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Post by rags on Aug 6, 2020 15:47:26 GMT -5
They nerf shotguns to make em only good at point blank. Released two bots that are designed to get point blank. Now theyâre upset becuz ppl arenât using their new midrange weapon on it instead? Pixo is fkn 「slow」.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 15:55:03 GMT -5
Why are you people still giving them your money? I’m in. Whales - Stop spending, stop playing Moderate spenders like me - Stop spending, stop playing F2P - Stop playing The only way players base voice is ever heard is through action. It feels good to vent with fellow players, we all get it. Get your time back, get your life back .... put down them sticks for a solid month. Mass exodus and go! Oh, wait ... where we going?
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 6, 2020 16:12:31 GMT -5
Why are you people still giving them your money? F2P - Stop playing Stop playing and start spending? Got it Chief
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 6, 2020 16:20:12 GMT -5
I’m split on this. No other build with storms other than Ravanna is problematic. The closest would be the Leech. This should indicate that the storms are ok. However, of all the Ravana builds, the storm stands out well above anything else it uses, which indicates the storms are still a problem. I can handle every other Ravana but the storm one — it’s too strong.
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Post by Poopface on Aug 6, 2020 16:39:06 GMT -5
Why are you people still giving them your money?
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Post by T34 on Aug 6, 2020 18:26:29 GMT -5
Translation: You all already have Shotguns and we need to sell more Atomizers and Cyros so were making your pre existing gear less effective..... ^ and that is about all of it. It wasnt OP 2 or 3 nerfs ago and now suddenly it is OP.
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Post by vonpaulus on Aug 6, 2020 18:40:32 GMT -5
what if when i lock a ravana down, the ability doesn't take away the lock down affect??... just an idea that Pix will never add... Or at the very least re-set the timer to zero so that the Ravana doesn’t get the transcendence removing the effect plus the 5 seconds of invulnerability to getting locked down as well. Lock down is a 10 second cycle 5 seconds of LD plus 5 seconds f immunity, Pix added the immunity after players whined about getting locked down multiple times in a row. This goes for all effects that give a window of invulnerability like freeze, the slow down from halo/corona/glory whatever they call it, etc.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 6, 2020 19:32:04 GMT -5
Are they just going to walk back all the buffs and take it back to when it was worse than an Orkan?
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Post by krebby on Aug 6, 2020 19:39:52 GMT -5
Punishers are an good value option. They're cheap and fast to upgrade, and very strong at point-blank range. Yes, the 10 second reload sucks, but you can learn to play around it. Also, unlike Atomizers or Cryos, Punishers are unlikely to be nerfed in the future when Pixonic releases the next brawling weapons. i ran max puns for a long time, they are awful at point blank becuz they’re bugged. If you’re nose to nose they do no damage and if there is any bit of lag, which there is 90% of the time, inside of like 50m they’re impossible to aim. best way to use them is at like 100-200m. Close quarter they are really frustrating. I wasn't aware of this bug. That really sucks. Thanks for telling me. I do use Punishers on a Fenrir and haven't noticed a problem doing damage up close. Perhaps it affects bots differently depending on where the weapons are positioned.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 6, 2020 20:01:08 GMT -5
Is anyone seriously defending this? ?fluffernutter? that, Ravana is pure cancer and storms are fine, This is ONLY because of the fact people werent fully swapping to Atomizer and Cryo because storms were still usable, They even said ON STREAM they will nerf something if its popular REGARDLESS of it's op or not, Are people seriously falling for the "durr hurr balance" bs? This is sad. Storms are one of the only fun things this game has left in it, If I can't make them work after this I'm ?fluffernutter?ing gone. They did the same thing with Orkans when everybody and their mother had quad sets on Sphincters, because that setup was so outrageously OP. Same deal, it was the bot, not the weapon of choice on it, but this is how they think, And then, of course, they eventually nerfed the Sphincter too anyway. I suspect it’s only a matter of time we’ll get our wish and they’ll nerf the Ravana, except it will be about the time they trot out the next meta bot(s), at which point everyone will wish they had left it alone. Take that to the bank.
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 6, 2020 20:30:14 GMT -5
Well it's the storm, 2 overdrive, raider, shot grouping skills that make my Poe a 4 kill ninja.
BUT...it won't change my.play. i have mk 2.5 storms I'll just upgrade to mk 2.8. 15% back.
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Post by Heishiro on Aug 6, 2020 21:05:12 GMT -5
Me running 3 coronas: haha-haha Everyone: time to get coronas.. Pixo: time to nerf coronas..
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Post by kdsteph3530 on Aug 6, 2020 21:13:54 GMT -5
Well it's the storm, 2 overdrive, raider, shot grouping skills that make my Poe a 4 kill ninja. BUT...it won't change my.play. i have mk 2.5 storms I'll just upgrade to mk 2.8. 15% back. +3 levels at MK2 doesn't give you 15% back
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Aug 6, 2020 21:19:09 GMT -5
Pix tries to balance, but only for the top meta. So when they see that Storm, a measly tier 2 weapon, is dealing half again as much damage as tier 4 weapons in the top ranks... well that can’t stand. They think only tier 4 stuff belongs in the top ranks so they nerf and buff to achieve that and how it affects lower ranks is much less a concern. They’re supposed to get the tier 4 stuff eventually anyways.
I looked at a few legend leaguers and they all had at least 2 Storm builds, those should be Atomizers according to Pix.
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Post by spartan44 on Aug 6, 2020 21:37:27 GMT -5
Typical Pix stupidity. They are about as sharp as a pound of wet leather.
If they are looking for something to nerf, may I suggest Ravana, Scorpion, Leech and Ao Ming. They all need it.
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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 7, 2020 0:00:13 GMT -5
Is anyone seriously defending this? ?fluffernutter? that, Ravana is pure cancer and storms are fine, This is ONLY because of the fact people werent fully swapping to Atomizer and Cryo because storms were still usable, They even said ON STREAM they will nerf something if its popular REGARDLESS of it's op or not, Are people seriously falling for the "durr hurr balance" bs? This is sad. Storms are one of the only fun things this game has left in it, If I can't make them work after this I'm ?fluffernutter?ing gone. They did the same thing with Orkans when everybody and their mother had quad sets on Sphincters, because that setup was so outrageously OP. Same deal, it was the bot, not the weapon of choice on it, but this is how they think, And then, of course, they eventually nerfed the Sphincter too anyway. I suspect it’s only a matter of time we’ll get our wish and they’ll nerf the Ravana, except it will be about the time they trot out the next meta bot(s), at which point everyone will wish they had left it alone. Take that to the bank. This^ I put my 2 overdrive units on my leech, leveling them up "slowly", Idea is that it will be somewhat effective at denerfing them, however it will only do so when under 60% hp, I ran the numbers of what 4 mk2 storms will do after the nerf and it's about 50,000 less burst damage, thats huge.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Aug 7, 2020 0:49:50 GMT -5
I’m split on this. No other build with storms other than Ravanna is problematic. The closest would be the Leech. This should indicate that the storms are ok. However, of all the Ravana builds, the storm stands out well above anything else it uses, which indicates the storms are still a problem. I can handle every other Ravana but the storm one — it’s too strong. More and more Scorpions with that loadout are starting to appear in my matches now. They blow their load in mere seconds then high tail it outta there without so much as a cuddle or reach around.
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Post by The VVatcher on Aug 7, 2020 0:56:22 GMT -5
I’m split on this. No other build with storms other than Ravanna is problematic. The closest would be the Leech. This should indicate that the storms are ok. However, of all the Ravana builds, the storm stands out well above anything else it uses, which indicates the storms are still a problem. I can handle every other Ravana but the storm one — it’s too strong. More and more Scorpions with that loadout are starting to appear in my matches now. They blow their load in mere seconds then high tail it outta there without so much as a cuddle or reach around. Scorpions also give me trouble due to the bots I use. But I don’t think they bother meta players.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 7, 2020 6:13:12 GMT -5
Is anyone seriously defending this? ?fluffernutter? that, Ravana is pure cancer and storms are fine, This is ONLY because of the fact people werent fully swapping to Atomizer and Cryo because storms were still usable, They even said ON STREAM they will nerf something if its popular REGARDLESS of it's op or not, Are people seriously falling for the "durr hurr balance" bs? This is sad. Storms are one of the only fun things this game has left in it, If I can't make them work after this I'm ?fluffernutter?ing gone. They did the same thing with Orkans when everybody and their mother had quad sets on Sphincters, because that setup was so outrageously OP. Same deal, it was the bot, not the weapon of choice on it, but this is how they think, And then, of course, they eventually nerfed the Sphincter too anyway. I suspect it’s only a matter of time we’ll get our wish and they’ll nerf the Ravana, except it will be about the time they trot out the next meta bot(s), at which point everyone will wish they had left it alone. Take that to the bank. Still preferable to leaving the OP bot unchecked AND adding yet another OP bot. Better to balance out one and replace it with the new OP thing. There are two or more upsides to this. 1 the total number of game ruining OP does not change. 2 there is time between the nerf of an OP and the proliferation of the replacement. This means that for a time the number of OP bots found in matches will be one less than normal until the replacement proliferates. 3 those who boycotted the bot for being too OP will now have a sensible an balanced bot to play post nerf
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 7, 2020 6:18:54 GMT -5
3 those who boycotted the bot for being too OP will now have a sensible an balanced bot to play post nerf Yeah, but the people who didn’t boycott it get screwed ... twice.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 7, 2020 6:25:17 GMT -5
3 those who boycotted the bot for being too OP will now have a sensible an balanced bot to play post nerf Yeah, but the people who didn’t boycott it get screwed ... twice. Yep. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
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Post by alster on Aug 7, 2020 18:03:43 GMT -5
Pix tries to balance, but only for the top meta. So when they see that Storm, a measly tier 2 weapon, is dealing half again as much damage as tier 4 weapons in the top ranks... well that can’t stand. They think only tier 4 stuff belongs in the top ranks so they nerf and buff to achieve that and how it affects lower ranks is much less a concern. They’re supposed to get the tier 4 stuff eventually anyways. I looked at a few legend leaguers and they all had at least 2 Storm builds, those should be Atomizers according to Pix. Pixonic: We're going to help you use the new things instead of the old stuff.
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Post by Poopface on Aug 7, 2020 18:56:37 GMT -5
I’m split on this. No other build with storms other than Ravanna is problematic. The closest would be the Leech. This should indicate that the storms are ok. However, of all the Ravana builds, the storm stands out well above anything else it uses, which indicates the storms are still a problem. I can handle every other Ravana but the storm one — it’s too strong. More and more Scorpions with that loadout are starting to appear in my matches now. They blow their load in mere seconds then high tail it outta there without so much as a cuddle or reach around.
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Post by alexmcph on Aug 8, 2020 0:00:34 GMT -5
Im glad they are nerfing them. I never had any trouble with shotguns until ravana/scorpion. Back in the days people actually had to work their way close enough to use shotguns and if they got that close they deserved the big damage. Now bots just transcend or teleport across the map with no skill and retreat with no skill, they do not deserve the big damage as they have taken no risk at all.
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 1:26:54 GMT -5
Im glad they are nerfing them. I never had any trouble with shotguns until ravana/scorpion. Back in the days people actually had to work their way close enough to use shotguns and if they got that close they deserved the big damage. Now bots just transcend or teleport across the map with no skill and retreat with no skill, they do not deserve the big damage as they have taken no risk at all. you sound toxic describing all the mods on this forum like that tsk tsk
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Post by rags on Aug 8, 2020 1:29:06 GMT -5
They did the same thing with Orkans when everybody and their mother had quad sets on Sphincters, because that setup was so outrageously OP. Same deal, it was the bot, not the weapon of choice on it, but this is how they think, And then, of course, they eventually nerfed the Sphincter too anyway. I suspect it’s only a matter of time we’ll get our wish and they’ll nerf the Ravana, except it will be about the time they trot out the next meta bot(s), at which point everyone will wish they had left it alone. Take that to the bank. Still preferable to leaving the OP bot unchecked AND adding yet another OP bot. Better to balance out one and replace it with the new OP thing. There are two or more upsides to this. 1 the total number of game ruining OP does not change. 2 there is time between the nerf of an OP and the proliferation of the replacement. This means that for a time the number of OP bots found in matches will be one less than normal until the replacement proliferates. 3 those who boycotted the bot for being too OP will now have a sensible an balanced bot to play post nerf its not preferable at all. It means u have to constantly replace ur bots at a faster rate cuz they’re not just inferior to new bots but they’re also nerfed into uselessness
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 8, 2020 7:00:48 GMT -5
From Pix: Re: Storm Nerf ... Heads up: we plan on testing Storm damage reduction during the next Test Server session. The previous rebalance of shotgun weapons moved them from a "short-range" category (200-400m) into a "close-in" category (100-200m). When we released Ravana and Scorpion, these robots couldn't have come at a better time. They excel at hit-and-run tactics and can enter point blank range easily. For them shotgun weapons are a perfect match. Many of you got used to this new play style and learned to maximize the point blank advantage of shotgun weapons. We are happy to see that. However, as "close-in" weapons the rebalanced shotguns proved to be even too effective. Storm is a perfect example. In Champion league, its nearest equivalents — Scourge and Cryo — deal around 90 000 damage on average during the robot's life span. Storm deals half again as much damage, 132 000 on average during the robot's life span. Storms leave no chance for the rest of "close-in" equipment and to equalize this weapon we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15%. Storm's nerfed version available during this weekend's Test Server.
(we're expecting to reduce it's efficiency by about 15% ...)
Not liking this post because I agree with the storm nerf, but because thanks for taking the time and posting what Pixy had to say in regards. The problem is Ravana, not Storms
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 8, 2020 8:08:09 GMT -5
The problem is Ravana, not Storms Ravana, leech, gale, scorpion- what other bots are really even running storms (effectively)? And again for a maxed Ravana the damage is going for 240k to 208k, you think bots still aren’t going to disappear? This puts them in line with corona. And I still don’t get the argument about wanting more cryo or atomizer. There’s tons of cryo and atomizer isn’t the same. No one running storm is going to replace with that weapon, it’s got a different purpose.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 8, 2020 9:04:41 GMT -5
Still preferable to leaving the OP bot unchecked AND adding yet another OP bot. Better to balance out one and replace it with the new OP thing. There are two or more upsides to this. 1 the total number of game ruining OP does not change. 2 there is time between the nerf of an OP and the proliferation of the replacement. This means that for a time the number of OP bots found in matches will be one less than normal until the replacement proliferates. 3 those who boycotted the bot for being too OP will now have a sensible an balanced bot to play post nerf its not preferable at all. It means u have to constantly replace ur bots at a faster rate cuz they’re not just inferior to new bots but they’re also nerfed into uselessness If you want to chase the meta and jump to the new OP thing then yes. You could also just you know, not do that. I know that it sucks to face the new OP thing without one yourself but the moment a player adopts one then they become part of the problem. If they are fine with that then that is great. They will however get no sympathy from me when their clearly OP thing (whether they see it or not) gets balanced out with the other 90% of the bots in the game and is no longer part of the broken handful of bots club. "My bot is perfectly balanced and reasonable with the vast majority of bots in the game OH GOD NOOOOOO IT'S USELESS NOW"
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 8, 2020 9:53:03 GMT -5
The problem is Ravana, not Storms Ravana, leech, gale, scorpion- what other bots are really even running storms (effectively)? And again for a maxed Ravana the damage is going for 240k to 208k, you think bots still aren’t going to disappear? This puts them in line with corona. And I still don’t get the argument about wanting more cryo or atomizer. There’s tons of cryo and atomizer isn’t the same. No one running storm is going to replace with that weapon, it’s got a different purpose. Ravana with Poe is the biggest problem in the game. Can't beat a bot you can't hit
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