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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 20:15:06 GMT -5
I really have nothing.to add to this topic but a semi related question. Who are the insiders? Is there a list somewhere? How did they become insiders? Is there an avenue to become an insider? All the mods and admins are insiders. I have no idea how they became insiders, but I assume that the devs wanted to communicate and reach out to the community. The only way to become an insider is to become a mod or admin. |
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Post by Strayed on Apr 27, 2017 20:18:46 GMT -5
There are other insiders such as Adrian and other famous youtubers. Not sure about the War Robots Player's Page though.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 27, 2017 20:58:29 GMT -5
There are other insiders such as Adrian and other famous youtubers. Not sure about the War Robots Player's Page though. Yeah, there are more Insiders through other avenues than there are through the Forum, I believe. So being a community contributor is another path to go, for sure. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on Apr 29, 2017 11:06:04 GMT -5
I really have nothing.to add to this topic but a semi related question. Who are the insiders? Is there a list somewhere? How did they become insiders? Is there an avenue to become an insider? Yes... You need a Zillion Cups.. And A Blood Sacrifice is Required.. :-) |
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Post by [apotheosis] on Apr 29, 2017 12:48:18 GMT -5
I really have nothing.to add to this topic but a semi related question. Who are the insiders? Is there a list somewhere? How did they become insiders? Is there an avenue to become an insider? Yes... You need a Zillion Cups.. And A Blood Sacrifice is Required.. :-) Man, everything I get into requires a blood sacrifice. The folks in the neighborhood are starting to miss thier pets as it is. |
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Post by every1jockzjay on Apr 29, 2017 19:24:51 GMT -5
I read somewhere by pix that they arent going to punish skipping maps once in a while... but if you want a hangar full of knifers you should stay and get ur 「bum-bum」 kicked on mid-long range maps, most players use one mid or long range bot in their hangar and when we play dead city that bot is a waste... if you dont want mid or long range bots buy more ancilots, or squad with people that have tt furys. Constant map skipping isnt what the game is about, and if u skip to much u should get sent to a tanker legue and u can skip all you want there lol
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 11:46:32 GMT -5
As for the effect on gameplay, you don't need anecdotal evidence. If I build a hangar custom for Power Plant and skip every ohter map, then I have gamed the system for a competitive advantage. I feel that's wrong, you don't appear to, and on we go... Is it possible that people dont play all maps not to gain some advantage, but simply do not like certain large maps? Its a game, and its about having fun. Certain maps arent fun to play especially solo. Its not always about gaining an "advantage" as much as it is about enjoying the game. Just throwing that out there as a different point of view.. Can I skip 2nd base, it's not fun to run that far and after all it's just a game. |
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Post by Scuzzbopper on May 1, 2017 11:51:53 GMT -5
</div>When I first read this I thought you were talking about sex. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 12:17:35 GMT -5
</div>When I first read this I thought you were talking about sex. This are not bases I would recommend skipping |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 1, 2017 12:19:33 GMT -5
</div>When I first read this I thought you were talking about sex. MEE TOOO! I was like... wait... why skip it? |
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 13:08:53 GMT -5
</div>When I first read this I thought you were talking about sex. MEE TOOO! I was like... wait... why skip it? Should have known to pick a different metaphor with this crowd.... ? |
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Post by GuitarGuy on May 1, 2017 13:44:40 GMT -5
</div>Not a very fair analogy. Choosing to not play a map at the moment you see it and leaving does not effect anyones gameplay as the MM fills the spot with another player. Skipping second base would be more like Tanking which does effect everyones game. Leaving matches before they start and tanking a match intentionally are not the same thing. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 1, 2017 13:54:19 GMT -5
</div>That is not the argument against it GG... it is that having a hangar geared towards either a Long Ranged map or a Short Ranged map, nay, not just geared but a hangar that is SPECIALIZED for that map, makes it unfair to those who play what they are given and have a balanced hangar. i.e., 5 Lances that are optimized for SR. I can't say I have been swayed on that one... I am firmly on the fence. Just clarifying the argument. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 14:18:00 GMT -5
</div></div>I would agree that under the old Tier system it wouldn't matter & I wouldn't care. In this league system for one to move up, one must move down. Playing a specialized hanger & skipping maps you are not suited for is giving you an unfair advantage over people who play the WHOLE game & because of the way the league system works it makes it an unfair practice. The biggest problem IMO is that Pix needs to stop giving the same maps in a row & should go even further, categorizing them & offer you a balance of long/short range maps with Shenzhen being a bit of both. There should also be a warning that says: You have skipped X out of X matches, if you skip X more maps within the next X matches you will be placed in the Leaver Que. When in the leaver Que you should be updated like a task: Get Out Of Purgatory! Complete 6 full matches..... progress 3/6 etc. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on May 1, 2017 14:40:54 GMT -5
and as I stated in the beginning. I understand using a specialty hangar to play only one type of map. That is not what im getting at. I run a balanced hangar and will play pretty much all maps except Springfield solo. Im not set up to be Optimized for certain maps, I just dont enjoy that map, and It seems I get it more times in a row than all others combined. Many people keep falling back on specialty as the main reason people only play select maps and while im not discounting that as the main motivator for people to do it, in other words to gain an advantage by running certain mechs, Im saying its not the ONLY reason people skip maps. I love Canyon map and will play it all the time, just as I love Dead City and Powerplant. I run the same hangars for both. I just dont like Springfield. The whole purpose of my original post was to show that there are more than one reason to skip a map and it isnt always about trying to game the system.
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 14:55:13 GMT -5
</div>I 100% agree with you & did not intend to implicate that you were "Gaming the system" yourself. The majority of people that skips map are in the same category as yourself. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those who DO & that is why it needs to be prevented. The real problem is the map rotation itself & the "Way" the leaver que has been implemented, which is par for the course with Pix. I think a warning that if you skip the next map you will be penalized would be an easy quick fix, just so you are aware & might decide to "suffer through" a map you don't particularly like. That would really only help if they fixed the map rotation. |
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Post by GuitarGuy on May 1, 2017 15:27:34 GMT -5
Agreed, I think warnings like that would be very helpful to many players. Just like Caustic Grip had suggested, If Pix had made the old MM hangar system transparent and told players "your hangar has a weapon/bot that is not in tier and will push you to the next tier, do you wish to continue?" would have solved many problems. I think it would be a great idea if PIX let people pick what maps they wanted to play, that way you could set for a particular map and EVERYONE could be afforded the same advantage, also it would allow PIX to get demographic on which maps people prefer. I think they did a great job on the moon map and would love to see more maps in that were so well designed.
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 15:36:30 GMT -5
</div>That's true he did. He also said he forgot to tell Pix to implement a Hotfix because when he cherry picks his maps with his all QCC hanger he winds up in the leaver que  He is not representative of those who just "don't like" certain maps & is representative of those that are seeking advantage. I would love for people to be able to pick and choose maps & gear levels but in a comparative ranking system, it cannot be so. Allowing specialization/map skipping then forces everyone to do it, otherwise, they will be at a disadvantage. A comparative progression model means a level playing field needs to be enforced. Otherwise, we might as well just make two separate games. One for snipers & one for knifers. The game is designed around having your hanger balanced to have a solution for multiple ranges/opponents, very rock/paper/scissor & is the best way to keep as many variations viable as possible. An all QCC or All sniper league would have very little variety and get boring fast. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 1, 2017 15:41:08 GMT -5
Damn good back and forth gents... both points well made and are reflective of problems that are themselves symptoms of a completely different cause.
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 1, 2017 15:44:16 GMT -5
I've seen all Fury camper YouTube videos before. That is the mind-numbingly boring ugly side of the specialization coin. ![]()  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:06:31 GMT -5
If the argument against map skipping is competitive advantage, then anyone playing the game on a pc via an emulator is also against the rules, yet this forum has a guide telling people how to do it and in Weeds own words on that thread playing on a pc gives gim a huge advantage. Seems like people are keen to pick and choose what competive advantage is ok. I had a liasion with a Pix troubleshooter once. They said emulators are not supported(from a technical standpoint) but not illegal. That doesn't change the fact that emulators provide a significant advantage. People who whine about people seeking an advantage are hypocrites if they use an emulator. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:13:38 GMT -5
</div></div>Can I use an aluminum bat in pro baseball, it's just a different tool, like an emulator, used to hit the ball, and after all it's just a game. Edit: Dunno what happened. When I tried to post this everything went haywire with the forums and everything in quotes for me disappeared. |
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Post by Strayed on May 3, 2017 3:28:38 GMT -5
I had a liasion with a Pix troubleshooter once. They said emulators are not supported(from a technical standpoint) but not illegal. That doesn't change the fact that emulators provide a significant advantage. People who whine about people seeking an advantage are hypocrites if they use an emulator. Pasted from above: "In my opinion, emulators do not give you a competitive advantage due to how buggy they are, your fire button constantly gets stuck, your movement keys constantly get suck, sometimes you can't turn the screen smoothly, etc. In addition to that, War Robots's controls were designed for mobile, not pc(Such as having a full 360 range of movement on mobile but only having 8 directions on pc). While the mouse does give you an aiming advantage, that is balanced out by other issues in my opinion." Not factoring lag into the equation, in almost any situation in War Robots, I would use a tablet over memu. It's not only what I grew into the game with, but what the game was designed for, for example, using a rhino in memu feels awkward for me. The main advantage of an emulator would be less lag and more precise aiming, which is mostly countered by the sheer number of bugs and the fact that mobile games are usually not designed for an emulator. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/How_to%3A_Play_on_PCLook at the bugfixes section here, imagine having to bugfix every 30 seconds or less while in combat. Please use an emulator before casting your opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 4:17:08 GMT -5
That doesn't change the fact that emulators provide a significant advantage. People who whine about people seeking an advantage are hypocrites if they use an emulator. Pasted from above: "In my opinion, emulators do not give you a competitive advantage due to how buggy they are, your fire button constantly gets stuck, your movement keys constantly get suck, sometimes you can't turn the screen smoothly, etc. In addition to that, War Robots's controls were designed for mobile, not pc(Such as having a full 360 range of movement on mobile but only having 8 directions on pc). While the mouse does give you an aiming advantage, that is balanced out by other issues in my opinion." Not factoring lag into the equation, in almost any situation in War Robots, I would use a tablet over memu. It's not only what I grew into the game with, but what the game was designed for, for example, using a rhino in memu feels awkward for me. The main advantage of an emulator would be less lag and more precise aiming, which is mostly countered by the sheer number of bugs and the fact that mobile games are usually not designed for an emulator. warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/How_to%3A_Play_on_PCLook at the bugfixes section here, imagine having to bugfix every 30 seconds or less while in combat. Please use an emulator before casting your opinion. I have loaded an emulator on my ROG laptop. Please actually know your subject before making assumptions about them. It's 「fluffernutter」ing easy as hell to be super accurate when jumping etcetera with a mouse. I don't use it, because I move around a lot and almost never drag my gaming laptop with me (I'm in Cambodia right now). I have recommended to a friend to try one to make his life a bit easier based on what I experienced when I toyed around with it. Try again. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on May 3, 2017 9:53:41 GMT -5
Someone with a nice high performing tablet also has an advantage over me when I play on my Nexus 5x. What makes you successful in this game is situational awareness & the ability to coordinate without communication. That's what makes good players. If I connect to an OTG cable to my Android & use a controller or key/mouse is that also unfair? Coms are not built in game, discord is unfair, & I suppose Every PC gamer who invested in gamer quality key/mouse with programmable keys is also cheating? I have just finished getting Android running direct on PC, no emulation. Now it's an Android device ice with keyboard & mouse, you can have that with any phone or tablet
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He is not representative of those who just "don't like" certain maps & is representative of those that are seeking advantage.