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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 4, 2017 14:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 4, 2017 15:08:08 GMT -5
Looks like all of them have popular meta bots. There is one triple teen sticking out like a sore thumb but otherwise all are common meta. They all have a db or a variation of it and sometimes more than one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 15:14:32 GMT -5
Seems like the popular bots are now Trident Fury, Ancile Lancelot and Orkan Aphid Griffin.
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Post by amoebastudios on Mar 4, 2017 15:15:55 GMT -5
This is a great view. It would be helpful if we can get a top 20 to average it out.
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Mar 4, 2017 15:25:06 GMT -5
Interesting. One caveat is that being at the top of legend league depends more on having high activity than being particularly outstanding in terms of skill. I know a lot of the pilots on there who are no doubt great players but who I wouldn't call legends (including that #3 "Bloody Smile" guy from my clan).
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 4, 2017 16:24:37 GMT -5
I'm surprised at the number of Griffins. As a silver-bot, Pix could make some money if it was necessary to replace Griffins with a gold bot.
Oh, wait...
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 4, 2017 16:49:57 GMT -5
This is a great view. It would be helpful if we can get a top 20 to average it out. I looked through top ten...pretty much the same results...Top 20 I will see what I can do... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 17:38:31 GMT -5
Look like guys I fight all the time.
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Post by petevb on Mar 5, 2017 2:45:42 GMT -5
If you look at iOS you get a different answer- fewer Rhino and Thunder Carnage, more Galahad. If you only look at guys who are winning (rather than simply trying to score damage) you get something different again. There are currently 11 guys in Legends on iOS why are at 90% wins or above. Below is a breakdown of their hangers:  A "typical" hanger will have an Ancilot (tank), PDB Galahad (speed / Griffin killer), DB Griffin and PDB Griffin (brawlers) plus one range bot (usually Fury, usually Trident). Pretty solid, balanced hanger with decent mobility and the ability to take heavy fire. Interesting that hangers are so different between android and iOS, especially the Galahad. Are Orks harder to avoid on Android I wonder? I see more of them... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 3:41:50 GMT -5
If you look at iOS you get a different answer- fewer Rhino and Thunder Carnage, more Galahad. If you only look at guys who are winning (rather than simply trying to score damage) you get something different again. There are currently 11 guys in Legends on iOS why are at 90% wins or above. Below is a breakdown of their hangers: A "typical" hanger will have an Ancilot (tank), PDB Galahad (speed / Griffin killer), DB Griffin and PDB Griffin (brawlers) plus one range bot (usually Fury, usually Trident). Pretty solid, balanced hanger with decent mobility and the ability to take heavy fire. Interesting that hangers are so different between android and iOS, especially the Galahad. Are Orks harder to avoid on Android I wonder? I see more of them... Very interesting to see this contrast. Thanks for the info. I assumed the amount of thunder carnages and plasma griffs we now see were related to the max damage quest everyone is on, as Galahad does not fill that damage dealing role as well, but maybe it does have something to do with Galahad's survivability to rockets on the two platforms. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 5, 2017 3:44:10 GMT -5
When I first read that
Oh jeez someone with a hangar that bad is in the top five? Oh wait lol no that's rockwelder's.
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Post by intruder1 on Mar 5, 2017 4:01:02 GMT -5
Well, if nothing else, it tells me what bots I should start leveling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 4:28:39 GMT -5
petevb that was very interesting and what I see in battles. It is also why I am leveling up 2 more Griffins to replace my Rhinos, and have already built a Stuka. Plus changed in the last weeks about exactly what type of weapons I need to upgrade next. Even with the smaller section of Fury Tridents more than enough to tilt the game for whoever runs them. Along with that comes a whole different style of play also, which will take a while for me to get used to. No more head on rushes, drop shield and push the big red button. Thanks for doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 4:31:41 GMT -5
@heavypanda Gal is my capper and creator of havoc during the first minute or longer of the battle.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Mar 5, 2017 4:33:54 GMT -5
When I first read that Oh jeez someone with a hangar that bad is in the top five? Oh wait lol no that's rockwelder's. You run a Cossack. Enough said? Jk Fam |
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Post by Meep on Mar 5, 2017 7:31:53 GMT -5
Interesting data indeed. I'd love to suck all that and more into a Splunk instance to do some analysis.
For the guys with high win rates i wouldn't be surprised if that is more related to coordination using live coms (Clan) than other factors. Certainly not to take away from their individual skill or hangers.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 5, 2017 12:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Mar 5, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
petevb that was very interesting and what I see in battles. It is also why I am leveling up 2 more Griffins to replace my Rhinos, and have already built a Stuka. Plus changed in the last weeks about exactly what type of weapons I need to upgrade next. Even with the smaller section of Fury Tridents more than enough to tilt the game for whoever runs them. Along with that comes a whole different style of play also, which will take a while for me to get used to. No more head on rushes, drop shield and push the big red button. Thanks for doing that. Stukka? What qualifies as a stukka? I thought i was purty versed on the War Robots nomenclature... |
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Post by Golden Sabre on Mar 5, 2017 13:39:23 GMT -5
Stukka is an Orkid, I refuse to call it anything else
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 5, 2017 14:22:20 GMT -5
...or an AphidOrkyGriffy...
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Post by gillur on Mar 5, 2017 15:31:55 GMT -5
Love the breakdown in visual form. No pins in upper tiers. I guess I'm tossing the RDB Grif in the scrapheap.
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Post by petevb on Mar 5, 2017 16:50:33 GMT -5
IMO, the pilots that are mostly randoming reflect a more realistic view of what would work for most pilots. 'Work for what" is the question? I see a couple examples of guys setting up specifically to do damage at the expense of wins there, i.e. sitting back in Trebs or charging in rather than playing strategically. A strong unselfish player should be able to average well north of 50% in Champions soloing. If your goal is purely to accumulate championship points then that damage focused stratagy makes sense, but note that the guys around or below 50% are less mobile than the average with both more Lance and long range vs the guys with more wins. If you're willing to sacrifice wins that's a valid stratagy, but it's not one I support. I'd personally go for the high win rate model above. That blend of mobility and firepower is very close to what I've found to be most effective in all purpose play, both squadding and solo. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 5, 2017 18:38:27 GMT -5
IMO, the pilots that are mostly randoming reflect a more realistic view of what would work for most pilots. 'Work for what" is the question? I see a couple examples of guys setting up specifically to do damage at the expense of wins there, i.e. sitting back in Trebs or charging in rather than playing strategically. A strong unselfish player should be able to average well north of 50% in Champions soloing. If your goal is purely to accumulate championship points then that damage focused stratagy makes sense, but note that the guys around or below 50% are less mobile than the average with both more Lance and long range vs the guys with more wins. If you're willing to sacrifice wins that's a valid stratagy, but it's not one I support. I'd personally go for the high win rate model above. That blend of mobility and firepower is very close to what I've found to be most effective in all purpose play, both squadding and solo. Pete, I don't know, but the top 5 list looks like all the same hangar of just 4 bots in pretty much the same format. These 5 seems to have squading win rates in the 90s. I didn't see any diversity or speed in those hangars --- not even a Galahad in the top 5. The top five I with much lower win rates actually had much more diversity and speed in their hangars - Galahads and even 1 Gareth. Are the top Champions that mostly random selfish and using less mobile setup? I can't say if they play selfishly, but from the looks of their hangars, I'd say that this is probably not true because they even bother to use Galahads. Offhand, the 5 top randoms look to have much more mobile hangars too. Whichever is true, both sets of hangars really point to very few setups, with the randoms running slightly more setups than the squanders. |
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Post by petevb on Mar 5, 2017 18:50:19 GMT -5
Pete, I don't know, but the top 5 list looks like all the same hangar of just 4 bots in pretty much the same format. These 5 seems to have squading win rates in the 90s. I didn't see any diversity or speed in those hangars --- not even a Galahad in the top 5. I think we're talking cross purposes. You're refering to the "top 5" above? That's Android. Top 5 on iOS look quite different, and there you do see Galahad, etc. However I'm refering to the >90% win rate group I've included in the chart above. Virtually everyone in that group has a Galahad (or sometimes Gareth). I think that's the best group I've seen to model a hanger off of, and I'd argue that the Android or other iOS examples can be misleading... |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 5, 2017 19:53:35 GMT -5
Pete, I don't know, but the top 5 list looks like all the same hangar of just 4 bots in pretty much the same format. These 5 seems to have squading win rates in the 90s. I didn't see any diversity or speed in those hangars --- not even a Galahad in the top 5. I think we're talking cross purposes. You're refering to the "top 5" above? That's Android. Top 5 on iOS look quite different, and there you do see Galahad, etc. However I'm refering to the >90% win rate group I've included in the chart above. Virtually everyone in that group has a Galahad (or sometimes Gareth). I think that's the best group I've seen to model a hanger off of, and I'd argue that the Android or other iOS examples can be misleading... Whoops - cross platform comparision. Strange how the platforms are different. Android must be highly skewed to a country or group-area for such uniformity. |
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Post by RΛИDØM on Mar 6, 2017 1:29:19 GMT -5
If you look at iOS you get a different answer- fewer Rhino and Thunder Carnage, more Galahad. If you only look at guys who are winning (rather than simply trying to score damage) you get something different again. There are currently 11 guys in Legends on iOS why are at 90% wins or above. Below is a breakdown of their hangers: A "typical" hanger will have an Ancilot (tank), PDB Galahad (speed / Griffin killer), DB Griffin and PDB Griffin (brawlers) plus one range bot (usually Fury, usually Trident). Pretty solid, balanced hanger with decent mobility and the ability to take heavy fire. Interesting that hangers are so different between android and iOS, especially the Galahad. Are Orks harder to avoid on Android I wonder? I see more of them... [ Many of the top Android players use emulators to play the game on the computer. Using an emulator allows key mapping - making playing a death button Rhino effectively much easier with the emulator. The Orks are easier to fire individually around corners and fire control is better using the emulator. Also aiming with the Orkans is easier because you are using a mouse. I play iOS , but tested Android using an emulator and there is a definite advantage to playing on the computer in terms of aiming, fire controller and performing multiple actions at once (using a rhino). That is my best guess at accounting for the difference. So in a way - yes Orkans are harder to avoid on Android! |
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Post by suntron on Mar 6, 2017 4:37:50 GMT -5
I think maybe the ios meta is behind the andriod as they have had less time to adjust to the carnage shield buff and league damage rating. However I was going to buy a galahad today but thinking should I wait try to get a Lance as all the top plays have one? I could get a Carnage in the mean time for beacon capping while maintaining damage. Any thoughts?
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 6, 2017 8:02:13 GMT -5
Many of the top Android players use emulators to play the game on the computer. Using an emulator allows key mapping - making playing a death button Rhino effectively much easier with the emulator. The Orks are easier to fire individually around corners and fire control is better using the emulator. Also aiming with the Orkans is easier because you are using a mouse. I play iOS , but tested Android using an emulator and there is a definite advantage to playing on the computer in terms of aiming, fire controller and performing multiple actions at once (using a rhino). That is my best guess at accounting for the difference. So in a way - yes Orkans are harder to avoid on Android! This would also explain the huge differences in competition levels with IOS vs Android of equivalent league. The Android Gold div is equal to the Diamond/Experts on IOS...Players have a better control advantage. |
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Post by tsunisterbr on Mar 6, 2017 10:38:28 GMT -5
I think it would be good if Pix'd power up the japanese bots, and maybe leos and nats too, so they could become TT options... That's one thing I don't like (compared to average leagues) in TT, lack of diversity.
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Post by SuperHero on Mar 6, 2017 10:47:00 GMT -5
Many of the top Android players use emulators to play the game on the computer. Using an emulator allows key mapping - making playing a death button Rhino effectively much easier with the emulator. The Orks are easier to fire individually around corners and fire control is better using the emulator. Also aiming with the Orkans is easier because you are using a mouse. I play iOS , but tested Android using an emulator and there is a definite advantage to playing on the computer in terms of aiming, fire controller and performing multiple actions at once (using a rhino). That is my best guess at accounting for the difference. So in a way - yes Orkans are harder to avoid on Android! This would also explain the huge differences in competition levels with IOS vs Android of equivalent league. The Android Gold div is equal to the Diamond/Experts on IOS...Players have a better control advantage. I'd actually be interested to know just what percentage of folks play this game on an emulator? Advantage be something upsetting to the mobile users? |
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