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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:10:47 GMT -5
Title says it all. I think we can have out final say on it since Leagues rolled out. Want to hear all of your thoughts and reasoning.
Old MM - Hangar based MM New MM - Damage / League based MM.
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Post by typewriter on Mar 6, 2017 22:19:12 GMT -5
Old - how old? Just before leagues, or back to tiers and hangar points?
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 22:21:32 GMT -5
Seal clubbing is gone. That really sucks for me. No more ten gold per round. No more eight kills against thunders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:24:00 GMT -5
Old - how old? Just before leagues, or back to tiers and hangar points? Hangar based.
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Post by mechtout on Mar 6, 2017 22:26:08 GMT -5
my low silver account would definitely say old my higher account would say whatever, new one is nothing special
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:28:35 GMT -5
Seal clubbing is gone. That really sucks for me. No more ten gold per round. No more eight kills against thunders. Where'd it go? Seems to still be around, just not with mag/geps. 12/12 in recruit Until Pix solves the tanking problems, then I'd have to say the old tier / hanger version was better. The current version has a lot of problems with it. Firstly, tanking. It's still ever present. Secondly, the lack of use people get from their bots now. Go heavy or go home in a scrap heap. Largely making half to two thirds of the bots next to useless or completely useless. Unless you tank your way down to the low leagues so you can play the bots...but beware the other tankers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:38:57 GMT -5
The new one can be explained on the topic of participation trophies, where everyone gets equal prizes if you are good or if you are bad. Should you really be getting heaps of silver and gold in an equal amount which a skilled player got if you are unskilled? If you are skilled, you should be able to carry your team to victory which was the case in high silver and up, where Magnum Gepards were not thriving. The League based matchmaking seems to allow anyone to bullcrap this game and still get nice rewards. As for the tanking vs clubbing issues, now everyone can be a clubber and it is far worse. Tanking affects virtually everyone and you cannot control nor avoid it. Clubbing was only in the lower tiers and you could easily escape it by loading up 6/8 Thunder Piniata Leos or Russian Griffins. Or you could slug it out with them with Thunder Taran Boa.
Old one hands down, for me.
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Post by cakeordeath on Mar 6, 2017 22:52:40 GMT -5
While it is hardly flawless and needs fine tuning, I prefer the new matchmaker over the old one. I had only been playing a few weeks in the old system when the new one arrived and the painful deficiencies of the old one in the lower tiers wère already glaring to me. The prior system required you to artificially stunt your progression within certain bot and weapon levels and avoid lots of interesting bots or be chucked into the shark tank of the next tier(s). The granularity of progression was awful, providing way too much incentive to be a big fish in a small pond for a very long time.
Most importantly, my matches in the old system were way more lopsided (tons of cakewalks or crushing defeats). I might grumble now and then but the current system does a far better job of putting me in games with players who challenge but don't easily overwhelm me. Battles often go down to the wire now. I win about as much as I lose and I've slowly edged up in league points as my gear upgrades and I learn.
I like being able to run whatever bot I feel like and being matched based on my track record (i.e. what I can do with my bots), not suddenly chucked up a tier because a single bot or weapon upgrade tipped me over. When I got lucky in an event and won some britbots, I was able to field them after a few quick levelings instead of waiting the months it would take me to have a gold hangar. When my kid wanted to spend his allowance on a Gareth, it didn't screw his entire matchmaking.
I do wish some mechanism was in place to allow me to play with a handicapped hangar in a lower league with my young kid but honestly, I'm very happy that the new matchmaker let's him play fair matches and have fun solo instead of just being cannon fodder for mag geps or worse.
Maybe the old system was better for players with very high level hangars. I honestly wouldn't know. I do know that I'd have been less likely to have stuck with War Robots this long with the unpleasantly jagged progression patterns and clubbing of the old system.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 6, 2017 22:59:07 GMT -5
I suppose if you were comparing apples to apples...Judging a car that is 1/4 assembled vs a fully assembled one is absurd. Its obvious the MM is not even close to what Pix wants it to be - let it ripen.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 6, 2017 23:10:31 GMT -5
I have a split answer depending on my mood so I didn't vote: - when I'm feeling competitive, I like the new MM and league....you have to really think and be hyper aware on the battlefield. Have to use the utmost out of each bot to get the win. Like playing chess. - when I want mindless entertainment, I like the old MM because I could run my 4/12 geps in silver tier in a more fluid battle style...like playing Chutes and Ladders
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Post by [ita]SirKenzoY2J on Mar 6, 2017 23:11:24 GMT -5
the old ones allows you to decide what to face off. with my 4/8 Medium hangar i can decide to change game activity on battleground, that's great. when instead i want to face stronger enemies to improve my skills, i can switch my hangar to a better one, maxed out.
Now i can't decide, only progress and climb. nothing special imo... i miss the Silver Tier matches (i don't use any MagGeps in my old silver hangar, because i know how to win wth and without a sealclub hangar and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one)
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Post by AlienVoid on Mar 6, 2017 23:17:06 GMT -5
Easy.
The old match maker. If i don't want to face gepards I just move up a tier. There was so much more you could do. I enjoyed mixing up my hangar. You never knew if you would win or lose.
With the new you have to use only 12/12 bots and only certain bots. Which is so boring. Now I know i'm going to lose 10 matches before i win 1.
really in a way i am surprised there isnt more outrage and pushing by the players on pixonic to revert back or change the mm again.
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Post by themadmac on Mar 6, 2017 23:30:09 GMT -5
the old ones allows you to decide what to face off. with my 4/8 Medium hangar i can decide to change game activity on battleground, that's great. when instead i want to face stronger enemies to improve my skills, i can switch my hangar to a better one, maxed out. Now i can't decide, only progress and climb. nothing special imo... i miss the Silver Tier matches (i don't use any MagGeps in my old silver hangar, because i know how to win wth and without a sealclub hangar and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one) Different game modes could easily fix this. I hope that comes along. However i have such a backlog on my main hangar fine tuning a medium and light hanger seems terrifying.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 6, 2017 23:51:32 GMT -5
I miss sneaking down to bronze to go full counter-clubber vigilante with my Cossack hangar. Gepards were food. Now...
Take me back.
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Post by Replicant on Mar 6, 2017 23:59:38 GMT -5
The new mm might have some potential but until they fix it the old broken MM was more predictable and so more playable. Magic 8 ball says "ask again" (in three months)
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 7, 2017 0:36:27 GMT -5
Old mm was more flexible with multiple hanger accounts. You had a easier time squadding with old mm. You could help a friend start in game with old mm You didn't have a 50 game or more adjustment when you wanted to change bots to get reasonable gameplay with old mm. You didn't see lvl 12/12 sealclubbers in old mm You didn't see tanking in old mm. You didn't see half your clan leave because of old mm. You didn't have to buy a new tablet from the sheer agony of playing some games with old mm because you whipped it at a wall compared to new mm. You didn't see so many people refuse to spend another dime on game because old mm is gone. You could use bots you liked that are med and small that are no longer feasible with new mm. You didn't see as many people dropping gameplay time with old mm compared to new mm. You didn't see so many people swear at pixonic with old mm as now. You didn't see so many people looking for another game to play with old mm. You didn't see so many people fall out of love with a game like you saw with old mm...if new mm goes away it will be a international Holiday. You didnt see so many people go out of the way to give pix a one star with old mm like new mm or worse. Old mm people spent money because they wanted to support pix...now pix has it you feel forced to pay to win. Gameplay is too messed up with new mm even if I have a few hours to spend I usually wrap it up early...before I looked for excuses to play longer. With old mm. Old mm is a game I loved....New mm is a game I dislike more and more everyday. Yup think that covers it... I voted old mm.
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Post by SuperHero on Mar 7, 2017 1:10:47 GMT -5
I have a split answer depending on my mood so I didn't vote: - when I'm feeling competitive, I like the new MM and league....you have to really think and be hyper aware on the battlefield. Have to use the utmost out of each bot to get the win. Like playing chess. - when I want mindless entertainment, I like the old MM because I could run my 4/12 geps in silver tier in a more fluid battle style...like playing Chutes and Ladders "Mindless entertainment" is exactly what I say to my wife when she asks me why I play or watch stupid shows. Lol
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Post by hizzie on Mar 7, 2017 1:14:17 GMT -5
Old. I prefer the tiers/hangar scores. I do not enjoy the awful matchups I still see. Leagues are useless is you still get matched up well outside of that league. Not even gonna start with all the 12/12 hangars that tanked their scoring matches.
Pushback? I play much less now and leave my CC in my wallet. No more real money spent for events.
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 7, 2017 1:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by loren on Mar 7, 2017 1:52:04 GMT -5
I miss the old MM. The league addition was a disappointment for me and the bi-polar matches are getting tiresome.
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Post by a203 on Mar 7, 2017 2:30:44 GMT -5
Old. I prefer the tiers/hangar scores. I do not enjoy the awful matchups I still see. Leagues are useless is you still get matched up well outside of that league. Not even gonna start with all the 12/12 hangars that tanked their scoring matches. Pushback? I play much less now and leave my CC in my wallet. No more real money spent for events. New MM is playable for new players(if you use highly damaging loadouts like punisher patton/punisher destrier and change to patton pinata DB later on) which is overall uncommon and hard to come across
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Post by a203 on Mar 7, 2017 2:32:17 GMT -5
I miss the old MM. The league addition was a disappointment for me and the bi-polar matches are getting tiresome. i usually get matched up with 「dookie」ty P-T-W players with bots and weapons 2 or more tiers higher than mine and die to their 'supreme skills'
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 7, 2017 4:07:21 GMT -5
I didn't realize people would b so passionate about the old mm, since a league based system is very exciting in my opinion, but I get the point about not being able to run 'fun' setups.
Careful tho when u say 'in old mm u could just switch out bots to make the game more balanced' you're basically just saying, you'd rather play w a weaker setup, which is basically tanking.
If new mm is 'unbalanced'... Where is it unbalanced towards... Just people who intentionally play weak builds to try to steal gold and wreck low tier gamers experience.
It comes down to this: if u want to use pixonic server space, u have to play competitively to have balanced matches. If u have a hankering to screw around in silly lineups just for old times' sake... Then ur going to get crushed. That makes sense. And probably there's no separate game mode for messing around lineups bc that type of play doesn't facilitate selling gold.
I like the new mm bc I just want to 'figure out' the best lineup and fastest path there and the league system rewards me bc it gives me a way to measure my progress there. Like intellectual 「going solo」. I totally get the thing about wanting to play old school light bots for fun but... Pixonic got to line its coffers somehow. I love how they do it this way and keep the app free...
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Post by Thunder Carnage on Mar 7, 2017 4:47:32 GMT -5
How come I'm finding that I keep wrecking fools in the new mm? Going away with 4-6 kills in my pocket is quickily becoming the norm for me
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Post by ewing411 on Mar 7, 2017 7:39:43 GMT -5
<snip> Most importantly, my matches in the old system were way more lopsided (tons of cakewalks or crushing defeats). <snip> Maybe the old system was better for players with very high level hangars. I honestly wouldn't know. I do know that I'd have been less likely to have stuck with War Robots this long with the unpleasantly jagged progression patterns and clubbing of the old system. In the last iteration of match-maker my sub 9/9 hanger was getting trolled with mixes of 11s to 12s like gangbuster. Now that I'm mostly at 9/9 it still throws plenty of 10s and 11s but generally not in the same quantity. So the new system is actually an improvement for my placement in Diamond. Something else has created a super high pressured environment. Be it league points, squads, damage meta, a combination or something intangible this game gives a crappy experience more often than it should. What is so crazy about this is in the previous match-making I could have "good loses." Every defeat now is a stresser because I didn't min/max my hanger.
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Post by zeus on Mar 7, 2017 8:22:43 GMT -5
Can we have the old one that is hangar based and meet the new one halfway for player "skill"? I'm definitely enjoying my games with better players all around. Most of them tend to cap, defend and maneuver themselves tactically around the map. No more having to deal with level 10 destriers and molot spiral taran gekko rhinos who run around like headless chickens.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Mar 7, 2017 8:59:23 GMT -5
Seems to still be around, just not with mag/geps. 12/12 in recruit ...... tanking. It's still ever present. ...... the lack of use people get from their bots now. Go heavy or go home in a scrap heap. Largely making half to two thirds of the bots next to useless or completely useless. Unless you tank your way down to the low leagues so you can play the bots...but beware the other tankers. . What he said pretty much sums it up ! .
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Post by googleme on Mar 7, 2017 9:07:51 GMT -5
The new one can be explained on the topic of participation trophies, where everyone gets equal prizes if you are good or if you are bad. Should you really be getting heaps of silver and gold in an equal amount which a skilled player got if you are unskilled? If you are skilled, you should be able to carry your team to victory which was the case in high silver and up, where Magnum Gepards were not thriving. The League based matchmaking seems to allow anyone to bullcrap this game and still get nice rewards. As for the tanking vs clubbing issues, now everyone can be a clubber and it is far worse. Tanking affects virtually everyone and you cannot control nor avoid it. Clubbing was only in the lower tiers and you could easily escape it by loading up 6/8 Thunder Piniata Leos or Russian Griffins. Or you could slug it out with them with Thunder Taran Boa. Old one hands down, for me. Yes, yes, and yes. In the old MM we could change our hangers to mentor newer players in squads. Now the new players just get crushed if they play with me and i get crushed if i play with higher mates. Totally ruined squad play and one of the major reasons for having clans. Good players are leaving the game because they can not play with their mates. Many of us blame the new MM for everytime we see a player leave a game early, not play hard, or suicide their bots. We blame the new MM and think "that guy is tanking" even if there might be a good reasons for him to leave/disconnect or not play effectually. That shows that many of us do not trust the new MM and Pix. What do we have without trust in the MM?
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 7, 2017 9:15:06 GMT -5
In two minds. Was really liking the new league and very even gameS in Diamond 3. Now all Im getting is 12/12 and Champions League and tankers. Last match all 5 of my team tanked leaving my 8/8 against a maxed red army of six
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 7, 2017 9:18:10 GMT -5
Old MM all day, everyday. Fully 3/4 of the bots in my hangar are useless in the current environment. That includes gold bots like my pair of Geps and pair of Rogs, not to mention fun silver bots like the Cossack and Golem. In the old MM you could run fluid, quick, really fun games or challenge yourself and load up the heavies for some gold action, like boomsplat said. I really miss the variety, quick-switch ability, and the freedom to do so. spawnreaper was on point too, with every point.
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