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Post by frunobulax on Mar 13, 2017 6:01:34 GMT -5
Haven't seen it posted in announcements, where it should be mentioned: Pixo announces on facebook that the firing rate buff for Molots and Punishers will be introduced in the next update.
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Post by Why? on Mar 13, 2017 6:53:40 GMT -5
So...any ETA for the next update?
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Post by shakree on Mar 13, 2017 7:08:57 GMT -5
Haven't seen it posted in announcements, where it should be mentioned: Pixo announces on facebook that the firing rate buff for Molots and Punishers will be introduced in the next update. You have identified where you should put this information and correctly posted it there. Good job champ. Loving the weapon choice and style of improvement, better bullet throwers might just make the newer players a bit more competitive. Also nice that it pushes physical shields back into the mix. |
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 13, 2017 7:47:32 GMT -5
So...any ETA for the next update? Just going off past experience they like doing them somewhere around the 20th of the month so I'd expect it sometime next week. Again I don't know just an educated guess. Guess I can keep my malot leo intact for another week or so. Was gonna strip it down and replace it with a second DB Griffin but I may just leave it in the hanger. |
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Post by Paps on Mar 13, 2017 8:09:30 GMT -5
Sun's out, Guns out! Yee Yee!
Exciting news.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 13, 2017 9:02:09 GMT -5
So...any ETA for the next update? Just going off past experience they like doing them somewhere around the 20th of the month so I'd expect it sometime next week. Again I don't know just an educated guess. Guess I can keep my malot leo intact for another week or so. Was gonna strip it down and replace it with a second DB Griffin but I may just leave it in the hanger. |
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 13, 2017 9:08:51 GMT -5
I have 3 lvl 8 molots on my Zeus Leo. Been shredding red bots on the long maps quite frequently here lately. We'll see if it holds up in Gold tier.
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Post by carnage on Mar 13, 2017 9:11:31 GMT -5
Haven't seen it posted in announcements, where it should be mentioned: Pixo announces on facebook that the firing rate buff for Molots and Punishers will be introduced in the next update. You have identified where you should put this information and correctly posted it there. Good job champ. Loving the weapon choice and style of improvement, better bullet throwers might just make the newer players a bit more competitive. Also nice that it pushes physical shields back into the mix.
Don’t understand your last remark. If anything, the shielded bots (I am looking at you Gareth/Galahad) are both OP. There is a reason why the Gareth is a light that currently annihilate most mediums/hards even in point range confrontations, and why the Galahad is the only medium that can be found up to the top-tiers. Gareth and Galahad => OP. If anything, this buff reduces the effectiveness of the ancile and makes the shields to be even more OP than what they currently are relatively speaking. All that said, I like the idea of having strong punishers and molots. Gives more diversity to the game. |
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Post by osang on Mar 13, 2017 10:01:09 GMT -5
I love the sound of the punisher...brrratatatatatatatatat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 10:26:15 GMT -5
I use both on a regular basis (molots on Natasha, punishers on Leos), so this is welcome news indeed. As others have noted, the sweet sound of the punisher deserves to be heard much more often on the battlefield.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 10:31:42 GMT -5
Punisher Griffins worked fairly well in test server.
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Post by shakree on Mar 13, 2017 16:34:34 GMT -5
You have identified where you should put this information and correctly posted it there. Good job champ. Loving the weapon choice and style of improvement, better bullet throwers might just make the newer players a bit more competitive. Also nice that it pushes physical shields back into the mix.
Don’t understand your last remark. If anything, the shielded bots (I am looking at you Gareth/Galahad) are both OP. There is a reason why the Gareth is a light that currently annihilate most mediums/hards even in point range confrontations, and why the Galahad is the only medium that can be found up to the top-tiers. Gareth and Galahad => OP. If anything, this buff reduces the effectiveness of the ancile and makes the shields to be even more OP than what they currently are relatively speaking. All that said, I like the idea of having strong punishers and molots. Gives more diversity to the game. Don't agree with you there carnage, your sweeping statements about OP robots, Gareth and top tier are laughable. Of course a light is most powerful at close quarters?!? Where else could it be strong? At 1500m? Plus it's easy to kill gary if you are situationally aware, sounds like you're having some issues fighting them! I had problems engaging until I got one, used it, learning its strengths and vulnerabilities. Now it's a good bot but OP? Nah. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 1:47:41 GMT -5
How many times have I heard this before?
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 14, 2017 6:16:05 GMT -5
Let's see where this gets us. I ran a Punisher Griff yesterday (low level weapons), but it was completely ineffective even against non shielded robots. I guess you need really close range for a Punisher to work, I might try a Thunder Punisher Leo instead of a Punisher Griff, but would it really be more effective than a Mag Leo? I seriously doubt that, as even with the buff Punishers will have only a bit more DPS than the Mag, while the Mag has the range advantage and ignores Anciles.
Molot Zeus Natasha is already pretty effective now. But this is mainly due to the Zeus, and the buff to the Molots will be welcome there. Molot Fujin or Molot Griff may also become more interesting as anti-midrange weapons.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 14, 2017 6:59:11 GMT -5
If anything, the shielded bots (I am looking at you Gareth/Galahad) are both OP. There is a reason why the Gareth is a light that currently annihilate most mediums/hards even in point range confrontations, and why the Galahad is the only medium that can be found up to the top-tiers. Gareth and Galahad => OP. good bots? Sure. Op? No. Any bot that has a direct hard counter (in galahad and gareths case, midrange missiles) is not OP. |
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Post by carnage on Mar 14, 2017 7:46:49 GMT -5
Well if you don't like the word OP, let's put it differently. The Gareth is the only light with such speed and at the same time such ability to demolish all mediums (except Galahad) and most heavies (except the top-3 Griff/Lance/Fury depending on circumstances). Its power and abilities far exceed its class, let’s remind that is a light bot we are talking about.
The Galahad is in the same boat, to a lesser extent. This is why is it the only medium bot that you will regularly find at TT in this game.
To me those two bots are the very definition of OP. In relation to their price and classes, they ARE OP. And I will go further here, Pix knows it perfectly and it was a deliberate strategy to sell those bots. Which makes sense in the end.
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Post by ChillyTempurrrrr on Mar 14, 2017 15:56:27 GMT -5
New mechanics of Punisher, Punisher Mk2, Molot and Molot Mk2 are almost there!
When fired continuously for 3 sec the weapon enters an accelerated state with a doubled rate of fire.
The effect lasts until you stop shooting for 1 sec or run out of ammo.
Official post on their facebook
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 15, 2017 0:07:48 GMT -5
I kinda regret not levelling a Griffin Molot set but then again I haven't had any spare upgrade time for a while.
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Post by ordinance // war machine on Mar 15, 2017 1:24:41 GMT -5
Yes I can't wait for them to be buffed but it's just more crap the punisher did 20 rounds a second now 11 molot was nerffed as well I wish they would leave it all alone stop adding fix the problem then try something different the ancl shield on a Lancelot need to get nerffed long ago it would not have taken long in the test server to figure that out and not put it in but they did anyway way because rhinos were top bot so then everyone needed to buy Lancelot now there the top bot it's almost time for a new one when was the last time you saw a new bot or weapon in the workshop there all gold so don't get to excited about guns my 10/10 death button Griffin does dose over 110k in 3 seconds and I can't take out the shield on a Lancelot ancl shield and it regenerates faster than I can reload it can take 3 of us to take it out ok ok sorry but I loved the punisher and molot just make it the way it was.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Mar 15, 2017 1:31:14 GMT -5
Well if you don't like the word OP, let's put it differently. The Gareth is the only light with such speed and at the same time such ability to demolish all mediums (except Galahad) and most heavies (except the top-3 Griff/Lance/Fury depending on circumstances). Its power and abilities far exceed its class, let’s remind that is a light bot we are talking about. The Galahad is in the same boat, to a lesser extent. This is why is it the only medium bot that you will regularly find at TT in this game. To me those two bots are the very definition of OP. In relation to their price and classes, they ARE OP. And I will go further here, Pix knows it perfectly and it was a deliberate strategy to sell those bots. Which makes sense in the end. How about looking at it a different way? Gareth is designed for upper tiers. Golem, Vitz, and Boa are all mid-level bots. They also cost much less than a Gareth. Used to be, Gareth and Galahad couldn't be used at low levels because they had a major MM penalty. Use one, and you'd be facing Gold-tier competition even with a low-Silver hangar. The Britbots were built to play in the upper levels. Also, realize that you said the Gareth could easily kill "most heavies" and named Lancelot, Griffin, and Leo as the only three exceptions. So Gareth can easily kill Fury, Rhino, Natasha, and Raijin? Fury with three Tridents - by far the most common Fury setup - will rip a Gareth or Galahad to shreds long before coming in range of return fire. Rhino isn't agile, but it's a tough blighter. PDB has to break Gary's shield to kill it, but...it's very capable of doing precisely that. A standard DB Rhino will obliterate a Gareth that ventures too close. Galahad is a tougher nut to crack, but hey, that shield still won't hold out long against those Mags and Tarans. And rockets will still make it very dead. Natasha may be an easy kill to Gareth or Galahad, but Natasha is an easy kill to ANYTHING that gets close. And the most effective Natasha setup, the Trident/CRV, is fully capable of sending a Gareth or Galahad pilot back to Spawn just as efficiently as a Trident Fury. Raijin...lol. Raijin is NEVER an easy kill to anything. Even a DB takes two or more full salvoes to kill one. Butch - who cares? You never see them anyway. You also forgot about the Carnage, which is a VERY common medium bot in Gold tier and above. Fujin isn't rare, either. Galahad isn't the only medium in Top tier. Not close. Nor is Gary alone as the sole light bot used above Silver tier. You'll find plenty of Stalkers and the occasional Gepard, even one or two Cossacks up as high as Diamond tier. Cossack is only a nice snack, and Gepard a hard hitter with a glass jaw, but a good Stalker pilot can singlehandedly turn the tide of a game. None of those bots can beat a Gareth under most circumstances, but...they aren't designed to fight Gareth. Gareth was designed to fight them! Galahad and Gareth (and Lancelot) were introduced to create more diversity in upper tiers. They've done precisely that. In relation to other bots in their respective classes, yes, they're considerably more powerful. Because they're the advanced bots in this game. They're not supposed to be comparable with the beginner's and intermediate bots; they're not even intended to compete. These are the ultimate bots in War Robots, the top-rank weapons to use against OTHER top-rank weapons. OP? Nope. They can compete with the other meta bots in upper tiers, that's all. Nobody calls a Cossack OP in Silver tier because it can fight a Boa. Cossack can fight Boa because they're intended for similar levels of play. Boa can't compete with a Gareth or Galahad? Well, it can't compete with a Griffin either! Does that make the Griffin OP? Not a bit. You're comparing apples to oranges. |
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Post by carnage on Mar 15, 2017 6:25:46 GMT -5
I respect your opinion, even if we see things differently.
Ironically, in your last example, I would exactly call the Griffin OP. I am talking in terms of value here, it is the only silver robot that you can find at TT, and compared to other heavy silver robots, it is OP to me. It could easily be worth 2'500 gold and that would not be a scandal at all, I’d argue it would actually be much closer to its true value on the field.
I guess we have a different understanding of what is an OP robot. To me it is relative to the class and the value. You tell me not to compare apple and oranges, do you really want to play that game ? Comparable in class and price to the Gareth is the Gepard. Comparable in class and price to the Galahad is the Rogatka. Do you really want to have a discussion there ? THIS IS your apple to apple comparison.
The fundamental problem is that in general, in all games I played in my life so far, you have a balance in the sense that the fastest bot is usually weaker in confrontations than the heavier one. What's the point of having a slow bot if it can't hold when facing a fast bot ? For instance if you play a gladiator game, the addition of a heavy shield will make your fighter slower, not faster, and it would not make sense that the guy with the shield would ALSO have the speed advantage. Oddly those rules don’t apply at all in War Robots, as the Gareth is not only fastest, but is also much stronger than all mediums (minus Galahad) and most heavies in 1/1 confrontations. I like to use heavies, and let me tell you that when I see a Gareth or a Galahad coming at me, I know that odds are really not on my side at all. That raises a question of balance in the game to me.
But whatever I guess, like I said previously I think Pix perfectly know it, and deliberately created OP bots to sell them. Which in some ways make sense, commercially speaking. |
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Post by War Child on Mar 15, 2017 7:27:04 GMT -5
Yes I can't wait for them to be buffed but it's just more crap the punisher did 20 rounds a second now 11 molot was nerffed as well I wish they would leave it all alone stop adding fix the problem then try something different the ancl shield on a Lancelot need to get nerffed long ago it would not have taken long in the test server to figure that out and not put it in but they did anyway way because rhinos were top bot so then everyone needed to buy Lancelot now there the top bot it's almost time for a new one when was the last time you saw a new bot or weapon in the workshop there all gold so don't get to excited about guns my 10/10 death button Griffin does dose over 110k in 3 seconds and I can't take out the shield on a Lancelot ancl shield and it regenerates faster than I can reload it can take 3 of us to take it out ok ok sorry but I loved the punisher and molot just make it the way it was. #longestsentenceever Also,wut?All I can hear was buff/nerf, ancilot OP,and make it the way it was?U nu english bro? BTW if you were trying to propose the ancile is OP,you are way wrong.Ancile before was underpowered,but now it counters nearly all the rockets,which is nice.If you have not encountered a TT fury before,you will be wishing you had an ancile after you do.Besides,you were facing a robot that nearly cost 9k Au(if it had a pair of orks) against your griff with orks.Dont be scared to come in it's shield,it traded its thunder for the shield,just blast him in the face and jump away if you can(and repeat until you *AHEM!*I mean he is dead).Don't call it OP without a very valid reason. |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 7:35:34 GMT -5
New mechanics of Punisher, Punisher Mk2, Molot and Molot Mk2 are almost there! When fired continuously for 3 sec the weapon enters an accelerated state with a doubled rate of fire. The effect lasts until you stop shooting for 1 sec or run out of ammo. Official post on their facebook You post in a thread without reading the first entry? |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 15, 2017 7:36:58 GMT -5
Well if you don't like the word OP, let's put it differently. The Gareth is the only light with such speed and at the same time such ability to demolish all mediums (except Galahad) and most heavies (except the top-3 Griff/Lance/Fury depending on circumstances). Its power and abilities far exceed its class, let’s remind that is a light bot we are talking about. The Galahad is in the same boat, to a lesser extent. This is why is it the only medium bot that you will regularly find at TT in this game. To me those two bots are the very definition of OP. In relation to their price and classes, they ARE OP. No, if only one or two light robots (Gareth and Stalker) and two medium robots (Galahad and Carnage) are usable in almost all tiers, that is a sign that the game mechanics are broken. |
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Post by War Child on Mar 15, 2017 7:59:17 GMT -5
That is because they are ROBOTS(don't compare humans with with gigantic mechs),and FYI, if I were to realistically explain their actual size,they would be the size of a 3 story building or more.Since when did reality was put inside a game?Both of you are right,pricetags in this game are unbalanced(why do you want griffin to cost gold?),brit bots were originally designed for higher teirs(apples)and rog/gep was designed to dominate in the lower teirs(oranges).If you didn't know this,rog and gep was the gala and the gary in the lower tiers when clubbing was still allowed.That is probably the partial reason they both cost the same.But how about we compare the other things like rhino and the raijin,they cost the same but why is raijin less popular?Everything in this game has ups and downs,which make it so great,and if I may take the honour... SHUT UP AND PLAY! Oh,I always wanted to do that,no offence BTW |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 15, 2017 8:08:11 GMT -5
oh ffs... who cares what bots are OP... back to my sweet loves... my most precious of preciouses... the punisssssherrrrr. It's getting a buff  |
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Post by -arjuna- on Mar 15, 2017 8:37:51 GMT -5
Well if you don't like the word OP, let's put it differently. The Gareth is the only light with such speed and at the same time such ability to demolish all mediums (except Galahad) and most heavies (except the top-3 Griff/Lance/Fury depending on circumstances). Its power and abilities far exceed its class, let’s remind that is a light bot we are talking about. The Galahad is in the same boat, to a lesser extent. This is why is it the only medium bot that you will regularly find at TT in this game. To me those two bots are the very definition of OP. In relation to their price and classes, they ARE OP. And I will go further here, Pix knows it perfectly and it was a deliberate strategy to sell those bots. Which makes sense in the end. actually ... you could kill gareth with stalker pinata, i've done that many times.. even if they carry higher level tarmag than mine ( im level 6 stalker lvl 7 pinata) it took 2 salvos for me to kill'em. off course sometimes the gareth killed me too... but i guest its not OP just better pilot. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2017 8:53:53 GMT -5
That is because they are ROBOTS(don't compare humans with with gigantic mechs),and FYI, if I were to realistically explain their actual size,they would be the size of a 3 story building or more. Technically, they are realistically sized already. Just compare them to the cars in Shenzen. |
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Post by Ron Gaul on Mar 15, 2017 14:07:24 GMT -5
I respect your opinion, even if we see things differently.
Ironically, in your last example, I would exactly call the Griffin OP. I am talking in terms of value here, it is the only silver robot that you can find at TT, and compared to other heavy silver robots, it is OP to me. It could easily be worth 2'500 gold and that would not be a scandal at all, I’d argue it would actually be much closer to its true value on the field.
I guess we have a different understanding of what is an OP robot. To me it is relative to the class and the value. You tell me not to compare apple and oranges, do you really want to play that game ? Comparable in class and price to the Gareth is the Gepard. Comparable in class and price to the Galahad is the Rogatka. Do you really want to have a discussion there ? THIS IS your apple to apple comparison.
The fundamental problem is that in general, in all games I played in my life so far, you have a balance in the sense that the fastest bot is usually weaker in confrontations than the heavier one. What's the point of having a slow bot if it can't hold when facing a fast bot ? For instance if you play a gladiator game, the addition of a heavy shield will make your fighter slower, not faster, and it would not make sense that the guy with the shield would ALSO have the speed advantage. Oddly those rules don’t apply at all in War Robots, as the Gareth is not only fastest, but is also much stronger than all mediums (minus Galahad) and most heavies in 1/1 confrontations. I like to use heavies, and let me tell you that when I see a Gareth or a Galahad coming at me, I know that odds are really not on my side at all. That raises a question of balance in the game to me.
But whatever I guess, like I said previously I think Pix perfectly know it, and deliberately created OP bots to sell them. Which in some ways make sense, commercially speaking. With the Rog vs Galahad and Gep vs Gareth, both Gep and Rog were created as Ag bots. They were later changed to Au because they were so markedly superior to everything else at their level. So the Gareth is capable of fighting stronger bots? Well, Gepard DOMINATES stronger bots at its level. In fact players were begging for - and got - a new MM because the Gep was so heavily overpowered at its level. Gep, however, and Rog too, are both silver-tier bots. And in their own tiers, they're more overpowered against the opposition than Gareth and Galahad are against enemies in Gold and up! Gareth is strong, but requires skill to use effectively and is only situationally effective. Same with Galahad. Same with every top-tier bot. The higher you go, the more specialized bots become, and the stronger they get in their respective specialties. Yet, their weaknesses are also more easily exploited by other specialized bots. |
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Post by Feezou on Mar 15, 2017 14:11:52 GMT -5
YES! Punishers are gonna be soooooo good!
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