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Post by Joker on Nov 12, 2016 12:28:16 GMT -5
Which do you believe is the better bot?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 13:43:08 GMT -5
Both have their strengths of course, but the rhino is just so much tougher. Either DB can kill any bot, but the Griff has drastically lower survivability.
Befitting their cost, rhino is superior.
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Post by Boofles on Nov 12, 2016 13:43:51 GMT -5
Sorry for my noobness but what does DB stand for? Taran/Mag?
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Post by Joker on Nov 12, 2016 13:45:04 GMT -5
Sorry for my noobness but what does DB stand for? Taran/Mag? Death button, so pretty much a pinata and orkan set up. A Taran and Magnum set up would be considered PDB (plasma death button). |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 12, 2016 15:06:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't agree that the rhino is a better bot. The rhino is not capable of avoiding missiles like the griffin is. Sure you may be able to do some fancy maneuvering to run out of some of the missile fire however the griffin is capable of killing other deathbuttons without taking much damage at all. The griffins jump also allows for the use of many different positions on the map, as you can just jump over a building and fire an entire salvo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 16:10:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't agree that the rhino is a better bot. The rhino is not capable of avoiding missiles like the griffin is. Sure you may be able to do some fancy maneuvering to run out of some of the missile fire however the griffin is capable of killing other deathbuttons without taking much damage at all. The griffins jump also allows for the use of many different positions on the map, as you can just jump over a building and fire an entire salvo. This a sound point. While I still believe the rhino is a better bot objectively in a vacuum, both DB setups are great for very different reasons, as you state. I guess I would ammend my position to say that specifically, a DB rhino would still edge it for me, since the poll is asking you to pick one definitively. But would I take my DB Griffin out of my hangar? No I would not. |
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Post by RightOn on Nov 13, 2016 11:10:21 GMT -5
Griffin
You can hop high over cover and ambush
Rhino is better off with the hybrid, Orkans/mags
Rhino is better off with PDB than Griffin, (because of griffins softness, whereas Rhino can shell up) but is not the first setup. Leave PDB to Ghad.
Now with my Griff I don't use either setup, I use Aphids/Tarans. It's a soft heavy but I soften up targets with Aphids and use the alpha strike to finish off targets quickly. I could use Orkans instead but I trade DPM for burst damage. And that makes sense.... but Griffin isn't TOO fragile. Too fragile for magnums... but not DB or even Aphid/Taran.
If you use magnums, you want them to fire 24/7. Rhino has the shield protection to basically stand there is an invincible mag Stalker. And if you get too close... it dumps orkans in your face.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 13, 2016 12:41:01 GMT -5
Rhino is better off with the hybrid, Orkans/mags. Rhino is better off with PDB than Griffin, (because of griffins softness, whereas Rhino can shell up) but is not the first setup. Leave PDB to Ghad. Now with my Griff I don't use either setup, I use Aphids/Tarans. I could use Orkans instead but I trade DPM for burst damage. And that makes sense.... but Griffin isn't TOO fragile. Too fragile for magnums... but not DB or even Aphid/Taran. Whaaaaat? "Neither. I recommend setups that no one else does. Also, I use something different even from that. And Rhino is better with this AND that with that. Oh, did I mention that I think the alternative is better?" It took me longer than I'd like to admit to even figure out what your point was and I'm still not even certain I understand. Having your logic make no sense and be incorrect didn't help. Please review your posts before posting and then edit for clarity. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 13:33:36 GMT -5
Rhino is better off with the hybrid, Orkans/mags. Rhino is better off with PDB than Griffin, (because of griffins softness, whereas Rhino can shell up) but is not the first setup. Leave PDB to Ghad. Now with my Griff I don't use either setup, I use Aphids/Tarans. I could use Orkans instead but I trade DPM for burst damage. And that makes sense.... but Griffin isn't TOO fragile. Too fragile for magnums... but not DB or even Aphid/Taran. Whaaaaat? "Neither. I recommend setups that no one else does. Also, I use something different even from that. And Rhino is better with this AND that with that. Oh, did I mention that I think the alternative is better?" It took me longer than I'd like to admit to even figure out what your point was and I'm still not even certain I understand. Having your logic make no sense and be incorrect didn't help. Please review your posts before posting and then edit for clarity. I think he means his opinion of optimal sets per bot are: Rhino: Hellfire (Mags, Orkans): Constant fire while advancing, Dual orkan salvos when enemy engages in Rocket range. Griffin: Panda (Aphids, Tarans): High posted light hardpoints= better burst damage over cover, can usually finish off a bot with a full salvo ambush after the first aphid salvo hit-Check Galahad: PDB (Mags, Taran): best PDB bot, fast enough to outrun rockets, has a shield to counter return fire from plasma, a pain to deal with unless you're using tri-tri fury or RDB Griffin. Anyway, in context I vote DB rhino. Rhino's only downfalls when advancing are mid-range and getting flanked. When something is close enough to hurt Rhino through it's shield, it needs to be dealt with, Fast. I'd have to agree with Righton for the first time ever with the hellfire rhino, but that's just personal preference (I don't really care for 15 second reload on pinatas.) |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 13, 2016 17:12:58 GMT -5
Y'all have very one sided arguments. Let's settle it this way. It depends on what your play style is:
Rhino's shield has a much higher durability than the griffin, making it an optimal KF. Rhinos can take more than they give, but with an RDB setup I'd say the give/take ratio is pretty level. The issue is rhinos are only perfect bots for 1 on 1 fights, against hordes they're still strong but with much lower efficiency than taking them all on individually. It's good at capping beacons, but not as good as the griff at capping remote beacons.
Griffin's jump ability is a clear contributing factor to the for argument for the griffin. Given griffins have one of the lowest durability values for heavies, manoeuvrability must make up for everything the griffin loses in 1v1 shootouts. Griffins make good MRSs, due to their ability to John Cena out of nowhere and jump into the fray, unleashing unretaliatable hell on enemy lines. However, without a DB setup, they'll take damage that they won't be able to equal in firepower. It is crucial that griffins empty their load before taking damage.
Thus, in my not-so-humble opinion, I'd say the griffin is better, but we all know that Cossacks are better than both. It's up to the way you take on battles, of course you can carry with both bots, but probably better with a DB rhino. A better question is Cossack or Galahad?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 13, 2016 18:40:48 GMT -5
Y'all have very one sided arguments. Let's settle it this way. It depends on what your play style is: Rhino's shield has a much higher durability than the griffin, making it an optimal KF. Rhinos can take more than they give, but with an RDB setup I'd say the give/take ratio is pretty level. The issue is rhinos are only perfect bots for 1 on 1 fights, against hordes they're still strong but with much lower efficiency than taking them all on individually. It's good at capping beacons, but not as good as the griff at capping remote beacons. Griffin's jump ability is a clear contributing factor to the for argument for the griffin. Given griffins have one of the lowest durability values for heavies, manoeuvrability must make up for everything the griffin loses in 1v1 shootouts. Griffins make good MRSs, due to their ability to John Cena out of nowhere and jump into the fray, unleashing unretaliatable hell on enemy lines. However, without a DB setup, they'll take damage that they won't be able to equal in firepower. It is crucial that griffins empty their load before taking damage. Thus, in my not-so-humble opinion, I'd say the griffin is better, but we all know that Cossacks are better than both. It's up to the way you take on battles, of course you can carry with both bots, but probably better with a DB rhino. A better question is Cossack or Galahad? Cossack or Galahad XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 13, 2016 18:44:49 GMT -5
Y'all have very one sided arguments. Let's settle it this way. It depends on what your play style is: Rhino's shield has a much higher durability than the griffin, making it an optimal KF. Rhinos can take more than they give, but with an RDB setup I'd say the give/take ratio is pretty level. The issue is rhinos are only perfect bots for 1 on 1 fights, against hordes they're still strong but with much lower efficiency than taking them all on individually. It's good at capping beacons, but not as good as the griff at capping remote beacons. Griffin's jump ability is a clear contributing factor to the for argument for the griffin. Given griffins have one of the lowest durability values for heavies, manoeuvrability must make up for everything the griffin loses in 1v1 shootouts. Griffins make good MRSs, due to their ability to John Cena out of nowhere and jump into the fray, unleashing unretaliatable hell on enemy lines. However, without a DB setup, they'll take damage that they won't be able to equal in firepower. It is crucial that griffins empty their load before taking damage. Thus, in my not-so-humble opinion, I'd say the griffin is better, but we all know that Cossacks are better than both. It's up to the way you take on battles, of course you can carry with both bots, but probably better with a DB rhino. A better question is Cossack or Galahad? Cossack or Galahad XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Sorry stupid question ofc Cossack is better, what about Cossack vs chubs? |
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Post by Strayed on Nov 13, 2016 18:50:23 GMT -5
I'd say that it depends on the map. The db griff is great on Dead City, Powerplant, and Shenzhen, but it will get ground down by long range on Spring Field and Yamateau and destroyed by midrange on Canyon as it has no shield protecting it. While the rhino is still vulnerable against midrange rockets, it at least has the speed to stay out of their range or stay within cover without having to worry about long range. The rhino appears to be at its peak on all maps while the db griff is only at its peak on three maps. Therefore, I'd say the db rhino would be the better choice if you don't skip maps or only skip Spring Field.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 13, 2016 18:57:20 GMT -5
I did not expect everyone to be so pro-DB Rhino, I see very little DB rhinos in comparison to DB Griffins (and this is obviously not because the rhinos cost WSP, as I play in gold. I cannot see a world where the DB rhino would be a better choice than the DB griffin.
Let's see the matchups... (I will not include midrange, and against long range the rhino is superior)
DB GRIFFIN MATCHUPS (left)
DB RHINO MATCHUPS (right)
Plasma lance: Difficult / easily achieveable in the right conditions
Ork Lance: Easy / if you stay in 200-300m range of the lance, favourable
PDB Rhino: only achieveable on tight maps or upon ambush / very easy
DB Rhino: Easy / pretty much whoever gets the shots off first
DB Griffin: A real pain if they are experienced pilots / I have no idea how you would kill a DB Griffin in a DB Rhino
PDB Griffin: don't even try / not a big threat if facing 1v1
All types of Galahad: not recommended unless ambush
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Post by Strayed on Nov 13, 2016 19:02:26 GMT -5
Either ambush them or hit them right after they jump. While it is difficult to defeat a db griffin 1v1, if you can get him to waste his payload or avoid it, you should be able to defeat him. Once you encounter a db griffin, he wil probably be expecting you to fire and thus, will jump. Instead of firing, turn back and run in order to avoid his salvo. Once he lands, his payload will be exhausted, and you can maneuver in to deal with him. I've been playing rhinos since October of last year, and this is how I usually deal with db griffins in a db rhino.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Nov 13, 2016 19:26:10 GMT -5
My .02
Just started running hvys last 2 weeks. Moved from 4/7 meds to 6/7 hvys + a Galahad current lvl5 moving to 6.
I run 2 griffins & 1 Rhino:
Pdb griff - best for griff my style bc you don't have to wait & Im fairly accurate.
Hellfire Rhino - switched out pinatas, better for me still learning the (PARTICULARS) of the Rhino - but continual fire of 2 mags. I just swapped 5 days ago & much better. Against others that stand there thinking im doing no damage bc reloading rockets - im wearing the down w the mags. Also MUCH BETTER on approach, able to do some early damage them unleash the rockets!
2nd griff is Rdb - like the challenge of real hunting & then GET OUTTA THERE! after you unload. I dont think I would run 2. Really like the plasma griff.
Galahad - full plasma - Awesomeness - best bot, just hit lvl 5 yesterday. So it is steadily improving. Not so quick but improving, but all around so good, serves so many functions. Probably my next bot to replace my Leo - or save for Lancelot, little ways off for me.
Il like change & variety, I swap the weapons load out to see what I like & a new challenge! Glad there is the weapons variety, it adds so much to the game!
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Post by blognio on Nov 13, 2016 19:35:20 GMT -5
My .02 Just started running hvys last 2 weeks. Moved from 4/7 meds to 6/7 hvys + a Galahad current lvl5 moving to 6. I run 2 griffins & 1 Rhino: Pdb griff - best for griff my style bc you don't have to wait & Im fairly accurate. Hellfire Rhino - switched out pinatas, better for me still learning the (PARTICULARS) of the Rhino - but continual fire of 2 mags. I just swapped 5 days ago & much better. Against others that stand there thinking im doing no damage bc reloading rockets - im wearing the down w the mags. Also MUCH BETTER on approach, able to do some early damage them unleash the rockets! 2nd griff is Rdb - like the challenge of real hunting & then GET OUTTA THERE! after you unload. I dont think I would run 2. Really like the plasma griff. Galahad - full plasma - Awesomeness - best bot, just hit lvl 5 yesterday. So it is steadily improving. Not so quick but improving, but all around so good, serves so many functions. Probably my next bot to replace my Leo - or save for Lancelot, little ways off for me. Il like change & variety, I swap the weapons load out to see what I like & a new challenge! Glad there is the weapons variety, it adds so much to the game! Lol you make me feel poor with 1000 gold |
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 13, 2016 19:49:13 GMT -5
Lol you make me feel poor with 1000 gold That's because you ARE poor. ...but if you save and have patience you'll have the same thing in a few months. |
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Post by blognio on Nov 13, 2016 20:01:26 GMT -5
Lol you make me feel poor with 1000 gold That's because you ARE poor. ...but if you save and have patience you'll have the same thing in a few months. Lol I am poor Oh my gosh my life |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Nov 14, 2016 0:45:18 GMT -5
I grinded for all the gold. I took a while, but if you like playing you will benefit the more you play!
5th slot will always be the best investment for Au!
My win rate with my med bots was steady low/mid 80% after the 5th slot. When you ave 5-8-10 pts @ 80% a match plus 60-70 pts/day on task you can make some steady progress.
Blognio,
Where do you want to go, I built solid high bronze hanger 3-4-5 bot hanger. I want to play gold tier, that where I spent my Au. I still like silver, more run & gun style. But I also want top tier play. With new bots etc.. its like playing a new game again!
*1 try to figure where you want to play
*2 what weapons do u like plasma/rockets/thunders
*3 pick bots that use those weapons
- you can go pretty far only using Ag, weapons & bots if you like rockets.
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