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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 23, 2016 21:48:44 GMT -5
I think I saw a quick blurp on the War Robots wiki about max weapons per tier..
(I fully understand the MM system is broken and freakishly fluid all the time.)
So I was wondering if anybody has the chart or something on it...warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Matchmaking states: There are five layman's tier names that are used. Rookie Under pilot level 6 Bronze Approximately bot level 4 and weap level 6 for light and medium bots. Silver Approximately bot level 6 and weap level 8 for all bot types. Gold Approximately bot level 9 and weap level 11 for all bot types. Top Everything above bot level 9 and weap level 11 but....http://warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Upgrading_Guide also states: Rookie Tier This tier is exclusively for new players when they first start the game. Once players reach level 4 they will move to bronze. Bronze Tier Robots should not be upgraded beyond level 2. Light Bots: Schütze - level 8 weapon Cossack - level 8 weapon Destrier - 2x level 8 weapons Stalker - 2x level 8 weapons Gepard - one level 7 weapon and 2x level 8 weapons Medium Bots: Vityaz - 2x level 6 and one level 7 weapons Golem - 2x level 6 and one level 7 weapons Gl. Patton - 2x level 6 and 2x level 7 weapons Boa - one level 6 and one level 7 weapons Carnage - one level 6 and one level 7 weapons Rogatka - one level 6 and one level 7 weapons Heavy Bots: Rhino (must be level 1) - combination of the 4 weapons is 19 max (for ex. 5/5/5/4, 4/4/5/6) so on and so forth......does anybody really know what levels cap at what tier??
Is it 6 or 7 or 8 for light weapons in bronze?
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Post by springeb on Sept 23, 2016 21:56:57 GMT -5
This ^^^ post is old information and likely only a little useful. There are more updated posts that I think are more useful by Tintehfiend (and others, sorry if I forget other important contributors) on the old wiki forum. Bot types and levels are treated differently (light, mediums, and heavies are not treated equally in silver for example light can be 4/12 and mediums can be 4/9). Perhaps someone can post a link to those old matchmaker tier updates. Posts are long but detailed.
Readers interested in tier information should seek out those posts.
Also note that there is another anticipated update to MM, likely accompanied by some sort of visible player ranking system. I hope something like hangar ratings will be visible in the profile screen, but that seems unlikely.
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Post by Strayed on Sept 23, 2016 23:54:56 GMT -5
Upgrading guide is extremely outdated. Matchmaking is the most up to date and was made with Tinteh's help.
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 24, 2016 0:19:32 GMT -5
Upgrading guide is extremely outdated. Matchmaking is the most up to date and was made with Tinteh's help. Do you know if Tinteh's on this new forum as of yet? |
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 24, 2016 23:29:57 GMT -5
This ^^^ post is old information and likely only a little useful. There are more updated posts that I think are more useful by Tintehfiend (and others, sorry if I forget other important contributors) on the old wiki forum. Bot types and levels are treated differently (light, mediums, and heavies are not treated equally in silver for example light can be 4/12 and mediums can be 4/9). Perhaps someone can post a link to those old matchmaker tier updates. Posts are long but detailed. Readers interested in tier information should seek out those posts. Also note that there is another anticipated update to MM, likely accompanied by some sort of visible player ranking system. I hope something like hangar ratings will be visible in the profile screen, but that seems unlikely. Just in case you missed the point of my post, i will help you to understand it. WE all know those two links are as old as dirt and I said that... I am looking for other avenues to get better information due to the fact that I'm compiling NEW/UPDATED information for the wiki. So to tell other readers to go seek out other pages is intentionally and effectively telling them to ignore my thread and to not respond... why would you do that? |
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Post by Strayed on Sept 24, 2016 23:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 24, 2016 23:37:27 GMT -5
Upgrading guide is extremely outdated. Matchmaking is the most up to date and was made with Tinteh's help. Did I miss something here.... I said... I knew it was old and outdated. I'm not trying to take credit for another persons work, I'm trying to incorporate it into making a new updated one. I did post the links correctly right.... warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Matchmaking warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Upgrading_Guide |
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Post by Strayed on Sept 25, 2016 14:01:00 GMT -5
"There are five layman's tier names that are used.
Rookie
Under pilot level 6
Bronze
Approximately bot level 4 and weap level 6 for light and medium bots.
Silver
Approximately bot level 6 and weap level 8 for all bot types.
Gold
Approximately bot level 9 and weap level 11 for all bot types.
Top
Everything above bot level 9 and weap level 11"
This is correct. Don't forget that level 12 weaps are allowed in low silver with level 4 bots.
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Post by springeb on Sept 25, 2016 15:40:37 GMT -5
Strayed post is accurate to the current MM and helpful. Additionally...
Some players refer to the bottom half of silver as Low Silver (Last Stand)
Light bots (like Gepard, Cossack...) can have level 12 weapons and be bot level 4 and stay in Last Stand
Medium bots (not counting premium bots) can run with level 9 weapons and be bot level 4 and stay in Last Stand
Heavy bots usually have to have very low weapons and are ineffective. The heavies you see in Last Stand tend to be run. By players with a low win rate and usually aren't in the top damage scorers.
Premium bots like WSP bots (stalker, rhino, carnage, fujin,...) can occasionally appear, but they tend to have to be lower bot and weapon levels and their MM bonus seems to be applied to all of the other bots in your hangar as well...so a Last Stand hangar that adds a new WSP bot might be bumped up to the next tier.
Special bots like Gepard and Rogotka seem to avoid this MM bump and usually dominate...thus Last Stand tends to be the stomping ground of the occasional Gepmag squad beat down.
Some players intentionally play in HS to avoid the Gepmag and TaranRog clan squads.
Strayed said that HS tends to have bots level 6 and weapons level 8. This applies to heavies and seems to work with WSP bots, but since the player pool for HS and up tends to be small, players in HS can easily get blended all the way up to full 12/12 maxed hangars.
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Post by Orukal on Sept 25, 2016 21:17:30 GMT -5
Please excuse me for barging in with my own question here, but at least it follows the topic. I'm currently running a 4/7 hangar with all silver-bought mediums and mixed AG, AU, and WSP weapons (Which, from what I understand, don't appear to effect placement). I'm comfortable where I'm now playing, but does anyone have an opinion as to whether I could boost my weapons up to 8 or even possible 9 without effecting too much who I might be placed against? Low, Mid, or High Silver is it is commonly referred to? What thoughts might there be regarding, instead, boosting my bots up to 5 or maybe even 6?
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Post by springeb on Sept 25, 2016 22:02:13 GMT -5
Orukal,
Check the profiles of players that are regularly top damage in your games. If they have high win rate % (higher than yours) and have bots that have higher weapons, then you can safely up your weapons. I think you would be ok up to 8 for sure and likely also up to 9 on your medium bots because they are all bots bought with silver Ag.
If you play often in your tier and don't often see Maggeps ... You might stay where you are to continue to avoid those players with Gepard 4 / mags 12. One of my own hangars is mediums 3 / weapons 6, and it does a good job of playing low enough to avoid the worst of the Gepmag squads.
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Post by Orukal on Sept 25, 2016 22:49:48 GMT -5
Orukal, Check the profiles of players that are regularly top damage in your games. If they have high win rate % (higher than yours) and have bots that have higher weapons, then you can safely up your weapons. I think you would be ok up to 8 for sure and likely also up to 9 on your medium bots because they are all bots bought with silver Ag. If you play often in your tier and don't often see Maggeps ... You might stay where you are to continue to avoid those players with Gepard 4 / mags 12. One of my own hangars is mediums 3 / weapons 6, and it does a good job of playing low enough to avoid the worst of the Gepmag squads. I would say that 7-8 times out of 10 I'm doing top damage anywhere from %20-%50 of the next highest. I like your logic in this, though, so I'm going to give that a shot. Are you referring to ANY Mag Geps or hangars with 3-5 Mag Geps in them? I do see the occasional Mag Gep now, but I used to see more just a week or two ago so I'm not sure what changed there. |
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 26, 2016 15:13:40 GMT -5
The other two (2) issues I'm having trouble with are:
1. The 100+ point variance between bots... If anyone plays a Light bot at level 2 with weapons avg of 3 (that means a lvl1 wep + a lvl2 wep) for a score of 165.
think Destrier with gau+at...
can realisticly be matched up with a 3/5, 265 point Cossack...think level 3 cossack w/ a lvl 5 Taran!! the MM system does not make a distinction between L/M/H weapons, but rather only the bots..
Does anyone else other than the cossack pilot think this is unfair? please let me know.
2. Why is it, a player will ALWAYS BE fighting stronger opponets, very few weaker oponets and hardly ever the same opponets?
Blue team is roughly 600 points per player hanger x 6 players = 3600, fighting red team at roughly 1000 points per player hanger x 6 players = 6000...
Again does anyone else other than the red team think this is unfair? please let me know.
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Post by Divine Thunder on Sept 26, 2016 15:47:07 GMT -5
It has been discussed and pretty much accepted that pix calculated our win/ % into maychmaking. Usually, when i face stronger bots and bother to check profiles, it turns out they have win % below 50.
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Post by Orukal on Sept 26, 2016 22:00:54 GMT -5
I'm curious if they'll ever begin adding a multiplier for WSP and au weapons instead of just for the robots.
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Post by lysergic on Sept 26, 2016 22:09:09 GMT -5
shhh don't give them any ideas.  |
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 27, 2016 5:54:06 GMT -5
Speaking of which, who on this forum works for or advises pix?
or more bluntly.... who's the mole?
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Post by Strayed on Sept 27, 2016 20:09:03 GMT -5
ME!!!!!!
*Dun Dun DUN!*
Seriously though, I'm guessing that pix hasn't found the new forum yet.
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 28, 2016 11:59:02 GMT -5
Funny thing I've learned over the years....
when you find cheats, hacks, glitches or anything to help a brother out in ANY game...
why do they always run right to the forum and go (lookie, lookie what I found) and then within a reasonable amount of time a new update comes out to squish it?
My advive.... when you find something....keep your mouth shut... maybe, only maybe tell a few CLOSE friends, so they can tell a few friends....
but to openly post an advantage that you found yourself......is self distructive.
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Post by Duodec on Sept 28, 2016 12:19:48 GMT -5
Because that's a bannable offense. This forum is for the enhancement of the legitimate playing experience. Cheats, hacks, or other exploits are a despicable way to gain an advantage, and attention brought to them allows them to be fixed, as they should be.
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Post by slizzy on Sept 28, 2016 16:09:50 GMT -5
I beg to differ on WSP weapons not adding a hidden multiplier.
I run a lvl1 gep with 2 lvl5 Pinata and 1 lvl 3 Punisher. I see 1 mag geps in a blue moon and never see 3mag geps.
As soon as I replace my lvl3 punisher with a lvl3 mag, I start seeing 3 mag geps along with rogs and other meaty medium mechs.
Everywhere I read it says WSP weapons don't add to a matchmaking but to my experience it does. Literally the first match I put in my solo mag I will see an upgraded MM.
One question, how much does gep add to MM in general? Is a lvl1 gep = lvl2 light mech for MM formula? Trying to figure out my MM score so I know how to balance the rest of my hanger since I don't have 5 geps...
slizzy
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Post by niahcyan on Sept 28, 2016 17:42:44 GMT -5
I want to get to silver, I don't know what I need to upgrade to get in that tier.  |
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Post by Muhlakai on Sept 28, 2016 18:51:10 GMT -5
I want to get to silver, I don't know what I need to upgrade to get in that tier. Your answer has already been given in this thread. I would start by not upgrading that Gep's weapons any further yet. You need to level the bots themselves and your other weapons. |
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Post by springeb on Sept 28, 2016 19:21:09 GMT -5
I want to get to silver, I don't know what I need to upgrade to get in that tier. Niah, It looks like you understand and enjoy the thunder. The following is what I recommend to friends and coworkers that have been playing in the same tier as you (lights: Destrier, Cossack, and Schutze). Most higher tier players recommend having weapons ready before you buy the bots. Note -- you could move to medium bots in high bronze before going to silver and still enjoy medium bots and a different game flow by playing medium bots level 4 / weapons level 6. I recommend you build a HB hangar (medium bots around 4/6) to figure out the mediums you like before you jump into Low Silver tier (light bots 4/12; medium bots 4/9)... For medium tier, you could keep your Gep to beacon cap (it would be fast and sturdy and still pack some punch - as weapons could be leveled higher than medium bots' weapons). Most effective weapons on the Gepard would be matching...magnumsX3, pinatasX3, CRVx3...etc. then in you would likely enjoy Boa 4 / Thunder9 Taran9 (substitute orkan for Taran if you have bankroll) Third bot should be something that build other weapons you can use at higher tiers. It would be good to have TOP Golem (expensive due to orkan), Thunder/Taran/Magnum Golem (costs WSP...), Patton Pinatas (plays like a DB, find cover and surprise reds ... Do lots of damage fast)... Another bot that only costs AG is Vityaz Thunder/Pinatas until you can get weapons for one of the other bots. If you have CA$H to get a Taran Rogatka it would be a very effective silver tier bot. Fourth bot could be another short distance medium or you may want a medium distance support bot since you will see large maps like Springfield and Yama in silver tier. Ag only medium support bots would be Vityaz Kwk+CRV, Golem Kwk+Tulumbas+CRV, or Patton CRV. if it helps to know what weapons are still useful as you get to the top tiers (different players have different opinions, but these all show up in higher tier hangars): AG: Thunder, Pinatas, Tulumbas, CRV WSP: Tarans, Magnums, Tridents AU: ORKANS, Zeus (if they fix the damage glitch) |
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Post by moody on Oct 11, 2016 18:50:24 GMT -5
I beg to differ on WSP weapons not adding a hidden multiplier. I run a lvl1 gep with 2 lvl5 Pinata and 1 lvl 3 Punisher. I see 1 mag geps in a blue moon and never see 3mag geps. As soon as I replace my lvl3 punisher with a lvl3 mag, I start seeing 3 mag geps along with rogs and other meaty medium mechs. Everywhere I read it says WSP weapons don't add to a matchmaking but to my experience it does. Literally the first match I put in my solo mag I will see an upgraded MM. One question, how much does gep add to MM in general? Is a lvl1 gep = lvl2 light mech for MM formula? Trying to figure out my MM score so I know how to balance the rest of my hanger since I don't have 5 geps... slizzy I agree. I have from time to time run a level 1 / 3 hanger of Cossack punishers for gold mining. Still saw a fair number of Gepards destroying the games. But at one point, just for the experiment I put a level 3 Taran on a Cossack and played 3 games. In all of these I was seeing mostly mediums and was way outmatched. I think maybe some WSP weapons have an effect while others do not. |
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Post by colonelblackjack on Oct 14, 2016 14:23:54 GMT -5
As long as the MM system keeps pulling from the higher tiers, it's hard to say..
I've run lvl 1/1 Dest and still was fighting aganst lvl 3/4 pattons and 2/6 bots griffs..
but when I run a 3/4 patton......heavys all the way, tons of plasma weapons...so I don't know.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 14, 2016 15:37:29 GMT -5
As long as the MM system keeps pulling from the higher tiers, it's hard to say.. I've run lvl 1/1 Dest and still was fighting aganst lvl 3/4 pattons and 2/6 bots griffs.. but when I run a 3/4 patton......heavys all the way, tons of plasma weapons...so I don't know. To follow the questions being asked about WSP weapons... can you do us a favor? Can you try the same test but make sure when you add the 3/4 Pat that you have no WSP weapons equipped in the hanger in its entirety, not just on the Pat. Then add a mag or two and see if there is a difference? If not, no worries I might try it when I get to play next... not sure I have enough low level weapons though... but at that level they are cheap enough so I may get to... but it might be a few days before I get to play if I go out of town like I think I might. Cheers! |
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