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Post by foxypotato on Aug 8, 2020 10:15:24 GMT -5
Ravana, leech, gale, scorpion- what other bots are really even running storms (effectively)? And again for a maxed Ravana the damage is going for 240k to 208k, you think bots still aren’t going to disappear? This puts them in line with corona. And I still don’t get the argument about wanting more cryo or atomizer. There’s tons of cryo and atomizer isn’t the same. No one running storm is going to replace with that weapon, it’s got a different purpose. Ravana with Poe is the biggest problem in the game. Can't beat a bot you can't hit I'm mixed on the Ravana. While it is annoying as hell that it is constantly transing out it also can't shoot. It is also made to counter god mode bots like Leech, Phantom, Ao Jun and Ares and I'm OK with that. They need a hard counter. As a player running legacy and some of the non God mode newer bots I dont find the bot be a problem at all. It is annoying but the God mode bots are a far far bigger problem in my eyes. I can't damage them AND they can do massive damage to me. Phantom has uber tank DR, Leech has DR and redirect, Ares has a infinite Ageis and Ao Jun requires PC use and fighting the targetting system to maybe get some shots off whime doing far less DPS than it can do to you inside of 350m making it pay to lose to fight it. The Ravana just rolls up and does it's weird flex then starts shooting. I can handle 1 on 1 pretty well with a taser lance as long as the shield holds.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 8, 2020 10:27:24 GMT -5
Ravana is made to counter the god mode meta. If you anyone is having a hard time with the Ravana I would recommend trying a bot from outside the meta as a counter. I'm using a ghost physical shield expert fortified Scourge Ancilot to deal with Storm Ravana, taser Phantoms and all freeze rocket builds. It does quite well against those bots but the firepower is low with only two mediums. It's ok against the Glory Tfalcons too. You have to get point blank for the damage boost but move around to dodge some Glory hits by making him lose targeting.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 8, 2020 10:49:02 GMT -5
From Pix: Re: Storm Nerf ... Heads up: we plan on testing Storm damage reduction during the next Test Server session. The previous rebalance of shotgun weapons moved them from a "short-range" category (200-400m) into a "close-in" category (100-200m). When we released Ravana and Scorpion, these robots couldn't have come at a better time. They excel at hit-and-run tactics and can enter point blank range easily. For them shotgun weapons are a perfect match. Many of you got used to this new play style and learned to maximize the point blank advantage of shotgun weapons. We are happy to see that. However, as "close-in" weapons the rebalanced shotguns proved to be even too effective. Storm is a perfect example. In Champion league, its nearest equivalents — Scourge and Cryo — deal around 90 000 damage on average during the robot's life span. Storm deals half again as much damage, 132 000 on average during the robot's life span. Storms leave no chance for the rest of "close-in" equipment and to equalize this weapon we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15%. Storm's nerfed version available during this weekend's Test Server.
(we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15% ...)
Read: can't let anyone have a good inexpensive option, gotta make them PAY dammit, PAAAAAAAAAAAY!
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 16:39:19 GMT -5
its not preferable at all. It means u have to constantly replace ur bots at a faster rate cuz they’re not just inferior to new bots but they’re also nerfed into uselessness If you want to chase the meta and jump to the new OP thing then yes. You could also just you know, not do that. I know that it sucks to face the new OP thing without one yourself but the moment a player adopts one then they become part of the problem. If they are fine with that then that is great. They will however get no sympathy from me when their clearly OP thing (whether they see it or not) gets balanced out with the other 90% of the bots in the game and is no longer part of the broken handful of bots club. "My bot is perfectly balanced and reasonable with the vast majority of bots in the game OH GOD NOOOOOO IT'S USELESS NOW" I’ve been playing this game a long time and I’ve rarely used a meta bot before it got nerfed. My MK2 bots are hellburner, haechi, inquisitor, 2 striders, hover, hades, Mercury, phantom, blitz. Does that sound like I’m chasing every new OP bot? No (besides hover), so lose the attitude when ur talking to me. Calling for balance nerfs is short sighted and frankly delusional considering pix actively creates imbalance. The ecosystem of this meta is such a tangled mess and there will always be two or three blatantly OP bots. Pixonic is entrenched in evolving the game thru power creep. A strong bot is definitely playable after receiving a nerf but eventually all that does is make the next gen even more oppressive and dominant. How many people would complain now about spectre, dash bots, Mercury, etc getting their original specs back? Nobody.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 8, 2020 17:11:06 GMT -5
If you want to chase the meta and jump to the new OP thing then yes. You could also just you know, not do that. I know that it sucks to face the new OP thing without one yourself but the moment a player adopts one then they become part of the problem. If they are fine with that then that is great. They will however get no sympathy from me when their clearly OP thing (whether they see it or not) gets balanced out with the other 90% of the bots in the game and is no longer part of the broken handful of bots club. "My bot is perfectly balanced and reasonable with the vast majority of bots in the game OH GOD NOOOOOO IT'S USELESS NOW" How many people would complain now about spectre, dash bots, Mercury, etc getting their original specs back? Nobody. Anybody who has to face them with Griffins, Leos and the like. New players basically. I've met people irl that have played War Robots and gave up in the pre nerf Haechi and Specter era. They would tell me they liked the game until they encountered the sliding bot with 3 weapons and a force field or the 4 weapons one they can't shoot. Those two bots were very toxic to the game. They are actually quite nicely balanced now. They need to stay that way. If some of the even newer stuff is OP then it needs to be balanced too. Either buff EVERYTHING (not just last meta) that is not part of the handful of OP or just nerf the handful of bots that actually are the problem.
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 17:43:38 GMT -5
How many people would complain now about spectre, dash bots, Mercury, etc getting their original specs back? Nobody. Anybody who has to face them with Griffins, Leos and the like. New players basically. I've met people irl that have played War Robots and gave up in the pre nerf Haechi and Specter era. They would tell me they liked the game until they encountered the sliding bot with 3 weapons and a force field or the 4 weapons one they can't shoot. Those two bots were very toxic to the game. They are actually quite nicely balanced now. They need to stay that way. If some of the even newer stuff is OP then it needs to be balanced too. Either buff EVERYTHING (not just last meta) that is not part of the handful of OP or just nerf the handful of bots that actually are the problem. they aren’t balanced at all. Spectre is essentially unusable. Haechi actually counters ravana and can hold down beacons but it’s very slow. It would be balanced if it had its original speed and the only reason it’s even usable now is cuz they buffed it big time with the Legendary Pilot. So you want free bots like griffins and Leo’s to be balanced with bots that cost $100-300? Sorry never going to happen if u want a game where everything is carefully balanced then you should play BoT., clearly in War Robots there are tiers of items and if new players with starting tier stuff are facing meta or near meta gear then that’s an MM issue more than anything else.
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Aug 8, 2020 17:51:47 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Haven’t they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. I'm with you man, Its so expensive and time consuming to level anything up only to have it nerfed for no reason.
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 17:57:35 GMT -5
Here’s the thing. They are gonna nerf ur OP bot sure as day. but they’ll just replace it with something more OP. A ravana nerf right now would just mean scorpion proliferation. Public outcry to nerf bots does not bring about balance at all, it just gives pix an excuse to drop the hammer even harder creating a bigger p2w gap when they decide to shift to the next meta
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 18:01:39 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Havenât they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. Itâs getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. Â I'm with you man, Its so expensive and time consuming to level anything up only to have it nerfed for no reason. the reason is to frustrate u into spending to insta upgrade new 「dookie」 so that u can use it b4 it gets nerfed. 1% of players will actually do this and thatâs all pix cares abt. Everyone else id think abt getting things to serviceable levels and then investing in modules more than maxing gear. and like mentioned above donât over commit ur hangar to one bot or weapon type.
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 8, 2020 19:24:50 GMT -5
I’ve been playing this game a long time and I’ve rarely used a meta bot before it got nerfed. My MK2 bots are hellburner, haechi, inquisitor, 2 striders, hover, hades, Mercury, phantom, blitz. Does that sound like I’m chasing every new OP bot? No (besides hover), so lose the attitude when ur talking to me. Calling for balance nerfs is short sighted and frankly delusional considering pix actively creates imbalance. The ecosystem of this meta is such a tangled mess and there will always be two or three blatantly OP bots. Pixonic is entrenched in evolving the game thru power creep. A strong bot is definitely playable after receiving a nerf but eventually all that does is make the next gen even more oppressive and dominant. How many people would complain now about spectre, dash bots, Mercury, etc getting their original specs back? Nobody. No offense but I don’t believe you use those bots. If you did, you would notice that the Aries nerf has helped you.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 8, 2020 20:19:55 GMT -5
Ravana by itself is fine. The problem is facing endless waves of them, gales, Loki coupled with phase shift. A shooting game where you can’t shoot things. That’s the biggest issue. A maxed ravana with Heavy Armor Kit will have over 500k hp, that number is basically expanded by endless abilities and phase shift. It’s horrible gameplay. And because of this unbelievable ability to hold beacons and the new pilot system I honestly see no end to this meta until the ravana is nerfed into unusability.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 8, 2020 21:24:26 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Haven’t they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. I'm with you man, Its so expensive and time consuming to level anything up only to have it nerfed for no reason. That’s the crux of it all. Most people (I think) wouldn’t mind the constant ‘rebalancing’ as much if it didn’t require such a significant investment of time and resources (and/or real money) leveling this stuff up to the point of usability. The higher ranked a player is, the bigger that investment becomes. Players take a look at and maybe a few test drives of all the gear that’s available to them, decide which combinations work best for them under a given set of rules, and then invest in leveling up that gear, only to have the devs constantly devaluing their investments by changing those rules. It’s downright infuriating, especially for players who always seem to be just a few steps behind staying competitive. And that’s what sucks all the fun out of playing the damn game. Nobody at Pixonic seems to have any kind of a grasp on this concept, particularly when they keep increasing the time and cost and decreasing the value of what they’re selling. We can only hope that as Pix keeps up these shenanigans that more players will express their dissatisfaction with their wallets.
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Post by alster on Aug 9, 2020 11:13:16 GMT -5
I'm with you man, Its so expensive and time consuming to level anything up only to have it nerfed for no reason. That’s the crux of it all. Most people (I think) wouldn’t mind the constant ‘rebalancing’ as much if it didn’t require such a significant investment of time and resources (and/or real money) leveling this stuff up to the point of usability. The higher ranked a player is, the bigger that investment becomes. Players take a look at and maybe a few test drives of all the gear that’s available to them, decide which combinations work best for them under a given set of rules, and then invest in leveling up that gear, only to have the devs constantly devaluing their investments by changing those rules. It’s downright infuriating, especially for players who always seem to be just a few steps behind staying competitive. And that’s what sucks all the fun out of playing the damn game. Nobody at Pixonic seems to have any kind of a grasp on this concept, particularly when they keep increasing the time and cost and decreasing the value of what they’re selling. We can only hope that as Pix keeps up these shenanigans that more players will express their dissatisfaction with their wallets. The game is based around a never ending upgrade path. If your not constantly upgrading then you miss out on what the game is all about. Pixonic is helping people to upgrade newer things.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 9, 2020 12:21:43 GMT -5
Hereâ??s the thing. They are gonna nerf ur OP bot sure as day. but theyâ??ll just replace it with something more OP. A ravana nerf right now would just mean scorpion proliferation. Public outcry to nerf bots does not bring about balance at all, it just gives pix an excuse to drop the hammer even harder creating a bigger p2w gap when they decide to shift to the next meta It still better than that just adding yet another OP bot. Nerfing one and replacing it with another at least keeps the number of OP bots in the game the same. I'd rather there be zero. I'll take 4 instead of 5. 2 instead of 3. They damn well better not increase the number. Fix your ?dookie? pixonic. I know it sucks if you were running the OP bot that got the nerf but that is what you get for running one of those bots and being an active participant in the problem. I want to have sympathy for these players but I just can't. Sorry not sorry.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 9, 2020 12:44:04 GMT -5
The simple truth is everyone says they want balance but only if that balance means don’t touch the stuff I run because none of it is OP. It’s all the other guys and their OP stuff
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 9, 2020 12:47:15 GMT -5
Ravana with Poe is the biggest problem in the game. Can't beat a bot you can't hit I'm mixed on the Ravana. While it is annoying as hell that it is constantly transing out it also can't shoot. It is also made to counter god mode bots like Leech, Phantom, Ao Jun and Ares and I'm OK with that. They need a hard counter. As a player running legacy and some of the non God mode newer bots I dont find the bot be a problem at all. It is annoying but the God mode bots are a far far bigger problem in my eyes. I can't damage them AND they can do massive damage to me. Phantom has uber tank DR, Leech has DR and redirect, Ares has a infinite Ageis and Ao Jun requires PC use and fighting the targetting system to maybe get some shots off whime doing far less DPS than it can do to you inside of 350m making it pay to lose to fight it. The Ravana just rolls up and does it's weird flex then starts shooting. I can handle 1 on 1 pretty well with a taser lance as long as the shield holds. Not quite, especially when paired with lag Ravana is impossible to shoot. It shoots you in transcendence, it looks like it isn't transcending when it is. The small delay where they can get a shot out but your shot passes through them. There's always lag. There is never not lag. I use PS to abuse the ?dookie?ty netcode and get free shots off at enemies, now there's a new bot and that's all it does except it doesn't cost powercells(most of the time, gotta stack Ravana with PS as well At least with literally every other bot the line between "shoot" and "do not shoot" aren't so outrageously blurred. But at least that's my experience. Damn, at least in Champions League taking my Leech up against another Leech was fun. Ravana v Ravana is a SLOG dude. It is not fun, or a challenge at all, full stop. That's what determines whether I enjoy running a bot in my hangar or not. If I can have a top tier OP meta bot and go against another pilot running the same damn thing and still enjoy the game, that's alright. Ravana sparkle dance-offs are boring and stupid.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 9, 2020 13:05:13 GMT -5
I'm mixed on the Ravana. While it is annoying as hell that it is constantly transing out it also can't shoot. It is also made to counter god mode bots like Leech, Phantom, Ao Jun and Ares and I'm OK with that. They need a hard counter. As a player running legacy and some of the non God mode newer bots I dont find the bot be a problem at all. It is annoying but the God mode bots are a far far bigger problem in my eyes. I can't damage them AND they can do massive damage to me. Phantom has uber tank DR, Leech has DR and redirect, Ares has a infinite Ageis and Ao Jun requires PC use and fighting the targetting system to maybe get some shots off whime doing far less DPS than it can do to you inside of 350m making it pay to lose to fight it. The Ravana just rolls up and does it's weird flex then starts shooting. I can handle 1 on 1 pretty well with a taser lance as long as the shield holds. Not quite, especially when paired with lag Ravana is impossible to shoot. It shoots you in transcendence, it looks like it isn't transcending when it is. The small delay where they can get a shot out but your shot passes through them. There's always lag. There is never not lag. I use PS to abuse the ã??dookieã?ty netcode and get free shots off at enemies, now there's a new bot and that's all it does except it doesn't cost powercells(most of the time, gotta stack Ravana with PS as well At least with literally every other bot the line between "shoot" and "do not shoot" aren't so outrageously blurred. But at least that's my experience I hate that. I definitely think that both the transcendence and PS need a small time delay before the bot can fire to deal with this issue. I would also like to see bots in these states be unable to cap beacons. I don't play BR but the Ravana has got to be making more of a mockery out of that mode. The ability of the Ravana to fire while it still appears to be in trans is abusive and I would like to see it fixed. It is still less abusive than just having to stand there and die in font of a Leech because it ran up to you and pushed the win button, or having to pay a game currency to be able to shoot at an Ao Jun as flies around in murder stealth only to die fighting because nothing can match its DPS at 350m, or the days of getting instalocked by an Ares and then jizzed (lel mods step up ur word filter game) to death from well outside brawling range while being unable to do anything about it, or having what appears to be some sort of light bot run right through your tank at breakneck speed while barely taking a scratch because reasons. Yes, fix the Ravana. Call it a nerf if you like but also nerf/fix Leech, Ao Jun, Phantom and Ares. Don't just release hard counters to them with Ravana and Scorpion. Fix them too because they are ?fluffernutter?ing broken.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 9, 2020 14:03:57 GMT -5
That’s the crux of it all. Most people (I think) wouldn’t mind the constant ‘rebalancing’ as much if it didn’t require such a significant investment of time and resources (and/or real money) leveling this stuff up to the point of usability. The higher ranked a player is, the bigger that investment becomes. Players take a look at and maybe a few test drives of all the gear that’s available to them, decide which combinations work best for them under a given set of rules, and then invest in leveling up that gear, only to have the devs constantly devaluing their investments by changing those rules. It’s downright infuriating, especially for players who always seem to be just a few steps behind staying competitive. And that’s what sucks all the fun out of playing the damn game. Nobody at Pixonic seems to have any kind of a grasp on this concept, particularly when they keep increasing the time and cost and decreasing the value of what they’re selling. We can only hope that as Pix keeps up these shenanigans that more players will express their dissatisfaction with their wallets. The game is based around a never ending upgrade path. If your not constantly upgrading then you miss out on what the game is all about. Pixonic is helping people to upgrade newer things. I hope you’re not serious. Encouraging players to upgrade other gear by rendering the gear useless that they’ve already spent time and resources on upgrading is a piss-poor way of doing business.
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 9, 2020 15:52:38 GMT -5
Not quite, especially when paired with lag Ravana is impossible to shoot. It shoots you in transcendence, it looks like it isn't transcending when it is. The small delay where they can get a shot out but your shot passes through them. There's always lag. There is never not lag. I use PS to abuse the ã??dookieã?ty netcode and get free shots off at enemies, now there's a new bot and that's all it does except it doesn't cost powercells(most of the time, gotta stack Ravana with PS as well At least with literally every other bot the line between "shoot" and "do not shoot" aren't so outrageously blurred. But at least that's my experience I hate that. I definitely think that both the transcendence and PS need a small time delay before the bot can fire to deal with this issue. I would also like to see bots in these states be unable to cap beacons. I don't play BR but the Ravana has got to be making more of a mockery out of that mode. The ability of the Ravana to fire while it still appears to be in trans is abusive and I would like to see it fixed. It is still less abusive than just having to stand there and die in font of a Leech because it ran up to you and pushed the win button, or having to pay a game currency to be able to shoot at an Ao Jun as flies around in murder stealth only to die fighting because nothing can match its DPS at 350m, or the days of getting instalocked by an Ares and then jizzed (lel mods step up ur word filter game) to death from well outside brawling range while being unable to do anything about it, or having what appears to be some sort of light bot run right through your tank at breakneck speed while barely taking a scratch because reasons. Yes, fix the Ravana. Call it a nerf if you like but also nerf/fix Leech, Ao Jun, Phantom and Ares. Don't just release hard counters to them with Ravana and Scorpion. Fix them too because they are ?fluffernutter?ing broken. We don't really need to get into this again, but yeah the bots being OP are the problem not Storms because literally no bot beyond the top meta can use them effectively how they are. That compounded with bogus internet delays and a severe power imbalance between players due to a match making system that is long overdue for a fixing; yeah Storms aren't the problem. Sidebar: Is anyone really having a hard time with Scorpions? I haven't lost a fight to one yet except perhaps when I was going to lose my bot anyway. They're too squishy.
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Post by alster on Aug 9, 2020 22:57:07 GMT -5
The game is based around a never ending upgrade path. If your not constantly upgrading then you miss out on what the game is all about. Pixonic is helping people to upgrade newer things. I hope you’re not serious. Encouraging players to upgrade other gear by rendering the gear useless that they’ve already spent time and resources on upgrading is a piss-poor way of doing business. This is how you get new content in the game. The new drone content has a lot of possibilities. People saying the ravana should be nerfed don't understand it is a counter to leech storms. This is why the storms and not the ravana should be nerfed.
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Post by rags on Aug 10, 2020 15:17:26 GMT -5
I’ve been playing this game a long time and I’ve rarely used a meta bot before it got nerfed. My MK2 bots are hellburner, haechi, inquisitor, 2 striders, hover, hades, Mercury, phantom, blitz. Does that sound like I’m chasing every new OP bot? No (besides hover), so lose the attitude when ur talking to me. Calling for balance nerfs is short sighted and frankly delusional considering pix actively creates imbalance. The ecosystem of this meta is such a tangled mess and there will always be two or three blatantly OP bots. Pixonic is entrenched in evolving the game thru power creep. A strong bot is definitely playable after receiving a nerf but eventually all that does is make the next gen even more oppressive and dominant. How many people would complain now about spectre, dash bots, Mercury, etc getting their original specs back? Nobody. No offense but I don’t believe you use those bots. If you did, you would notice that the Aries nerf has helped you. that’s funny becuz I’ve actually squadded with u before. But anyways where did I say ares nerf didn’t help me? Of course it did, Ares is weak as hell now, before they’re nearly invincible but now they’re one of the easiest kills in the game. That’s basically my point, the hard nerf excessively weakens the bot when piled on top of expected power creep.
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Post by rags on Aug 10, 2020 15:24:18 GMT -5
i ran max puns for a long time, they are awful at point blank becuz they’re bugged. If you’re nose to nose they do no damage and if there is any bit of lag, which there is 90% of the time, inside of like 50m they’re impossible to aim. best way to use them is at like 100-200m. Close quarter they are really frustrating. I wasn't aware of this bug. That really sucks. Thanks for telling me. I do use Punishers on a Fenrir and haven't noticed a problem doing damage up close. Perhaps it affects bots differently depending on where the weapons are positioned. gonna test more but they seem to work better if ur in a bigger bot and they can angle down.
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 10, 2020 16:29:46 GMT -5
No offense but I don’t believe you use those bots. If you did, you would notice that the Aries nerf has helped you. that’s funny becuz I’ve actually squadded with u before. But anyways where did I say ares nerf didn’t help me? Of course it did, Ares is weak as hell now, before they’re nearly invincible but now they’re one of the easiest kills in the game. That’s basically my point, the hard nerf excessively weakens the bot when piled on top of expected power creep. If they didnt nerf the Aries, Haechi would have to contend with a fast invincible-shield energy damage dealer that’s nearly invincible as you said, along with Ravana, Leech, and 120 kph Ao Jun. It wouldn’t survive long in this environment, especially if they add the next meta, compounding the uber OP bots. It becomes even more necessary to have to change your bots every time they release a new meta bot because it will always raise the ceiling. I agree with foxypotato that I would rather deal with the current meta by itself than having to still worry about the meta before it whose strengths have never changed. The way Pixonic does things makes it necessary to have to nerf things. The problem now is are they nerfing the right things. Is your in-game different, because I don’t remember squading with you.
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Post by rags on Aug 10, 2020 17:10:45 GMT -5
that’s funny becuz I’ve actually squadded with u before. But anyways where did I say ares nerf didn’t help me? Of course it did, Ares is weak as hell now, before they’re nearly invincible but now they’re one of the easiest kills in the game. That’s basically my point, the hard nerf excessively weakens the bot when piled on top of expected power creep. If they didnt nerf the Aries, Haechi would have to contend with a fast invincible-shield energy damage dealer that’s nearly invincible as you said, along with Ravana, Leech, and 120 kph Ao Jun. It wouldn’t survive long in this environment, especially if they add the next meta, compounding the uber OP bots. It becomes even more necessary to have to change your bots every time they release a new meta bot because it will always raise the ceiling. I agree with foxypotato that I would rather deal with the current meta by itself than having to still worry about the meta before it whose strengths have never changed. The way Pixonic does things makes it necessary to have to nerf things. The problem now is are they nerfing the right things. Is your in-game different, because I don’t remember squading with you. yea it’s different name. I can just flip that around and say if Haechi never was nerfed then don’t u think it would be able to compete way better. If Ares had its original specs it would still be getting hard countered by half the bots in this meta. When they nerf things they go overboard and it just makes them useless soon thereafter. That’s why I’m against calling for nerfs.
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 10, 2020 17:36:29 GMT -5
If they didnt nerf the Aries, Haechi would have to contend with a fast invincible-shield energy damage dealer that’s nearly invincible as you said, along with Ravana, Leech, and 120 kph Ao Jun. It wouldn’t survive long in this environment, especially if they add the next meta, compounding the uber OP bots. It becomes even more necessary to have to change your bots every time they release a new meta bot because it will always raise the ceiling. I agree with foxypotato that I would rather deal with the current meta by itself than having to still worry about the meta before it whose strengths have never changed. The way Pixonic does things makes it necessary to have to nerf things. The problem now is are they nerfing the right things. Is your in-game different, because I don’t remember squading with you. yea it’s different name. I can just flip that around and say if Haechi never was nerfed then don’t u think it would be able to compete way better. If Ares had its original specs it would still be getting hard countered by half the bots in this meta. When they nerf things they go overboard and it just makes them useless soon thereafter. That’s why I’m against calling for nerfs. The old Haechi is only 1 kph less than it is now and 8k hp less. It’s shield is actually higher now than before. They nerfed the shield hard back then but it has since been increased even higher with faster refresh. And the pilot skill more than makes up for the loss of 8k hp. And more significantly, the dash refresh is better now. People don’t realize the Haechi now is actually stronger than before, it’s just that it’s outclassed by new bot releases.
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Post by rags on Aug 10, 2020 19:27:02 GMT -5
yea it’s different name. I can just flip that around and say if Haechi never was nerfed then don’t u think it would be able to compete way better. If Ares had its original specs it would still be getting hard countered by half the bots in this meta. When they nerf things they go overboard and it just makes them useless soon thereafter. That’s why I’m against calling for nerfs. The old Haechi is only 1 kph less than it is now and 8k hp less. It’s shield is actually higher now than before. They nerfed the shield hard back then but it has since been increased even higher with faster refresh. And the pilot skill more than makes up for the loss of 8k hp. And more significantly, the dash refresh is better now. People don’t realize the Haechi now is actually stronger than before, it’s just that it’s outclassed by new bot releases. the main nerf was decreasing the dash charges from 3 to 2. essentially it’s 1/3 slower Bulgasari got a small speed buff and they messed around with the HP but overall the main change they did was nerf the shield by like 25%. So u think it’s more or less viable now becuz of that, like ur arguing that was a good thing they did that? Imo bulg was more balanced when they put the indestructible shield bug on it.
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Post by OU812? on Aug 10, 2020 19:49:01 GMT -5
I’m surprised that Pix hasn’t issued a legendary pilot that grants the dash bots a third dash. K’ching!?
Seriously, Pix. There are untapped possibilities.........
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 10, 2020 20:04:43 GMT -5
The old Haechi is only 1 kph less than it is now and 8k hp less. It’s shield is actually higher now than before. They nerfed the shield hard back then but it has since been increased even higher with faster refresh. And the pilot skill more than makes up for the loss of 8k hp. And more significantly, the dash refresh is better now. People don’t realize the Haechi now is actually stronger than before, it’s just that it’s outclassed by new bot releases. the main nerf was decreasing the dash charges from 3 to 2. essentially it’s 1/3 slower Bulgasari got a small speed buff and they messed around with the HP but overall the main change they did was nerf the shield by like 25%. So u think it’s more or less viable now becuz of that, like ur arguing that was a good thing they did that? Imo bulg was more balanced when they put the indestructible shield bug on it. Thats way off. The Haechi never had 3 charges. It’s evident you weren’t around during the dash era by saying this. Bulgasari got a shield and hp nerf. Then later they reverted the hp back to what it was. The shield got buff back up too (I presume it’s back to what it was but don’t quote me on this). It got a significant speed buff from 40 to 45 kph. And the one detail theyve never mentioned and no one really notices is the shield coverage got smaller to where it’s the size of the actually shield now, it used to cover a larger area. I would know the Bulgasari, it’s never left my line up since it was released. And I used the Haechi right up until the Aries era. I know these bots well.
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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 10, 2020 22:38:20 GMT -5
This is how you get new content in the game. The new drone content has a lot of possibilities. People saying the ravana should be nerfed don't understand it is a counter to leech storms. This is why the storms and not the ravana should be nerfed. No it's not, any good game can easily add new content without making old content worthless, I would know, I mostly play better games than War Robots. Also the leech didnt need a counter, titans already did that, also if storm leeches are a huge problem "they arent" Nerf leech, not storms, And if leech were to get nerfed so should basically any other newer meta bot, and nothing op released again, but since that won't happen despite what some cheerfully delusional people may think, leech shouldn't be touched, and storm should be buffed if anything so any bot can make use of it again.
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Post by rags on Aug 11, 2020 0:07:21 GMT -5
the main nerf was decreasing the dash charges from 3 to 2. essentially it’s 1/3 slower Bulgasari got a small speed buff and they messed around with the HP but overall the main change they did was nerf the shield by like 25%. So u think it’s more or less viable now becuz of that, like ur arguing that was a good thing they did that? Imo bulg was more balanced when they put the indestructible shield bug on it. Thats way off. The Haechi never had 3 charges. It’s evident you weren’t around during the dash era by saying this. Bulgasari got a shield and hp nerf. Then later they reverted the hp back to what it was. The shield got buff back up too (I presume it’s back to what it was but don’t quote me on this). It got a significant speed buff from 40 to 45 kph. And the one detail theyve never mentioned and no one really notices is the shield coverage got smaller to where it’s the size of the actually shield now, it used to cover a larger area. I would know the Bulgasari, it’s never left my line up since it was released. And I used the Haechi right up until the Aries era. I know these bots well. my mistake, no need to be rude about it. I played that whole era in griffins, it was brutal. almost finally had enough haechi components then spectre came out, I was so pissed. So they really didn’t nerf haechi at all they just released spectre which could pwn it. That’s like the situation were in with leech and Ravana now. Spectre did get nerfed good and look it’s way less usable than a haechi now. Wiki says they nerfed bulg shield by 29% then buffed it later by 7%. That’s a pretty decent decrease. I brought it up cuz I kno u run them.
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