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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 14, 2017 15:35:03 GMT -5
Thank god (and the mods) for the Rants subsection of these forums. Maybe it's just my day for a plethora of unfavorable matchups (screw MM while we're at it) or my already foul mood, but today is one of those days I feel like rage quitting this ?firetruck?ing game. I just got hammered on Springfield, Yama, and Canyon back-to-back-to-back by a bunch of Treb and Trident-wielding Furies who do nothing but plod across the same 200 or 300m of turf and snipe at the oppo force. On SF, both teams spawn at opposite ends of the dam, and the match ended up being a series of futile attempts by the blues at taking the C and D beacons without getting turned into scrap metal. Forget trying to charge the Furies to inflict any sort of damage or force them into moving from behind cover. On Yama, it's the same bull?poo-poo?: reds camp at the edge of the platforms (no matter which end they spawn at) and pop Trebs and Tridents at blues as they work towards the center beacon. The only difference on Canyon is that the Treb & TT Furies pick one side to flank and hold that position for the entire match. Different spots but same strategy and end result. As a CQB knifer, this ?poo-poo? gets so ?firetruck?ing old! My neighbors can probably hear me unleashing creative torrents of expletives that would impress any experienced F-bomb dropper. Thankfully I have enough self-restraint not to whip my iPad into the tile floor and create a pile of worthless garbage, much like my hangar. Yeah, I know that Pixo designed the game with various types of bots and weapons available to encourage or enable a variety of game play, but this long-range sniper ?poo-poo? really sucks, especially when you face two or three on the opposite side. I enjoy move & shoot a lot, and to me that's the essence of this game, and really any FPS. The lack of cover on certain maps makes running & gunning nearly impossible in certain matches, and has become all too common since the new MM was introduced. I know, I know "it's your problem, find a way to counter the snipers and Furies", and maybe I'm lagging in finding that solution or answer. I for one refuse to join the ?poo-poo?-show of sniping and camping; I won't buy a Fury just so I can become part of the problem. Be that as it is, I gotta find a way around the problem, aside from just dropping out of certain maps. I really don't wanna be limited to Power Plant and Dead City, but on a day like this, that's my best option. Edit: just so y'all don't think I'm discriminating against Furies, I also have an intensely strong dislike for Gekkos, Treb-Gekko Natashas, and quad-Gekko Pattons.  /rant |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 15:37:19 GMT -5
If I could only get a dollar everytime someone posts something like this.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 14, 2017 15:40:04 GMT -5
OP... you have either Galahads or Gareths? They are an easy answer to Trebs... Or, you can sacrifice a weapon on something that has a hardpoint that will hold an ECU. Point that sucker at them and run like you stole it!
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 14, 2017 15:59:52 GMT -5
OP... you have either Galahads or Gareths? They are an easy answer to Trebs... Or, you can sacrifice a weapon on something that has a hardpoint that will hold an ECU. Point that sucker at them and run like you stole it! Yeah, I have a Plasmahad in my starting lineup, and an Ancilot. I tried both, to no avail. The reds countered me well: the Fury or Nat was planted on one side while a Griff, Galahad, or Gary approached from the other. With shield facing front I was screwed from one side or the other, and I could only block Treb fire from the left while taking fire from the right or front. Not to mention the over-powered Trident splash.... My problem in these fights, aside from the sniping, was avoiding the double-team or tag team. Gotta work on that too, not putting myself in such bad spots, which is on me. Appreciate the suggestion tho! |
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 14, 2017 16:16:45 GMT -5
If more folks were willing to jump into sniper configs to fight fire with fire, the current flood of mid to long-rangers would lessen to its former trickle after a little while. Nothing takes the wind out of a camper's sails like not being able to camp in peace.
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Mar 14, 2017 16:24:26 GMT -5
My friend, I know your frustration all too well myself. For months I had to deal with those 「fluffernutter」tards but finally I found a solution!!!
I myself am an owner of a fury it actually was my first gold purchase and only because at that time I couldn't think of anything better to counter the lazy snipers. But with time I tossed it because it's awful to play with it and ruins my fun.
But since they buffed the ancile I finally have my allround sniper tank... Lancelot + Ancile = I laugh when trebs splatter on my front; I laugh when a full trident salvo only scratches my shield hp which btw regenerates fully until the other salvo comes xD
Well if there are two or more of them plagues just hide somewhere until they die out or use your team as decoy xD
Good luck!
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 14, 2017 16:53:44 GMT -5
10/10 rantability. Good work!  |
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 14, 2017 16:57:15 GMT -5
My friend, I know your frustration all too well myself. For months I had to deal with those ?firetruck?tards but finally I found a solution!!! I myself am an owner of a fury it actually was my first gold purchase and only because at that time I couldn't think of anything better to counter the lazy snipers. But with time I tossed it because it's awful to play with it and ruins my fun. But since they buffed the ancile I finally have my allround sniper tank... Lancelot + Ancile = I laugh when trebs splatter on my front; I laugh when a full trident salvo only scratches my shield hp which btw regenerates fully until the other salvo comes xD Well if there are two or more of them plagues just hide somewhere until they die out or use your team as decoy xD Good luck! Misery loves company, so I'm glad I'm not alone with this rant. My ancile is on its way to L10, and taking it to 12 is a priority (my Lance is 9). Out of interest, what're you running with the ancile, orkans, tarans, or ?? |
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Mar 14, 2017 17:07:07 GMT -5
Misery loves company, so I'm glad I'm not alone with this rant. My ancile is on its way to L10, and taking it to 12 is a priority (my Lance is 9). Out of interest, what're you running with the ancile, orkans, tarans, or ?? I tried both Orkan and Tarans with it and ended up using the later. For me 2 Orkans alone aren't powerful enough(mostly because I end up wasting half of them tho xD) but the taran combo is pretty solid and I feel very safe while running it even the pesky aphids aren't a problem with it  |
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Post by ChillyTempurrrrr on Mar 14, 2017 17:12:33 GMT -5
SF:dont rush to beacons at the start. because of the big map beacons tend to switch sides less and less than other maps so spending that extra 20 seconds on getting to the beacon safely or waiting for teamates will help you significantly Yama:team work makes the dream work this is probably the worst map for brawlers.my main advice would be to use cover wisely and dont spend much time up on the middle platform if they're trident furies.also never go down the enemys middle ramp youre just asking for trouble. Canyon:control the beacons and flank Gareth is best bot on canyon imo.its speed and shield makes it hard target to destroy plus if you keep out of range of tridents by going far back on the map.just remember that this will take alot of time and wont always work.if you dont have a gareth use a galahad or a griffin. if anyone needs yips i am here to help  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 17:55:23 GMT -5
I run almost exclusively medium bots. When I start getting battlefields filled with furys and other long/medium range snipers I simply tank back down to a league where the game is still fun and more knife fighting. I try to tank ethically BTW.
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 7:50:10 GMT -5
OP... you have either Galahads or Gareths? They are an easy answer to Trebs... Or, you can sacrifice a weapon on something that has a hardpoint that will hold an ECU. Point that sucker at them and run like you stole it! So I guess you have a solution to the problem that if a red teammate of the sniper flanks you, you can either face the flanker (and get shot by the Trebs) or continue facing the sniper (and get shot by Mags from the flanker)? |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 7:55:08 GMT -5
Yama:team work makes the dream work this is probably the worst map for brawlers.my main advice would be to use cover wisely and dont spend much time up on the middle platform if they're trident furies.also never go down the enemys middle ramp youre just asking for trouble. Canyon gets my vote for unplayable. There is no way to get close to the campers without travelling in long stretches without cover. Yama isn't that bad, just use the big pillars for cover. A britbot works best because you can turn the shield towards camper HQ whenever you break cover, but it also works for unshielded bots. |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 7:56:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that Pixo designed the game with various types of bots and weapons available to encourage or enable a variety of game play, but this long-range sniper ?poo-poo? really sucks, especially when you face two or three on the opposite side. I enjoy move & shoot a lot, and to me that's the essence of this game, and really any FPS. The lack of cover on certain maps makes running & gunning nearly impossible in certain matches, and has become all too common since the new MM was introduced. Yeah, sniping and midrange meta has been forced on us with the new MM. I'm still promoting my idea for a new anti-camper robot that can't be locked on outside of 500m |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 7:58:22 GMT -5
So I guess you have a solution to the problem that if a red teammate of the sniper flanks you, you can either face the flanker (and get shot by the Trebs) or continue facing the sniper (and get shot by Mags from the flanker)? Yeah, don't let them flank you. |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 8:20:47 GMT -5
So I guess you have a solution to the problem that if a red teammate of the sniper flanks you, you can either face the flanker (and get shot by the Trebs) or continue facing the sniper (and get shot by Mags from the flanker)? Yeah, don't let them flank you. So, if all other reds are dead you can get that sniper? Gosh, why didn't I think of THAT? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 8:30:06 GMT -5
Wow you are being thick today. It's not hard in a Gary, to run a route that does not take me between two reds. Then, at the Beacon, I watch for anyone coming. If a flanker happens to come by... I adjust position so that I can engage it without exposing myself to the sniper.
Do I need to break down how to look around? You look around. GOSH why didn't you think of that?
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 15, 2017 8:40:03 GMT -5
Put a malot Griffin in your lineup. It can out range a Trident and you can corner shoot trebuchets. Bet you don't knock down half their health before they eject
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Post by Vindictive999 on Mar 15, 2017 8:44:34 GMT -5
Yeah, don't let them flank you. So, if all other reds are dead you can get that sniper? Gosh, why didn't I think of THAT? Really? |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 15, 2017 9:09:50 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure.
The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons.
Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies.
The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 15, 2017 9:52:14 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure. The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons. Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies. The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds. The Union of Fury pilots - Are screaming for nerfs on this "Raptor". |
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 15, 2017 10:30:03 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure. The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons. Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies. The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds. I'll have to give Punisher Dash a try next test session. I agree tho: even with Tarans (what I mostly ran on the Dash), Furies are in Trouble when the Dash comes around. The only downside is that I think we'll be lucky if Pixo introduces the Dash to live play before the end of the year. I hope sooner rather than later, as I'll do whatever it takes to get one the first chance I have. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 10:41:53 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure. The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons. Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies. The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds. But realistically when will that be? Months....next year?? |
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Post by Trogon on Mar 15, 2017 11:19:39 GMT -5
I concur with this rant, and see evidence that the new MM/leagues has made the situation far worse. I'm seeing more and more hangars with mostly level 8-9 bots like mine, but with one or more Furies, Carnages, Pattons or Natashas with level 12 trebs, gekkos, and tridents. This is only possible because of the new MM. The old level-based MM would never have allowed level 12 tridents in matches with level 8 bots.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 15, 2017 11:49:48 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure. The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons. Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies. The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds. But realistically when will that be? Months....next year?? Arrrgghhh - that's what I don't know either ---- but I bet that $50-$100 will buy either the Doc or Dash on the next special event (Easter perhaps). |
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 15, 2017 12:23:58 GMT -5
I try to tank ethically BTW. It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. |
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Post by jazzykat on Mar 15, 2017 12:27:42 GMT -5
Sniper Bros you are all amazing. very shortly, I am going to sit behind you with my armored knifers and shoot the guys who have come to eviscerate you, let them shoot you and rack up their damage totals while I shoot them...
Knifers advance in ratings and silver, snipers get slaughtered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:41:56 GMT -5
I try to tank ethically BTW. It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. |
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Post by Dejnov on Mar 15, 2017 14:17:23 GMT -5
The Dash will put all Fury builds under serious pressure. The tri-Molot Dash can easily take out or at least suppress a Fury build ---- even if it's using Trebs or Zeus weapons. Heck, its not hard to get a Dash inside 400-500m of a Fury on any map and any semi-competent pilot can accomplish that. If you've tested the tri-Punisher Dash, you know what the implications are for this on Furies. The mid-range meta is only so because Pixonic hasn't released the Doc or the Dash, but both these bots can more than counter all Fury mid-range builds. But realistically when will that be? Months....next year?? The Molot fire upgrade will be in the next update. An all Molot Griffin should be viable for long range and will put all other long rangers in trouble. Bonus: You'll get two of your Molot Mk2's upgraded ready for the Dash when released. Dejnov. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 14:31:54 GMT -5
It amazes me that there are people who think tanking is ethical at all. It would be like a football player saying "You know what, guys? I'm just gonna treat this game like I'm the only one who matters, because I'm tired of not winning or playing like I wanna play. I'm gonna sit out so that we all lose and I'm demoted to the youth league where I can beat up the younger kids, and if you put a lot of effort into playing the game and still get punished for my selfishness? Oh well." People only do it because there's not a gang of angry, frustrated teammates waiting for them after the game to "have a few words". Just remember: If you tank on purpose for ANY reason, you are flipping the 5 other people on your team a big, fat middle finger and treating them like they don't matter; like the game is yours alone. Oy freaking vey. Cool self-righteous screed. It is duly noted that you didn't even bother asking how one tanks ethically and tries to eliminate/reduce upsetting or screwing fellow teammates. Well, it is a trigger word around here So, by "ethically" tanking... do you mean something along the lines of using inferior bots/weapons until the system adjusts you to a similar league? Or just focusing on Beacons and not doing enough damage to place high enough to advance through the leagues? Just curious... BTW, for transparency... I really wish we would differentiate the "tanking" scenarios, better. If am in Diamond... and I have only level 6 bots and level 6 weapons, I would be out of my league... (teehee) and, over time, my consistent last place finishes would, eventually, drop me down to a proper place. That is the system working as intended. Ditching and going AFK are not the same thing. |
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