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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Feb 20, 2017 18:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 20, 2017 18:22:48 GMT -5
Guess the old 'should i get the 5th slot or...' question never gets old It's because it hurts... and everyone wants a freebie, easy way out of the pain... Earn your stripes I say. Dejnov. |
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 20, 2017 18:27:26 GMT -5
You want a top tier hangar... You can’t handle a top tier hangar! …Son, we live in a world that has beacons, and those beacons have to be guarded by bots with plasma guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for baby seals, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That those seals' deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that beacon, you need me on that beacon. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and drop a bot on the battlefield. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:36:30 GMT -5
You want a top tier hangar... You can’t handle a top tier hangar! …Son, we live in a world that has beacons, and those beacons have to be guarded by bots with plasma guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for baby seals, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That those seals' deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that beacon, you need me on that beacon. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and drop a bot on the battlefield. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Dejnov Those beacons have to be captured and held with trident fire. |
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Post by launchpad on Feb 21, 2017 5:13:39 GMT -5
Well, the simple approach will be "how often you running out of bot in a battle?"
If your bot easily killed, what is the best way to prevent that? Upgrade bot and weapons, get a better bot, or get more bots?
As a competitor of course I loved seeing you spent your hard earned gold to something you probably never use anyway. Lol. I'll even make it rule of thumb maybe...
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 21, 2017 6:12:32 GMT -5
You'll almost never get a different answer than "5th slot first!" But I know there's at least a couple of us around to offer the alternative. From a simple investment point of view, it's a massive waste of silver to buy up your 5 and stock em with 'inferior' bots. Personally I never saw carrying any of the ag bots outside of grif up to the top. So better suck now for half a year? In the grand scheme of things, a bit AG and upgrade time doesn't hurt. To get a hangar even to 10/10 you'll need a few hundred millions of silver and almost half a year. A 6/6 Thunder Pinata Leo or RDB Griff costs what, 3 million and 2 days upgrade time? |
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 21, 2017 6:14:02 GMT -5
That seems to be the sole reason for recommending the 5th slot. It only comes into play once you're running in TT. There is no "added" variety and damage when you can run 4 slots until you've got everything upgraded. Jesus. For your sake I'll assume that you are new to the forum. Let's just say 95% of the guys here disagree wholeheartedly. |
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 21, 2017 6:28:00 GMT -5
Well, the simple approach will be "how often you running out of bot in a battle?" If your bot easily killed, what is the best way to prevent that? Upgrade bot and weapons, get a better bot, or get more bots? As a competitor of course I loved seeing you spent your hard earned gold to something you probably never use anyway. Lol. I'll even make it rule of thumb maybe... Wrong questions. First question is "what added variety does that 5th slot give"? I use all my 5 robots, and the order depends completely on the circumstances, and the map. I meet Anciles? Get that Plasma Griff or Plasmahad. I meet shield bots? Good that I have at least 2 splash robots to choose with different ranges (Orkan/PInata/Trident). I see unshielded plasma or gun robots? I rejoice and spawn a Galahad. I need speed? Get a Galahad, Carnage or Stalker. I'm pestered by midrange Trident Furys? Get that Zeus or Trident Carnage, or Nashorn Natasha if you're lacking gold/WSPs. I play Springfield or Canyon? If we can hold 3 beacons initially, I'll spawn that Trident robot (Fury if you have it, but Carnage or Natasha will do fine). If we can't, I'll spawn a robot that can go after that 3rd beacon. Second question may be "why do you hardly ever use that last robot?", if that is the case for you. Answer: You're not playing agressively enough. |
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Post by launchpad on Feb 21, 2017 7:42:59 GMT -5
Well, the simple approach will be "how often you running out of bot in a battle?" If your bot easily killed, what is the best way to prevent that? Upgrade bot and weapons, get a better bot, or get more bots? As a competitor of course I loved seeing you spent your hard earned gold to something you probably never use anyway. Lol. I'll even make it rule of thumb maybe... Wrong questions. First question is "what added variety does that 5th slot give"? I use all my 5 robots, and the order depends completely on the circumstances, and the map. I meet Anciles? Get that Plasma Griff or Plasmahad. I meet shield bots? Good that I have at least 2 splash robots to choose with different ranges (Orkan/PInata/Trident). I see unshielded plasma or gun robots? I rejoice and spawn a Galahad. I need speed? Get a Galahad, Carnage or Stalker. I'm pestered by midrange Trident Furys? Get that Zeus or Trident Carnage, or Nashorn Natasha if you're lacking gold/WSPs. I play Springfield or Canyon? If we can hold 3 beacons initially, I'll spawn that Trident robot (Fury if you have it, but Carnage or Natasha will do fine). If we can't, I'll spawn a robot that can go after that 3rd beacon. Second question may be "why do you hardly ever use that last robot?", if that is the case for you. Answer: You're not playing agressively enough. So you have variety of bots. Congrats! You showed what use of 5th hangar. You didn't actually answer the queries which one needed FIRST, a premium bot or 5th hangar. You are busy showing off your knowlede of tactical skill in war robots. How to counter this, how to face that. And since you were saying I'm not playing aggresively enough, I wonder the qualities of those bots and how you really play. You know the thoeries, but you still destroyed easily thus needed more bots? Nice joke by the way. Lol |
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Post by ewing411 on Feb 21, 2017 13:15:05 GMT -5
reduntant post
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Post by carnage on Feb 22, 2017 10:05:14 GMT -5
You'll almost never get a different answer than "5th slot first!" But I know there's at least a couple of us around to offer the alternative. From a simple investment point of view, it's a massive waste of silver to buy up your 5 and stock em with 'inferior' bots. Personally I never saw carrying any of the ag bots outside of grif up to the top. But to remain competitive you'll have to dump quite a lot into them. Secondly, most people on this forum do not have the experience to tell you otherwise. I spent my first month going between accounts, and never saw the rate of success with trying to run more bots over some better ones. Now to my knowledge theres no example/study for it, but I'm sure if you start making a habit to check, you'll be able to see the difference between the players topping your team. I haven't seen people with 5 slots dominating the team. Ever. But hey, it's a solid theory, you open up more to toss more out you oughta see a more damage and playtime. But the game is really all about gold. And with all the changes to mm past present and future, I haven't had any difficulty playing because I invested in quality over quantity. Gotta remember, a lot of people been following the golden rule and now the forum is filled with complaints. A silver hanger simply isn't going to adapt and survive. Out of all the gold bots, rogatka is the only one arguably irrelevant now. Simple math, gold bot/weps investments last, silver ones don't. This.
And I will give another perspective.
I am in middle tier right now, and Gareth is seriously dominating there (a bit like the Guepard/Mags at entry levels in the past). Fast, extremely resistant thanks to a 200% shield (I have a Leo/Thunder/Pinata, I don't count how many time a Gareth went point range into my face and destroyed me... ridiculous), full firepower even when shielded (even a Rhino doesn't do that), Gareth is head and shoulders better than most bots they face at that level.
A guy who would buy quickly a Gareth would get a massive advantage over a player who would save gold for a long time trying to accumulate 5'000k. Now if you enjoy being demolished for three months which is the time it will take to get to 5k gold (that's 55 gold a day... so you better play EVERY day!), then do that and watch people who simply went with the Gareth have a massive advantage on you, accumulate gold much faster than you, and even get their 5th slot faster than you as a result.
In absolute, sure the 5th slot is a must. But it is a process to get there. Get your 4th slot, get a Gareth, put it serious weapons, and go for gold. This will help you being much more competitive fairly quickly, and will help you getting much more gold as a result.
1. 4th slot 2A. Gareth (can switch with 2B depending on situation) 2B. Weapons (Orkan, Taran...) 4. 5th slot 5. Galahad
I know it goes against the conventional thinking slots->weaps->bots, but from what I saw, if you focus only on slots without serious weapons to get there, you have a massive disadvantage versus players who would access quickly to a solid weaponry, use that weaponry to dominate you, and accumulate gold and victories before you can even touch the 5th slot.
I know I am in the minority here, but that's my opinion and observation.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 22, 2017 10:14:03 GMT -5
5th hangar is not going to raise your maximum much if you stuck 3 knifers and a mid range and just added another knifer. That 5th slot offers a lot of versatility, like a Gareth or Treb Butch or whatever you desire. I never really NEED a 5th bot, but it certainly helps the jumping from Dead City to Springfield to Power Plant and back to Yamantau etc
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Post by petevb on Feb 22, 2017 13:01:00 GMT -5
5th hangar is not going to raise your maximum much if you stuck 3 knifers and a mid range and just added another knifer. I think this statement says a lot about the way you use your bots, and may be part of the reason you haven't managed to increase your max damage to the level that would be expected given your levels and experience. Getting the most out of every bot is key to doing the most for your team. If you're not ending matches on your last bot you're leaving something on the table, and this theme comes repeatedly in different threads here (know when to ditch your range bot, etc). The key is that a 5th slot allows for a much more aggressive play style. With 4 slots (or bots that are map specific) a more conservative play-style is required, and that style (and the lower damage bots it often favors) is likely the reason some don't see there maximum increase. Use the 5th slot to allow a more attacking style, however, and you'll absolutely see numbers improve significantly. I've been on my last bot in every one of my best games, and it often makes an out sized contribution because the rest of the field is thinning out. I recently did some tests "playing down", and using all L6 and 7 silver bots, no gold weapons I was able to top my team on the second game I played. Given the choice there's no question I'd take the extra slot over a couple gold bots. |
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Post by RightOn on Feb 22, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -5
Versatility makes 5th slot indespensable
So as I was saying, 5th slot is not going to increase your numbers directly unless you bot out
I can rack up 1M in one bot... I did break 1M in TS all day. Live server is not just about damage...
With current matchmaking my opponents are losing waaay before I even get around to killing people.
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Post by Thump on Feb 22, 2017 14:21:45 GMT -5
5th hangar is not going to raise your maximum much if you stuck 3 knifers and a mid range and just added another knifer. I think this statement says a lot about the way you use your bots, and may be part of the reason you haven't managed to increase your max damage to the level that would be expected given your levels and experience. Getting the most out of every bot is key to doing the most for your team. If you're not ending matches on your last bot you're leaving something on the table, and this theme comes repeatedly in different threads here (know when to ditch your range bot, etc). The key is that a 5th slot allows for a much more aggressive play style. With 4 slots (or bots that are map specific) a more conservative play-style is required, and that style (and the lower damage bots it often favors) is likely the reason some don't see there maximum increase. Use the 5th slot to allow a more attacking style, however, and you'll absolutely see numbers improve significantly. I've been on my last bot in every one of my best games, and it often makes an out sized contribution because the rest of the field is thinning out. I recently did some tests "playing down", and using all L6 and 7 silver bots, Aladeen gold weapons I was able to top my team on the second game I played. Given the choice there's Aladeen question I'd take the extra slot over a couple gold bots. 5th slot all the way. IMO there is a nice financial return on the the ability to play more aggressively. I go harder for Shenzhen and Yama beacons with my Gareth because I know I have 4 slots remaining if I cap the beacon but still die. Many, did I say many, times I am rewarded with the 5 Gold Medal of Capture. I am sure other Blues don't go for center beacons because they only have 4 slots. I am often matched with/against stronger Blues and Reds 2-3 bot levels above me. I only occasionally in top 3 damage. I earn a lot more gold being aggressive for beacons and winning MoC. Frankly, other than the dailies, it is my primary source of gold. And I do use all my slots, pushing the win. It is very frustrating, watching the 8-10 minute mark countdown to a long close loss, and 4-5 squad mates still remain. I never go that long and lose, with bots remaining, even with 5 slots. They all die trying to win. And what the heck is Aldeen? lol |
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 22, 2017 16:51:17 GMT -5
i'd go with a fury or lancealot before slot 5. Focus on upgrading 4 slots to max and then get the fifth slot when you amass enough Au.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 17:06:35 GMT -5
@op - 5th slot without a doubt
I don't necessarily see the need for any gold bots, especially if Pix feels free to nerf them down to Ag performance level whenever it suits them. You can be very competitive with 5 Griffins.
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Post by gothopie on Feb 22, 2017 21:49:26 GMT -5
You'll almost never get a different answer than "5th slot first!" But I know there's at least a couple of us around to offer the alternative. From a simple investment point of view, it's a massive waste of silver to buy up your 5 and stock em with 'inferior' bots. Personally I never saw carrying any of the ag bots outside of grif up to the top. But to remain competitive you'll have to dump quite a lot into them. Secondly, most people on this forum do not have the experience to tell you otherwise. I spent my first month going between accounts, and never saw the rate of success with trying to run more bots over some better ones. Now to my knowledge theres no example/study for it, but I'm sure if you start making a habit to check, you'll be able to see the difference between the players topping your team. I haven't seen people with 5 slots dominating the team. Ever. But hey, it's a solid theory, you open up more to toss more out you oughta see a more damage and playtime. But the game is really all about gold. And with all the changes to mm past present and future, I haven't had any difficulty playing because I invested in quality over quantity. Gotta remember, a lot of people been following the golden rule and now the forum is filled with complaints. A silver hanger simply isn't going to adapt and survive. Out of all the gold bots, rogatka is the only one arguably irrelevant now. Simple math, gold bot/weps investments last, silver ones don't. This.
And I will give another perspective.
I am in middle tier right now, and Gareth is seriously dominating there (a bit like the Guepard/Mags at entry levels in the past). Fast, extremely resistant thanks to a 200% shield (I have a Leo/Thunder/Pinata, I don't count how many time a Gareth went point range into my face and destroyed me... ridiculous), full firepower even when shielded (even a Rhino doesn't do that), Gareth is head and shoulders better than most bots they face at that level.
A guy who would buy quickly a Gareth would get a massive advantage over a player who would save gold for a long time trying to accumulate 5'000k. Now if you enjoy being demolished for three months which is the time it will take to get to 5k gold (that's 55 gold a day... so you better play EVERY day!), then do that and watch people who simply went with the Gareth have a massive advantage on you, accumulate gold much faster than you, and even get their 5th slot faster than you as a result.
In absolute, sure the 5th slot is a must. But it is a process to get there. Get your 4th slot, get a Gareth, put it serious weapons, and go for gold. This will help you being much more competitive fairly quickly, and will help you getting much more gold as a result.
1. 4th slot 2A. Gareth (can switch with 2B depending on situation) 2B. Weapons (Orkan, Taran...) 4. 5th slot 5. Galahad
I know it goes against the conventional thinking slots->weaps->bots, but from what I saw, if you focus only on slots without serious weapons to get there, you have a massive disadvantage versus players who would access quickly to a solid weaponry, use that weaponry to dominate you, and accumulate gold and victories before you can even touch the 5th slot.
I know I am in the minority here, but that's my opinion and observation.
I'll speak very loudly on the importance of the 5th slot, however.... Gary... yeah, you do make a good argument. I got my first one about a week ago... I can totally see Gary being worth more than the 5th slot (well, I mean worth enough to delay by 1250 gold). He's one tough, fast, well armed bad 「bum-bum」. Sometimes he goes squish pretty fast under a lot of rockets... but oh man, if you can avoid those situations, he shines! I have a Galahad as well, very nice bot, but at twice the cost, definitely not worth delaying the 5th slot that long, not compared to the power Gary will bring to your hanger for 'cheap'. |
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Post by zombiecyborg on Feb 22, 2017 22:41:23 GMT -5
conventionnal wisdom says 5th slot first. However, fun factor and how much you play and your own personal objective in the game has to be taken into account as well. If you plan to go to the top in an active clan, slot first. If you play just on weekends to relax and have some fun, get the bot. Most pilots are in the middle of those two extremes so my advice is don't listen to others, do what you feel like is the right thing for you.
If you have time to play to at least complete your daily tasks, gold is not an issue for a long time....
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 23, 2017 22:33:58 GMT -5
There is no "added" variety and damage when you can run 4 slots until you've got everything upgraded. I'm willing to bet all of you running your wsp/ag hangers outside of TT aren't using 4-5 bots most battles. And if you are... it's probably because a weaker hanger requires that quantity over quality. Forget all the noise, gold is secure, 5th slot, isn't even relevent if you aren't maxed. I would like to take a moment and explain why this isn't necessarily the right angle to take on the matter. Based on my own experience, I would say that during most matches I never hit that 5th slot before the match ends. Whether it is a victory or defeat makes no difference. Does that mean it is a waste? NO Let us imagine that I get 5th slot but play 100 matches without even using 5 bots. Was it a waste to have 5 bots? NO The reason is simple, although I do tend to play them each in a certain order, I don't always and certainly do not have to. Depending on the map or situation I have more options to choose from. Myself being a solo player, I must keep my options open and be able to adapt to what is happening on the battlefield on the fly. Discussion over......5th slot is by far more important than any single bot you may ever purchase. I don't care if you average only using 3 bots! (That said.....I did get a Gareth and a few various gold weapons before finally committing to that slot. Had I the patience from the beginning I would have waited.) |
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 23, 2017 22:37:11 GMT -5
Then again, if you're running a hangar filled with all identical bots, then a 5th slot does become more about longevity and not adaptability.
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Post by greyhawk on Feb 24, 2017 11:16:25 GMT -5
You want a top tier hangar... You can’t handle a top tier hangar! …Son, we live in a world that has beacons, and those beacons have to be guarded by bots with plasma guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for baby seals, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That those seals' deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that beacon, you need me on that beacon. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and drop a bot on the battlefield. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Dejnov 10 minutes standing ovation for that post! |
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Post by bmc on Feb 25, 2017 1:24:34 GMT -5
Buy the house and lot first before the ferrari.
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Post by RΛИDØM on Feb 25, 2017 1:44:13 GMT -5
5th slot every time - that's what I did and I didn't regret it.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 25, 2017 10:36:50 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority for thinking this way, but...
Spending a little gold on some orkans or maybe a Galahad or Gareth before opening the 5th slot can make the grind for the 5th slot a lot more enjoyable.
I will NOT dispute the importance of the 5th slot. Total game changer, no doubt.
However, I totally bought a couple of Orkans and 2 Galahads before my 5th slot. Looking back, I don't regret it at all. (Although, 1 Galahad would have sufficed. I got greedy.)
I'm currently only running one Ag weapon (Thunder), and it takes a lot of time to upgrade an entire arsenal. I don't think it's a bad idea to start upgrading a pair of Orkans ASAP so you can remain competitive and have more fun while grinding out that 5k Au.
Also, if you're a grown-up with a job, you only have to grind up to 3800 Au, then drop ten bucks to speed up the process.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 25, 2017 10:45:28 GMT -5
Spending a little gold on some orkans or maybe a Galahad or Gareth before opening the 5th slot can make the grind for the 5th slot a lot more enjoyable. I will NOT dispute the importance of the 5th slot. Total game changer, no doubt. Yea, I definitely did the same. Some weapons I barely used even! I think I got a Gekko only to find it a waste and then get another one because for some reason I figured if one sucked, then two would make it awesome! However, I don't regret the Orkans or Gareth which I purchased. I would say 4th slot, a couple weapons or a cheaper gold bot like gareth to help get beacons, then 5th slot! .....but always keep that 5th slot close in your mind. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 25, 2017 10:58:56 GMT -5
Buy the fifth otherwise you'll Keep on losing to a Natasha GECKO MAG TREB even though you had decent power bar advantage and :58 on the clock....your team mates probably thought a 5th slot was a 「dookie」 idea as well  |
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Post by bmc on Mar 2, 2017 7:20:30 GMT -5
I posted the same thread awhile back, and like here everyone said 5th slot. Not easy saving up for an empty lot as opposed to a shiny robot, but it was worth it because some battles were won because I had one last bot in the hangar.
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