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Post by Adazahi on Aug 6, 2020 10:13:04 GMT -5
Im sure my signature says nothing about how I feel about this.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Aug 6, 2020 10:16:27 GMT -5
From Pix: Re: Storm Nerf ... Heads up: we plan on testing Storm damage reduction during the next Test Server session. The previous rebalance of shotgun weapons moved them from a "short-range" category (200-400m) into a "close-in" category (100-200m). When we released Ravana and Scorpion, these robots couldn't have come at a better time. They excel at hit-and-run tactics and can enter point blank range easily. For them shotgun weapons are a perfect match. Many of you got used to this new play style and learned to maximize the point blank advantage of shotgun weapons. We are happy to see that. However, as "close-in" weapons the rebalanced shotguns proved to be even too effective. Storm is a perfect example. In Champion league, its nearest equivalents — Scourge and Cryo — deal around 90 000 damage on average during the robot's life span. Storm deals half again as much damage, 132 000 on average during the robot's life span. Storms leave no chance for the rest of "close-in" equipment and to equalize this weapon we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15%. Storm's nerfed version available during this weekend's Test Server.
(we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15% ...)
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Aug 6, 2020 10:36:56 GMT -5
Good! Maybe we'll see slightly more creativity in Ravana loadouts.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Aug 6, 2020 10:41:04 GMT -5
Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms.
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Post by [WÎČK] Cap’nAHAB on Aug 6, 2020 10:44:16 GMT -5
Storms are fine. Ravana is the problem. Typical pix logic
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Post by teraflx on Aug 6, 2020 10:46:03 GMT -5
Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms. I did too. Spent some big gold chunks to upgrade pilot skills and max them for shot grouping. I figured they nerfed the storm so hard last time that there was no way they would do it again. Ugh!
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Post by mechtout on Aug 6, 2020 11:03:09 GMT -5
did you do the limp mod? No one: Pixonic: Okay first one failed, time to nerf these puppies out of existence
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 6, 2020 11:30:27 GMT -5
Storms are fine. Ravana is the problem. Typical pix logic And Storms will be OP on a Ravana even with the nerf. While the Storm is completely obsolote on pretty much every other bot.
My Ravana wrecks in champ, and it's only level 11.1, without shot grouping and any damage boosts. I shudder to think what it could do at 12.2 with a Thermonuke and an Overdrive, and a pilot that is beyond level 40.
Can't speak for the Scorpion, but a Ravana nerf is overdue. Gameplay has gotten ridiculous, with some becons not turning for minutes because Ravanas from both sides are playing peekaboo.
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Post by CravenSouls on Aug 6, 2020 11:59:54 GMT -5
I agree the Ravana is the problem, not the Storm.
While I'm not a fan of Nerfing things, I think the Ravana needs a cool down between ability uses. Maybe 2 seconds before you can use another stored ability.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 6, 2020 12:17:43 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Haven’t they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game.
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Post by CravenSouls on Aug 6, 2020 12:41:40 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Haven’t they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. While we are talking about actually testing things on the TS, I feel level 1.8 is not the optimal level to test anything. Why don't we test max level? It would make testers want to max things out and we could see the real effects.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 6, 2020 12:56:46 GMT -5
I think the Ravana needs a cool down between ability uses. Maybe 2 seconds before you can use another stored ability. ^^^ This guy gets it. ^^^ That may actually be a palatable nerf.
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Post by Munki on Aug 6, 2020 13:07:02 GMT -5
I agree the Ravana is the problem, not the Storm. While I'm not a fan of Nerfing things, I think the Ravana needs a cool down between ability uses. Maybe 2 seconds before you can use another stored ability. So, go back to the original Ravana specifications then? With version 6.0, Pix changed the Ravana with the following stats: Durability increased by 10% Speed increased by 11% Ability cooldown reduced from 16 seconds ? 14 seconds (per charge) New alternative model: Ivory Ravana (6th Anniversary) So if you got the Ivory Ravana, it has 20 % more HP than the original Ravana released with 5.7, along with the speed increase and ability cooldown reduction. So yeah, now that everyone has gotten their Ravanas, maybe they should just return it to 5.7 stats completely. We still have Poe pilot giving a third Transcendence ability. Leave those poor Storms alone. Heck, I am a supporter of Pixonic returning bots to their original specifications after a period of time like a year after initial release. We know they mod them cause they are overpowering the meta of their time but a year down the road they would not. I would like to see Spectre and Haechi given their original abilities for sure!
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Post by [CK]erazor on Aug 6, 2020 13:17:11 GMT -5
Pixonic "fixing" things is like when you have a flat tire on your car and buy a new car instead of replacing the tire. Ravana is the problem, not Storms. And the nerf to Storms will affect all bots (the car) instead of only fixing Ravana (the tire).
Apropos tires. It's getting pretty tiresome Pixonic. Blew all creativity already?
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 6, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -5
I agree the Ravana is the problem, not the Storm. While I'm not a fan of Nerfing things, I think the Ravana needs a cool down between ability uses. Maybe 2 seconds before you can use another stored ability. Alternatively, make bots in transcendence or phase shift not occupy a beacon. So we can turn beacon even though a Ravana squats on it for 2 minutes.
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Post by Flaminius on Aug 6, 2020 13:51:34 GMT -5
Storms are too effective? Mine suck. Haven’t they nerfed these things enough already? Good lord, they create these monstrosities that end up being OP, and then bandaid it by punishing everybody who decides to use them. Note to devs: THIS IS WHAT THE TEST SERVER IS FOR!!!! Test this crap out there before rolling out stuff that breaks the game. Except that we pretty well know nobody there cares about breaking the game. Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. While we are talking about actually testing things on the TS, I feel level 1.8 is not the optimal level to test anything. Why don't we test max level? It would make testers want to max things out and we could see the real effects. Yes! Weapon damage increases more quickly as you upgrade than bot durability, so bots are stronger and weapons weaker than at higher levels.
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Post by Flaminius on Aug 6, 2020 13:53:49 GMT -5
Sorry, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off to no end. Man, I invested in shot grouping on a couple of pilots. This nerf has cost me more than just the price to upgrade the storms. It’s getting harder and harder to justify spending time and effort, never mind spending RM, upgrading anything in this game. Yeah, it boils my piss too.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Aug 6, 2020 14:00:54 GMT -5
Translation: You all already have Shotguns and we need to sell more Atomizers and Cyros so were making your pre existing gear less effective.....
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Post by CrownBlack on Aug 6, 2020 14:07:39 GMT -5
look between pilot skills, boosters, overdrive and therm-nukes even at 15% reduction Storm Ravana is still a killer HOWEVER
just tired of the bull?dookie? of nerf or buff, this is why i am not getting overly enamored with cryos of any kind because next year we will be talking about the nerf to them.
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Post by spectre729 on Aug 6, 2020 14:08:54 GMT -5
what if when i lock a ravana down, the ability doesn't take away the lock down affect??... just an idea that Pix will never add...
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Post by CrownBlack on Aug 6, 2020 14:11:44 GMT -5
Translation: You all already have Shotguns and we need to sell more Atomizers and Cyros so were making your pre existing gear less effective..... i didn't like cryo's on my Ravana so I don't know what I will do. I will more than likely bench it because in all the time i spend using the ability I could be killing something with another bot.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 6, 2020 14:31:30 GMT -5
look between pilot skills, boosters, overdrive and therm-nukes even at 15% reduction Storm Ravana is still a killer HOWEVER just tired of the bull?dookie? of nerf or buff, this is why i am not getting overly enamored with cryos of any kind because next year we will be talking about the nerf to them.I have maxed set of Rime/Cryos on my Nightingale and I want to max another set for my upcoming Scorpion but I don't think I will because, you know, Pixonic. I think bot and weaps will stay at 1.10 unless they prove to be amazingly effective.
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Post by linearblade on Aug 6, 2020 14:44:06 GMT -5
Is this where I get to say lick it up... yummy!??
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 6, 2020 14:52:29 GMT -5
Dear Pix: If you'd stop giving new Bots the special abilities that allow them to reach point-blank range with impunity, there would be no need to nerf CQC weapons.
Sincerely: Common Sense and Good Game Design
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 6, 2020 15:04:22 GMT -5
look between pilot skills, boosters, overdrive and therm-nukes even at 15% reduction Storm Ravana is still a killer HOWEVER just tired of the bull?dookie? of nerf or buff, this is why i am not getting overly enamored with cryos of any kind because next year we will be talking about the nerf to them. The point is not the nerf itself. Hell, few here would complain if Cryos, Ravanas and Nightinggales would be nerfed to make the game more balanced.
The point is, that Pixo is again proving that they don't care about game balance and playing experience. I guess they still want to sell Ravanas and Atomizers (who might become the default option on Ravanas, having higher DPS than Cryos). It's bleeding obvious to any champ player that we have too many Ravanas and they make beacon games unplayable, yet the Storm is hit with the nerf. And no, it's not that Pixo is stupid, they know this as well as we do. It's commercial interests outweighing game balance.
But hey, I have no problem with this nerf if they roll back the pilot system along with the nerf. No problem at all.
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Post by krebby on Aug 6, 2020 15:11:55 GMT -5
Translation: You all already have Shotguns and we need to sell more Atomizers and Cyros so were making your pre existing gear less effective..... i didn't like cryo's on my Ravana so I don't know what I will do. I will more than likely bench it because in all the time i spend using the ability I could be killing something with another bot. Punishers are an good value option. They're cheap and fast to upgrade, and very strong at point-blank range. Yes, the 10 second reload sucks, but you can learn to play around it. Also, unlike Atomizers or Cryos, Punishers are unlikely to be nerfed in the future when Pixonic releases the next brawling weapons.
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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 6, 2020 15:20:00 GMT -5
Is anyone seriously defending this? 「fluffernutter」 that, Ravana is pure cancer and storms are fine, This is ONLY because of the fact people werent fully swapping to Atomizer and Cryo because storms were still usable, They even said ON STREAM they will nerf something if its popular REGARDLESS of it's op or not, Are people seriously falling for the "durr hurr balance" bs? This is sad.
Storms are one of the only fun things this game has left in it, If I can't make them work after this I'm 「fluffernutter」ing gone.
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Post by Flaminius on Aug 6, 2020 15:28:17 GMT -5
look between pilot skills, boosters, overdrive and therm-nukes even at 15% reduction Storm Ravana is still a killer HOWEVER just tired of the bull?dookie? of nerf or buff, this is why i am not getting overly enamored with cryos of any kind because next year we will be talking about the nerf to them. The point is not the nerf itself. Hell, few here would complain if Cryos, Ravanas and Nightinggales would be nerfed to make the game more balanced.
The point is, that Pixo is again proving that they don't care about game balance and playing experience. I guess they still want to sell Ravanas and Atomizers (who might become the default option on Ravanas, having higher DPS than Cryos). It's bleeding obvious to any champ player that we have too many Ravanas and they make beacon games unplayable, yet the Storm is hit with the nerf. And no, it's not that Pixo is stupid, they know this as well as we do. It's commercial interests outweighing game balance.
But hey, I have no problem with this nerf if they roll back the pilot system along with the nerf. No problem at all.
Bang on. Complaining in this game is pretty much banging your head against a wall (but it can be kind of fun doing it). They can't sell power without a lack of balance. It's a shame because you would see all sorts of bonkers builds doing well if they found a better way to make money and balanced the game.
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Post by CarlosDanger on Aug 6, 2020 15:30:08 GMT -5
How many times have I said not to invest too heavily in one weapon type? A lot... that’s how many. Notice that new weapons are all being buffed while old weapons are being nerfed. Pix is stealing from you. It may be legal due to terms of service but severely unethical. The ravana and scorpion are broken... not the storms. Nerf ravana to one charge and remove the legendary pilot ability for an additional. Or double the cool down time. Nerf the scorpion by further reducing range and remove the return ability or just delete them all. Nobody likes them... not even the people that have them. Typical pix... putting lipstick on a pig and calling it pretty. Why are you people still giving them your money?
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Post by rags on Aug 6, 2020 15:39:39 GMT -5
i didn't like cryo's on my Ravana so I don't know what I will do. I will more than likely bench it because in all the time i spend using the ability I could be killing something with another bot. Punishers are an good value option. They're cheap and fast to upgrade, and very strong at point-blank range. Yes, the 10 second reload sucks, but you can learn to play around it. Also, unlike Atomizers or Cryos, Punishers are unlikely to be nerfed in the future when Pixonic releases the next brawling weapons. i ran max puns for a long time, they are awful at point blank becuz they’re bugged. If you’re nose to nose they do no damage and if there is any bit of lag, which there is 90% of the time, inside of like 50m they’re impossible to aim. best way to use them is at like 100-200m. Close quarter they are really frustrating.
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