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Post by Vectivus on Mar 15, 2017 14:34:12 GMT -5
Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. There is no "ethical tanking". I'm sure Pix will roll out a punishment for it sooner or later, though. I hope it's a 2-strike system, myself; one temporary ban of three days, then a permanent ban after. No exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:26:49 GMT -5
Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. Well, it is a trigger word around here So, by "ethically" tanking... do you mean something along the lines of using inferior bots/weapons until the system adjusts you to a similar league? Or just focusing on Beacons and not doing enough damage to place high enough to advance through the leagues? Just curious... BTW, for transparency... I really wish we would differentiate the "tanking" scenarios, better. If am in Diamond... and I have only level 6 bots and level 6 weapons, I would be out of my league... (teehee) and, over time, my consistent last place finishes would, eventually, drop me down to a proper place. That is the system working as intended. Ditching and going AFK are not the same thing. My gentlest tanking is to run support bots and decoys and neither try to win beacon nor damage gold. Next gentlest is to replace 50-90% of my weapons with Ecu shields and just run around capping beacons and taking fire for my teammates. More often than not this results in a win but lowers my stats. Additionally, whenever I'm on a team with a frozen or missing teammate I leave after a minute or so. We are almost certainly going to lose anyhow so I might as well as use the opportunity to do some serious tanking and start up another match. And lastly, If I lose my 3rd or 4th match in a row because of trident furys or 12/12 ancelots or incompetent teams up against skilled teams, I eventually lose my shlt and do "real" tanking. I drop in with a completely unarmed, painted griffin and just stand there. After a minute I leave the match and do it again. I do this until I drop down one or two microleagues. Dropping in with a painted, unarmed bot is a courtesy to let other players know what I'm doing and give tham an opportunity to either leave the match or tank themselves. Even if they don't understand what I'm doing, if they are serious about winning they ought to be able to deduce that they are about to lose, or at least that the odds are now severely stacked against them. If they are the type of person who hates having the odds stacked against them, they can see from the very beginning of the match, even during countdown what is about to happen and take appropriate action.
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Post by lonesentinel on Mar 16, 2017 1:32:17 GMT -5
I had a match on YAMA where my team spawned 5v6. On my side were 2 RDB, treb fury, hydra fujin. I spawned a PDB griff to go for center beacon as I always did. But seeing my team all going mid range, I knew I stood no fight against the 3 reds going for CB, lobbing aphids and all. After my first bot died, I respawned to an enemy ancillot 200m away from my spawn point and a treb fury in range of sniping anyone just coming out of spawn. Seeing no way to tip the beacon game, I then spawned my rhino to literally push my treb fury off his camping spot. Because by then we were 4-1 beacons on a 5v6 match. Somehow still ended up with 2nd highest damage on my team.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 16, 2017 16:36:44 GMT -5
It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. I also Tank ethically. No Reds were harmed in the making of this Tank-job.
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Post by hurtbot on Mar 16, 2017 18:21:18 GMT -5
It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. Well, this really about semantics. Being an "ethical tanker" is kinda like being partially pregnant. If you aren't screwing your teammates, you aren't tanking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:58:20 GMT -5
Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. Well, this really about semantics. Being an "ethical tanker" is kinda like being partially pregnant. If you aren't screwing your teammates, you aren't tanking. If your performance statistics and league ranking are tanking then you are "tanking." What do you think the word literally means? It isn't a synonym for screwing teammates.
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Post by hurtbot on Mar 16, 2017 19:04:36 GMT -5
Well, this really about semantics. Being an "ethical tanker" is kinda like being partially pregnant. If you aren't screwing your teammates, you aren't tanking. If your performance statistics and league ranking are tanking then you are "tanking." What do you think the word literally means? It isn't a synonym for screwing teammates. It's called context. In this context tanking is defined as an individual who is purposely throwing games in order to drop to a league where there is less competition... which screws your teammates. Book is to tome as screwing your teammates is to purposely throwing games. If someone says that you are a flash in the pan, they aren't calling you a brief light emanating from a cooking utensil.
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 16, 2017 20:19:40 GMT -5
Well, it is a trigger word around here So, by "ethically" tanking... do you mean something along the lines of using inferior bots/weapons until the system adjusts you to a similar league? Or just focusing on Beacons and not doing enough damage to place high enough to advance through the leagues? Just curious... BTW, for transparency... I really wish we would differentiate the "tanking" scenarios, better. If am in Diamond... and I have only level 6 bots and level 6 weapons, I would be out of my league... (teehee) and, over time, my consistent last place finishes would, eventually, drop me down to a proper place. That is the system working as intended. Ditching and going AFK are not the same thing. My gentlest tanking is to run support bots and decoys and neither try to win beacon nor damage gold. Next gentlest is to replace 50-90% of my weapons with Ecu shields and just run around capping beacons and taking fire for my teammates. More often than not this results in a win but lowers my stats. Additionally, whenever I'm on a team with a frozen or missing teammate I leave after a minute or so. We are almost certainly going to lose anyhow so I might as well as use the opportunity to do some serious tanking and start up another match. And lastly, If I lose my 3rd or 4th match in a row because of trident furys or 12/12 ancelots or incompetent teams up against skilled teams, I eventually lose my shlt and do "real" tanking. I drop in with a completely unarmed, painted griffin and just stand there. After a minute I leave the match and do it again. I do this until I drop down one or two microleagues. Dropping in with a painted, unarmed bot is a courtesy to let other players know what I'm doing and give tham an opportunity to either leave the match or tank themselves. Even if they don't understand what I'm doing, if they are serious about winning they ought to be able to deduce that they are about to lose, or at least that the odds are now severely stacked against them. If they are the type of person who hates having the odds stacked against them, they can see from the very beginning of the match, even during countdown what is about to happen and take appropriate action. ...Yup. Screwing your teammates. Oh well. Pix is on to y'all, and I do hope whatever they roll out is positively savage. Rest assured I'll be drinking a shot or three to it when it happens
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Post by hurtbot on Mar 16, 2017 22:09:19 GMT -5
I concur with this rant, and see evidence that the new MM/leagues has made the situation far worse. I'm seeing more and more hangars with mostly level 8-9 bots like mine, but with one or more Furies, Carnages, Pattons or Natashas with level 12 trebs, gekkos, and tridents. This is only possible because of the new MM. The old level-based MM would never have allowed level 12 tridents in matches with level 8 bots. I'm seeing this a lot too. The "damage factor" comes into play here too. You used to see a lot more snipers focusing on the long and mid-range threats, but with everyone focusing on damage, they're shooting at anything that moves every chance they get instead of saving the volley for a specific target. The big open maps really suck since a lot of these guys are also only playing those maps, and the knife-fighters are avoiding them so they are really concentrated. If you have a mostly close-range hanger, you can count on a rough ride.
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Post by War Child on Mar 17, 2017 13:27:59 GMT -5
I try to tank ethically BTW. It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. What if it was because your hanger was heavily out matched by other players?My win rate dropped even me without trying to tank,so even then why would I spend in a hopeless match once the reds take control over and knowing that my hanger can't handle the situation?I dropped from matches so I can win/lose in fair matches instead of always losing in unfair ones.Now I returned to Silver one and I've gotten alot better with my hanger.Sometimes,you just gotta tank for fair play,which is better than to stay where your outclassed and lose cuz you were weak in that match.
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 17, 2017 16:12:37 GMT -5
It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. What if it was because your hanger was heavily out matched by other players?My win rate dropped even me without trying to tank,so even then why would I spend in a hopeless match once the reds take control over and knowing that my hanger can't handle the situation?I dropped from matches so I can win/lose in fair matches instead of always losing in unfair ones.Now I returned to Silver one and I've gotten alot better with my hanger.Sometimes,you just gotta tank for fair play,which is better than to stay where your outclassed and lose cuz you were weak in that match. You don't get to decide what's "hopeless" for an entire team of 6. You're not the only one playing. I'm regularly in matches where my team is 7/8 vs 10/11. Those battles can go either way, because superior tactics are the most important thing. Some frustration is understandable. Tanking never is, because you screw your teammates. Frankly, those that feel they must cause their team to lose in order to occasionally enjoy beating up weaker teams should find another game to play. Players like that are neither wanted or needed by those who take teamwork seriously.
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Post by IStandAlone on Mar 17, 2017 16:53:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that Pixo designed the game with various types of bots and weapons available to encourage or enable a variety of game play, but this long-range sniper ?poo-poo? really sucks, especially when you face two or three on the opposite side. I enjoy move & shoot a lot, and to me that's the essence of this game, and really any FPS. The lack of cover on certain maps makes running & gunning nearly impossible in certain matches, and has become all too common since the new MM was introduced. It would be fine if Pixo could write a MM that could actually get a match closed to balanced. I had a match like this last night on Springfield, the reds started off with 3 furys all running leveled up Trebs, a stalker, a griffin and a Gareth. They quickly grabbed 3 beacons, and then camped out the rest of the match. Since blue was running mostly knife fighters we got hosed big time.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 17, 2017 16:57:44 GMT -5
It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. What if it was because your hanger was heavily out matched by other players?My win rate dropped even me without trying to tank,so even then why would I spend in a hopeless match once the reds take control over and knowing that my hanger can't handle the situation?I dropped from matches so I can win/lose in fair matches instead of always losing in unfair ones.Now I returned to Silver one and I've gotten alot better with my hanger.Sometimes,you just gotta tank for fair play,which is better than to stay where your outclassed and lose cuz you were weak in that match. The "hopeless" games are not always that hopeless. I have been in games, many times, where a large 4 beacon lead by one team was lost in, literally, the last minute, by the other team rallying and getting all 5 beacons. I've been on both the winning and the losing team for those situations. In one, I remember well, because I and one other team member were left after 4 ditched in the middle of the damn match. I just decided that I didn't care what the numbers were, and was going to play it like any other game. We managed to win because I went after beacons in my Galas and he kept them focused on his Hydra Fujin. We turned it around and were ahead... then in the last 20 secs we meched out. We still won, though, bc we had turned the Beacon deficit back into our direction so far, with 5 Beacons, that the dominance bar for the Reds went out before the game registered that we had no more bots left. Those wins, are the most memorable ones that I have. Coming from behind and pulling out the victory is waaaay more fun than tanking down to the realm of noobs and shooting them up like an old FPS with "God" mode engaged. Some of these crazy wins I was absolutely floored about, b/c the levels of their bots and weapons (11-12/12) were far above mine (8-9/9). A good team will beat a good Hangar almost all the time from 9/9 on up. If your hangar is too weak and you keep doing less damage than your team mates, while still trying, it will drop you down on its own, over time. The natural tanking phenomenon. It is not instantaneous, however, and you may have to play a while before it does it... but it will do it... from my experience. JMO, YMMV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:03:08 GMT -5
Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. There is no "ethical tanking". I'm sure Pix will roll out a punishment for it sooner or later, though. I hope it's a 2-strike system, myself; one temporary ban of three days, then a permanent ban after. No exceptions. Yes there is. It's using Destriers when you tank to recruit.
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Post by odin63 on Mar 18, 2017 0:11:02 GMT -5
If I could only get a dollar everytime someone posts something like this. It's the rant section. It doesn't matter how many times we've seen it, it's their time to relieve overwhelming frustrations. Besides, I enjoy a really creative rant that expresses exactly what I'm feeling.
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Post by missleboatssuck on Mar 18, 2017 0:28:55 GMT -5
OP... you have either Galahads or Gareths? They are an easy answer to Trebs... Or, you can sacrifice a weapon on something that has a hardpoint that will hold an ECU. Point that sucker at them and run like you stole it! What ?Cow Chips?. Galahads get 2 shotted by TT fury's just trying to close the distance. I have a Galahad i know, lvl 10. Still 2 shotted by them. Ancelots, lvl 9, 3 shotted. Now you did say trebs, but tridents are the real issue here and its rare to see trebs without tridents as well. The point is when you see them, you might as well drop match, because you will lose 9/10 times. Pix stacked game against plasmahads/Gareths with last missile buff. When you compare dps/dpm its important to consider range in the equation. If you can 2-3 shot me before i can get in range to fire your effective dps/dpm is 3x your damage value and mine is 0. That's not balance imo.
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Post by missleboatssuck on Mar 18, 2017 0:34:39 GMT -5
What if it was because your hanger was heavily out matched by other players?My win rate dropped even me without trying to tank,so even then why would I spend in a hopeless match once the reds take control over and knowing that my hanger can't handle the situation?I dropped from matches so I can win/lose in fair matches instead of always losing in unfair ones.Now I returned to Silver one and I've gotten alot better with my hanger.Sometimes,you just gotta tank for fair play,which is better than to stay where your outclassed and lose cuz you were weak in that match. You don't get to decide what's "hopeless" for an entire team of 6. You're not the only one playing. I'm regularly in matches where my team is 7/8 vs 10/11. Those battles can go either way, because superior tactics are the most important thing. Some frustration is understandable. Tanking never is, because you screw your teammates. Frankly, those that feel they must cause their team to lose in order to occasionally enjoy beating up weaker teams should find another game to play. Players like that are neither wanted or needed by those who take teamwork seriously. 1) you absolutely do get to decide what is fair. 7/8 vs 10/11 is hopeless and you are lying if you say that any strat can make up for that difference.
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Post by Strayed on Mar 18, 2017 0:54:20 GMT -5
Just saying, but you might find the fury more fun that you first thought, it was that way for me as well.
You should sign up for the next test server if you want to try the fury out.
Either way, with the advent of anicle buffs and more useful anicle bots, the trident fury caze is dying down a bit. It probably won't completely die out as long as pixo doesn't hard nerf tridents though.
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Post by missleboatssuck on Mar 18, 2017 0:57:07 GMT -5
Just saying, but you might find the fury more fun that you first thought, it was that way for me as well. You should sign up for the next test server if you want to try the fury out. Either way, with the advent of anicle buffs and more useful anicle bots, the trident fury caze is dying down a bit. It probably won't completely die out as long as pixo doesn't hard nerf tridents though. In what tier? That's the majority of meta bots in plat 1.
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Post by missleboatssuck on Mar 18, 2017 1:12:17 GMT -5
Generally not fun when you lose 9/10 matches. I've just lost 6 in a row. New MM is bs.
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Post by odin63 on Mar 18, 2017 2:56:40 GMT -5
Wow you are being thick today. It's not hard in a Gary, to run a route that does not take me between two reds. Then, at the Beacon, I watch for anyone coming. If a flanker happens to come by... I adjust position so that I can engage it without exposing myself to the sniper. Do I need to break down how to look around? You look around. GOSH why didn't you think of that? That can be pretty tough in games with a very aggressive red team, and db griffs can quickly eliminate that fleeting safety margin with their jump and weapon ranges. The splash damage from db griffs and tri/carns alone can make your beacon runs a nightmare, even with the speed and nimbleness of a gary. Stalkers can be effective, but timing your stealth mode against a full red squad is difficult too. Flanking is inevitable unless you're running around the perimeter of the battle. That takes time and can leave you vulnerable to snipers and easily cut off. If you're running a gary your weapons range is probably 300-350m, which makes it difficult to engage anybody but the impatient and all but impossible for engaging the long gunners the rant is talking about.
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 18, 2017 9:53:46 GMT -5
You don't get to decide what's "hopeless" for an entire team of 6. You're not the only one playing. I'm regularly in matches where my team is 7/8 vs 10/11. Those battles can go either way, because superior tactics are the most important thing. Some frustration is understandable. Tanking never is, because you screw your teammates. Frankly, those that feel they must cause their team to lose in order to occasionally enjoy beating up weaker teams should find another game to play. Players like that are neither wanted or needed by those who take teamwork seriously. 1) you absolutely do get to decide what is fair. 7/8 vs 10/11 is hopeless and you are lying if you say that any strat can make up for that difference. 1. You can think something is unfair, but you still have to play a match that you agreed to play with other folks, or else be rightly labeled as selfish. You think the game is so unfair right now, don't play until it sorts itself out. 2. Get Good, son. ;-)
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 19, 2017 17:42:34 GMT -5
I run almost exclusively medium bots. When I start getting battlefields filled with furys and other long/medium range snipers I simply tank back down to a league where the game is still fun and more knife fighting. I try to tank ethically BTW. Normally I don't feel the need to argue w tankers 1 on 1 but since u claim that your taking an ethical approach, maybe u could b swayed to do the right thing here. Tanking is never ethical because the game already strives to place players in balanced matches. When u game the system, it messes it up for everyone else who is letting the system sort them, instead of the players trying to sort themselves out ('the game thinks I'm better than I actually am, therefore I need to purposely lose to show it how bad I really am'). This logic is so weak it puts a sour taste in my mouth- if u actually think ur getting put in unfair matches all the time- this should b reflected by a low win%, and the game will react by putting u in easier matches. It's such a huge ego trip to think 'oh yeah I'm so ahead at this game that I need to lose on purpose just for the game to know how to fairly sort me'. And about your example of the mid/long range bots 'always beating u'(ouch, u must b pretty bad then, seeing as how everyone else seems to b doing just fine, even w snipers around): totally weak argument bc LOOK AT TOP TIER HANGARS. THEY ALL RUN HELLA CLOSE RANGE. Oh but I guess u had to tank to get back to where 'the game is more fun' o u mean so back to when u could win easily bc ur better than everyone else on the field? Gosh I am very frustrated by u sir/ma'am. In any case. Stop kidding yourself. And I don't know if it was u that said 'if u drop in an unarmed paint job bot, then ur tanking in a respectful way' what??!!!! Dude what planet do u come from. If u want to tank, then tank. Just don't try to act like you're anything to the community but an annoyance and frustration. Personally I hope that if u have the attitude that u should b allowed to tank bc u have some skewed idea about how good you r, then u never play again plz. THANK YOU COME AGAIN
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 20, 2017 9:32:07 GMT -5
OP... you have either Galahads or Gareths? They are an easy answer to Trebs... Or, you can sacrifice a weapon on something that has a hardpoint that will hold an ECU. Point that sucker at them and run like you stole it! What ?Cow Chips?. Galahads get 2 shotted by TT fury's just trying to close the distance. I have a Galahad i know, lvl 10. Still 2 shotted by them. Ancelots, lvl 9, 3 shotted. Now you did say trebs, but tridents are the real issue here and its rare to see trebs without tridents as well. The point is when you see them, you might as well drop match, because you will lose 9/10 times. Pix stacked game against plasmahads/Gareths with last missile buff. When you compare dps/dpm its important to consider range in the equation. If you can 2-3 shot me before i can get in range to fire your effective dps/dpm is 3x your damage value and mine is 0. That's not balance imo. That advice wasn't for fighting them... it was for the opening beacon runs. And yes, specifically for trebs. FFS do you think that I don't come across those matches? I do. It is what it is... like the clubbers of old, those matches are not every match, but when you get them, especially a few in a row, it sucks. However... I have found in SF, that a shield bot will guarantee me the opening beacons. Use the terrain, like that fold in the land behind center, to go from farm to Dam... and there is that way to come up behind the city beacon. Basically, all I am saying is that there is a way to handle it if you want to... no it is not easy... no it isn't always the answer... and, admittedly, at the top tiers it could be completely different... however, I would not have posted it if it hadn't helped me in my games... I'm not just here to spout nonsense. It's not BS. However, as much it sucks to say it, yes there is a long range component to the long range maps. If you don't have at least one mid-range to long-range bot in your hangar, then those matches are going to suck, no doubt about that. An all KF hangar just won't do it. Again, I was just talking about the initial beacon rush... usually, if a team is mostly long/medium range, you can play the beacon game and win it as long as they don't try and walk their bots over to the beacon... or have any competent beacon runners to support them. If they do, and you don't have good anti-mid or anti-long range support, then of course the game is prolly going to be a loss.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 20, 2017 9:35:27 GMT -5
Wow you are being thick today. It's not hard in a Gary, to run a route that does not take me between two reds. Then, at the Beacon, I watch for anyone coming. If a flanker happens to come by... I adjust position so that I can engage it without exposing myself to the sniper. Do I need to break down how to look around? You look around. GOSH why didn't you think of that? That can be pretty tough in games with a very aggressive red team, and db griffs can quickly eliminate that fleeting safety margin with their jump and weapon ranges. The splash damage from db griffs and tri/carns alone can make your beacon runs a nightmare, even with the speed and nimbleness of a gary. Stalkers can be effective, but timing your stealth mode against a full red squad is difficult too. Flanking is inevitable unless you're running around the perimeter of the battle. That takes time and can leave you vulnerable to snipers and easily cut off. If you're running a gary your weapons range is probably 300-350m, which makes it difficult to engage anybody but the impatient and all but impossible for engaging the long gunners the rant is talking about. Yes, the perimeter. That is what the Gary makes possible. I can run the edges and get the beacons, especially at the beginning. If one team is not balanced with anti-mids, anti-long, and cappers, on the long maps, they won't do well. Truth. Btw, the changes in Yam on the update, may make it different there, IDK haven't played it yet. Supposed to be more cover, though... so maybe...
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Post by jazzykat on Mar 20, 2017 10:38:26 GMT -5
Galahad is an easy answer to Trebuchet. As mentioned before, TTs 2 shot them and level 9 Ancilots get 3 shotted (unless you can duck behind cover and regen your ancile fully).
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Post by odin63 on Mar 21, 2017 0:41:52 GMT -5
That can be pretty tough in games with a very aggressive red team, and db griffs can quickly eliminate that fleeting safety margin with their jump and weapon ranges. The splash damage from db griffs and tri/carns alone can make your beacon runs a nightmare, even with the speed and nimbleness of a gary. Stalkers can be effective, but timing your stealth mode against a full red squad is difficult too. Flanking is inevitable unless you're running around the perimeter of the battle. That takes time and can leave you vulnerable to snipers and easily cut off. If you're running a gary your weapons range is probably 300-350m, which makes it difficult to engage anybody but the impatient and all but impossible for engaging the long gunners the rant is talking about. Yes, the perimeter. That is what the Gary makes possible. I can run the edges and get the beacons, especially at the beginning. If one team is not balanced with anti-mids, anti-long, and cappers, on the long maps, they won't do well. Truth. Btw, the changes in Yam on the update, may make it different there, IDK haven't played it yet. Supposed to be more cover, though... so maybe... Haven't played the new Yam either. Same old lack of cover as before when I played today. As soon as I can get another orkan, I'm swapping out my stalker with my gary for those more open maps. However, the stalker is great to have when you're being mercilessly pelted by missles. I've always been a knife fighter, but I now have a longer range carn and I'm currently beefing up a midrange db griff, so I'm seeing better results overall. I like hunting those perimeter garys with both btw. Good luck out there!
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Post by hackenschuh on Mar 21, 2017 2:58:12 GMT -5
Thank god (and the mods) for the Rants subsection of these forums. Maybe it's just my day for a plethora of unfavorable matchups (screw MM while we're at it) or my already foul mood, but today is one of those days I feel like rage quitting this ?firetruck?ing game. I just got hammered on Springfield, Yama, and Canyon back-to-back-to-back by a bunch of Treb and Trident-wielding Furies who do nothing but plod across the same 200 or 300m of turf and snipe at the oppo force. On SF, both teams spawn at opposite ends of the dam, and the match ended up being a series of futile attempts by the blues at taking the C and D beacons without getting turned into scrap metal. Forget trying to charge the Furies to inflict any sort of damage or force them into moving from behind cover. On Yama, it's the same bull?poo-poo?: reds camp at the edge of the platforms (no matter which end they spawn at) and pop Trebs and Tridents at blues as they work towards the center beacon. The only difference on Canyon is that the Treb & TT Furies pick one side to flank and hold that position for the entire match. Different spots but same strategy and end result. As a CQB knifer, this ?poo-poo? gets so ?firetruck?ing old! My neighbors can probably hear me unleashing creative torrents of expletives that would impress any experienced F-bomb dropper. Thankfully I have enough self-restraint not to whip my iPad into the tile floor and create a pile of worthless garbage, much like my hangar. Yeah, I know that Pixo designed the game with various types of bots and weapons available to encourage or enable a variety of game play, but this long-range sniper ?poo-poo? really sucks, especially when you face two or three on the opposite side. I enjoy move & shoot a lot, and to me that's the essence of this game, and really any FPS. The lack of cover on certain maps makes running & gunning nearly impossible in certain matches, and has become all too common since the new MM was introduced. I know, I know "it's your problem, find a way to counter the snipers and Furies", and maybe I'm lagging in finding that solution or answer. I for one refuse to join the ?poo-poo?-show of sniping and camping; I won't buy a Fury just so I can become part of the problem. Be that as it is, I gotta find a way around the problem, aside from just dropping out of certain maps. I really don't wanna be limited to Power Plant and Dead City, but on a day like this, that's my best option. Edit: just so y'all don't think I'm discriminating against Furies, I also have an intensely strong dislike for Gekkos, Treb-Gekko Natashas, and quad-Gekko Pattons. /rant Ok, so you want a special version of war robots with only knive fighting bots? Please Tell me, what tactic you would use in springfield if you have a natasha with treb? And who would agree me, a moving natasha is already Camping... But its normal (when I remember my army time) to hold a good position for artillery. I do not want to have war robots as a complete knive-fight game. Springfield is a long-Range-map, so its not bad to have one of two trebuchet specialist in your Team? I use treb often on Springfield as first bot, and, off course, get often enough killed quickly by skilled griffins sneaking to me. So, for me its fair and ok.
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Post by hackenschuh on Mar 21, 2017 3:31:14 GMT -5
I concur with this rant, and see evidence that the new MM/leagues has made the situation far worse. I'm seeing more and more hangars with mostly level 8-9 bots like mine, but with one or more Furies, Carnages, Pattons or Natashas with level 12 trebs, gekkos, and tridents. This is only possible because of the new MM. The old level-based MM would never have allowed level 12 tridents in matches with level 8 bots. Thats not true! I was fighting in the old system half the day with 5/5 bots against 11/11 and higher! for me, the new system is more fair.
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Post by Trogon on Mar 21, 2017 9:23:55 GMT -5
I concur with this rant, and see evidence that the new MM/leagues has made the situation far worse. I'm seeing more and more hangars with mostly level 8-9 bots like mine, but with one or more Furies, Carnages, Pattons or Natashas with level 12 trebs, gekkos, and tridents. This is only possible because of the new MM. The old level-based MM would never have allowed level 12 tridents in matches with level 8 bots. Thats not true! I was fighting in the old system half the day with 5/5 bots against 11/11 and higher! for me, the new system is more fair. If you were seeing 11/11 hangars all day while running 5/5s under the old MM (before Jan 2017), then your experience was very unusual.
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