League System Info (UPDATED 3/7/2017)

So I'll assume by your response that you're one of those "clowns" I spoke of camped out in your precious fury while your team loses. Have a nice day your trollyness.

Mmmm... yes and no. I have the feeling that Pix did NOT really think this one through. Let's see some numbers:

- The difference btw. best and worst loser is 6 points. By leaving mid-game from a game you are "sure" you would lose, the worst taht can happen to you is that you lose 6 points more than you could have. Possibly less.The difference between the best loser and the worst winner is 24 points, but the difference between the average loser and the average winner is 30.

- Let's say you play 100 games in a given amount of time, and lose half (50). If you DON'T leave mid game you will lose an average of 15 points per game, 750 in total. If you ditch and systematically end last (which might not be the case), you lose 900 points, 150 more than in the non-ditching case.

- But, if you ditch mid-game and play another one, you recover half a game per ditch, playing a total of 25 extra games. 12.5 of these you will win, earning at least 12.5*24=300 points more in that same amount of time, but more realistically 12.5*27=337.5. Of course you lose 12.5 of them, losing 187.5 points more.

- So: if you ditch and use the time to play more, you lose IN AVERAGE 337.5 points more. And you gain 337.5 points more, AT LEAST.

Of course, there is a number of assumptions. You stop ditching in the 25 extra matches (otherwise one should iterate), your estimation of the matches that you will lose is assumed perfect... one can model this better, but my estimate at this point is that ditching mid game on losing games is AT WORST a zero-sum game, but LIKELY a marginally convenient strategy in terms of league points, probably a convenient one as far as silver is concerned, and definitely a convenient one regarding gold (more victories in the same time).
So unless my math is off (it might well be), Pix has just created another variety of tankers with this new points distribution, one that is, by the way, harder to recognize and place in a "special queue". Oh, and in the process makes people frustrated, for all these times when you end up 1st of the losers, and wonder why you get 24 points less than the guy on the other team who did not cap any beacon, did one kill, and totaled 450k less damage than you.

I think Pixonic is actually encouraging people to squad more and to create clans where people do so to find a group of people around your level and garage upgrades to play together and help each other out. True team efforts are going to rock. I've seen evidence of this already when matched against mostly asian clans and squads. I'm not the only one to notice this trend either. Their gameplay is too organized to be just random effectiveness. They have to be using comms or coordinating beforehand in chat. Either that or their players just simply understand that taking the friggin' beacons matters because they're certainly not fooling around about aquiring them.

So if you want to climb that league ladder you might want to consider your teammates, or lack thereof. Soloing will always put you in with random players of questionable quality while squading with players whose abilities you know may help you in the long run. If you're not interested in joining a clan friend some people on FaceBook and just squad with them. And use a comms. You people who aren't using it don't understand how frustrating it is to those of us who do. You can warn your teammates of flankers, ask someone to get a beacon, call for a push towards an objective, let others know you need help or are about to bot out. You might be surprised how much it can help and how much nicer it can be just to shoot the sh*t with others.

If your garage isn't up to upper tier snuff you're going to have to suck it up and play hard until your upgrades catch up. Either spend the real cash to speed them up or just earn it the hard way like I'm doing. I'm finding it a quite a bit harder to get while soloing and only marginally better while squading because 99.99% of the people I try to squad with don't or won't aquire the friggin' beacons. Sorry, Pixonic. You already got $50 out of me in the last 3 months. Maybe later. I'll just keep slogging it out for now.

You hit the point already in the previous post - the maths doesn't add up with the new system, neither to encourage capping, nor to incentivise people staying to the end.

They took away the real carrot to stay that came in the form of +ve points for top players on losing team and mathematically, win or lose it is still better to go all out for damage than to chase beacons. Here is the logic:

- assume MM system is designed to trend you towards 50% win rate and it works (big assumption and this is where the problem really lies) 
- it follows then that no single player can with certainty control the result of an individual game through their actions
- assume people care about what league they are in and in general want to advance up
- assume the player can on average influence their damage score in an individual game (bot selection, weapon choice, choice to chase beacons or go all out attack, etc)

So in the long run you should expect 1 lost match for every 1 win, but you have some element of control over where you rank in your team.

The expected net points from each win:lose pair depending on average place within team:

1st: +6
2nd: +2
3rd: 0
4th: 0
5th: -2
6th: -6

So in order to advance up the leagues the optimal solution is still to focus on damage and try never to finish below 4th on average.

So it doesn't logically encourage capping beacons, it just slows down the ability of good players that originally mismatched into lower leagues to move up and makes the progress up leagues a volatile, slow, frustrating random walk instead of a steady, consistent process that would nauturally fade once players reached their natural optimal league. This change is just too early as we didn't get to equilibrium yet.

On the other point it doesn't really encourage squad play either since if we all played in squads of 6 all games we would all average zero in the long run (assuming 50:50 win lose ratio) - this is the same as the previous points system. Because of inefficiencies in the MM system squad play allows a set of good players to improve their win rate above 50%

Winning is already incentivised with gold, beacon capping is incentivised with gold and, as a bonus, squad play is incentivised with, you guessed it, gold!

You need more incentives? Here's an idea, increase the gold reward for beacons to 10, add a gold award for second place beacons collected.

Want a better idea? Think gold is not enough? Change the name of damage points to "contribution points' and give these points for beacons capped also, 1 beacon =100k damage. Capture 5 beacons, get 500k contribution points and all of a sudden running a squad of stalkers to capture beacons can earn as much silver as a trident Fury.

The reason some players are doing stupid stuff is not because of league incentives, it's because they are stupid. They were doing it before the league system and they will be doing it forever more. I like the idea of matching players with similar skill levels and with some tweaks, the league system should be a way of categorising us. The biggest problem I see though is that that is not happening: I am in Master 1, if the MM system consistently gave me a squad of players from Master league / lower champion / upper expert it would be fine, but when I get saddled with half a team of gold / diamond guys firing zenits at nothing and running around in circles and getting torn to pieces by a red team squad of champions league guys on discord it is not very motivating to get stuck with -12 points.

I figure you are speaking as someone with a maxed out hangar.....

For me the new league system has had a major negative impact on the clan. It does not encourage c lan squading but rather now DISCOURAGES it.

Why, since clan members play different amounts of time, they are in different leagues, mostly because of their play time not due to their bot levels.

Before, we spent a lot of time tuning our hangars to all be at the same level, when we squad we put on the squading hangar, when no one around to squad with, we put on another hangar. 

Now that is finished. Now when we squad we all play according to the highest level regardless of the bots you play. So everybody is fustrated. The diamond player feels he has no support and the silver player feels totally out-gunned........................ So we squad very little now.

I do not see a solution. I (many of us) cannot play 4 hours a day to put my level at the diamond player's, and will not tell the diamond player to stop playing! It is not a hangar issue anymore, for me it is a playing time issue.

If anyone has a solution I am very eager to hear it cause now the new league system has killed clan squading as far as I am concerened.

katts

Afraid my hanger is actually quite average, best bots being two 7 Nats and one 7 Griffin. The ten other bots are 6 or less. Best weapons are two Trebs at 8, two Tarans at 8, 3 Magnums at 7. The rest of my equipment is 6 or less and quite lean. Sub-par compared to many of the whiners and criers.

Hello. I register in the forum just to say how bad is my experience with the new league points and matching system.

I used to play a lot this game, and love it, but the recent changes have no sense. My winning ratio a couple of weeks ago was about 80%...



Now I´m always 45-55% =( . I see a lot of teammates that leave the games or don´t capture the beacons, so I can´t win the match (and loose points, even if I´m the top player of the loser team).

Please return the previous score system. I´m tired of go up and down and up again in the leagues. I´t appears that the matching and point scheme is made for intentionally keep you in a 50/50 ratio and in the same league. Or implement some penalty to people leaving matches, of something... because It´s not fun anymore.

I understand this is a team game, but the current system is unfair. You can be the best player in the game but if you have bad luck with your team you are going done... Is more like a casino than a skill game.

Thanks.

Well, I think that they should keep the points that gave the first and second place in the games when their team was defeated, because honestly many times the team is not good and only some strive to do damage and capture beacons while the Others have no strategy or do not know how to play, I have even seen several who are engaged in annoying their partners and neither attack nor capture beacons only shoot their own teammates to attract attention or annoy and that is like having a member Less or, in the case of the disconnections, because that no longer depends on anyone and when it happens, there is already disadvantage from the beginning and although the whole team is trying because the possibilities are greatly reduced, so I insist should give points to the first and Second place even if they lose the game ...

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I had a recent game where it only placed 2 players in blue vs 5 in red. That wasn't a good use of time. I also won a game where it looked like full sides, but there was very little activity and when the scores came up more than half the players in the game had zero damage & beacons... so it was basically a 3 on 2.

Was this on either Springfield or Yamantau? I've had lots of battles, especially on SF, where most players don't bother dropping in.

I like the current MM, I think the battles are more even, many times was sure we would lose and at the last second we pull out a win, but the League point system blows. I fight hard and take beacons, I consider myself a well balanced fighter. I clawed my way up to Master League, but then they changed the point system and I no longer want to play with my clan mates for fear of losing because they are not at my lvl. I get matched with inferior players or ppl who bail costing us the match, I am now penalized for taking the top spot sometimes for both damage and beacons, but losing. This is in no way a reflection on my playing abilities, but it feels like it is. Is there a reason they can't keep the matchmaker the way it is but lose the league points? It's getting to the point where I don't want to play because I might get put with ppl who don't give a 「dookie」 or just have no concept of what it takes to win or are so far below the hanger needed they are quickly vanquished, and I am dropped in league points as a result. 

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