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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 18:17:32 GMT -5
I've been playing for 4 or 5 weeks now, and I can't break into gold league, because every time I get close (1698 was my highest) The new MM and trophies payout system beats me back down. This is my current hanger:  I know someone will say get your 5th bay, but I'm not giving Pixonic another penny till they fix the MM. My plan is as follows: 1) I'm currently upgrading my 4th Taran to level 9 2) I'm going to upgrade my second Thunder to level 9 3) I'm going to upgrade my second Griffin to level 9 4) by the time 1-3 is done I should have enough WP to buy a Carnage so I can move my thunders to it. What I'm struggling with is where do i go from there? I feel my leos just aren't fast or mobile enough, though I love their ability to soak up damage and keep on trucking. However, I feel like its time to retire them. By the time I have the Carnage I should have enough gold to buy a Gareth, or I could use it and silver to quickly level up the Carnage. What would you do? |
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Post by jazzykat on Mar 22, 2017 18:24:59 GMT -5
I read your post, but IMO there is nothing better than a 5th slot for you to break into gold league. Otherwise get some pinatas and put them on a leo, then you can use either the molots or magnums on your 5th bot.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 22, 2017 18:30:02 GMT -5
Earn your gold the old fashioned way, whatever you must do, but get your 5th slot. It will do wonders for you in your league quest.
As an aside, I wouldn't be too keen on jumping leagues until you develop your hangar more. Gold tier get tossed higher up with alarming frequency, and that will kill your rewards and desire to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:33:46 GMT -5
Get your fifth bay!  Or..... Orkans. But hey, its a game - do what you want to do ultimately, but the board consensus will usually be slots, then weapons, then bots. Also, and i am not being a jerk when i say this, but the move to Gold League will happen naturally when you are ready. Like, when you have 5 slots and some Orkans. The games don't get any easier up there, so enjoy silver and stay there as long as you like earning silver and gold. There's no rush to get tougher comp. EDIT: Thunderkiss beat me to it, but there it is... |
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 22, 2017 18:47:22 GMT -5
Your bot levels are about right for Silver 1 and Gold 3 but as you and others mentioned the lack of a 5th slot hurts you. Make it your priority for your Au unless you want to be climbing tiers with one hand tied behind your back.
However, the most striking thing to me is how out of balance your plasma and splash damage is. You have tons of plasma and projectile damage but no splash at all to counter physical shields. You need some rockets, be it pinatas on a Leo, orkans on a Griffin or perhaps an RDB Griffin or trident/pin leo or Natasha.
I wouldn't retire those Leos yet. They're a solid workhorse in gold league. Just change your weaponry a bit and keep leveling your gear.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Mar 22, 2017 18:49:58 GMT -5
5th slot bud, even tho its not the answer you want. My hanger has lower bot and weapon levels than you on android, but I have the 5th slot. My cups are at 1900 right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 19:44:22 GMT -5
Change the Punisher Leo into a Pinata Leo and you should gaining a couple league points.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:10:15 GMT -5
Fifth slot is a bit overrated. If you get down to it you have probably already lost. What its good for is having options. Like a medium range sniper. You are obviously a knife fighter. So I would...
1. Replace the punishers with pinatas.
2. You say you want something more mobile than leo. Boa is basically the fast version of leo. Its a terrific and underrated bot.
3. Buy an orkan. You can either put it on the boa (my recommendation) or start building a death button griffin.
Carnage is a good choice. Fujin is also good. Gareth is the only light bot worth getting.
Once you break into gold you'll immediately start earning less gold and losing more so I don't see what the rush is.
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 20:16:46 GMT -5
Change the Punisher Leo into a Pinata Leo and you should gaining a couple league points. I think I might try this. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:34:01 GMT -5
Fifth slot is a bit overrated. If you get down to it you have probably already lost. What its good for is having options. Like a medium range sniper. You are obviously a knife fighter. So I would... 1. Replace the punishers with pinatas. 2. You say you want something more mobile than leo. Boa is basically the fast version of leo. Its a terrific and underrated bot. 3. Buy an orkan. You can either put it on the boa (my recommendation) or start building a death button griffin. Carnage is a good choice. Fujin is also good. Gareth is the only light bot worth getting. Once you break into gold you'll immediately start earning less gold and losing more so I don't see what the rush is. I agree with everything said here above, especially the Boa suggestion, and the part about not rushing to gold league. But I disagree with the part about only using your 5th slot when the game is lost. I use all 5 of my bots in about 75% of my matches. And no, my win rate is not 25%. Unlike the range support guys, for those of us that love to brawl, having 5 full bots available gives you the freedom to not be a sissy-pants with your 2nd or 3rd bots. You can get in there and mix it up, really mess up somebody's day, especially that timid red guy who is backpedaling from you b/c he only has 4 slots. The 3 and 4 slot guys have to play less aggressively or risk meching out all the time. 5 slots lets you keep the pressure going for the full 10 minutes. Just another perspective. Cheers. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 22, 2017 20:42:58 GMT -5
Fifth slot is a bit overrated. If you get down to it you have probably already lost. What its good for is having options. Like a medium range sniper. You are obviously a knife fighter. So I would... 1. Replace the punishers with pinatas. 2. You say you want something more mobile than leo. Boa is basically the fast version of leo. Its a terrific and underrated bot. 3. Buy an orkan. You can either put it on the boa (my recommendation) or start building a death button griffin. Carnage is a good choice. Fujin is also good. Gareth is the only light bot worth getting. Once you break into gold you'll immediately start earning less gold and losing more so I don't see what the rush is. I agree with everything said here above, especially the Boa suggestion, and the part about not rushing to gold league. But I disagree with the part about only using your 5th slot when the game is lost. I use all 5 of my bots in about 75% of my matches. And no, my win rate is not 25%. Unlike the range support guys, for those of us that love to brawl, having 5 full bots available gives you the freedom to not be a sissy-pants with your 2nd or 3rd bots. You can get in there and mix it up, really mess up somebody's day, especially that timid red guy who is backpedaling from you b/c he only has 4 slots. The 3 and 4 slot guys have to play less aggressively or risk meching out all the time. 5 slots lets you keep the pressure going for the full 10 minutes. Just another perspective. Cheers. I have to agree with Heavyp here, as the match wears on if it looks like we have it under control, I up the aggression and will risk my bots more to get in more damage before the time runs out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:55:24 GMT -5
5th slot. 5 9/9 bots = Gold League II Look to the left. IStandAlone |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:57:20 GMT -5
I agree with everything said here above, especially the Boa suggestion, and the part about not rushing to gold league. But I disagree with the part about only using your 5th slot when the game is lost. I use all 5 of my bots in about 75% of my matches. And no, my win rate is not 25%. Unlike the range support guys, for those of us that love to brawl, having 5 full bots available gives you the freedom to not be a sissy-pants with your 2nd or 3rd bots. You can get in there and mix it up, really mess up somebody's day, especially that timid red guy who is backpedaling from you b/c he only has 4 slots. The 3 and 4 slot guys have to play less aggressively or risk meching out all the time. 5 slots lets you keep the pressure going for the full 10 minutes. Just another perspective. Cheers. I have to agree with Heavyp here, as the match wears on if it looks like we have it under control, I up the aggression and will risk my bots more to get in more damage before the time runs out. Keep in mind, this guy is in silver league trying to get into gold. We're all probably in Diamond I or higher. You don't start regularly needing all your bots, especially if they are nicely upgraded, until higher level matches. With 5000 Au he could rule the roost in Gold III. Triple orkan Fujin and a gareth. Or double zeus carnage and almost enough left over for a Galahad. Etc. Also, playing hard and meching out isn't the end of the world. You can still win. Even win damage and beacons. But I agree that at a certain level of play you'll eventually want a 5th slot. I just think it's possible to buy it prematurely. |
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 21:19:41 GMT -5
Having thought about it over dinner I think I'm going to with this. - upgrade my 4th Taran to level 9
- upgrade my second Thunder to level 9
- replace 2 Punishers with Pintas this will give me a head start on a DB
- get a Carnage and move my thunders to it
- bench the plasma leo
- get another thunder for the pintas leo
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- when I've got the 4 bots up to a good level or if the MM is fixed sooner
- get a 5th slot
- bring the plasma leo back and get a thunder on it leveled up
[/ul][/li][li] save save save[/li][li] - bench the pinta leo for a Lancelot
- put the benched leo's thunder, and a Griffin's Tarans on the Lancelot
- convert the donor Griffin to a DB by mounting the pintas an buying Orkans
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 21:30:48 GMT -5
playing hard and meching out isn't the end of the world. You can still win. Even win damage and beacons. But I agree that at a certain level of play you'll eventually want a 5th slot. I just think it's possible to buy it prematurely. in my league all matches seem to be lopsided. when I'm on the favored team, I usually don't need more than 3 bots max. When I'm on the underdog side like in this match I could have a dozen bots and I'd still bot out, and be in the bottom 2. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/2897/mm-rants?page=2#post-68070when I'm in the rare well balanced match I bot out, but I make the reds feel the pain. :-) This is my new best ever match from earlier this evening.  |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 22, 2017 21:32:22 GMT -5
playing hard and meching out isn't the end of the world. You can still win. Even win damage and beacons. But I agree that at a certain level of play you'll eventually want a 5th slot. I just think it's possible to buy it prematurely. in my league all matches seem to be lopsided. when I'm on the favored team, I usually don't need more than 3 bots max. When I'm on the underdog side like in this match I could have a dozen bots and I'd still bot out, and be in the bottom 2. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/2897/mm-rants?page=2#post-68070when I'm in the rare well balanced match I bot out, but I make the reds feel the pain. :-) This is my new best ever match from earlier this evening. I'd like to point out the 3 beacons in addition to the metric butt-ton of damage...well done! |
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 21:38:48 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the 3 beacons in addition to the metric butt-ton of damage...well done! Thanks! |
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 22, 2017 22:22:26 GMT -5
I have to agree with Heavyp here, as the match wears on if it looks like we have it under control, I up the aggression and will risk my bots more to get in more damage before the time runs out. Keep in mind, this guy is in silver league trying to get into gold. We're all probably in Diamond I or higher. You don't start regularly needing all your bots, especially if they are nicely upgraded, until higher level matches. With 5000 Au he could rule the roost in Gold III. Triple orkan Fujin and a gareth. Or double zeus carnage and almost enough left over for a Galahad. Etc. Also, playing hard and meching out isn't the end of the world. You can still win. Even win damage and beacons. But I agree that at a certain level of play you'll eventually want a 5th slot. I just think it's possible to buy it prematurely. I totally agree with the wise panda too and I just did what our OP is trying to do. I moved from Silver 1 to Gold 3 recently and most of the players I know who play aggressively at that level do regularly use all their bots. It isn't a diamond+ tier thing. It's a playing as hard as possible to win thing. 5000 au worth of premium toys is nice but hardly remarkable in Silver 1 or Gold 3. It will help but it won't rule the roost. Orkans, britbots and Zeus are fairly common by Silver 1 and certainly by Gold 3. They're just a bit lower in level than those in upper gold, diamond and such. The extra slot is an asset that won't lose value, no matter how the meta changes. |
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 22, 2017 22:39:10 GMT -5
My advice - Join a good clan.
I just went gold today, but I don't think I'd have done it solo. I've found a drastic difference between solo and 4-6 clan member matches. We went hunting with a 6-pack(on voice comms) of Thunder Carnages tonight. Crazy good fun, and +80 League points when we were having a riot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:45:34 GMT -5
Also, we need to make sure we are speaking across OS correctly. From what I understand, iOS silver may be a land of level 4 golems. Android silver 1, where the OP plays, will have plenty of Galahad, Lance, carnage, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5
Keep in mind, this guy is in silver league trying to get into gold. We're all probably in Diamond I or higher. You don't start regularly needing all your bots, especially if they are nicely upgraded, until higher level matches. With 5000 Au he could rule the roost in Gold III. Triple orkan Fujin and a gareth. Or double zeus carnage and almost enough left over for a Galahad. Etc. Also, playing hard and meching out isn't the end of the world. You can still win. Even win damage and beacons. But I agree that at a certain level of play you'll eventually want a 5th slot. I just think it's possible to buy it prematurely. I totally agree with the wise panda too and I just did what our OP is trying to do. I moved from Silver 1 to Gold 3 recently and most of the players I know who play aggressively at that level do regularly use all their bots. It isn't a diamond+ tier thing. It's a playing as hard as possible to win thing. 5000 au worth of premium toys is nice but hardly remarkable in Silver 1 or Gold 3. It will help but it won't rule the roost. Orkans, britbots and Zeus are fairly common by Silver 1 and certainly by Gold 3. They're just a bit lower in level than those in upper gold, diamond and such. The extra slot is an asset that won't lose value, no matter how the meta changes. Other than tankers I don't think I've ever seen a triple orkan fujin or even a double zeus carnage in Gold III. Maybe someone has them but they are pretty rare, at least in ios. You would rek fools badly with stuff like that and win lots of damage gold. Also, the sooner you buy premium "toys" the sooner you can start upgrading them rather than continuing to upgrade stuff you'll eventually stop using. You can't upgrade a slot. |
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 22, 2017 23:21:40 GMT -5
Other than tankers I don't think I've ever seen a triple orkan fujin or even a double zeus carnage in Gold III. Maybe someone has them but they are pretty rare, at least in ios. I'm in silver 1 Android and I have seen all of these. I regularly see high level (11 & 12) bots and weapons. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 23:26:02 GMT -5
Other than tankers I don't think I've ever seen a triple orkan fujin or even a double zeus carnage in Gold III. Maybe someone has them but they are pretty rare, at least in ios. I'm in silver 1 Android and I have seen all of these. I regularly see high level (11 & 12) bots and weapons. Fair enough. The difference in leagues between android and ios must not be inconsequential. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 22, 2017 23:26:56 GMT -5
I totally agree with the wise panda too and I just did what our OP is trying to do. I moved from Silver 1 to Gold 3 recently and most of the players I know who play aggressively at that level do regularly use all their bots. It isn't a diamond+ tier thing. It's a playing as hard as possible to win thing. 5000 au worth of premium toys is nice but hardly remarkable in Silver 1 or Gold 3. It will help but it won't rule the roost. Orkans, britbots and Zeus are fairly common by Silver 1 and certainly by Gold 3. They're just a bit lower in level than those in upper gold, diamond and such. The extra slot is an asset that won't lose value, no matter how the meta changes. Other than tankers I don't think I've ever seen a triple orkan fujin or even a double zeus carnage in Gold III. Maybe someone has them but they are pretty rare, at least in ios. You would rek fools badly with stuff like that and win lots of damage gold. Also, the sooner you buy premium "toys" the sooner you can start upgrading them rather than continuing to upgrade stuff you'll eventually stop using. You can't upgrade a slot. Why is there such a divergence between Android and ios? I get the impression that Android seems to be the more competitive platform where ios seems to be comparatively easier to climb the ladder? Are points handed out differently or is it a difference in player population size/skill? |
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 22, 2017 23:27:00 GMT -5
The previous two posts are an excellent example of the dofference between iOS and Android.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 22, 2017 23:53:50 GMT -5
The previous two posts are an excellent example of the dofference between iOS and Android. I understand the tangible difference (encountering tougher competition and higher level/fancy equipment at lower levels) but what is the reason for that divergence? Are Android players more dedicated or do they open their wallets to gain advantage more often? What you see on each platform is the effect, what is the cause? |
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Post by hyderier on Mar 22, 2017 23:55:34 GMT -5
Other than tankers I don't think I've ever seen a triple orkan fujin or even a double zeus carnage in Gold III. Maybe someone has them but they are pretty rare, at least in ios. I'm in silver 1 Android and I have seen all of these. I regularly see high level (11 & 12) bots and weapons. Triple Orkan Fujins seem rare (it does sound like plasma fodder), but Zeus Carnages are common enough in Android Silver3 already, with a good sprinkle of britbots (I'd say every match has Galahads, few have Lancelots, and Gareths are all over the place of course). And they don't look like tankers mostly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 23:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 23, 2017 0:06:47 GMT -5
I don't know, but the difference might be if there is a difference in the number of players on iOS vs Android. Big pool/small pool differences maybe?
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 23, 2017 0:11:35 GMT -5
Just had a game with you IStandAlone Well played good sir! Nice, that was much better than the game after when I got my butt handed to me. |
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