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Post by Shahmatt on Mar 3, 2017 2:33:46 GMT -5
Hi y'all, new forum member here. Been playing for around 3 weeks now and thought I'd join the conversation.
I've got a 3 slot hangar and I charge in with a:
6 Leo/Thunder, Pinata, Magnum, Aphid (all at 6) 6 Gareth/7 Molot,6 Taran and 10 Golem/8 Taran, 5 Ancile, 7 Magnum
I've also got a Cossack and Destrier waiting in the shadows.
The Leo and Gareth are great bots. The Gareth is new and I'm kind of picking up the moves (and it IS all about the moves). But with both these bots I've got to expose so much body to fire.
Not so with the Golem. That hardpoint is great for shooting around corners even when the Reds are not visible to the eye. I regularly rack up 250k and my max is 600k (which was mostly Golem).
A lot of folks seem to compare the Golem to the Boa. I've not tried a Boa, but from the design I would think that the usage style would have to be different.
I guess the Golem is weaker than many other bots generally, but using it the right way I think a lot of good work can be done.
Seems strange that it isn't discussed more.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 3, 2017 2:58:49 GMT -5
I enjoyed my Golem a lot. It's a great bot, but the Golem is seen as versatile whereas at higher levels you tend to have more specialised bots.
Enjoy your Golem before you feel the pressure to replace it. :-)
BTW, Gareth can corner-shoot pretty well too. :-)
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Post by Shahmatt on Mar 3, 2017 3:16:54 GMT -5
I enjoyed my Golem a lot. It's a great bot, but the Golem is seen as versatile whereas at higher levels you tend to have more specialised bots. Enjoy your Golem before you feel the pressure to replace it. :-) BTW, Gareth can corner-shoot pretty well too. :-) Ah perhaps that's it then. The Golem's firepower is lacking on that hardpoint. It's only a single medium. So maybe it's not suited for the higher levels. In the older Golem design (from YT videos) it seems that the right side had both a medium and a light, but these weapons were closer to the body. With the redesign that arm is extended out but the light moved to the left side. Though it reduces the advantage in terms of firepower, the reach and corner shooting is what makes the bot quite special and maybe it's a worthy trade off. A couple of points about the corner shooting vs the Gareth: 1. The Golem's hardpoint seems to stick out a lot more than the Gareth so corner shooting is easier. 2. The Golem hardpoint is a medium, whilst the Gareth is a light. Overall the Gareth is quite a different bot. I suck bad at playing it right now. But given the optimism about it in this forum I'll keep leveling it up and hopefully make that gold count.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 3, 2017 3:48:25 GMT -5
I enjoyed my Golem a lot. It's a great bot, but the Golem is seen as versatile whereas at higher levels you tend to have more specialised bots. Enjoy your Golem before you feel the pressure to replace it. :-) BTW, Gareth can corner-shoot pretty well too. :-) Ah perhaps that's it then. The Golem's firepower is lacking on that hardpoint. It's only a single medium. So maybe it's not suited for the higher levels. In the older Golem design (from YT videos) it seems that the right side had both a medium and a light, but these weapons were closer to the body. With the redesign that arm is extended out but the light moved to the left side. Though it reduces the advantage in terms of firepower, the reach and corner shooting is what makes the bot quite special and maybe it's a worthy trade off. A couple of points about the corner shooting vs the Gareth: 1. The Golem's hardpoint seems to stick out a lot more than the Gareth so corner shooting is easier. 2. The Golem hardpoint is a medium, whilst the Gareth is a light. Overall the Gareth is quite a different bot. I suck bad at playing it right now. But given the optimism about it in this forum I'll keep leveling it up and hopefully make that gold count. Yes, you may be able to sneakily shoot the Gareth's medium and light around a corner, but it's tougher than in the Golem where the hardpoint is a long way from the body. People talk about corner-shooting with a Galahad too, so that may be an upgrade from your Golem... but it's 2,500 Gold. As you progress, there will be more splash damage and pilots get better at using it, as well as at spotting you, so corner shooting may not be as effective as at lower levels.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Mar 3, 2017 3:59:21 GMT -5
Yes, you may be able to sneakily shoot the Gareth's medium and light around a corner, but it's tougher than in the Golem where the hardpoint is a long way from the body. People talk about corner-shooting with a Galahad too, so that may be an upgrade from your Golem... but it's 2,500 Gold. As you progress, there will be more splash damage and pilots get better at using it, as well as at spotting you, so corner shooting may not be as effective as at lower levels. Yeah, this. I was a very die hard golem user (up to 4 at some point, 2 pinata/orkan/Thunder and 2 pins/Tulumbas/Trident or Zeus), but once I started facing hordes of levelled trident furies and lancelots it was over quickly for both the brawler and long support versions. Eventually, I changed two of those golems with Galahads and retired the whole lot. I've still two level 10 golems in my hangar collecting dust, however. You never know, should they ever provide for weight-based locked-tiers, i'd love to field again a 2xGolem/Carnage/2xGalahad hangar...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 4:10:54 GMT -5
The Golem used to be tougher and faster. Its a great setup, it just needs to be able to handle what the Boston can. We call the Boa "the toaster", of "toaster of death" Tough bot, but that extra hard point on the golem, makes it more versatile - well in theory. Now it just gets blown to bits. Best keep em. MM could always change,........again
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Post by notyetnotsosoon on Mar 3, 2017 6:27:04 GMT -5
My second bot, even before a Cossack...loved the design/loadouts/firepower/every aspect of it.
Pity because i truly loved it for what it is.
Not feasible in upper tiers then and now as it has no skillset (shield/junp/ancile/etc.) to carry itself there.
Still can't bear to sell it.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Mar 3, 2017 6:41:54 GMT -5
Hi y'all, new forum member here. Been playing for around 3 weeks now and thought I'd join the conversation. I've got a 3 slot hangar and I charge in with a: 6 Leo/Thunder, Pinata, Magnum, Aphid (all at 6) 6 Gareth/7 Molot,6 Taran and 10 Golem/8 Taran, 5 Ancile, 7 Magnum I've also got a Cossack and Destrier waiting in the shadows. The Leo and Gareth are great bots. The Gareth is new and I'm kind of picking up the moves (and it IS all about the moves). But with both these bots I've got to expose so much body to fire. Not so with the Golem. That hardpoint is great for shooting around corners even when the Reds are not visible to the eye. I regularly rack up 250k and my max is 600k (which was mostly Golem). A lot of folks seem to compare the Golem to the Boa. I've not tried a Boa, but from the design I would think that the usage style would have to be different. I guess the Golem is weaker than many other bots generally, but using it the right way I think a lot of good work can be done. Seems strange that it isn't discussed more. View AttachmentWuzzzzup my brotha?!?!? Man, im a dedicated and loyal Golemite. This is my little soldier boy,Lvl 6, Herb McNasty. Although the weapons in the pic arent his ery'day gear. (Was test runnin weapons cfgs) He's usually strapped with a Taran/Mag/Thunder all lvl 8s.
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Post by kucing on Mar 3, 2017 7:03:13 GMT -5
Heya, I run 2 Golems on my all meds hangar, both L6 with L6 MR setup. I am planning to convert 1 into DB after I get my fifth slot and can afford the Orkan.
You are right about the versatility, but I do find these bots to be a bit too soft under fire. Maybe I just have not found the correct config.
I do run a Stalker capper and Vityaz KF in the same hangar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 7:16:54 GMT -5
Shahmatt , Dude you really got to settle down. How your upgrading and equipping your bots. 3 weeks and you have a lvl10 golem with an ancile? You are a little out of step. Back up and take a breath. Rethink, where your at. This is a long term game, with a time investment involved. you are taking too many shortcuts. there are no Destrier in the waiting, a beginner bot at best. Go to tips and advice thread, read every thread, every post on how to upgrade my hangar, help with hangar, any title that has hangar in it. Slow your roll. You will enjoy the game much more, be evenly matched with opponents. sorry if this sounds harsh, not really, and very surprised no one before me said it.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Mar 3, 2017 7:25:06 GMT -5
I actually like the golem ancile/taran/magnum combo, it's sort of a slow Gareth (Altough I'd actualy make it an ancile/tul/Pins). Also, level 10 Golem stands out for the number, but it is not a level 10 Griffin, meaning it takes much much less time and silver to upgrade a Golem than, proportionally, any other bot in game (I think). To get to level 10, less than 3 days and 6 million silver, if I remember correctly. In fact, I think it takes less than 6 days to go from level 1 to 12.
That said, I agree, you should had got 4th slot first and 5th slot too before the Gareth, Ancile and Aphids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 7:26:25 GMT -5
The Trident Pin Tulumbas Golem is a really nice midranger. Have a leveled one in my hangar.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 3, 2017 7:26:37 GMT -5
Wanna make the Golem useful, even as you climb the ladder?
It's generally called the Rocket Golem, some people call it the RDB Golem, other people call it that annoying bot on the red team...
Anyway, Trident-Tulu-Pin extends yourself outside the range of knifers, and makes sure you don't mech out early. It packs a heck of a punch, and isn't nailed to the ground like TT Furies and TP Nats.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 3, 2017 7:27:15 GMT -5
The Trident Pin Tulumbas Golem is a really nice midranger. Have a leveled one in my hangar. You just had to beat me by 10 seconds didn't you
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 3, 2017 7:28:18 GMT -5
Wanna make the Golem useful, even as you climb the ladder? It's generally called the Rocket Golem, some people call it the RDB Golem, other people call it that annoying bot on the red team... Anyway, Trident-Tulu-Pin extends yourself outside the range of knifers, and makes sure you don't mech out early. It packs a heck of a punch, and isn't nailed to the ground like TT Furies and TP Nats. *cough* RDB Griff
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Mar 3, 2017 7:29:57 GMT -5
The Trident Pin Tulumbas Golem is a really nice midranger. Have a leveled one in my hangar. You just had to beat me by 10 seconds didn't you if you weren't a girl I would go all locker room humor on that line.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Mar 3, 2017 7:32:02 GMT -5
Wanna make the Golem useful, even as you climb the ladder? It's generally called the Rocket Golem, some people call it the RDB Golem, other people call it that annoying bot on the red team... Anyway, Trident-Tulu-Pin extends yourself outside the range of knifers, and makes sure you don't mech out early. It packs a heck of a punch, and isn't nailed to the ground like TT Furies and TP Nats. *cough* RDB Griff Arguably, one trident beats a Tulumbas+Pin setup with range and quickness of reload. But we were talking of the golem, not how the (medium) golem compares to a heavy, were we?
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Mar 3, 2017 7:48:50 GMT -5
Shahmatt , Dude you really got to settle down. How your upgrading and equipping your bots. 3 weeks and you have a lvl10 golem with an ancile? You are a little out of step. Back up and take a breath. Rethink, where your at. This is a long term game, with a time investment involved. you are taking too many shortcuts. there are no Destrier in the waiting, a beginner bot at best. Go to tips and advice thread, read every thread, every post on how to upgrade my hangar, hangar, any title that has hangar in it. Slow your roll. You will enjoy the game much more, be evenly matched with opponents. sorry if this sounds harsh, not really, and very surprised no one before me said it. Listen to Old Man dude.. And not just because he's older than Methusala, either... Heh heh. When i first started playin War Robots i had no clue on how to upgrade and maintain a balanced hangar. Or how the process and end results affected the MM. I juiced my Golem, Mr. Herb McNasty up to level 11.. While the rest of my crew were all in the 5, 6 and 7s. Threw ery'thing sideways. Landed me in the shark tank with the great whites. And i wasnt much more than a goldfish. So listen to Old Man. I mean.. Yea, he smells like prunes, mumbles incessantly about the great depression, and how awful it was to witness first hand the Hindenberg crash. But he is wise in the ways of the Robots...
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 3, 2017 8:16:12 GMT -5
Man, this is like throw-back Thursday but on a Friday, first reading the "give Rog some love" thread, now one about Golems? Love it!
Before we all got thrown on our heads with the new MM I ran a Rocket Golem for my mid-ranger, and Thunder - Plasma Golem was my first real brawler -- a great Tri-Mag Gep deterrent and anti-clubbing sled.
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 3, 2017 9:26:20 GMT -5
Shahmatt , Dude you really got to settle down. How your upgrading and equipping your bots. 3 weeks and you have a lvl10 golem with an ancile? You are a little out of step. Back up and take a breath. Rethink, where your at. This is a long term game, with a time investment involved. Cut him some slack The Golem is quite unique in that it is the only bot I know that upgrades in 4.5 days all the way to level 12. You can get it to 10 in less than 3 days, that's less time than it takes another robot to get to level 7. I didn't check all bots, but I think Vityaz came in second with 9 days, and all other bots were 15 days and more. So yes, it is feasible to upgrade the Golem to a very high level early. Ancile, well, I hope he won that one in the contest As for the OPs question, the thing is just that other robots are better and the Golem has no special thing going for it. I run a pet account where I decided a few days ago that I will run an old style medium hangar there, and I do run it with 2 Golems (Rocket Golem and Thunder Taran Magnum Golem), along with 2 Boas (Thunder Taran, Thunder Orkan) and a Plasma Gary. But if you look more closely, there are just better options for everything a Golem can do (I'll stick mostly to silver and WSP stuff here): - Brick fighting: Even the Boa is better for that, Leo has more firepower and more HP than a Golem.
- Plasma/close range or DB setup: Plasma Griff and DB Griff are better than Golem.
- Mid range setup: RDB Griff and Trident Pin Natasha are both better than rocket Golem
- Sniping: Natasha has more firepower and more health.
- Corner shooting (since you mention it): Galahad is way better at that, plus it's faster and has the physical shield.
Yes, it's a gold robot, but it's way up on the gold purchase list.
The extra speed of the Golem doesn't make up for all that. Griffin and Leo get to 35, and Natasha is a long range bot anyway.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 3, 2017 10:38:55 GMT -5
There was a time once when the developers accidentally made a mistake and during an update they made the Golem fast. Really fast. Much faster than it was supposed to be.
That's when I went from having 0 Golems to having 4, and using them all the time. Two Thunder/Taran/Magnum, two Thunder/Orkan/Pinata. And I wasn't the only one who went Golem-crazy.
That Thunder/Orkan/Piñata combo.... with the Golem being so fast, it was an incredibly deadly hit and run killer you couldn't get away from. It even got a name - TOP Golem. They were everywhere.
Then the developers fixed the ooops they did that made the Golem too fast. I still have 2 of them, both TOP versions. Since the big MM change that did away with tiers, I don't use them anymore.
Nice bot, good versatile medium with extra firepower. Downside is, to make best use of the extra firepower (over, say Vityaz) means using one of the expensive medium weapons. Vit is cheaper to arm well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 10:48:57 GMT -5
frunobulax I was as nice as I could be with the OP, I read his entire post, looked at all facts presented in that post, then disseminated all of that to my response. Somebody had to say it. No one else up to that time had said anything about the entire post, only golem. I saw an opportunity to perhaps help him and enhance his game experience. As you did in your thoughtful and well written post.?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 3, 2017 10:57:49 GMT -5
First of all 3 slots? Get the fourth slot. You should have gotten that before any shield bot.
As for the corner peaking ability well it is not unique. A bunch of bots can do it and is much better then the Golem. For example, a Cossack can corner peek and is faster and can jump, A Griffin can corner peek as well and do it on either side of it's medium hard point, A chub has excellent corner and top peeking ability except you don't see it a lot because well it's a lancelot.
Also don't forget about top peeking on certain maps like dead city and canyon where there is a lot of elevation difference you can peek with your top hard point as well.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 3, 2017 11:06:02 GMT -5
Yes, there are better bots. BUT, at the same time... if you like the damn thing and want to run it... then do so. The basic setups are still really good (TOP, Rocket, TTM,)... and as a bubble popper build... Thunder, Punisher, Punisher Mk 2, it might just have a niche. Sure, you could do that with a Leo... but if you have a Golem already leveled high, or, if, again, you just like the damn thing, try it! Would have to stick with a team mate that has an ancile too, prolly, but even a Fujin's regen wouldn't be able to fight that onslaught of bullets enough to regen. I may be a bit off the beaten path with my approach to War Robots now that the leagues and ELO are here, *ahem, see the Natty Zeus Punisher in my hanger now*, but I am still finishing top or close to top in the matches I am in. If all you want is High Damage... look elsewhere. But, if you like to run setups that seem, God forbid, fun, then Hell yeah, do it! I do! If I had to only run DBs and TT Furies to play, I'd quit, personally. The variety is keeping me playing in the small time I have left in the day to play, since RL got more hectic. And, for some reason, MM seems to work better for me this way. Maybe it's because I don't do as much damage as I could that I am staying matched with folks that have very similar league ranks and weapon levels... IDK. Either way... fun is what makes the damn game a game. If it's a chore, then it's not a game. IMO. As to the premise of a Golem being played like a Boa? Not me. I use the Boa as a tough little brick-fighter or as a beacon assistant... either pinning down the defender of a contested beacon or taking it outright, sacrificing it if need be to turn that thing blue. The HP begs you to use it. Maybe I'd say the Boa is like a battle axe and Plate armor. Golem is more of a Spearman in Leather armor. Good damage but needs that front line of shield warriors to hold position. Weird analogy I guess... but I think it gets the point across. After recently playing a lot of non-meta builds I have to admit to not trying the Golem. I will do so now after reading this, and if I get anything good from it, I will post here! I have to say, that Phoenix skin is one of the best in the game... My silly self will prolly use one just for the skin lol! To close, most don't use it because it isn't a bot you will likely use to get max damage nor will it be very viable up in TT. If either of those are your goal, then you need to look past the Golem. BUT, if you like variety, this is a bot that is still able to be utilized according to its strengths and net you a good result if also played with an awareness of its weaknesses. Good luck! See ya on the field!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 11:40:29 GMT -5
There was a time once when the developers accidentally made a mistake and during an update they made the Golem fast. Really fast. Much faster than it was supposed to be. That's when I went from having 0 Golems to having 4, and using them all the time. Two Thunder/Taran/Magnum, two Thunder/Orkan/Pinata. And I wasn't the only one who went Golem-crazy. That Thunder/Orkan/Piñata combo.... with the Golem being so fast, it was an incredibly deadly hit and run killer you couldn't get away from. It even got a name - TOP Golem. They were everywhere. Then the developers fixed the ooops they did that made the Golem too fast. I still have 2 of them, both TOP versions. Since the big MM change that did away with tiers, I don't use them anymore. Nice bot, good versatile medium with extra firepower. Downside is, to make best use of the extra firepower (over, say Vityaz) means using one of the expensive medium weapons. Vit is cheaper to arm well. That was pretty cool when that happened.
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Post by Shahmatt on Mar 3, 2017 12:37:28 GMT -5
Wow. Seems like there's plenty of interest. Old man, Thanks for the advice. I assure you I'm not rushing through the upgrades. When I joined 3 weeks ago it was the Chinese New Year celebrations over here and there was a lucky dip thing going on. At the time I only had the Destrier I think. I got lucky and WON a Golem. Since it was the best bot I had at the time I stuck to it and just kept upgrading. As Andunedhel has first said it didn't take much to upgrade and I didn't feel like it was a burden on my resources. I don't think I spent any gold until I got the Ancile. For some reason this upgrade doesn't seem to get much love either, but I guess at the levels I'm playing at it's been pretty useful, in particular against Hydras. My built was inspired by another forum post where a player described an Ancile-Taran-Magnum Golem that had somehow managed 16 kills. I don't even know if that's possible, but I thought I'd give it a shot. I then bought the Leo and just a few days ago a Gareth. The Leo does as well as my Golem in damage delivery, but I find its slow speed and unsubtle attack tiresome, and so for the larger maps I tend to just go with the Golem. My Leo setup is mainly for heavy impact ambusg and it does pretty decently though does not last long. The Golem is still a bit weak in open maps and this is why I bought the Gareth - I thought speed would be helpful. You are probably right about the fourth slot. The next bit of gold goes there. When I say the Cossack and Destrier are in the shadows I meant they were being retired. frunobulax , Indeed it does appear as though the Golem is at a disadvantage. However, on the corner reach, it seems to me that it is wider than all the other bots. Wider than even the Galahad, for whatever that's worth, though it is a futile comparison.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 3, 2017 13:18:12 GMT -5
And I agree... it really does have a better corner shooting ability than most bots... but splash damage is definitely a counter to that, and is used a lot.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 3, 2017 14:03:40 GMT -5
And I agree... it really does have a better corner shooting ability than most bots... but splash damage is definitely a counter to that, and is used a lot. Firetrucking TT furies and to some extent firetrucking Trident Carnages. Even when you are not corner peeking the splash is so bad it still gets you.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 3, 2017 14:09:23 GMT -5
And I agree... it really does have a better corner shooting ability than most bots... but splash damage is definitely a counter to that, and is used a lot. Firetrucking TT furies and to some extent firetrucking Trident Carnages. Even when you are not corner peeking the splash is so bad it still gets you. Yup... thankfully, though, my matches have been fairly lacking in those firetrucking weapons, lately! I feel I could use a Golem and still compete as things are, but, higher up where the mid-range meta is king...? I would not even think on it.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 3, 2017 14:16:39 GMT -5
TT must be really boring with TT furies vs Ancilots. There are videos out there where the entire squad was TT furies and I saw some TT guy's profiles where he has 4 Ancilots maxed out with a TT fury thrown in for good measure.
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