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Post by coga89 on Feb 19, 2017 15:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by blognio on Feb 19, 2017 15:52:19 GMT -5
fifth slot, fifth slot, fifth slot. I bought fifth slot and then went for galahad
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Post by Blurred Vision on Feb 19, 2017 15:58:01 GMT -5
Slots before bots, as the saying goes. Galahad is great, don't get me wrong, but unlock that 5th slot first.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Feb 19, 2017 16:29:31 GMT -5
Yep - lasting longer in the fight = more damage done and a better chance of a win. A whole extra bot does this better than an improvement to a single bot.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 19, 2017 16:49:19 GMT -5
fifth slot, fifth slot, fifth slot. I bought fifth slot and then went for galahad This, this, so this. But then buy a Gareth. ?
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Post by suntron on Feb 19, 2017 16:59:35 GMT -5
I see 5th bot is key for going to the top but with the new match making it might be worth getting the bots and weapon you want to take there first. Otherwise you buy and upgrade stuff you will throw away. Before you needed to evenly upgrade and were penalised for taking bots too high but now you can have galahad plus get 2 Orkans and upgrade to 12 with no penalty. Then get 5th slot. Plus it is way more fun to have new bots:-)
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Post by [apotheosis] on Feb 19, 2017 17:12:32 GMT -5
Even with the new MM 5th slot is still priority to me. If you are thinking long term silver is a huge requirments. Even in poor MM matches having one more bot will net you more rewards.
Slots before bots still holds true and no matter how strong the temptation is you will not regret the 5th slot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:29:52 GMT -5
5th slot,no question
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:36:20 GMT -5
5th slot, 2 Orkans, Galahad, 2 Orkans, 4 Aphids / Fury, Lancelot / Ancile. In that order.
Once you get that Galahad, replace the Plasma Griffin and add in a Orkan Pinata Griffin
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 19, 2017 21:38:26 GMT -5
5th slot. Then for zero outlay, look in the old garage and pull out the best bot in there that didn't make the cut for your 4th spot on the lineup. Free extra damage and staying power! No fuss no muss!
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Post by moody on Feb 19, 2017 23:32:53 GMT -5
5th slot, 2 Orkans, Galahad, 2 Orkans, 4 Aphids / Fury, Lancelot / Ancile. In that order. Once you get that Galahad, replace the Plasma Griffin and add in a Orkan Pinata Griffin I stuffed up the order and still don't have the 4th Aphid, Fury or Ancile. But I totally agree.
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Post by coga89 on Feb 19, 2017 23:56:40 GMT -5
Thank you guys
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Post by Deadalready on Feb 20, 2017 1:59:32 GMT -5
5th slot without a doubt.
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Post by suntron on Feb 20, 2017 4:33:57 GMT -5
Even with the new MM 5th slot is still priority to me. If you are thinking long term silver is a huge requirments. Even in poor MM matches having one more bot will net you more rewards. Slots before bots still holds true and no matter how strong the temptation is you will not regret the 5th slot. I do see your point but if you are spending that silver on weapons or bot you are throwing away when you get Orkans then it is wasted?
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Post by K A Z on Feb 20, 2017 4:43:35 GMT -5
There is a question that could be considered an answer here: what is better 1 Fury/Lance or 2 Griffins/Leos/Tashas/etc? Cheers
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Post by B30RLL on Feb 20, 2017 5:14:02 GMT -5
There is a question that could be considered an answer here: what is better 1 Fury/Lance or 2 Griffins/Leos/Tashas/etc? Cheers IMO, fury/lance vs other Ag heavies cannot be compared apples-to-apples because they serve different purpose in your hangar. And this brings back to why you need that extra slot = so that you can balance good mix of cappers, brawlers, and mid-range. If you play solo at all (which I believe is the case for most players), having a balanced hangar is important.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 20, 2017 6:55:37 GMT -5
There is a question that could be considered an answer here: what is better 1 Fury/Lance or 2 Griffins/Leos/Tashas/etc? Cheers IMO, fury/lance vs other Ag heavies cannot be compared apples-to-apples because they serve different purpose in your hangar. And this brings back to why you need that extra slot = so that you can balance good mix of cappers, brawlers, and mid-range. If you play solo at all (which I believe is the case for most players), having a balanced hangar is important. Also true. On my end it was a simplification - think of it as if you had other 3 spots fixed and question boils down to having either 2 (4&5th) slightly inferior bots or 1 top (4th). Having more diversity in the hangar is a benefit above that.
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Post by youngchen on Feb 20, 2017 8:01:25 GMT -5
You'll almost never get a different answer than "5th slot first!" But I know there's at least a couple of us around to offer the alternative. From a simple investment point of view, it's a massive waste of silver to buy up your 5 and stock em with 'inferior' bots. Personally I never saw carrying any of the ag bots outside of grif up to the top. But to remain competitive you'll have to dump quite a lot into them. Secondly, most people on this forum do not have the experience to tell you otherwise. I spent my first month going between accounts, and never saw the rate of success with trying to run more bots over some better ones. Now to my knowledge theres no example/study for it, but I'm sure if you start making a habit to check, you'll be able to see the difference between the players topping your team. I haven't seen people with 5 slots dominating the team. Ever. But hey, it's a solid theory, you open up more to toss more out you oughta see a more damage and playtime. But the game is really all about gold. And with all the changes to mm past present and future, I haven't had any difficulty playing because I invested in quality over quantity. Gotta remember, a lot of people been following the golden rule and now the forum is filled with complaints. A silver hanger simply isn't going to adapt and survive. Out of all the gold bots, rogatka is the only one arguably irrelevant now. Simple math, gold bot/weps investments last, silver ones don't.
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Post by mechtout on Feb 20, 2017 8:10:14 GMT -5
Imo get 5 griffins until you can afford shield bots. All those upgraded weapons will transfer over. I'd grab a couple of orkans before bots too.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 20, 2017 8:53:05 GMT -5
I'm sure if you start making a habit to check, you'll be able to see the difference between the players topping your team. Solid advice. I haven't seen people with 5 slots dominating the team. Ever. Obviously this guy plays in different matches than I do! One additional thing you could do is add up the total number of hangar slots on the winning team vs those on the losing team. I'm confident a pattern will emerge that may help guide your decision.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 20, 2017 9:06:53 GMT -5
I do see your point but if you are spending that silver on weapons or bot you are throwing away when you get Orkans then it is wasted? I was able to afford a 5th slot before I had time to level my weapons up to level 6, so not a lot of silver involved up to the point where you start buying orkans and such. What I found was that I was gradually replacing Boas and Golems (with only 2-3 weapons) with bots carrying 3-4 weapons (Galahads, Griffins, and Rhinos) so I wound up needing every one of those non-Au plasmas, pins, and tulumbas for my bigger bots anyway. The only weapons I upgraded early that are now collecting dust were ECC Thunders (4 of them for 2 Boas, a Golem and a Vit) - but I only upgraded 2 of them (in anticipation of an eventual Carnage) and I'm still using the heck out of my tarans, magnums, and mid-range splash. You'll probably also want more than the minimum 5 sets of weapons in order to adapt to buffs/nerfs and the changing meta that results. All in all, I don't think I wasted any Ag at all from filling 5 slots with non-Au bots and weapons unless you count the 3 light and 4 medium bots I used along the way (shifting to mediums while still at 3 slots and to mediums/heavies as soon as I had a 5th slot).
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Post by mechtout on Feb 20, 2017 9:08:16 GMT -5
Must not remember all the db griffs and rhinos that melt away his shield bots either
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 20, 2017 9:18:21 GMT -5
Just think of it this way....you've got to spend the 5k gold for it eventually. There's a reason it is that much, because it is a huge asset! You're at least half way there already anyway, just stay patient and commit to it and then its done with.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Feb 20, 2017 9:39:03 GMT -5
I haven't seen people with 5 4 slots dominating the team. Ever. Corrected based on my experience...
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 20, 2017 12:37:21 GMT -5
You'll almost never get a different answer than "5th slot first!" But I know there's at least a couple of us around to offer the alternative. From a simple investment point of view, it's a massive waste of silver to buy up your 5 and stock em with 'inferior' bots. Personally I never saw carrying any of the ag bots outside of grif up to the top. But to remain competitive you'll have to dump quite a lot into them. Secondly, most people on this forum do not have the experience to tell you otherwise. I spent my first month going between accounts, and never saw the rate of success with trying to run more bots over some better ones. Now to my knowledge theres no example/study for it, but I'm sure if you start making a habit to check, you'll be able to see the difference between the players topping your team. I haven't seen people with 5 slots dominating the team. Ever. But hey, it's a solid theory, you open up more to toss more out you oughta see a more damage and playtime. But the game is really all about gold. And with all the changes to mm past present and future, I haven't had any difficulty playing because I invested in quality over quantity. Gotta remember, a lot of people been following the golden rule and now the forum is filled with complaints. A silver hanger simply isn't going to adapt and survive. Out of all the gold bots, rogatka is the only one arguably irrelevant now. Simple math, gold bot/weps investments last, silver ones don't. For the truly gold limited player out there, you can do quite well into top tier without spending Au and saving it just for the fifth slot. You can run a solid silver hangar of Griffins, Rhinos, and Carnages with nearly no Au output. All of those bots can play in top tier and if you ever get more Au you can slowly replace one for one with shield bots and a fury. Here is a straight no-bones potentially top tier hangar with minimal Au output. Carnage w/ Tridents Carnage w/ Thunders RDB Griffin PDB Griffin DB Griffin/Rhino (Au outlay for Orkans, Punishers till you get Orkans) Optional: PDB Griffin/Rhino for RDB Griffin OR Carnage w/ Thunders Is this the best top tier hangar you can do... no. You'll arguably be outclassed a bit in all versions as you don't have any Au weapons. Can it work in top tier... yes. You won't be a huge liability to your teammates and the Griffins, Carnages, and Rhinos can hack it. Will you replace those bots... eventually, but you actually don't have too. After the fifth slot you will have to get 2 Orkans (best 4) and possibly a set of Aphids (maybe 4) and then it'll only be the cool bots from then on. Beauty of the Tridents (replace the Carnage with a Fury), replace the Orkan user with a Thunder Orkan Lancelot (and remove the other Carnage and redeploy a RDB Griffin), etc. I've seen plenty of top tier hangars that are all Griffin or 3 Griffin 1 Lance, 1 Fury, or etc. Griffins, Carnages, and Rhinos can work as a backbone. Replace as time goes on with all weapons being transferred to stronger bots over time. Dejnov.
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Post by youngchen on Feb 20, 2017 15:29:03 GMT -5
That seems to be the sole reason for recommending the 5th slot. It only comes into play once you're running in TT. There is no "added" variety and damage when you can run 4 slots until you've got everything upgraded. I'm willing to bet all of you running your wsp/ag hangers outside of TT aren't using 4-5 bots most battles. And if you are... it's probably because a weaker hanger requires that quantity over quality. You aren't ever going to get your siler back from trying to push a full wsp/ag hanger to 12/12. That's a waste. As you can see, people running their hypothetical hangers and counter point of "welllll its possible, yes you cannnn" aren't looking at the huge amount of time and silver it takes. Look man, its not a question of whether you need the 5th slot, its usefull at the top. Otherwise you just aren't gonna be using it. If you wanna run all these wsp/ag builds and spend time and silver upgrading just to get beat anyways go for it. Galahad is gonna last you to the top, and is easily worth 2-3 bots alone itself. Forget all the noise, gold is secure, 5th slot, isn't even relevent if you aren't maxed.
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Post by moody on Feb 20, 2017 16:56:03 GMT -5
That seems to be the sole reason for recommending the 5th slot. It only comes into play once you're running in TT. There is no "added" variety and damage when you can run 4 slots until you've got everything upgraded. I'm willing to bet all of you running your wsp/ag hangers outside of TT aren't using 4-5 bots most battles. And if you are... it's probably because a weaker hanger requires that quantity over quality. You aren't ever going to get your siler back from trying to push a full wsp/ag hanger to 12/12. That's a waste. As you can see, people running their hypothetical hangers and counter point of "welllll its possible, yes you cannnn" aren't looking at the huge amount of time and silver it takes. Look man, its not a question of whether you need the 5th slot, its usefull at the top. Otherwise you just aren't gonna be using it. If you wanna run all these wsp/ag builds and spend time and silver upgrading just to get beat anyways go for it. Galahad is gonna last you to the top, and is easily worth 2-3 bots alone itself. Forget all the noise, gold is secure, 5th slot, isn't even relevent if you aren't maxed. I don't know what games you are playing. I would get to my 5th bot in 2 out of 3 games. I am not even close to top tier (8/9) with a lot of gold bots, 4 orkans, 3 aphids etc, lance, 2 galahads. I have gone through high qty's of bots since I was playing bronze and low silver (4/6 mediums). It has gotten worse since the new matchmaker. In a given game I can have two or three bots totaled with no contact with the enemy.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 20, 2017 17:36:39 GMT -5
5th slot, 2 Orkans, Galahad, 2 Orkans, 4 Aphids / Fury, Lancelot / Ancile. In that order. Once you get that Galahad, replace the Plasma Griffin and add in a Orkan Pinata Griffin Good list but with x4 Orkans on your list I'd get the Lanc and the Ancile was before the Fury. You have to level up three tridents before the Fury becomes really useful and Lance is more fun. Get a lvl 1 Carnage, never rush and level up two Tridents to work out if that type of play and weapon suits you before buying a Fury. I have one and it's permanently in the garage.
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 20, 2017 17:56:46 GMT -5
That seems to be the sole reason for recommending the 5th slot. It only comes into play once you're running in TT. There is no "added" variety and damage when you can run 4 slots until you've got everything upgraded. I'm willing to bet all of you running your wsp/ag hangers outside of TT aren't using 4-5 bots most battles. And if you are... it's probably because a weaker hanger requires that quantity over quality. You aren't ever going to get your siler back from trying to push a full wsp/ag hanger to 12/12. That's a waste. As you can see, people running their hypothetical hangers and counter point of "welllll its possible, yes you cannnn" aren't looking at the huge amount of time and silver it takes. Look man, its not a question of whether you need the 5th slot, its usefull at the top. Otherwise you just aren't gonna be using it. If you wanna run all these wsp/ag builds and spend time and silver upgrading just to get beat anyways go for it. Galahad is gonna last you to the top, and is easily worth 2-3 bots alone itself. Forget all the noise, gold is secure, 5th slot, isn't even relevent if you aren't maxed. For background, I'm currently 7.6 bot/weapon, average 250k -380k (depending on if I'm winning or losing), and I can maintain a win rate of 60-70% pretty consistently. So I can currently bounce from top tier to mid-gold on a standard day. I can bounce from just running 3 mechs all battle to being meched out (with 5 hangar slots) and still 2-3 minutes on the bar. When I only need 3 mechs it's usually against peer bots (7-9s) and when I'm meched out it's around near top tier (with at least a single 12/12 5 bot hangar on both sides) and a bunch of 10-11s everywhere else. It's a good day when I'm not on the bottom of either side. I've hacked it with the big boys!!! My win rate though is fairly consistent across both pools. In the lower tier games I win gold nearly every match; in the higher tier games I never win gold, but I don't see a huge drop in the number of times I win. What this means is that I am contributing correctly for the top tier pool. I just don't have bot/weapon level to guarantee being in the higher portion and solidly winning gold. You can do that also with nearly an all Ag hangar with some very well placed Au purchases (cough.. Orkans... cough) and solid Ag bots. When we first saw the role out of the new match maker, I was super excited. I had never seen top tier hangars in play before. I wrote out these hangars all the time as I FINALLY could see what they were running. And what I saw was a bit of a surprise... sure there were the obligatory Galahad, Lancelot, Fury, etc. hangars... but there were a lot of Griffin Rhino hangars also. I even saw a couple full 5 hangars with all Griffins and some with Griffin/Rhino setups. Also there were a lot of Griff/Rhino hangars with 1 Lance or 1 Fury. They worked just fine... some of those all Griffin hangars also had skins for every Griffin. There are players who play 5 Griffin hangars... (example 2 DBs, 1 RDB, and 2 PDBs) and are fine with that. That only takes about 5k Au for the Orkans (cough... buy Orkans... cough). Same thing with the Griff/Rhino hangars... mix of Griffins/Rhinos with some DBs, RDBs, and PDBs mixed up in there (cough... really really buy Orkans... cough). If they wanted range some would run the Trident Carnage. Do they have the obligatory I can do everything TT hangar... no they are a bit specialized, but it STILL works. And they aren't skimping on the knife fighting. If anything, they tend to de-focus on range as it costs gold for that Fury to play MRS. Now that I see TT hangars regularly (at least once a day), I can re-affirm that Galahads, Furies, and Lancelots show up in TT hangars consistently, but so do Griffins, Rhinos, and Carnages (less Rhinos and Carnages, but a decent number of Griffins). There is staying power in that Griffin and you won't feel outgunned in a Rhino/Carnage. You can do a lot with just 10k Au (1k for the 4th slot, 5k for the 5th slot, and 4 Orkans). Will you have that sexy hangar... probably not... but it will work. Dejnov. P.S. Sexy don't count for crap on the battle-field... we're not trying to get laid here... we're trying to blow some Red bots sky high!! Focus soldier! Focus! =)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:05:25 GMT -5
5th slot, 2 Orkans, Galahad, 2 Orkans, 4 Aphids / Fury, Lancelot / Ancile. In that order. Once you get that Galahad, replace the Plasma Griffin and add in a Orkan Pinata Griffin Good list but with x4 Orkans on your list I'd get the Lanc and the Ancile was before the Fury. You have to level up three tridents before the Fury becomes really useful and Lance is more fun. Get a lvl 1 Carnage, never rush and level up two Tridents to work out if that type of play and weapon suits you before buying a Fury. I have one and it's permanently in the garage. A Lancelot is more fun, but a Fury is more useful. For a Fury, upgrading and buying 3 tridents is not as hard as leveling and Ancile and 2 Orkans / Tarans.
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