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Post by Muhlakai on Dec 7, 2016 8:39:42 GMT -5
Nerf is such a millennial shoulder crier term. And yet, sometimes it really is the appropriate move to balance things. |
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Post by ЯΣD9 on Dec 7, 2016 8:41:24 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with you on this one, completely. This game, more so than any other i've played, allows you to acquire its premium currency relatively easily. I understand where you're coming from. Obviously, it's not like we have to agree. One of the logical extensions of your argument, however, is that if Pix just made it clear to noobs how easy it was for them to gain Au then 5-Gep bronze hangars (or whatever the next OP bot is) wouldn't be a big deal. That still seems crazy to me. Also, the fact that Au is relatively simple to generate doesn't change that, as a rule, simply making anything purchased with it more powerful isn't necessarily a good idea. It boils the game down to "whoever spent the most Au on the top bot build right now wins." I simply meant that gold being the most difficult currency to build, their should be a higher payoff for accumulating enough to buy a special weapon. Anyone can do it. No in app purchase necessary. It's also just as easy for lower tier players. That usually isn't the case for a lot of other games out there. Ironically, I'm having the hardest time accumulating enough silver right now. (11-12) ? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2016 8:51:02 GMT -5
I agree, Red9, the point of premium items, is...well... to be better than the normal items. Why even have the Au currency in the first place, otherwise?
The balance that Pix is trying... and I'd say almost completely with success... is to make Au items bad enough for Ag and WSP bots/weapons to be allowed to actually overcome them. They can. At several levels. (Geps are a different matter so please don't point out those as an example)
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Post by War Child on Dec 7, 2016 13:08:28 GMT -5
I just want to say, after seeing a message that was left on the War Robots FB page that was crying about the aphids and Pix responding with a cryptic response that implies another freaking nerf... that it adds a new dynamic to the game that had become dominated by Orcs and Mags/Tarans, and more recently, Tridents. Now there are 4 main damage dealing choices. The other three weren't negated by Aphids. Just given a counter. They can be dealt with. A couple of easy examples: My Galahad can avoid most damage just running with the shield down. A heavy bot either needs to be hugging the wall or have a screen of Medium/light bots to clear the Aphid throwers. Yes, they hurt... but... It can be done. More complexity in a game that changes so rarely, is nice. They aren't OP. Just on par with the previous kings. How fast do Griffs and Leos and Boas die to my puny Gareth Taran/Mag? Pretty dang fast... they don't stand a chance... but no one is screaming to nerf Tarans and Mags again... Adapt and overcome. Tri Aphid Geps are no worse than Mag Geps... that is a separate issue that has more to do with MM than the weapons... But Aphids in High Silver and Low Gold are not detrimental to the game. IMHO only, of course. I have a deep, deep hatred for Geps and player's with a full Gep hanger. This hatred has led to drinking. And now I find myself occasionally smacking my girlfriend or spending my son's child support payments at the strip club. However, you are fully correct. "Adapt and overcome" Nerf is such a millennial shoulder crier term. Besides, I've almost enough gold to purchase my first Aphid. Did you really or were you just joking?because it wasnt too funny TBH |
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Post by happybobross on Dec 7, 2016 13:10:34 GMT -5
Nah, My son got his child support. But if that girl of mine don't uninstall Candy Crush off her phone soon, she'll have to make up another, "I fell" story.
It's humor homie. You'll be ok.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 7, 2016 13:15:49 GMT -5
Seriously considering buying aphids again on this account. The main reason I haven't is the lack of medium counterpart.
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Post by happybobross on Dec 7, 2016 13:23:15 GMT -5
Seriously considering buying aphids again on this account. The main reason I haven't is the lack of medium counterpart. I'm looking forward to toying with one. Got a few bots in mind that I'd like to test having one or two on in the future. Still a few weapons I've yet to personally use in combat yet. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2016 13:32:15 GMT -5
Seriously considering buying aphids again on this account. The main reason I haven't is the lack of medium counterpart. Are you referring to getting them on a Griff or a Rhino or a Gala? Since you are asking about a medium counterpart I assume so... I run them on 2 Galas atm... one with an Ork and one with a Taran... there are no issues with either in my book... I have ran an Aphid/Tar Rhino and Griff as well, and it was not a bad combo. Play style is different than with Mags (for the Tar) and Pinatas (for the Orks), because the Aphids become the focus for starting the engagement. Especially on the Galahads. I play them pretty conservatively when carrying Aphids... and use the Medium weapon as a closer or a self defense weapon. When I run Plasmahads or Splashahads, I play much more aggressively due to the fact that both sets of weapons require you to come out of cover, even if only for long enough to shoot. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 7, 2016 15:35:09 GMT -5
Sounds similar to Thunder aphid play.
I just have to replace either a pdb set up or a db set up AND/OR get more Tarans possibly. I think I'll wait to see how the new MM affects my current experimental hangars first.
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Post by ЯΣD9 on Dec 7, 2016 18:03:26 GMT -5
I'm also seriously considering buying a second set. I currently only have the one pair on my Galahad. I usually start with that, then when I eventually drop my second Galahad, I kinda miss them.
Our current damage record holder runs an Aphid Patton, and it's down right viscous.
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 7, 2016 18:17:01 GMT -5
I'm also seriously considering buying a second set. I currently only have the one pair on my Galahad. I usually start with that, then when I eventually drop my second Galahad, I kinda miss them. Our current damage record holder runs an Aphid Patton, and it's down right viscous. Get 4. I ponied up for all 4 at once, because I figure Patton was the way. Some games you die right away, but some games... well, some games I'm laughing to the end because of how ridiculous it is. When you run into a team that has no idea how to defend Aphids it gets ridiculous. |
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Post by Vicious Jester on Dec 8, 2016 9:32:38 GMT -5
so really if you think about it carefully, it's not the aphids that are the problem. it's the geps and they're ridiculously stupid speed. if you can hide from any robot in the game and pound them without ever being seen then something is off with the geps. also that stealth thing really needs to be fixed.. if you're going to be in a stealth bot then make it slower and give the stealth more time. as it is you can't kill them without the exact right robot/weapon. Untrue. you just need to learn to count, and I don't mean that sarcastically . when they stealth up, start counting to 8, and plan your next moves accordingly . Makes no difference when they are faster than everything in the game that can kill them. Besides that. Money slingers shouldn't be playing in the same battle as normal people anyways. |
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Post by Vicious Jester on Dec 8, 2016 9:34:50 GMT -5
why is everyone here missing the real point??!
the only viable way to play this game is slinging money at it and it is pretty stupid to think that people who spend thousands of dollars can be so op when playing with people who are just trying to fill their wallets the old fashioned way!
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 8, 2016 16:23:41 GMT -5
why is everyone here missing the real point??! the only viable way to play this game is slinging money at it and it is pretty stupid to think that people who spend thousands of dollars can be so op when playing with people who are just trying to fill their wallets the old fashioned way! That isn't at all true. It might get you a head start, but you can catch up in time. |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 8, 2016 16:56:04 GMT -5
I'm American, so all in USD. Top P2W package is $99.99 for 14,000 Au. Rounding for simplification, $1000 spent = 10 packages = 140,000 Au. Top of the line "gold bots" cost 5000 Au. You could buy 28 Furies with that. Overkill. You can get a little less than 3 'gold-bots' per top package, and you can only use 5 bots at a time. I'd say by the 5th packaged purchased, you are just being redundant and wasting money. "Whaling" does not exist in this game anywhere nearly as badly as the vast majority of freemium games.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 14, 2016 16:48:30 GMT -5
Untrue. you just need to learn to count, and I don't mean that sarcastically . when they stealth up, start counting to 8, and plan your next moves accordingly . Makes no difference when they are faster than everything in the game that can kill them. Besides that. Money slingers shouldn't be playing in the same battle as normal people anyways. I smash both stalkers and geps of all flavors on a regular basis with just my 4 aphid Patton. You just have to know what you're doing. Because they aren't faster than my aphids. |
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Post by denzark on Dec 14, 2016 18:00:49 GMT -5
Aphids are a premium gold weapon better than the gekko for the same money imho.
What they need is a small nerf.
Range 300m
Lock on does not happen till weapon is in range.
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Post by miatahead on Dec 14, 2016 18:06:35 GMT -5
My only reply to this thread is this:
- Should any single bot be able to last 10 mins on a map and score over 1M?
- Should any bot/weapon combo be able to do more damage *behind cover* than a Trident Fury in a single salvo?
- Should any bot be able to kill nearly any other bot in 3 shots over 30 secs *behind cover*?
If you answered Yes to any of these, then Aphids are fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 5:02:30 GMT -5
why is everyone here missing the real point??! the only viable way to play this game is slinging money at it and it is pretty stupid to think that people who spend thousands of dollars can be so op when playing with people who are just trying to fill their wallets the old fashioned way! B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. shouldve payed more attention to maths in highschool... oh, wait. U are the "moneyslinger" troll. Youre holding a record in people loling over you, congratulations. All your jabbering was already proven wrong, and yet u continue. Ure from the tinfoil hat fraction, aint ya? U know what? Im gonna go buy a google playcard later and buy me some skins (already have 4 Aphids and Orkans) - just to make sure you quit when u see me. The empty slot will make up for you completely. |
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Post by Vicious Jester on Dec 18, 2016 19:40:18 GMT -5
Because they aren't faster than my aphids. This is completely untrue and/or incorrect. faster robots can out run aphids and/or their dmg area .. even fairly fast meds can out run most of the aphid dmg (my galahad for instance). the description even states aphids "are ineffective against fast moving robots". |
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Post by Vicious Jester on Dec 18, 2016 19:49:07 GMT -5
why is everyone here missing the real point??! the only viable way to play this game is slinging money at it and it is pretty stupid to think that people who spend thousands of dollars can be so op when playing with people who are just trying to fill their wallets the old fashioned way! B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. shouldve payed more attention to maths in highschool... oh, wait. U are the "moneyslinger" troll. Youre holding a record in people loling over you, congratulations. All your jabbering was already proven wrong, and yet u continue. Ure from the tinfoil hat fraction, aint ya? U know what? Im gonna go buy a google playcard later and buy me some skins (already have 4 Aphids and Orkans) - just to make sure you quit when u see me. The empty slot will make up for you completely. wow.. what an idiot.. did your basement get so boring that you had to find me in another thread and spew more ignorance? i'm really sorry i upset you so you had to get out the dictionary and thesaurus. i'm sure those multiple word sentences really hurt your poor head. i'll try to do better and not upset you again. i realize you don't understand my "money slinging" post. but believe me, it's all true and you'll understand some day when you grow up, mature, and move out of mom's basement. btw.. sense you are noob and completely out of control, i have blocked you and won't be viewing your diatribe any longer. thanks. now back to the real thread. |
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Post by Curry Pot on Dec 18, 2016 21:39:50 GMT -5
dat meltdown tho
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Post by petevb on Dec 19, 2016 14:17:52 GMT -5
I say nerf them:
Aphids are the War Robots equivalent of machine guns on the WWI battlefield. Like sniper weapons on open maps they discourage movement and advantage defense over offense: hang back, hug the walls and make the enemy come to you. When they come fall back and keep firing.
It promotes the equivalent of WWI trench warfare- a static, grinding, tactical game with limited movement and combatants pounding away with artillery. That's not fun.
I support things that break the stalemate, like shields and powerful knife fighting weapons that reward lightening attack. They are the equivalent of WWII blitzkrieg: speed, fluid movement and freedom. These all make the game far more fun to play. Because let's face it- either cowering in your foxhole while shells rain down or being the guy who's working the howitzer is kinda boring. IMHO...
So while I have and use maxed Aphids myself I strongly support a nerf. $.02
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