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Post by Blurred Vision on Apr 21, 2017 13:34:20 GMT -5
And the sooner you accept that and get used to it, the easier it becomes to play, and the happier you'll (hopefully) be.
Why do I say it's rigged, because how else could I lose 20% off my win rate, AvDam, and kills per match in five days if it isn't? My lineup hasn't changed (in fact, weapons are slowly being upgraded and getting stronger). I haven't all of a sudden become a worse pilot. Our performance and/or success as pilots (until we reach 12/12 maxed hangars) will be solely dictated by the competition Pixonic's MM throws at us.
And right now, Pixonic loves to bait you/me/us. The matches are "easy" for a while, until you reach the boundary of being promoted to a higher level of your league, and then BOOM! they drop the bomb. In iOS, I've progressed through to the very upper bounds of Expert I, on the threshold of Masters III when I start to lose, to the tune of ~100 league points each day. Yes, I know that playing in upper leagues should be tough, I get it. What I'd like to see is a uniform level of competition throughout a tier, even as you begin to rise and get promoted. The game shouldn't all of a sudden become nearly impossible/unwinnable at given points, but it is.
I've seen some clanmates totally lose their 「dookie」 and leave the clan (maybe even the game) over a bad day or three. Frankly, I think Pixo may be doing the game more harm than good when this happens. I know that this experience crosses platforms and leagues; it's not an isolated occurrence or experience.
So, personally, I stopped giving a 「fluffernutter」 about league points. I try my damnedest to win, capping beacons and playing a good team game, but so much of "success" in War Robots is now dictated by how close you are to the league/level boundary, who you're paired with, and against. It seems that, up to the 12/12 levels, little of the success factor is actually due to individual performance; it's all in the MM and what Pixo wants to do to you. I have bad days, and during losing streaks like this I put the game down early instead of playing a few more matches, resigned to the cliche "it is what it is". Instead of questioning my skills or hangar setup, I have to remind myself that the sudden lack of Ws and success is not my fault, and it's unavoidable.
So, if you're pissed off about the game, just stop giving a 「fluffernutter」! Accept the situation for what it is, play your best, try your hardest, and just have fun.
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Post by titando on Apr 21, 2017 14:55:32 GMT -5
That's exactly right!
What always happens to me, is I sit at about 62-64% win rate for a day or two, then wham, I'm dropped to 36%. I didn't change the way I play or anything else. I look at the red team's bots, and their all 3-4 levels above mine.
I don't care what skill level you have, level 8-9 cannot compete with 11-12.
So, now when that happens, I start intentionally losing, so I drop down a league or 2. Then I can start winning again and getting gold. I end up at about 28% before climbing back up again.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Apr 21, 2017 15:25:06 GMT -5
I lost track how many times I've said this...it's match fixing.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Apr 21, 2017 15:38:10 GMT -5
oh and your last remark is correct and most important......have fun! Stop being so serious about it I think winning is fun. |
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Apr 21, 2017 17:18:08 GMT -5
When expectation doesn't match reality, people are going to get frustrated.
I don't think it's a great idea for Pixonic to rig the match-maker, but I also don't know if it makes them money...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 17:21:02 GMT -5
It's just part of business for Pix to fix the matches to some extent - they want to encourage certain behaviors and the MM provides a strong lever to make that happen. It does come off as being fairly sleazy, but the rewards of good are mainly spiritual and Pix is in it for the $$$.
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Post by lumpybump on Apr 21, 2017 17:55:15 GMT -5
I still can't quite put this into words but I'm going to have a go at it. The thing that most bothers me about the current MM is "Unfair Teams" and this is two parts where tankers/leavers are the other part. The MM will sometimes place a complete additional player in league points on the Red team. One thing I haven't looked for yet but am interested in is win rate of teammates when you are over 60 and under 40 percent. To me the intentional use of unfair teams is extremely off putting.
Also how does maintaining a ~50% win rate create a spending motive for the player? Consider that with [league point] balanced teams if one did exceed teammates in gear choice, have a decent strategic and tactical understanding of the game, and at least average piloting why wouldn't they increase in league rating until the only things that would facilitate further progress are either/or getting better at piloting, figuring out a strategic/tactical lever, spending money for better gear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 18:02:12 GMT -5
Telling some us to just get used to it, doesn't quite fly.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 21, 2017 18:23:18 GMT -5
The farthest you can go and still hope to be accurate is to say that the matchmaker is "stacked" against you, because that's the design. To say that it is "rigged" or "fixed" is to stretch those words to fit.
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Post by stygianumbra on Apr 21, 2017 20:11:53 GMT -5
The farthest you can go and still hope to be accurate is to say that the matchmaker is "stacked" against you, because that's the design. To say that it is "rigged" or "fixed" is to stretch those words to fit. More specifically freemium game economics are stacked against the player of said freemium game. Pixonic rigged their games(like any good money worshipping corporation) to be an economically viable freemium game. Since pixonic feigns attention to mass player satisfaction while obviously focusing on profitability it is perfectly acceptable to call the game rigged by nature of its definition. |
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Post by lordofthesalt on Apr 21, 2017 20:33:56 GMT -5
All of my yes! This put my it better than I ever could.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 21, 2017 20:36:49 GMT -5
The farthest you can go and still hope to be accurate is to say that the matchmaker is "stacked" against you, because that's the design. To say that it is "rigged" or "fixed" is to stretch those words to fit. More specifically freemium game economics are stacked against the player of said freemium game. Pixonic rigged their games(like any good money worshipping corporation) to be an economically viable freemium game. Since pixonic feigns attention to mass player satisfaction while obviously focusing on profitability it is perfectly acceptable to call the game rigged by nature of its definition.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 22:15:30 GMT -5
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
the game exists to MAKE MONEY!
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Post by zeus on Apr 21, 2017 22:17:41 GMT -5
This is why there are so many tankers suppressing their hangars. It's not surprising to see 11/12 hangars in iOS diamonds and low experts.
It's annoying to get teamed with champions and masters when you're 9/9. You tend to miss out on the gold. Then when they pair you up with diamonds and low experts, most of them turn out to be overgrown hangars at 10/10 and up. You miss out on the gold again. This is what the current MM and league is like.
Am I supposed to tank and suppress my own hangar to low diamonds to adjust to everyone artificially controlling their league advancement and the MM choosing to pair 9/9s with 12/12s so I can make a decent attempt at earning some gold off playing normal games?
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Post by brudeldischarge on Apr 22, 2017 0:05:21 GMT -5
Pixonic is just trolling everyone with hope of fixxing mm.
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Post by Vectivus on Apr 24, 2017 16:53:48 GMT -5
Methinks there's a lot of tinfoil hat stuff going on in here. Yeah, you get to a point that you're doing the yo-yo thing with your win rate until you can build a strong enough hangar to bust up into the next tier, at which point the process repeats. Yeah, it's a little easier to do that if you can drop some cash on the game to make your upward progress faster.
But it's not "rigged". If you're getting that angry over a system that's working as designed, take a step back and go play something else for a while.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Apr 24, 2017 22:25:44 GMT -5
Leagues don't mean 「dookie」. Yep the yo-yo effect happens. Sometimes you're the hammer and sometimes you're the nail. I personally love the downward part of the yo-yo. I become a god on the battlefield. Would you really have fun in gold one when you play alot and get win percent based on good teams when you have a silver 3 hanger? Remember no matter how well you do you are only one member of a team. You can change the outcome of some battles sure. But really you are at the mercy of the quality of your team. And you might be on a loaded team....all tanks. No speedy bots to go get beacons. Mass damage and loss. All speedy bots? Battle of attrition. You run out of bots. Teams have to have smart players but they also need balance. Who doesn't love being on the top of the boards? Who doesn't love gold? If you try to go for being in top league and you aren't on point you get neither. Take it for what it is. Challenge yourself against that tough competition and then apply that knowledge to destroy all when you hit the bottom of the yo-yo
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Post by rollinfknpower on Apr 24, 2017 22:32:09 GMT -5
For those of you in the upper leagues grind it out. Become a better player than them. They are used to obliterating you and lose the skills because they have so much power. Use that cover. Use strategy. Use your corners to fire from. Outsmart them. And then when you do get your bots up there you can come bully the next gen of players cause you know you will  |
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 24, 2017 22:33:53 GMT -5
The farthest you can go and still hope to be accurate is to say that the matchmaker is "stacked" against you, because that's the design. To say that it is "rigged" or "fixed" is to stretch those words to fit. SMH, always viewing Pixonic through that rose-tinted judge visor. Pixonic dangles a small carrot called the League Advancement Award, then "stacks" the matchmaker against players. No surprise people who care about their league scores are frustrated. So Pixonic is intentionally frustrating its playerbase and seems to be losing money doing it.  For those of us who don't care about our league score, the MM is quite a bit of fun.  |
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Post by BLYTHE on Apr 24, 2017 23:05:48 GMT -5
I've stopped caring about league standing as it had become a constant source of frustration. With the old MM, I'd pick up my phone and play some War Robots to unwind. Now I need to play at my best all the time; otherwise I drop to a lower tier. My job's stressful enough as it is to worry about some stupid League.
So, yeah, play it however suits you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 2:06:02 GMT -5
If the odds favor the house, fold, and play again later
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Post by splitsticks on Apr 25, 2017 23:41:08 GMT -5
I find myself joining games and hoping not to win, but to have a fair match. It isn't about winning or losing, gold or silver, it's that I keep desperately hoping this game can be something that it isn't: fun.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Apr 27, 2017 21:41:51 GMT -5
I do the same thing. Play for fun. Premium bots put you into a higher bracket it seems. That and learning how to drive them. Every time I buy a new bot I get shredded. Part because of my complete lack of skill in it and part because I'm against bots that are 10/12 and I'm 6/7. Not even that. I have alot of weapons still at 6 or even 5. I have the 5 bot hanger though and my base to push for elite tiers. Most others with those high lvl bots are either 4 or even 3 bot hangers. Decked out Leo's or carnage. I'm running 2 griffins. One rdb one taran aphid, a plasmahad an organ thunder Lance and a dB rhino. Just need to upgrade. Getting seal clubbed alot tho
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Post by infraviolet on Apr 27, 2017 23:04:07 GMT -5
Honestly I don't even care if I win or lose half of the time. I just like stacking up that free Au after knocking out the daily tasks, then using said Au to continue building a stronger hangar. And if I willingly fork over $20 every payday to get an Au boost, so be it.
I don't get caught up in all the MM or tanking drama, because there's always bigger problems in life. I just want to enjoy the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 1:19:21 GMT -5
Hum,......rigged vs stacked?
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Post by imnobody on May 3, 2017 8:07:05 GMT -5
MM is ?twinkle?
the mm algorhythm has a set of condition, apple vs orange. they're is no apple vs apple.
free mobile games tend to use these set strategy condition in their game mechanic.
It's a strategy by developers to make money by fooling naive people in to pressuring players to (insert real money) into the game. Their philosophy is that player's assume that all players need to pay to win. this is their way of income. yes this tactic does work overall at some degree. the system has a special mechanic that search for specific condition and cross examine particular set of rules to "favor" that particular player, these condition is skewed toward that player for them to win. In other words, the game is system is biased.
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Post by IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon. on May 5, 2017 18:48:32 GMT -5
I've just witnessed the most startling example of this. Im in the middle of an epic smackdown, from 70, relentlessly loosing for all sorts of weird and wacky reasons. I was just in a game, waaay ahead on beacons, had a full house and we know how fast that goes down and we had a strong lead too. when everyone else meched out. Not a problem I thought, there's nothing they can do now. Which would've been the case, if the beacon bar had continued moving. But it didn't. It just stopped moving. As they capped them it started acting as normal. It was so blatant as to be ridiculous. No lag or delay in the game. All fine till that point.
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Post by imnobody on May 6, 2017 4:13:17 GMT -5
I've just witnessed the most startling example of this. Im in the middle of an epic smackdown, from 70, relentlessly loosing for all sorts of weird and wacky reasons. I was just in a game, waaay ahead on beacons, had a full house and we know how fast that goes down and we had a strong lead too. when everyone else meched out. Not a problem I thought, there's nothing they can do now. Which would've been the case, if the beacon bar had continued moving. But it didn't. It just stopped moving. As they capped them it started acting as normal. It was so blatant as to be ridiculous. No lag or delay in the game. All fine till that point. I've seen games like those where we're about to lose and suddenly the game just turn over and we win. You scratch your head ask yourself how that is possible. match making system is too whack. What pix need to do is reconstruct their whole match making system. Anyway, if you want to really win a match you have to know how to read the game between the line. It a strange unorthodox to approach this way, but it really work. |
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Post by IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon. on May 6, 2017 5:27:11 GMT -5
I completely agree, there's so many clues as to what's happening in a match if you look close enough. One smackdown feature I've noticed is starting matches against undermanned teams is nearly always futile. By the first beacon they will be filled with very high level players. When this happens I'm almost always teamed with very low players.
I'm pretty sure I'm not in the LQ at present, having been well and truly stuck there before the update for always skipping yamantau since I reached a high enough level to realise it was futile against campers and not fun.
The main game is starting to feel like the Lq since the event though. Very noticeable rigging going on. The one that's annoyed me the most is the occasions where I've emptied point blank into robots and done nothing. Not lag either.
A glance at names and load outs is usually enough to indicate a win or lose in the first few seconds. That and the direction the other blues take. I've decided that if it's going to systematiclly drop me into matches loaded against me, then I may as well go back to Lq, so when that happens I'm punching out. It's no less fair to the others who've been deliberately placed in a doomed team alongside me.
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Post by crom on Sept 25, 2017 6:09:19 GMT -5
The farthest you can go and still hope to be accurate is to say that the matchmaker is "stacked" against you, because that's the design. To say that it is "rigged" or "fixed" is to stretch those words to fit. "Stacked against you" my foot...why do you have to sugarcoat something that's beyond doubt an unethical practice? Chest rewards is also a RIGGED model/algorithm so as to "push" players into paying for keys (or play continuously to amass more than a 1000 keys to have a remote chance of getting something of any worth). It's all rigged to bring players that don't want to pay a cent for the game, to despair and leave the game. This company is using unethical psychological tools (which will lead to its demise - I'm a chartered psychologist and used to be a member of the British psychological society) in order to induce addiction then blackmail you into paying so as to feel moderately competent. Lets don't kid ourselves, this game is for idiots, not rocket science by any means, the bots are modeled after the "stone, scissors, paper" game. Every weapon and bot has its "andidote". As soon as the player realises that it's all about beacons and time, the only thing to make you "a good player" is to have high level durable bots and 5 bot slots. That's the summary of the whole game. Pin it somewhere for all the current victimised kids (and future ones) to see. An unpleasant waste of time. P.S. I doubt that you'll pin it moderator because you are possibly part of the problem, maybe you are an employee of this company or you have some other kind of related interest. You are possibly going to erase it from here as well. |
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