League System Info (UPDATED 3/7/2017)

Oh, I have a few of these too... Here I did five times the damage of the last guy on the winning time, and twice the kills. I think it is OK we lost, if you look at the damage from the first 3 players each side, they definitely did better. But I did not deserve to have 24 league points less than Mr. Star Destroyer75.




But my very favorite is this one (and we won, so I cannot be accused to be bitter about it):




Poor Panzer killed 9 of ours, and did almost as much damage as the last three of our team together. And four times the damage of our last.

I think the league point system, right now, is unbalanced. Perhaps it was before too, I'm fine if they think the 1st two losers were getting too much reward. but they went too far. I read comments like "well in real life losers don't get anything so why should them here"... aside from the fact that, you know, in real life you don't drive gigantic armored bipedal robots shooting rockets at your peers either, but nobody seems to have issues with that... Victory already has very substantial rewards: it is the way you get gold, and you get more silver too. The league system is not a reward system (although it does produce bragging rights of course): it is a performance gauge system with the purpose of choosing your opponents. As such, it should correctly account for your performance. Panzer performed A LOT better than Lowey Gunz. Your capability of being a team player is important, so whether your team won or lost should be in the equation too. But the fact that Panzer's performance estimation goes down after a match like this is just wrong.

You might be right... but he did also get as many beacons (and more kills) as the the bottom three winners together. So I stand my case:  the loss might have been (partly) his fault because he did not cap enough. He still did way more than any of the bottom three winners. Two of them capped zero beacons. The third one capped as many (or as few) as Panzer, but made 1/4 of the damage and 1/9 of the kills.

Plus, beacon capping stats depend on the game of course. I don't recall that match now but perhaps he was not capping because he was suppressing the reds trying to kill the blues while they were going for center beacon. There is also the beacon capper fallacy of rushing to a beacon somebody else is capping already instead of trying to go where it is more useful.

I don't say that he should be crowned God of the Game and be carried in triumph through the city. But as much as his gameplay might have been lacking, it surely was not 24 points worse than Lowey Gunz's.

Huh? @heatencat, since you are not shouting at lorcann, and lorcann was discussing with me, I'm tempted to think that you are shouting at me. If so, man, you should get more used to people disagreeing with you, it happens to me all the time, and I have a long and consistent experience telling me that shouting at people and calling them names is very ineffective at making them wrong, but works quite well at making me look a bit stupid.
You see, I'm afraid I'm no whiner, my eyes are quite dry, and still, I think that the current point distribution is a bad idea. I have said above why, if you have something constructive and to the point to say about it, I'm listening.

Yes, but if teammates aren't doing enough damage, then they aren't going to be able to suppress the enemy's advance, are they? This is a somewhat essential part of being able to claim a piece of territory. 

I've seen this too. I'm in Diamond I and I've been in many battles with Expert, Master, and Champion level players.

ha1lstate
You may have better luck in the Clans sub-forum.

ha1lstate

This ought to be the link to the sub-board

war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/board/6/clans

Once ine the best of 5 for silver, down to bronze 3, i am now in bronze 1. The thing is, when i hit b1, i get like 5-6 pts for a win and minus 1 or 2 for a loss... but sometime, i can loose all my points and it's pretty random.
Can someone explain (or link me to an explanation) how this works?

Thanks a lot

So, I'm mostly in agreement with people here, that the league system is goofy as a reward system and an MM. I've already stated my feelings before the update and while I think it's better now, it still has issues. Before the update, because the top 2 on the losing team still earned league points, I think people were so focused on damage that they forgot to try and win. I like to focus more on getting beacons (which usually means less on damage), so I got the shaft a lot. Now I think people try to win more instead of just doing damage. Because they upped the point losses/gains, though, people are still getting shafted when half their team is awful or quitting. I've also been in with guys well above my league, which I sort of get, since there may not be enough in my league at any given moment to fill out a 12-man game. However, I'd be willing to wait longer to get a more balanced game. I also wouldn't mind 5v5 or 4v4 in those instances. What do y'all think?

I'm figuring that the MM is based on your league levels within a squad. I've said this before but I'm not having the problems soloing like ya'll are describing with the matchmaking system. 1-2 league levels of difference between highest and lowest player isn't at all unfair. I've been squading with players up to two tiers from my own either way and it's still working just fine for me thus far. No different than soloing at all. I only run into problems squading with players higher than 2 tiers from me. At that point nearly every opposing player is at the level of the highest member of my squad. No Bueno.

What equipment those players have in the matches probably does affect the matches, but that is probably supposed to happen to intice players to buy the gold and upgrade their own bots and weapons. You're not going to compete well in your 6/6 bots with players sporting 8/8 or better. I'm not even upset with seeing 12/12 bots in matches with 6/6 players. Someone spent some bucks. More power to them. The developers are trying to make a buck after all and I have absolutely no reason to b*tch about that. And I really don't see why others think they do. Everyone wants to be compensated for their efforts and the developers deserve theirs. This game is awesome. Name another that actually compares? Anyone? Because I've played nearly every mech and robot game out there. This one's the shiz. But games also evolve and it seems to me this one has done so at least twice? And everytime it happens people have b*tched about it. If games don't evolve then players simply lose interest. I'll bet you dollars to donuts the developers were seeing a decline in usage and gold sales and are trying to get interest rekindled back to those higher numbers. They're not going to just keep catering to a dwindling player base. Not going to happen. Just be thankful there is still enough interest in it thus far to keep the developers from just dropping it.

Good for you. People who actually want at least a remotely fair game might though. The devs might care as well, because guess what? When people get frustrated they stop playing, and Pix ends up losing money, so maybe addressing the concerns people have might do more good for everyone than just cheerleading the game, because in the end the games that get too greedy tend to be the ones that end up losing money fastest. 

Yeah, but see, getting my lv 7 hanger thrown into fights against people with Lv 10-12 hangers does nothing but imbue me with a very strong desire to not reward this company with my hard-earned dollars. If they are going to deliberately make my game as difficult as possible to play without paying, then I want nothing more than to not pay them out of pure spite. 
 
FTP can be done right. It has been done right, and I have no problem whatsoever with spending money on a game that does it right. I have sunk hundreds of dollars into some MMOs for cosmetic items for my characters, but as a general rule, I will never, ever pay for the privilege of speeding up an upgrade or a weapon that gives me a clear advantage over those that don't pay. People who do that haven't earned their wins, and all they do is reward bad behavior on the part of the publisher, and throwing players into matches where they are grossly outclassed in hanger level is pretty bloody bad.
 
I love this game, and I think it has a tremendous amount of potential, potential I'd rather not see squandered by naked greed. If the publishers want more money, let them make more skins and customization options instead of trying to pressure players to spend ridiculous amounts of money to speed up upgrades. 

Oh yeah, this.

If pixonic really wanted to monetize from paintjobs:

a) they'd actually make martial paintjobs (mimetic, urban combat, jungle... think MechWarrior... well, if you are old enough, that is)

b) they would have a sure way to: 5$ or 5.000 gold to be able to put a visible clan patch on a single specific bot. 

c) down the road, custom made paintjobs, again tied to clans, again 5$ or 5.000 gold per each paintjob usable on a single specific bot.

b & c would need some effort for the approval process, but would bring in truckloads of money without having an actual impact on the game engine and battle results, kind of a win-win for all.