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Post by B30RLL on Nov 18, 2016 1:34:07 GMT -5
(Select up to 3)
There are several threads with various opinions on this subject, thought would be good to put into data.
Hopefully can be helpful for pilots progressing towards a gold hanger (myself included).
I've only included the 'expensive' bots in respective currencies.
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Post by Strayed on Nov 18, 2016 1:41:19 GMT -5
The best bots for Gold Tier in no particular order would be:
Fury
Rhino
Galahad
Lancelot
Griffin
Carnage
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 18, 2016 2:13:26 GMT -5
Damn, can't vote Natasha 3x
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Post by Ron Gaul on Nov 18, 2016 2:15:16 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Strayed on the best bots list, however, im interpreting the question as "what are the bots you can't have a competitive Gold hangar without?"
It is possible to have a strong Gold hangar without a single Fury or Lancelot. There's plenty of 'em out there...I play in low/mid Gold tier, and I consistently do as well as or better than most similarly leveled hangars I encounter.
What three bots MUST one have, or have used, in order to build a strong Gold hangar?
In my opinion the three definitive Gold-tier bots are Griffin, Galahad, and Rhino. They're the three bots everyone should have for use in Gold tier.
Now, at the moment I'm not using a Griffin, and I own five...Griffin to me is the baseline Gold tier bot. I still swap one in and out of my hangar occasionally; usually an RDB setup. I'm not using my RDB Griff presently because I'm running five knifers, but it's my top reserve.
Galahad is possibly pound for pound the strongest bot in the game. Lancelot is stronger, Rhino and Griffin hit harder, but nothing quite strikes the Galahad's balance of speed, firepower, and toughness. Just played a match on Yamantu where at one point I held center beacon essentially alone against three consecutive knifer Leo's. And then dropped off the ramp and kicked the snot out of a plasma Griff and another Leo before red team crossfired me and finally took me down. If I could have only one bot on he list in the OP, I'll take the Galahad.
And of course there is the ubiquitous Rhino. Once the scourge of Gold tier and the terror of every Leo pilot, now less extraordinary but still massively powerful and one of the few bots capable of challenging a Lancelot in a head-on duel. Rhino is still the workhorse of Gold tier, capable of running beacons at high speed as well as sledgehammering the enemy lines. Tougher than Griffin or Galahad, but without Galahad's ability to fire while shielded and with less agility than either, Rhino is still capable of more sheer destruction than almost anything else.
I LOVE Carnage (own three, may buy a fourth), and I'm running a Leo knifer (which is pulling its weight), but they're not cornerstones. They're not irreplaceable, and it's possible to win without them. However I think any strong Gold hangar must contain at least one each of Griffin, Galahad, and Rhino, or should at least contain two out of those three.
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Nov 18, 2016 3:38:20 GMT -5
I use pdb rhino, two db griffs, thunder carnage and aphid Patton. The thunder carnage is potentially super fun but it's crap on large maps unless your lucky to be spawn raided and none of them even look at you and it's easy to get killed since the shield is pathetic, yet it's still my favourite bot. As a must have I'm going with the griffin because it's cheap, effective and not overly difficult to master unlike the thunder carnage.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Nov 18, 2016 5:28:25 GMT -5
Was the Natasha a troll vote? If not you need help...
Also Griffins sux
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 18, 2016 5:30:21 GMT -5
Was the Natasha a troll vote? If not you need help... Also Griffins sux Griffins sux?? Wot? |
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Nov 18, 2016 5:42:26 GMT -5
Db Griffins are one of my favourites. U wot m8?
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Post by Vindictive999 on Nov 18, 2016 5:56:58 GMT -5
Griffins sux
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 18, 2016 6:06:24 GMT -5
Natasha legit cornerstone
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 8:17:21 GMT -5
Was the Natasha a troll vote? If not you need help... Also Griffins sux Try to fight my thunder pinata / trident pin Natasha all she needs are good weapons to be competative. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 18, 2016 8:33:01 GMT -5
Was the Natasha a troll vote? If not you need help... Also Griffins sux Try to fight my thunder pinata / trident pin Natasha all she needs are good weapons to be competative. Nah, by the time it gets to home beacon, the game is over. |
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 8:40:59 GMT -5
Try to fight my thunder pinata / trident pin Natasha all she needs are good weapons to be competative. Nah, by the time it gets to home beacon, the game is over. You need to play smart and try not to play it like a rhino / lancelot / galahad. Be patient and hold choke points. As for the mid ranged trident pin Natasha do you really need speed for that? My brother covers for me. Again its how you use it. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 18, 2016 9:17:04 GMT -5
Not voting, as I am not yet ready for prime time, but I'm watching this one closely. I'm suprised to see how many votes the carnage has.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Nov 18, 2016 10:01:03 GMT -5
Not voting, as I am not yet ready for prime time, but I'm watching this one closely. I'm suprised to see how many votes the carnage has. Carnage is basically a hybrid Fury/Lancelot. It's capable of steamrolling almost anything at close range. It's probably #4 on my list. If you can't afford Lancelot, buy a Carnage. Or three. To whomever says Griffins suck...umm, no. The hordes of Griffins being used in Gold tier by experienced players would indicate you are in an extreme minority with that opinion. CRV/Tulumbas Griff (RDB) is a powerful midrange bot, and with DB or PDB setups the Griffin is an agile, heavily armed, somewhat squishy yet very powerful Gold tier knifer weapon. The Griffin may not be the bot you are most skilled with, but that does not mean the bot itself is no good. If you don't like it, fine. But honestly, saying the Griffin "sux" without even giving a reason or any sort of explanation, that is simply ridiculous. |
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Post by miatahead on Nov 18, 2016 10:55:14 GMT -5
None of them are must haves. I see a variety of 6-7 in competitive hangars and there are only 5 slots, so there is no must have.
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 11:00:28 GMT -5
None of them are must haves. I see a variety of 6-7 in competitive hangars and there are only 5 slots, so there is no must have. Mind showing us a competative hanger in gold that does not have one of the following rhino, lancelot, griffin, and fury. |
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Post by Strayed on Nov 18, 2016 11:24:56 GMT -5
Five galahad hangar
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 18, 2016 11:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 18, 2016 11:42:19 GMT -5
I don't think you can say that there are only 3 must-haves. I have seen players just run Lances and Galahads and are fine without a Griffin, Rhino, or Fury. Then I have seen all Griffs. And all kinds of mixtures in between. Any combination of the list Strayed typed out is fine.
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 11:43:16 GMT -5
Ok I forgot to add galahad.  |
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Post by Vindictive999 on Nov 18, 2016 11:53:43 GMT -5
Not voting, as I am not yet ready for prime time, but I'm watching this one closely. I'm suprised to see how many votes the carnage has. Carnage is basically a hybrid Fury/Lancelot. It's capable of steamrolling almost anything at close range. It's probably #4 on my list. If you can't afford Lancelot, buy a Carnage. Or three. To whomever says Griffins suck...umm, no. The hordes of Griffins being used in Gold tier by experienced players would indicate you are in an extreme minority with that opinion. CRV/Tulumbas Griff (RDB) is a powerful midrange bot, and with DB or PDB setups the Griffin is an agile, heavily armed, somewhat squishy yet very powerful Gold tier knifer weapon. The Griffin may not be the bot you are most skilled with, but that does not mean the bot itself is no good. If you don't like it, fine. But honestly, saying the Griffin "sux" without even giving a reason or any sort of explanation, that is simply ridiculous. Hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha Oh how you have made me laugh. Thank you, thank you so much. |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Nov 18, 2016 11:59:40 GMT -5
I am disappointed that nobody is extolling the virtues of running 5 Écu Cossacks. Man, I thought I had my Gold hangar almost set up.
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 12:08:08 GMT -5
Carnage is basically a hybrid Fury/Lancelot. It's capable of steamrolling almost anything at close range. It's probably #4 on my list. If you can't afford Lancelot, buy a Carnage. Or three. To whomever says Griffins suck...umm, no. The hordes of Griffins being used in Gold tier by experienced players would indicate you are in an extreme minority with that opinion. CRV/Tulumbas Griff (RDB) is a powerful midrange bot, and with DB or PDB setups the Griffin is an agile, heavily armed, somewhat squishy yet very powerful Gold tier knifer weapon. The Griffin may not be the bot you are most skilled with, but that does not mean the bot itself is no good. If you don't like it, fine. But honestly, saying the Griffin "sux" without even giving a reason or any sort of explanation, that is simply ridiculous. Hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha Oh how you have made me laugh. Thank you, thank you so much. What a genuine troll. ? |
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Post by miatahead on Nov 18, 2016 13:21:27 GMT -5
None of them are must haves. I see a variety of 6-7 in competitive hangars and there are only 5 slots, so there is no must have. Mind showing us a competative hanger in gold that does not have one of the following rhino, lancelot, griffin, and fury. I didn't realize you could vote for 3. But there still aren't 3 must-haves, as you can build a competitive hanger with a multitude of combinations of 6-7 bots. I still see the occasional 4-5 rhino hangar. I see an occasional 4-5 griffin hanger. I see Fury-less hangers. I see Lance-less hangars. They are all competitive in gold. Why? Because they are maxed with maxed weapons and the player knows how to use them. I see Pattons more now and it still doesn't have a vote yet.
What people don't realize is that a bot is just a vehicle for weapons. Its the weapons that matter, not the bot. What people also don't realize is how much level matters more than skill. I stopped running DB Griff for awhile because level 10 Orkans and Pinatas isn't a 'death button' against a maxed Rhino with full health. It's more like a 2/3 death button. Then you just stand there, dance around, look at the sky and pray he doesn't unload in your face. Skill didn't do squat or mean a thing since I completely surprised him, yet he's still standing there and I unloaded and am screwed.
Once you are in gold, you are at a disadvantage, unless you are maxed and/or in a solution bot.
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Post by josette2 on Nov 18, 2016 17:11:55 GMT -5
Mind showing us a competative hanger in gold that does not have one of the following rhino, lancelot, griffin, and fury. I didn't realize you could vote for 3. But there still aren't 3 must-haves, as you can build a competitive hanger with a multitude of combinations of 6-7 bots. I still see the occasional 4-5 rhino hangar. I see an occasional 4-5 griffin hanger. I see Fury-less hangers. I see Lance-less hangars. They are all competitive in gold. Why? Because they are maxed with maxed weapons and the player knows how to use them. I see Pattons more now and it still doesn't have a vote yet.
What people don't realize is that a bot is just a vehicle for weapons. Its the weapons that matter, not the bot. What people also don't realize is how much level matters more than skill. I stopped running DB Griff for awhile because level 10 Orkans and Pinatas isn't a 'death button' against a maxed Rhino with full health. It's more like a 2/3 death button. Then you just stand there, dance around, look at the sky and pray he doesn't unload in your face. Skill didn't do squat or mean a thing since I completely surprised him, yet he's still standing there and I unloaded and am screwed.
Once you are in gold, you are at a disadvantage, unless you are maxed and/or in a solution bot.
I'd have to disagree there's a reason why they're top bots. Rhino high HP, has a shield and is heavy bot that can run at 50mph. lancelot / galahad pratically plasma proof and can dish out crazy DPS at the same time. Griffin has jump and can carry a heavy payload. Fury w 3 tridents do you need an explanation for this? Lol. Sure at the hands of an experienced pilot any bot with max weapons can be a threat but put them on one of these bots they'd be a bigger threat on the field. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 18, 2016 17:37:03 GMT -5
I love that the 'Tasha got a vote... |
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Post by Vindictive999 on Nov 18, 2016 18:29:12 GMT -5
Hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha Oh how you have made me laugh. Thank you, thank you so much. What a genuine troll. ? Could I be a disingenuous one instead? Clip clop Tricky I'm not sure we can be friends anymore, flaming natasha. You will be saying griffins are awesome next... |
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 18, 2016 18:54:50 GMT -5
What people don't realize is that a bot is just a vehicle for weapons. Its the weapons that matter, not the bot. What people also don't realize is how much level matters more than skill. This is patently silly. My 4/7 mediums hangar frequently gets thrown into gold and I clean house easily more than 80% of the time. Why? Simple: the MM threw me there with the rest of a full squad from my clan. When even a minority of us are on voice comms the skill difference explodes and we mop the map with Reds. A full squad of 4/7s can easily win in gold not because of levels but because we can employ more skill. Levels matter, but not too much. That's why you see heavy frames with Au/WSP weapons but low win rates dipping down into silver and even high bronze all of the time. ...and saying that the bots themselves don't matter is also silly. No one thinks a Destrier and a Stalker are equal if they both have the same weapons equipped. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 19, 2016 1:28:38 GMT -5
What people don't realize is that a bot is just a vehicle for weapons. Its the weapons that matter, not the bot. What people also don't realize is how much level matters more than skill. This is patently silly. My 4/7 mediums hangar frequently gets thrown into gold and I clean house easily more than 80% of the time. Why? Simple: the MM threw me there with the rest of a full squad from my clan. When even a minority of us are on voice comms the skill difference explodes and we mop the map with Reds. A full squad of 4/7s can easily win in gold not because of levels but because we can employ more skill. Levels matter, but not too much. That's why you see heavy frames with Au/WSP weapons but low win rates dipping down into silver and even high bronze all of the time. ...and saying that the bots themselves don't matter is also silly. No one thinks a Destrier and a Stalker are equal if they both have the same weapons equipped. Wait what I just versed a 4/6 hangar in low bronze... @_@ matchmaker is well out the window |
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