping ppl from skipping maps) would be a reasonable implementation, but only after real issues are solved. Then it would indeed serve the game well, by promoting diverse hangars and stopping the idiotic matches such as sniper vs sniper show (some campers used to skip all maps except SF and Yama).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 9:43:23 GMT -5
Can one of our Pixonic insiders please contact Pixonic ASAP to find out why map skipping (not tanking) is now considered the punishable crime in the game when it never impacted the game before. If the answer is the new matchmaker cant find replacements as quickly as the old matchmaker did than it is a Pixonic problem and players should not be penalised. If the answer is the matchmaker can find replacements as quickly as the old matchmaker but that play activity is down since the introduction of leagues than again that is a Pixonic problem and players should not be penalised. If you skip a map without dropping a bot during the countdown timer you neither win or lose points for that game, so the game recognises that you werent there, therefore no penalty can be applied. If the LQ is no longer the solution for tanking what is Pixonics solution to immediately stop overpowered bots and weapons being used in lower leagues? It seems that Pixonics anti tanking measures are impacting everyone except tankers! If Pixonic are going to penalise people by putting them in a seperate queue for not playing a certain way than I want a seperate queue set up for anyone playing 4 bot or less hangers because those players are negatively effecting my games. Look forward to hear Pixonics response. Stop map skipping, simple. Having a hangar geared to one or two maps of the game directly interferes with other players' experiences. It also gives you a much greater advantage. |
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Post by ouch on Apr 27, 2017 9:56:05 GMT -5
If the argument against map skipping is competitive advantage, then anyone playing the game on a pc via an emulator is also against the rules, yet this forum has a guide telling people how to do it and in Weeds own words on that thread playing on a pc gives gim a huge advantage. Seems like people are keen to pick and choose what competive advantage is ok.
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Post by Why? on Apr 27, 2017 9:57:20 GMT -5
I'm skipping no maps (in +/- 2000 games I had so far, I did it maybe 2...3 times), but tbh I see no point in penalizing it. Better this than having someone wait through a game on an unwanted map, reaching his/hers 20% performance or so. After MM, leagues and tanker problems are fixed, I guess it (stopping ppl from skipping maps) would be a reasonable implementation, but only after real issues are solved. Then it would indeed serve the game well, by promoting diverse hangars and stopping the idiotic matches such as sniper vs sniper show (some campers used to skip all maps except SF and Yama). I don't think they are penalizing for that little skipping. I recently skipped Yama 3-4 times out of 20-ish games to try out my shiny new 5/5 Carny and nothing happened really. Still getting my 「bum-bum」 handed to me by sealclubbing 12/12s in Silver. |
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Post by Why? on Apr 27, 2017 10:04:26 GMT -5
If the argument against map skipping is competitive advantage, then anyone playing the game on a pc via an emulator is also against the rules, yet this forum has a guide telling people how to do it and in Weeds own words on that thread playing on a pc gives gim a huge advantage. Seems like people are keen to pick and choose what competive advantage is ok. I had a liasion with a Pix troubleshooter once. They said emulators are not supported(from a technical standpoint) but not illegal. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 10:06:39 GMT -5
If the argument against map skipping is competitive advantage, then anyone playing the game on a pc via an emulator is also against the rules, yet this forum has a guide telling people how to do it and in Weeds own words on that thread playing on a pc gives gim a huge advantage. Seems like people are keen to pick and choose what competive advantage is ok.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 10:12:37 GMT -5
I do not think as a Pixonic Insider, he has the office to "raise" questions with Pixonic. As far as I have seen, Insiders are giving us news, not participating in a dialogue with them as such. Also they do not have the liability to ask questions even if raised by ALL forum members. More like, they can, but they don't have to. If all 'Insiders' do is give news, I am sure that Pixonic can do that themselves. I feel that the Insiders should present certain things the majority forum says to Pixonic, just like a representative should. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 10:14:14 GMT -5
I do not think as a Pixonic Insider, he has the office to "raise" questions with Pixonic. As far as I have seen, Insiders are giving us news, not participating in a dialogue with them as such. Also they do not have the liability to ask questions even if raised by ALL forum members. More like, they can, but they don't have to. If all 'Insiders' do is give news, I am sure that Pixonic can do that themselves. I feel that the Insiders should present certain things the majority forum says to Pixonic, just like a representative should. We absolutely pass along things that we feel should be brought to their attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 10:15:23 GMT -5
If all 'Insiders' do is give news, I am sure that Pixonic can do that themselves. I feel that the Insiders should present certain things the majority forum says to Pixonic, just like a representative should. We absolutely pass along things that we feel should be brought to their attention. Are you restricted in releasing what Pixonic responds with, regarding those problems? |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 10:26:06 GMT -5
We absolutely pass along things that we feel should be brought to their attention. Are you restricted in releasing what Pixonic responds with, regarding those problems? There are times we are told information that we've been asked not to disclose, yes. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Apr 27, 2017 15:34:24 GMT -5
As for the effect on gameplay, you don't need anecdotal evidence. If I build a hangar custom for Power Plant and skip every ohter map, then I have gamed the system for a competitive advantage. I feel that's wrong, you don't appear to, and on we go... Is it possible that people dont play all maps not to gain some advantage, but simply do not like certain large maps? Its a game, and its about having fun. Certain maps arent fun to play especially solo. Its not always about gaining an "advantage" as much as it is about enjoying the game. Just throwing that out there as a different point of view.. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 16:06:20 GMT -5
</div>It is. We talked about this a little earlier in clan chat, it it crystallized for me that skipping is less the issue than system gaming is. I still don't like skippingl but if someone's not tailoring a hangar to a narrower map selection and just saying, "screw it, I'm not running across Springfield one more damn time tonight," that's a much less objectionable thing for me. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Apr 27, 2017 16:13:35 GMT -5
</div>and honestly, Thats how I ended up in the LQ. after an hour of nothing but Springfield and Snowmap one night, I was like " firetruck this! im tried of running across these big maps!" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 16:21:32 GMT -5
MM loves pairing me up on my most hated maps. I have had all maps on Yamateau and Moon today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 16:36:25 GMT -5
Ouch, you do not need validation. Your questions are something that someone, especially PIX should answer.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 27, 2017 17:26:27 GMT -5
I'm skipping no maps (in +/- 2000 games I had so far, I did it maybe 2...3 times), but tbh I see no point in penalizing it. Better this than having someone wait through a game on an unwanted map, reaching his/hers 20% performance or so. After MM, leagues and tanker problems are fixed, I guess it (stopping ppl from skipping maps) would be a reasonable implementation, but only after real issues are solved. Then it would indeed serve the game well, by promoting diverse hangars and stopping the idiotic matches such as sniper vs sniper show (some campers used to skip all maps except SF and Yama). It's not a penalty, LQ is a reward. =) |
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Post by Strayed on Apr 27, 2017 20:05:09 GMT -5
If the argument against map skipping is competitive advantage, then anyone playing the game on a pc via an emulator is also against the rules, yet this forum has a guide telling people how to do it and in Weeds own words on that thread playing on a pc gives gim a huge advantage. Seems like people are keen to pick and choose what competive advantage is ok. In my opinion, emulators do not give you a competitive advantage due to how buggy they are, your fire button constantly gets stuck, your movement keys constantly get suck, sometimes you can't turn the screen smoothly, etc. In addition to that, War Robots's controls were designed for mobile, not pc(Such as having a full 360 range of movement on mobile but only having 8 directions on pc). While the mouse does give you an aiming advantage, that is balanced out by other issues in my opinion. In addition, we are not Pixonic, Dredd is only giving his opinion on why Pixonic might have done what they have done, please direct your questions to Pixonic, not us. As an FYI, I do agree that map skipping shouldn't be punished, mainly because of how much I hate Springfield. |
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Post by [apotheosis] on Apr 27, 2017 20:12:45 GMT -5
I really have nothing.to add to this topic but a semi related question.
Who are the insiders? Is there a list somewhere? How did they become insiders? Is there an avenue to become an insider?
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