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Post by CrownBlack on Mar 13, 2017 15:21:03 GMT -5
I am at 4k au. The inner debate is waging about plopping 5k in AU down on a slow moving Fury. I do notice the majority of the top league guys have one but I am not sold. Part of me thinks to go out and get a couple more Orks and run 5 KF's. Is this plausible? Or should I be like everyone else and get one? I don't know anything about Lances but am not against getting one. I know as I advance my beloved Zues Carny probably wont last long in upper leagues.
my other bots are good to level up. Griffs, Hads but that 5th bot is the issue now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:26:48 GMT -5
It is plausible, but you will find yourself a liability in those longer ranged maps (eg. Springfield and Canyon).
If you want to buy Lancelot, be sure to have an Ancile to go on top of it.
I would buy the Fury if I was you.
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Mar 13, 2017 15:28:00 GMT -5
You don't "need" a Fury for the mid-range meta but life is easier with one. I am doing okay in Expert I with a Trident Carnage as my only mid-range platform (and will go with a Thunder Carnage when squading with my clan). I don't have a trio of weapons to arm a Fury right now anyways, and I am also holding out hope (not sure for how long)) that I will be able to purchase a Butch instead....
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 13, 2017 15:28:41 GMT -5
Rinning 5 knifers is viable and I sometimes run 2 lances and 3 Griffs. But man there are some games when having a tt fury really comes in handy. Especially when soloing. When I play with my clan I can be assured that my team will have enough mid range support so I usually run 5 knifers as my tt fury isn't close to max. My 2cents. 5 knifers in clan play. Run 1 support bot if solo.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 13, 2017 15:35:32 GMT -5
If you dont want to expend too much, buy 2 Zeus and put them on a Carnage, same performance than a TT Fury, but you have different priorities with it.
5 knifers will hurt on large maps.
There are people that even run 2 midranges, so yeah, it is mandatory somehow. (I can imagine myself getting meched out in 4 minutes on larger maps without my TT Fury).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:40:04 GMT -5
Albeit I don't play at the highest levels, I don't think it's mandatory. For some reason, engaging from mid or long range remains popular enough amongst the randoms that I have literally never felt my blues could use another long range guy. And if you adopt a selective, patient cqc style, you can last a whole match.
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 13, 2017 15:54:53 GMT -5
When playing with squads or even randoms that know what's up you can play mid-range setups fairly aggressively. Move up along with the knifers albeit back a bit. To be effective you have to move with the front line. RDBs excel at this. As long as you all share the damage equally. There is no reason to stay in your support bot more than 2-3 minutes unless your steam rolling the reds. If you have to eject to change bots then you arn't being aggressive enough and another blue on your team will have had to soak up damage that by all rights you should have been taking.. the goal is to push the reds and to always give the impression of power. You don't do that by haNing back waiting for the fight to come to you. Having said all that. Having a TT fury will sometimes cause the reds to avoid the part of the map you're in.
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Mar 13, 2017 20:19:03 GMT -5
While not necessary - a mid range bot will really expedite your personal goals of winning more matches, more gold and earning more silver.
I run a TTFury, which replaced a well worn and used RDBGriffin. It increased my average damage per game by over 100k once it hit level 8/8.
There are times it hasn't come out of the hangar for a match. The times I take it out though and I regret it are few and far between (looking at you Dead City map mech out).
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Post by Heishiro on Mar 13, 2017 20:35:43 GMT -5
5 knifers in clan play. Run 1 support bot if solo. opposite with me. when solo i run 5 KF and only chose DC and PP map. when squad i always need to have 1 midranger to be ready on open maps. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 13, 2017 20:47:52 GMT -5
If you solo then it's good to have a mid ranger. But it's a double edged sword, soloing also means playing with incompetent pilots or ones that play only for themselves, leaving you unprotected in a Fury. It isn't a reason not to get one; it just means you need to be extra vigilant.
I play 3 set ups: Knife fighting setup which means I only play close maps; 3 KF and 2 MRS wherein I don't play DC and PP; and 2 power runners, 2 KF, and 1 RDB wherein I play all maps.
In the end, if you absolutely hate MRS and slow moving bots, then don't get one. A Lance is just as slow as a fury by the way.
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 13, 2017 21:21:20 GMT -5
I would recommend a lance before the fury. You can get similar results from a Natasha with 2 trident and 2 pins. There is no cheaper version of the lance. Also who knows when and how the Butch will hit live, and how much it will cost. It will be the death of the TTF.
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 13, 2017 21:55:01 GMT -5
5 knifers in clan play. Run 1 support bot if solo. opposite with me. when solo i run 5 KF and only chose DC and PP map. when squad i always need to have 1 midranger to be ready on open maps. Yeah would too but I play all maps whether I'm squading or soloing |
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Post by zr on Mar 13, 2017 23:16:20 GMT -5
I did not like playing mid range.
But found out playing solo needed one.
Got a Carnage, Zeus
Really like it now, Zeus lvl 8
Have a lot choice with the Carnage, Zeus fast reload, can run all over the map, can even cap beacons, can follow KF, still have rush to back off
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 14, 2017 7:42:02 GMT -5
@op: It depends on where you are now. You would get better answers if you would post a screenshot of your hangar.
Personally, I like to run one midranger even in solo games, and it's usually a Zeus Carnage while the Trident Fury stays in storage. I like to skip canyon though, as I hate snipers and it's tough to take them out on Canyon if you're not squading. (I run both Trident Fury and Zeus Carnage in squad games.)
But my Ancilot is also an important part of my hangar - in my range (7.5 hangar) I would recommend getting both Ancilot and Zeus before thinking about a Fury. Trident Carnage is also a very good midranger that costs no gold, and RDB Griff is also always a good midrange option that doesn't even cost WSP points.
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Mar 14, 2017 7:49:04 GMT -5
CrownBlack You'd be surprised how useful Zeus Carnage is now with all the Griffins coming out in top tier. Definitely worth keeping around if you like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 7:50:17 GMT -5
CrownBlack You'd be surprised how useful Zeus Carnage is now with all the Griffins coming out in top tier. Definitely worth keeping around if you like it. What keeps people from using it is the terrible damage bug. |
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 14, 2017 8:08:08 GMT -5
That damage bug keeps me from using the Carnage Zeus more aggressively. It really is a shame it has been around for so long. Whenever I score Zero damage 3 times in a row I start seriously considering a different midranger.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 14, 2017 8:16:36 GMT -5
Mid-range bores me to tears.
I run all close-range builds, and I play all maps. Plan your moves and stay behind any available cover.
I would rather mech out and move on than play mid-range.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 9:56:59 GMT -5
If you want to go all knifers is fine just avoid Springfield, Yama and Canyon. This is true the higher tier you go. I do recommend at least 1 mid ranger at least an RDB griff (it's cheap and affordable).
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 14, 2017 11:07:03 GMT -5
If you want to go all knifers is fine just avoid Springfield, Yama and Canyon. This is true the higher tier you go. I do recommend at least 1 mid ranger at least an RDB griff (it's cheap and affordable). You don't need to skip maps, you just need to play smart. Springfield: either stick to the city side of the map or sprint to center beacon and hold it down. Yamantau: work your way up the sides and catch the reds as they walk up the ramp. Hiding under the ramps works well. OrkAphid Griffs can wreak havok on the center beacon. Canyon: the trickiest one for knifers, but not impossible. Take the long way around; all the cover is on the outside of the map. Move from cover to cover and assume all enemy bots have 600m range. Work your way up close and get them to fire first. Then you have 10 seconds to ambush while they reload. At the very least, you can distract the reds while your team caps beacons. Skipping maps is weak. Learn to adapt. |
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Post by crave1ne on Mar 14, 2017 11:12:10 GMT -5
CrownBlack You'd be surprised how useful Zeus Carnage is now with all the Griffins coming out in top tier. Definitely worth keeping around if you like it. I'm leveling up my Zues's right now, and about to roll WSP over for another Carnage just for this set up. I have seen it used on all maps. Shenzhen, I see them together on the sides of the buildings just blasting everything away. See them being used close range as well as from afar.. I was convinced of this set up after seeing it used effectively over and over again. I'm not sure what the bug is with it, but I'm hoping its corrected by the time i start using it lol |
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 11:35:34 GMT -5
Not sure if it's been mentioned (I'm being lazy and not reading the whole thread before replying), but make sure you have a set of three decently leveled weapons before buying it. I currenty have 3 Zeus on mine, which I generally only use when squadding, or as an option late in games depending on the scenario. Also experimenting with a Trident Carnage, and not enjoying it so far.
As Darkangel said, you can run an all-knifer hangar if you want, but you can be a liability to your team. So if you're going to do that, make sure you're a damn good knifer. I like the Gareth and Galahad when I'm running an all close range hangar, because they allow me to cover a lot of ground on the big maps so I can still be useful.
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Post by Jame-thon on Mar 14, 2017 11:49:46 GMT -5
If you want to go all knifers is fine just avoid Springfield, Yama and Canyon. This is true the higher tier you go. I do recommend at least 1 mid ranger at least an RDB griff (it's cheap and affordable). You don't need to skip maps, you just need to play smart. Springfield: either stick to the city side of the map or sprint to center beacon and hold it down. Yamantau: work your way up the sides and catch the reds as they walk up the ramp. Hiding under the ramps works well. OrkAphid Griffs can wreak havok on the center beacon. Canyon: the trickiest one for knifers, but not impossible. Take the long way around; all the cover is on the outside of the map. Move from cover to cover and assume all enemy bots have 600m range. Work your way up close and get them to fire first. Then you have 10 seconds to ambush while they reload. At the very least, you can distract the reds while your team caps beacons. Skipping maps is weak. Learn to adapt. Well said. I think you can adapt to any map with whatever playstyle you have. I do not think it's necessary to have a mid-ranger if that's not your game. Learn how you can contribute on each map without getting hit by those long rangers. Also you can enjoy watching them sit afar while you guard your captured beacon and win the game ; ) |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 15, 2017 0:37:06 GMT -5
CrownBlack You'd be surprised how useful Zeus Carnage is now with all the Griffins coming out in top tier. Definitely worth keeping around if you like it. I hit dash and flank physical Armour and Ancilots in my Dual Zeus carnage no problem, plus you can add Fujins and other Carnage to your hit list. |
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Post by ronin on Mar 15, 2017 5:03:41 GMT -5
I would recommend a lance before the fury. You can get similar results from a Natasha with 2 trident and 2 pins. There is no cheaper version of the lance. Also who knows when and how the Butch will hit live, and how much it will cost. It will be the death of the TTF. This one. If you are not sure if to even get mid ranger I have a feeling that if you get Fury for 5k and find out that kind of playstyle is boring for you.. ..you are not happy. So buy Natasha, 2 tridents and 2 pins. Get (all of) them around lvl 7-10 and check how fun (or boring) it is to use these kind of bots. I personally bought Lancelot and feel happy with it. But then I allso have Fujin and Rhino in use still so  |
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Post by miscanthus on Mar 15, 2017 11:33:41 GMT -5
Play what you enjoy. There are normally enough range bots on your team already. If anything, most teams lack knife fighters. With that said, you'll have to play conservatively on your last couple of bots so you don't mech out too early.
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 15, 2017 22:47:20 GMT -5
Play what you enjoy. There are normally enough range bots on your team already. If anything, most teams lack knife fighters. With that said, you'll have to play conservatively on your last couple of bots so you don't mech out too early. Indeed, I generally run 2 Orkan Aphid Griffin, 1 RDB Griffin, 1 Plasmahad, and 1 plasma Gareth. I have found this to be my best all around hanger. It gives flank, ambush, splash, plasma shield, mid range, beacon cap, and the mid range Griffin seems to be versatile enough, and mobile enough to function as more than just suppression, support. Yes, it does not have the same damage as TTF, but it matches my play style. I also sub in a stalker, or a thunder carnage, depending on the meta population at the time. I may Zeus up my carnage if there are lots of TTF while I play. This setup is just what I prefer, and find it always enjoyable. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 16, 2017 0:28:10 GMT -5
I bought a Fury and haven't used it. Slow and boring and pretty unoriginal.
Zeus carnage all day long. It's an Epic bot that deals damage fast, is quick and enjoyable to play. And I can almost play it on every map with some degree of success (Fury sucks on Dead City!!).
The great thing about carnage is that you can swap in some Thunders or Tridents as well for variation.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 16, 2017 2:39:02 GMT -5
You do not need a midrange bot if you have a lot of Britbots in your hangar.
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Mar 16, 2017 9:28:03 GMT -5
I am at 4k au. The inner debate is waging about plopping 5k in AU down on a slow moving Fury. I do notice the majority of the top league guys have one but I am not sold. Part of me thinks to go out and get a couple more Orks and run 5 KF's. Is this plausible? Or should I be like everyone else and get one? I don't know anything about Lances but am not against getting one. I know as I advance my beloved Zues Carny probably wont last long in upper leagues.
my other bots are good to level up. Griffs, Hads but that 5th bot is the issue now. My 11/10 Dual Zeus Carnage continually earns its keep in my Diamond Hangar and serves as my mid-range go-to... I also have a 10/9 Tripke Trident Fury that I feel I can outplay with my own Carnage too. |
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